"Mostly" is the key word in your post. Morality cannot be defined as a list of do's and dont's that are mechanically obeyed precisely because it has a myriad of "edge cases" that require human interpretation. Many situations don't even have a 'right' answer and what is morally correct will depend on the person(s) interpreting the rules.
Also notice that when the zeroth law was added it just made matters worse because more laws allow for more contradictions, loopholes, and paradoxes, exactly like the evolved tax code of any nation you care to name.
Although there have been threats to do so, this isn't happening in Oz any day soon, the court specifically warned the MAFFIA not to use US style extortion letters. Any letters they send must be pre-approved by the court. If they do it now they WILL be held in contempt and possibly disbarred for abuse of process.
Old fart Aussie software dev here, as recently as the early 90's Australia (and the US/UK) considered encryption techniques to be a "munition" for export purposes, it was illegal to export anything stronger than 48bit. Then some bloke put out some OSS called PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), he had stayed within the regulations by using something like #define BITLEN 48, but also given the world an algorithm that could be trivially changed to any arbitrary length and re-compiled. This created a legal paradox that drove the customs people nuts, there was a huge fuss about it at the time but eventually the various governments realised the regulations were unenforceable and dropped/ignored them.
Aussies made a huge mistake at the last election. This mob have managed to politically unite Aussies (against them) in a way I haven't witnessed since the downfall of Gough Whitlam (IMO - due to GW's "sore loser" re-election campaign). Trust us, we have mandatory voting and will boot this embarrassing mob out the first chance we get. There isn't a sector of Aussie society they haven't upset in the past year alone, the only chance the conservatives have of winning is if they put Turnbull back in charge and allow him to purge the "tea party" types from the current cabinet, they have way to much power for the tiny slice of Aussie society that they represent.
That's an excellent point, under the current rules in Oz, Uber and it's drivers should be classified and regulated the same as any other limousine service. All dispatcher services (including Uber) should be treated like the current taxi dispatchers, that is have their feet held to the fire if they fail to ensure they are supplying a licensed and insured driver whose vehicle meets mandated standards.
Ex taxi driver here. - When things go really bad what recourse do you have against the driver other than posting a bad review on Uber? How do you propose to force bad drivers out of the industry when you have torn up the rule book? Are you suggesting we simply hand the taxi industry to Uber on a silver platter secure in the knowledge they will police themselves - because freedom?
There are good (and bad) historical reasons for the constraint but that is irrelevant to the ideology you have espoused. Let's take my home town of Melbourne as an example, there are 10,000 medallions (or "plates" as they are known here), that $5B in small business assets that will become worthless overnight if we follow the ideological path your suggesting. I doubt Uber are willing to cough up $5B in compensation for the taxi owners of Melbourne, my guess is they are expecting the government to fund the inevitable plate buy-back that would accompany dropping the requirement for medallions.
BTW: A "market" is a set of rules (artificial constraints) that govern trade, (eg:property law). A "free market" is one that is open to all. Therefore the highly regulated taxi industry is a "free market" in the original sense of the term.
Whatever the reason, simply dropping the requirement for a medallion (where it already exists) means you are deliberately screwing people who have paid as much as a house to own one, worked for decades to pay it off, and plan to sell it to fund their retirement. Changing the medallion rules to suit Uber's business model means bankruptcy is a certainty for a lot a very hard working small business folk, or (more likely) a huge compensation bill for the city/state.
In other words, if you change the market rules by removing medallions from where they already exist, everyone loses except Uber. Fine if Uber were offering some massive social benefit that outweighed those costs, but it's not, it's just a bunch of dodgy cheap-labour capitalists running a dispatch center "on the internet".
All theories are rubbish until tested. There is no such thing as "proof" in Science, never has been, never will be. That's actually why Science is by far the best method we have found to describe and predict the behaviour of the universe.
Agreed, some people in this thread seem to equate "immoral" with "annoying". Advertising is simply a glorified way of shouting "hey, look at this" for personal gain, annoying but harmless. False advertising is simply lying for personal gain and clearly immoral.
My 35yo son recently sent me a clip of some god awful "rap artist" singing "Windmills of my mind" and asked me to listen to the lyrics, I sent him back the Dusty Springfield original so he could hear them.
Division bell from the early 90's - let's face it Pink Floyd just keep getting better, even when they are not together as a band. Floyd and the Beetles were unusual in that they both had two musical geniuses writing their stuff, most other bands consider themselves lucky to have one.
Soot (and dust) is a factor in AGW. It speeds up melting, or deposits the heat it absorbs when airborne into the ocean. Dust is thought to be a +ve feedback, more heat leads to more dust, which in turn leads to faster warming.
Market-based solutions, by definition, do not require government intervention.
An economic market is not a place or a thing, it's a set of rules that govern trade (eg: property law).
Forget what you have been taught by Fox news and think about it for two seconds, how is a market even possible without property law?
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"Mostly" is the key word in your post. Morality cannot be defined as a list of do's and dont's that are mechanically obeyed precisely because it has a myriad of "edge cases" that require human interpretation. Many situations don't even have a 'right' answer and what is morally correct will depend on the person(s) interpreting the rules.
Also notice that when the zeroth law was added it just made matters worse because more laws allow for more contradictions, loopholes, and paradoxes, exactly like the evolved tax code of any nation you care to name.
Asimov's three laws are a metaphor that says you can't codify morality, AI is the vehicle he used to make that point.
Now, if only they could take care of the things they have in common before tackling the things they don't
Politics is all about points of difference, no matter how trivial, without those points of differences there would be no need for politics.
As a foreigner I believe that is the way it was intended, a president (any president) can veto a bill but they can't dictate what the bill contains.
We used to call it "the hot seat" back in the 70's, there was no such thing as 'suspension', you were either punished or expelled.
extracting "settlements" from random people
Although there have been threats to do so, this isn't happening in Oz any day soon, the court specifically warned the MAFFIA not to use US style extortion letters. Any letters they send must be pre-approved by the court. If they do it now they WILL be held in contempt and possibly disbarred for abuse of process.
Old fart Aussie software dev here, as recently as the early 90's Australia (and the US/UK) considered encryption techniques to be a "munition" for export purposes, it was illegal to export anything stronger than 48bit. Then some bloke put out some OSS called PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), he had stayed within the regulations by using something like #define BITLEN 48, but also given the world an algorithm that could be trivially changed to any arbitrary length and re-compiled. This created a legal paradox that drove the customs people nuts, there was a huge fuss about it at the time but eventually the various governments realised the regulations were unenforceable and dropped/ignored them.
Aussies made a huge mistake at the last election. This mob have managed to politically unite Aussies (against them) in a way I haven't witnessed since the downfall of Gough Whitlam (IMO - due to GW's "sore loser" re-election campaign). Trust us, we have mandatory voting and will boot this embarrassing mob out the first chance we get. There isn't a sector of Aussie society they haven't upset in the past year alone, the only chance the conservatives have of winning is if they put Turnbull back in charge and allow him to purge the "tea party" types from the current cabinet, they have way to much power for the tiny slice of Aussie society that they represent.
That's an excellent point, under the current rules in Oz, Uber and it's drivers should be classified and regulated the same as any other limousine service. All dispatcher services (including Uber) should be treated like the current taxi dispatchers, that is have their feet held to the fire if they fail to ensure they are supplying a licensed and insured driver whose vehicle meets mandated standards.
Ex taxi driver here. - When things go really bad what recourse do you have against the driver other than posting a bad review on Uber? How do you propose to force bad drivers out of the industry when you have torn up the rule book? Are you suggesting we simply hand the taxi industry to Uber on a silver platter secure in the knowledge they will police themselves - because freedom?
There are good (and bad) historical reasons for the constraint but that is irrelevant to the ideology you have espoused. Let's take my home town of Melbourne as an example, there are 10,000 medallions (or "plates" as they are known here), that $5B in small business assets that will become worthless overnight if we follow the ideological path your suggesting. I doubt Uber are willing to cough up $5B in compensation for the taxi owners of Melbourne, my guess is they are expecting the government to fund the inevitable plate buy-back that would accompany dropping the requirement for medallions.
BTW: A "market" is a set of rules (artificial constraints) that govern trade, (eg:property law). A "free market" is one that is open to all. Therefore the highly regulated taxi industry is a "free market" in the original sense of the term.
Whatever the reason, simply dropping the requirement for a medallion (where it already exists) means you are deliberately screwing people who have paid as much as a house to own one, worked for decades to pay it off, and plan to sell it to fund their retirement. Changing the medallion rules to suit Uber's business model means bankruptcy is a certainty for a lot a very hard working small business folk, or (more likely) a huge compensation bill for the city/state.
In other words, if you change the market rules by removing medallions from where they already exist, everyone loses except Uber. Fine if Uber were offering some massive social benefit that outweighed those costs, but it's not, it's just a bunch of dodgy cheap-labour capitalists running a dispatch center "on the internet".
not proven fact
All theories are rubbish until tested. There is no such thing as "proof" in Science, never has been, never will be. That's actually why Science is by far the best method we have found to describe and predict the behaviour of the universe.
The relativity of wrong.
Agreed, some people in this thread seem to equate "immoral" with "annoying". Advertising is simply a glorified way of shouting "hey, look at this" for personal gain, annoying but harmless. False advertising is simply lying for personal gain and clearly immoral.
Somebody stole your willpower?
All good music is popular but not all popular music is good.
My 35yo son recently sent me a clip of some god awful "rap artist" singing "Windmills of my mind" and asked me to listen to the lyrics, I sent him back the Dusty Springfield original so he could hear them.
Division bell from the early 90's - let's face it Pink Floyd just keep getting better, even when they are not together as a band. Floyd and the Beetles were unusual in that they both had two musical geniuses writing their stuff, most other bands consider themselves lucky to have one.
The global warming religious crowed needs to come to the realization that the earth IS affected by the sun
Whoever told you what the "crowed" thinks, was lying to you.
Soot (and dust) is a factor in AGW. It speeds up melting, or deposits the heat it absorbs when airborne into the ocean. Dust is thought to be a +ve feedback, more heat leads to more dust, which in turn leads to faster warming.
Even barter assumes that some form of property law exists.
Market-based solutions, by definition, do not require government intervention.
An economic market is not a place or a thing, it's a set of rules that govern trade (eg: property law). Forget what you have been taught by Fox news and think about it for two seconds, how is a market even possible without property law?
Look up "n-body" problem for gravity, earthquakes are unpredictable for similar reasons.
described by a finite number of laws
So where did that finite set of physical laws come from? - The incompleteness theorem is a mathematical description of the question "who created god".
"Self consistent" is not the same as "complete".