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What Happens To Our Musical Taste As We Age?

An anonymous reader writes: New research from Spotify and Echo Nest reveals that people start off listening to chart-topping pop music and branch off into all kinds of territory in their teens and early 20s, before their musical tastes start to calcify and become more rigid by their mid-30s. "Men, it turns out, give up popular music much more quickly than women. Men and women have similar musical listening tendencies through their teens, but men start shunning mainstream artists much sooner than women and to a greater degree."

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  1. I know that happened to me. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As I sit here with "The Who" playing on my MP3 player.

    1. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have an mp3 player?

      You /are/ old.

    2. Re:I know that happened to me. by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      The Who can only be appreciated on cassette.

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    3. Re:I know that happened to me. by gweihir · · Score: 4, Informative

      MP3 players are superior in several ways to smart-phones. I just bought a new one. Sansa Clip+, excellent device, almost unchanged in the last 10 years, just larger memory. Can be clipped to T-shirt or jogging-pants, is entirely unimpressed by being dropped even on a hard floor, very light, long battery life, excellent sound quality.

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    4. Re:I know that happened to me. by genghisjahn · · Score: 2

      Copied from a friend's cassette..

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    5. Re:I know that happened to me. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Copied from a friend's cassette..

      You're confusing The Who with The Grateful Dead.

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    6. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would The Who be confounded by The Grateful Dead?

    7. Re:I know that happened to me. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Yes. It's an app on my phone.

    8. Re:I know that happened to me. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Where do you think I got my MP3 from?

    9. Re:I know that happened to me. by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Why would The Who be confounded by The Grateful Dead?

      The Grateful Dead encouraged their fans to copy and share their music when they didn't have recording contracts.

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    10. Re:I know that happened to me. by Coren22 · · Score: 2

      As did Metallica until they became big, then it was the evil fans stealing from their pockets...

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    11. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't Reddit.

      That construct might be piss-your-pants funny there but it simply isn't here.

    12. Re:I know that happened to me. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      "What has it got in it's pocketsss...? " (Lars Ulrich)

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    13. Re:I know that happened to me. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      MP3 players are superior in several ways to smart-phones. I just bought a new one. Sansa Clip+, excellent device, almost unchanged in the last 10 years, just larger memory. Can be clipped to T-shirt or jogging-pants, is entirely unimpressed by being dropped even on a hard floor, very light, long battery life, excellent sound quality.

      I use the same player -- it works great with Rockbox

      I used to play through my phone and/or computer and then would sometimes forget I was tethered by the headphone cord and walk away and either end up pulling my phone off the desk onto the floor, or dragging my laptop across the desk, knocking stuff off on the floor. The Sansa battery only lasts a couple hours now, so I keep it plugged in with a short USB cable, if yank it with the headphone cord, the USB plug slips out.

      I used a bluetooth headset for a while, but got tired of keeping it charged (since keeping it plugged in while in-use doesn't work), with regular headphones I know that every time I plug them in, they are ready to go all day long.

    14. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      MP3 players are superior in several ways to smart-phones. I just bought a new one. Sansa Clip+, excellent device, almost unchanged in the last 10 years, just larger memory. Can be clipped to T-shirt or jogging-pants, is entirely unimpressed by being dropped even on a hard floor, very light, long battery life, excellent sound quality.

      Similar reasons that smart people still have a regular camera for when they need to take lots of pictures (such as on vacation.) If my girlfriend does it with her smartphone the battery will be dead within a couple hours (or less if doing video) while meanwhile the camera can go all day (or multiple days) and the batteries can easily be swapped out rather than waiting for it to recharge.

      Some jobs still need the proper tool, not a swiss army knife that does everything mediocrely.

    15. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might have heard of this product.

      While it has no wireless, less space than a Nomad, and come consider it lame, the kids seem to like it.

    16. Re:I know that happened to me. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the kids liked it 10 years ago but who still uses a dedicated player when you can have it all on your phone? Hell, even I (a committed technophobe) gave up on the dedicated player a long time ag.

    17. Re:I know that happened to me. by kyubre · · Score: 1

      I recently went to replace my Sansa Clip from several years ago after I'd broken the clip through careless handling (while wearing motorcycle winter gloves). I also had tried a variety of replacement strategies and found none to be as all around functional as the old Sansa. After a bit of shopping and what not, I was floored that no one had made anything _better_ than the Sansa. Some where close, but skipped the FM radio functionality. So now after 5 years, I'm on my second Sansa. Might just go ahead and order another one while I still can!

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    18. Re:I know that happened to me. by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      a committed technophobe

      You really aren't much of a technophobe if you own a smartphone, now are you? Not that there's anything wrong with that, just saying.

    19. Re:I know that happened to me. by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I played with some old Sansa and got Rockbox running on it a few years ago... just when I was got it all set up and was about to start using it regularly, it somehow bricked itself. Never really bothered trying to replace it, since I think it was a gift and music worked fine from my Palm T|X or whatever I had at the time anyway

    20. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copied from a friend's cassette..

      I'm old enough it could be from 8-track, or even reel-to-reel tape. :P

    21. Re:I know that happened to me. by riverat1 · · Score: 2

      The Who can only be appreciated on cassette.

      The Who were best appreciated live.

    22. Re:I know that happened to me. by gigne · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the kids liked it 10 years ago but who still uses a dedicated player when you can have it all on your phone? Hell, even I (a committed technophobe) gave up on the dedicated player a long time ag.

      Presumably the battery ran out on your phone?

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    23. Re:I know that happened to me. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Thats the best value player still. Phones are a PITA listening even on a plane. Just too big.

    24. Re:I know that happened to me. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      The Who were best appreciated live.

      Just recently saw somewhere an original "live at leeds" LP for sale. Was tempted but I just can't see getting into an LP collection. But if you can't see em Live, then Quadrophenia ain't a bad way to go.

    25. Re:I know that happened to me. by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. You can't even see Townshend's guitar windmills on tape. Lame.

    26. Re:I know that happened to me. by youngone · · Score: 1

      I checked out Rockbox, because I'm keen on custom firmwares, but seriously? Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players...Creative: Zen Mozaic... Haven't even got it working on this 7 year old player yet? Mind you I have got a 1st gen iPod, I might give it a try...

    27. Re:I know that happened to me. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      iGadgets make you use iTunes and do that "sync" bullshit, instead of just copying the goddamn files, like you'd do with any sensibly designed device.

    28. Re:I know that happened to me. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      MP3 players are superior in several ways to smart-phones. I just bought a new one. Sansa Clip+, excellent device, almost unchanged in the last 10 years, just larger memory. Can be clipped to T-shirt or jogging-pants, is entirely unimpressed by being dropped even on a hard floor, very light, long battery life, excellent sound quality.

      This.

      The problem you've got is the fact that most people think the "best" MP3 player is the Ipod when it is in fact, one of the worst. Smart phones tend to use the cheapest audio components they can get away with because its not the primary use of the device, people are happy to compromise on quality or simply dont know any better. As long as it works well enough people wont care. With dedicated MP3 players the audio components are the entire reason for the device, I went from an Ipod to a Creative Zen many many years ago and it was like chalk and cheese. After the Zen carked it, I bought a Cowon which was another step up.

      I haven't bought a new MP3 player in 5 years, but I also dont use my phone for music. If I did I would buy a new MP3 player.

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    29. Re:I know that happened to me. by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Funny

      If my girlfriend does it with her smartphone the battery will be dead within a couple hours

      Well yeah, obviously the vibrate feature is going to drain the battery pretty quickly. How long does it last when she uses the camera though?

    30. Re:I know that happened to me. by russbutton · · Score: 1

      Old? Having an mp3 player makes you old? Hee, hee. That's funny!

      I run a Linn LP-12 turntable (serial #1956) which is 44 years old. It's in tip-top shape. I have a Rega RB-300 arm and a Denon DL-110 cartridge. I run that into a tube preamp (http://www.tubes4hifi.com) which feeds an active crossover for the Linkwitz Orion loudspeaker system. I use an Ubuntu laptop with the Banshee music player for my digital source into a Peachtree DAC. Decent grade, but nothing special Parts Express interconnects and 14 gauge zip cord speaker wire. Everyone who hears my system leaves with envy.

      *All* headphones suck compared to what I listen to at home. I don't care if you're listening to an mp3 player, a iPhone or what headphone amp you're running it through. It all sucks in comparison. If you want something that actually sounds good AND is affordable for the Common Man, point your browser at:

      http://www.linkwitzlab.com/

    31. Re:I know that happened to me. by hawguy · · Score: 2

      I checked out Rockbox, because I'm keen on custom firmwares, but seriously?
      Work has begun on porting Rockbox to these players...Creative: Zen Mozaic...
      Haven't even got it working on this 7 year old player yet?
      Mind you I have got a 1st gen iPod, I might give it a try...

      Given that they have to reverse engineer every platform they support, there aren't a whole lot of new MP3 players on the market these days, and more modern devices that have a single SoC that does everything are a lot harder to reverse engineer than older systems where there were more discrete components, it's not really surprising that they don't support more modern devices.

      But even a 7 year old device still makes a fine mp3 player.

    32. Re:I know that happened to me. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Nice amp setup, but don't you have a CD player yet?

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    33. Re:I know that happened to me. by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The difference in listening to music as you age, first you buy the marketing and believe you a listening to rebellion and 'your' music and then as you age, you are just listening to your memories, which the shit heads are just trying to sell to you over and over and over again, basically stealing your memories and demanding a ransom to sell the back.

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    34. Re:I know that happened to me. by russbutton · · Score: 1

      I still have a CD player. The Peachtree DAC has USB and optical inputs. But since I've ripped all of my CDs to disk, the CD player gets little use.

      I also do location recording of chamber music, so I use the laptop to my editing. I typically burn CD copies of the remastered recordings for the musicians and will check them on the CD player just to make sure everything is right.

    35. Re: I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A camera taking pictures all day or multiple days without recharging? Lol. Most batteries are rated 300 shots, maximum. Even less if burst shot, flash or video are used. Wifi and in-camera picture viewing/deleting will drain your battery even faster. I prefer using a dedicated camera myself but it's mainly for the flexibility. Your arguments are pointless and you probably fantasize about blowing up an orphanage.

    36. Re:I know that happened to me. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Well, as might as well asked this here: I'm looking for a very simple mp3 player for a small kid. Only requirements are: no more than a few (real) buttons (play, stop, next), and an integrated speaker. There used to be walkmen with speakers, but I've been unable to find a small mp3 player with one (or they are full on boomboxes).

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    37. Re:I know that happened to me. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Get Live at Leeds on one of the remastered CDs. You can get the whole concert now, or the whole concert sans Tommy, which still includes lots of stuff the LP didn't.

      And they were phenomenal: Roger on lead vocals, John on lead bass, Keith on lead drums, and Pete on precussion guitar.

      By the time I was old enough to hear them live they had keyboards, a horn section, and doo-wop girls. Not the same thing at all.

      Apropos the top post, I've put on The Who in the last 24 hours, but I've also put on some Medieval and Renaissance music. I still listen to my teenage faves, but my tastes have expanded a lot too.

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    38. Re: I know that happened to me. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      I'm not buying anything "engineered for maximum funness". Now get off my lawn.

    39. Re: I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My aging Nikon D70 works for weeks on a single charge, thousands of shots. Flash? That has its own set of batteries. The built-in bulb is crap so I only use that as a trigger.

    40. Re:I know that happened to me. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The mainstream customer is stupid and cannot identify superior solutions. Old story.

      I am just happy that Sandisk and others sell enough of these that keeping them in production is worthwhile. There really is no reason to develop them any further, these things are finished and good at what they do.

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    41. Re:I know that happened to me. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      In defense of Swiss Army Knives, they are not intended as replacement for proper tools, they are intended as practical, compact tool-set when proper tools are not available, such as in unexpected situations and in emergencies. For that, they are doing an excellent job (if you have the right model). I carry around a "Cybertool" and it has come in handy very often.

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    42. Re: I know that happened to me. by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Bah, historic technology. You are supposed to not have long battery life these days! Otherwise you are not having the newest and best! Just look at the "smart"-watches Apple is currently making a fortune with. And you can get it gold-plated too! Surely, that is better than a complete side-issue like battery-life? Maybe you do not have the money to but something better?

      Hehehehehe, the fascinating thing is that in a society where people are supposedly skilled with technology, people that actually understand what they are doing almost universally use non-mainstream tech and quite often older tech as well.

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    43. Re:I know that happened to me. by Shirley+Marquez · · Score: 1

      MP3 players are a mature market. There isn't much in the way of new features to add to them so there is little point to developing new models. But it is profitable to continue to produce the old ones. SanDisk isn't spending R&D money on the Sansa, but they will continue making them so long as people keep buying. Apple had a long run with the iPod Classic as a cash cow; they only discontinued it because some key parts (notably the tiny hard disk drive) were no longer available.

    44. Re: I know that happened to me. by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

      They don't "make you". It's just the default recommended way. There are other ways to load and manage music on your iOS devices. I don't even have iTunes and have no problems loading Music, Books, and Videos onto my devices.

    45. Re: I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why?

    46. Re:I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Who are rubbish

    47. Re:I know that happened to me. by pweidema · · Score: 1

      Try the sweet pea 3 mp3 player (available from Amazon). Great for kids 7 and under, and my 5 yr old grandson loves his sister's old one (7 yrs old and still fine!).

    48. Re:I know that happened to me. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Thanks, yes something like that. But the comments on amazon are abysmal ! And they talk about iTunes which I don't use and they don't say if you can load it in Mass Storage mode or mtp or what ?

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  2. New bands? by McGruber · · Score: 4, Funny

    Why do you need new bands? Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974. It's a scientific fact.

    1. Re:New bands? by Whiteox · · Score: 2

      You mean Disco don't you?

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    2. Re:New bands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, the kids that now post on /. don't get the reference.

    3. Re:New bands? by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Death before disco!

    4. Re:New bands? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      House, Jungle, Trance etc etc.

      It's all disco and it all sucks.

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    5. Re:New bands? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      May I make that 1979? I've long held the theory that Rock n' Roll reached its logical conclusion in 1979 when Pink Floyd released "The Wall." There was nowhere to go after that.

      This adequately explains, for example, the emergence of rap and hip-hop in recent years, which are distinguished from prior popular music by the explicit absence of singing. It also explains why the current generation embraces the music of their parents, a.k.a "Classic Rock", rather than rejecting it - as did every prior generation. (Remember when your parents' music used to sound "old fashioned" or "corny?")

      That said, I've come to appreciate music from the 1920s - 1950s, which predates me by a generation or two. Oh, and of course, there's also Classic Classical. That goes back several generations further.

      I wouldn't state all this as a scientific fact, though - it's more of a theory.

    6. Re:New bands? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      While Rush started in 1974, I think perfection was more like later albums such as 2112. They did go on to achieve perfection though :-)

    7. Re: New bands? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      He means Judas Priest's first album, Rocka Rolla.

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    8. Re:New bands? by kencurry · · Score: 2

      I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan, saw "the wall" in concert in LA (1980 i think it was); but no way that was their peak. "Dark Side of the Moon" was their Zenith; even egomaniac Ian Anderson from Jethro Tull said it was more influential than Zeppelin II .

      Back on topic, I think most adults gravitate to the music they listened to when they were younger; for obvious reasons. No need for the snarky "calcify" comment from the submitter.

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    9. Re:New bands? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I hate The Wall. It's because my college roommate would play it in the early hours of the morning non-stop while I was trying to sleep. It may be good music, but I never liked traditional rock, and combined with the negative associations I just don't want anything to do with that album.

    10. Re:New bands? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 2

      Actually, I'm not arguing that "The Wall" was their peak, simply that there was nowhere to go afterwards. I agree with you that "Dark Side of the Moon" was better or maybe more groundbreaking in some ways. Still, it's like asking which one of your children you love the most: you love them all, each for what are, even though they're all different.

      My point on The Wall was simply that there wasn't anyway to expand the scale what had been done in Rock n' Roll. It kept a coherent theme album going for two whole records. I'm not sure anybody has done that before or since. I guess you could do that for three or four records, but AFAIK, nobody has tried.

      The only thing to do, then, was to keep doing variations on the same, or to switch to a new genre. We've seen both. I'm not saying that everything that's been done in Rock n' Roll since The Wall lacks value, just that there was no way to take Rock n' Roll genuinely further. Thus, its decline.

      Then again, you're hearing that from an old guy. What are these young kids thinkin' nowadays?

    11. Re:New bands? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That said, I've come to appreciate music from the 1920s - 1950s, which predates me by a generation or two. Oh, and of course, there's also Classic Classical. That goes back several generations further.

      Actually, Classical music, while nice and relaxing to listen to at times, also frequently bores me. For pre-20th-century music, Classical is just too new for me, and I prefer Baroque. The songs are more interesting and complex, and I like the harpsichord a lot.

    12. Re:New bands? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      It also explains why the current generation embraces the music of their parents, a.k.a "Classic Rock", rather than rejecting it - as did every prior generation. (Remember when your parents' music used to sound "old fashioned" or "corny?")

      I think this is an extremely important point, and something these theorists have ignored. I've been to a bunch of classic rock concerts in the last 6 years or so, and it's really struck me how wide an age range I see in the audience. I see middle-aged parents with their teenaged kids there frequently, watching bands like Styx and Foreigner. This is simply something you would never have seen in the 70s or 80s: teenagers then had zero interest in music from the 50s. I sure as hell never saw anything like this when I was younger and going to concerts in the 90s. But these days we've had Guitar Hero and lots of kids getting into this music; things are really different, and I think a lot of it is changes in the music industry since the rise of the internet. The subject I believe is far more complex than some theories about peoples' tastes changing as they age.

    13. Re:New bands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a big Floyd fan but The Wall pretty much sucks a dog's dick. It's not prog and the only "concept" behind it is Waters bitterness over being a dildo who didn't know when to stop trying to shove himself up peoples' assholes.

    14. Re:New bands? by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

      Coincidentally, just before I read this, I played "Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da" in a Baroque style using the harpsichord voice of my electronic piano. If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it.

      Then again, I also played it in a ragtime style using the "honky tonk piano" voice. It ain't exactly the Mrs. Mills piano, but it's what I've got.

    15. Re:New bands? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Ludvig! Turn that crap down!

    16. Re:New bands? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Division bell from the early 90's - let's face it Pink Floyd just keep getting better, even when they are not together as a band. Floyd and the Beetles were unusual in that they both had two musical geniuses writing their stuff, most other bands consider themselves lucky to have one.

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    17. Re: New bands? by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

      He means Judas Priest's first album, Rocka Rolla.

      Everyone knows their second album was their best.

    18. Re:New bands? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      It's all awesome to me, but yes - it's all disco.

    19. Re:New bands? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Division Bell is a hit and miss for me personally. Half of it is awesome, the other half boring. On DSOTM every song is excellent.

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    20. Re:New bands? by junkgoof · · Score: 1

      You think the current generation embraces older music? Kids are humoring you, maybe? Or kids have better taste in your area?

      The pre-teens I know through my kid don't voluntarily listen to anything pre-2008 or so and prefer the new star wars stuff. She and most of her friends can't deal with music that isn't electronically altered to keep the singer on key.

      I like my kid and many/most of her friends but they pretty much universally prefer the top 100 stuff on the radio. Still pre-teens, though, so maybe they'll grow out of it.

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    21. Re:New bands? by dave420 · · Score: 1

      It's not, and it doesn't. Maybe to you, but then you are you and not everyone else.

    22. Re:New bands? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You are the one arguing about opinions. At least sib poster accepts that it is all disco.

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    23. Re:New bands? by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      Actually it is bad music. You have my support even if the rest of the neck beards on /. think the sun shines out of da Floyd's arse.

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    24. Re:New bands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da is a crime against humanity

    25. Re:New bands? by SirLordGodfrey · · Score: 1

      yarr harr, ye be wrong matey.

      ALESTORM!

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    26. Re:New bands? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At the year of the famous hurricane cluster? Go Hurricanes!

  3. That's cause we're cooler by rwise2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

    but men start shunning mainstream artists much sooner than women and to a greater degree

    That's cause we're much cooler than women.

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    1. Re:That's cause we're cooler by Falos · · Score: 1

      "What does metabolism have to do with anything? Have Earth's humans changed in the future??"

    2. Re:That's cause we're cooler by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I think it is because the social value of music may be different for men and women. Unless you are in a band, most guys could care less what their friends are listening to and this becomes even more pronounced as you age. Perhaps this is different for women.

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    3. Re:That's cause we're cooler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women follow dance music and celebrities (the ones who are photographed at the Oscars and Grammys) the way men follow sports, it's a point of pride for them to keep up as well as an enjoyable thing to do.

  4. give up implies it has potential. by nimbius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    pop music is 'given up' because it targets a demographic of youth as a branding and marketing driver. Bieber sells the idea of manufactured sex appeal to young women, while angsty pop rock sells the idea of rebellion and individuality through consumption to boys. LMFAO and Pitbull are just clever branded advertising for premium alcoholic spirits and luxury apparel/vehicles. They set a standard outside of childhood that no self-respecting adult would entertain.

    30somethings are a very difficult democraphic to market anything to. Pop themes like true love, freedom, rebellion, and partying fall on the deaf ears of millenials who've seen systemic police corruption and racism as a tool of an increasingly totalitarian state basically wipe the concepts out. Miley Cyrus' magical transformation into some glam rocker didnt shock us because we didnt grow up caring about the moral majority and conservative culture war dogma.

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    1. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pop themes like true love, freedom, rebellion, and partying fall on the deaf ears of millenials who've seen systemic police corruption and racism as a tool of an increasingly totalitarian state basically wipe the concepts out.

      Lol. That's been going on a lot longer than "millenials" have been around.

      I used to listen to Rage Against The Machine. Now I'm a cog in the machine. It was all bullshit anyways.

      As for my demographic, there's no pop music about cubicles, TPS reports, traffic jams, mortgages, diapers, etc.

    2. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Odd you would mention the TPS reports from Office Space while making a post that implies you totally disagreed with the message of that movie.

    3. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *boots-n-cats-n-boots-n-cats*
      teeeeee....
      *dunta dunnununun*
      ...eeeePEEEEE.....
      *DUNDUN DADA DUDUDUN*
      ...EEEEEESSSSSSSS
      *squeedley beedley beeeeeeeeeee~!*
      *stretch note, strike pose, clench teeth, activate pyrotechnics*
      *kill stadium lights*
      *stage monitor slowly returns, displays Reports.*

    4. Re:give up implies it has potential. by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

      30somethings are a very difficult democraphic to market anything to. Pop themes like true love, freedom, rebellion, and partying fall on the deaf ears of millenials who've seen systemic police corruption and racism as a tool of an increasingly totalitarian state basically wipe the concepts out.

      That's why we have punk and heavy metal music... and gangsta rap.

    5. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Coren22 · · Score: 5, Funny

      As for my demographic, there's no pop music about cubicles, TPS reports, traffic jams, mortgages, diapers, etc.

      That would be country.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    6. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, country is about farming.

    7. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V35jvY0u7I

    8. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ENCORE!!!

    9. Re:give up implies it has potential. by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      'The Ultimate Country Song' is definitive.

      Quote: 'I was drunk when my mom got out of prison, and I was driving my pickup truck in the rain...'

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    10. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I am is just another brick in the wall. And I always get my pudding.

      So welcome tot he machine, Mr. Roboto. Perhaps you would like to be a Blue Collar man?

    11. Re:give up implies it has potential. by xfade551 · · Score: 1

      By "pop" music are we talking about the current, popular [adjective] music genre/scene, or are we talking about the mass-market, lip-syncing dancer(s) with canned music written by someone else where the rest of the performing band (if present at all) is faceless? If it's the second, I've always detested that crap, even as an elementary school kid!

    12. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually: "I was drunk the day my mom got out of prison,
                                      and I went to pick her up in the rain.
                                      But before I could get there in my pickup truck,
                                      She got runned over by a damned ol' train."

    13. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to take out my mp3 player and listen to that song..

    14. Re:give up implies it has potential. by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Where does that leave western?

    15. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Punk died in 1979. But not before killing Heavy Metal.

      rap is some of the debris that remains.

    16. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also because we've seen a dozen Miley Cyruses go through the same cycle (establish, reinvent, profit) before her.

    17. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Wait, TPS reports are a thing? I thought they were made up for the cubicle farm classic Office Space.

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      "Nine times out of ten, starting a fire is not the best way to solve the problem." - my wife
    18. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to listen to Rage Against The Machine. Now I'm a cog in the machine. It was all bullshit anyways.

      As for my demographic, there's no pop music about cubicles, TPS reports, traffic jams, mortgages, diapers, etc.

      i always fantasized about creating a hardcore band about this topics (hardcore as biohazard, agnostic front, etc)
      having a kid, work, wife, etc is hard to do it :P

    19. Re:give up implies it has potential. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      there's no pop music about cubicles, TPS reports, traffic jams, mortgages, diapers, etc

      Little Boxes by Pete Seeger.

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    20. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Someone pulls three random letters out of his ass and they were already in use to mean something else? Shocked, shocked I am. I mean what's the probability of that just happening by chance?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    21. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Punk died in 1979. But not before killing Heavy Metal.

      rap is some of the debris that remains.

      Get yer story right, wasn't it boring old Prog Rock that punk allegedly killed?

      (At least, that was the BS they claimed...)

      Punk was a fashion fad, no more, no less.

      (And yes, I've still got a couple of my old Sex Pistols singles)

    22. Re: give up implies it has potential. by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      It's depressing how relevant and topical RATM's lyrics are today.

    23. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The inspiration behind Mike Judge's TPS report:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg5cdZ-Fnpc

      Including the "new cover sheet".

    24. Re:give up implies it has potential. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      How can something from 1999 be inspired by something from 2003? Go away, nutter.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  5. I do not know about _yours_.... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    ... but mine is unchanged. I still like new stuff of a certain style, and that is all I ever liked. I am quite offended by your assumption that your faults would apply to me.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  6. Damn Kids Get Off Mah Lawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Basically, I just went from all loud all the time, to some loud, some of the time.

    I find that my emotional palette has grown more subtle as I get older, and my taste in music has reflected this with greater variety.

    I still like head-banging music, but I have a thing for old fart music, too.

  7. I love this story. by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 1, Interesting

    As a kid born in the early 1980s, I mostly listened to pop.
    In the mid-1990s I started listening to mostly what would then be called "alternative rock".
    In the mid-2000s, I switched to mostly pop.
    In the 2010s, I'm listening to mostly pop and dance music, with a lot of EDM, and some hip-hop. My musical tastes are wider than ever.

    As I post this I'm listening to the last song added to my music library Ariana Grande's "One Last Time".

    1. Re:I love this story. by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      I just don't know how to respond to your post without being a total and utter geezer. Maybe if you explain what you think 'alternative rock' is, I may be able to identify with some of your taste.
      As far as Ariana is concerned, I just can't watch her for too long as she has an unfortunate face. Same with Miley Cyrus. I really don't want her arse in my face. I don't find it enjoyable at all.

      --
      Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
    2. Re:I love this story. by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As far as Ariana is concerned, I just can't watch her for too long

      Might I suggest listening to music instead of watching it? I think you're doing it wrong....

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, yes, you are truly a unique snowflake, the most interesting man this side of the solar system..

    4. Re:I love this story. by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Ahhh.. Never thought of that. Fine. I'll try, but They won't let me as it's video only. Maybe if I shut my eyes I'll appreciate it a little more....

      --
      Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
    5. Re:I love this story. by MtHuurne · · Score: 1

      Maybe if you explain what you think 'alternative rock' is, I may be able to identify with some of your taste.

      In the 90's 'alternative rock' was the term used for several genres that were not quite mainstream but still had a large following (*). The most recognisable would be grunge with bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden, but also rock bands with a somewhat similar sound like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains. Compared to 80's rock, 'alternative rock' was more minimal and less polished.

      (*) The cynical description would be music marketed to the masses that desperately didn't want to be part of the masses. But that's more of a reflection on teenagers and marketing than on the music itself.

    6. Re:I love this story. by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

      Well, for people who don't like that style of pop, I imagine looking at her is more tolerable than listening to her music...

    7. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, by listening to pop, then listening to more pop, you have widened your musical taste to....more pop? You failed to make a point here.

    8. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to post anon, this one is too rich though.

      We'll go backwards - Ariana Grande? Anne Murray, The Carpenters, the Captain and Tenille and Sony and Cher, among many others, are waiting for you. Many many versions of the same shallow uninspired melodies.

      alt rock went through many iterations being defined as something other than rock and roll originally: punk rock, alt(ernative) (rock), new wave, post modern, industrial, etc. Generally using electric guitars and usually confining all their whining in mock angry semi-screaming tones.

    9. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if you explain what you think 'alternative rock' is...

      I don't even know what it is...back when they had "record stores" (or at least many more of them, and they were popular), I remember when they had these sections for "Punk" and "Alternative" music, and you could find Tom Petty in "Alternative". Tom Petty...Alternative...really.

    10. Re:I love this story. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      They are always keeping you down..............

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    11. Re:I love this story. by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Yep. OK. Take me out and shoot me now. I don't want to live anymore.

      (cough cough wheeze) In my day, alternative rock was something like Gong and Faust. I just had to check...

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      Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
    12. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The '90 alternative rock was just pop rebelling against being pop.

      The '90s grunge pop always struck me as 2nd rate Elvis Costello or acoustic Springsteen wanna-bees -- not as good but much louder.

      But many of the same people who were listening to the likes of Prince, Wham and Escape Club in the 80's ended up listening to Nirvana and Pearl Jam in the 90s; but with the addition on many metal-heads.

      Me, I was one of the freaks who was listening to the likes of Springsteen, Berlin, Queen, and The Who.

    13. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and I am VERY tired of the job Id quit and let you do whatever you like but THEY wont me!

    14. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you just throw some disco in there too and round out the field of total shit music that sounds the same?
       
      You're a disgraceful twat.

    15. Re:I love this story. by mjwx · · Score: 1

      As far as Ariana is concerned, I just can't watch her for too long

      Might I suggest listening to music instead of watching it? I think you're doing it wrong....

      I would also suggest listening to music, but Arianne Grande isn't music.

      Its computer generated, mass produced crap.

      They mime their concerts because the song people hear on the radio (or spotify or any other service) is altered post production beyond the dynamic range of the human voice. There is literally no way they can replicate it live. Arianne Grande is no exception and lets face it, the only reason she's popular is because she is easy on the eyes.

      I recently went to a Foo Fighters concert, Dave Grohl screwed up a line in Big Me. That's how you tell if they're faking it or not. Someone can perform a song thousands of times and still make a mistake, when their miming a recording, they never make mistakes. Not that anyone cared that Dave Grohl made a mistake, least of all Dave Grohl, it was still an awesome concert.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    16. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as Ariana is concerned, I just can't watch her for too long

      Might I suggest listening to music instead of watching it? I think you're doing it wrong....

      Man, if you're not watching music, you're not taking enough acid...

    17. Re:I love this story. by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if a recording engineer makes the music or if a singer makes the music. A recording engineer can be as much of an artist as a singer.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    18. Re:I love this story. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when it comes to ariana, i think watching > listening.

    19. Re:I love this story. by theedgeofoblivious · · Score: 1

      Actually, no, I read the fucking article.

      It spoke about how the amount of pop music on men's playlists decreased and leveled off around their mid-30s. That's why I specifically mentioned that my music library has a lot of pop music, and it's why I mentioned Ariana Grande, a current pop singer.

      From around 15 to 25, musical tastes expand quickly, and the share of mainstream music on a listener's playlists decreases before leveling out in the mid-30s.

      I could mention all of the other genres in my music library, but they wouldn't be as relevant to what it actually says in the actual article that I actually read.

    20. Re:I love this story. by byrtolet · · Score: 1

      As a kid born in the early 1980s, I mostly listened to pop. In the mid-1990s I started listening to mostly what would then be called "alternative rock". In the mid-2000s, I switched to mostly pop. In the 2010s, I'm listening to mostly pop and dance music, with a lot of EDM, and some hip-hop. My musical tastes are wider than ever.

      As I post this I'm listening to the last song added to my music library Ariana Grande's "One Last Time".

      You wanted to say that you listen everything on MTV? This is not taste.

    21. Re:I love this story. by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      I'm at least 10 years older and have a lot of EDM and some hip-hop on my phone, but it's still full of "alternative".

      Current Artist's albums on my phone:
      Adele
      Deadmau5
      Daft Punk
      Arctic Monkeys
      Green Day
      Chilli Peppers
      Credence
      Eminem
      Foo FIghters
      Pendulum
      Led Zep
      Pearl Jam
      Nirvana
      Faith No More
      The Offspring
      The Cure
      Scissor Sisters
      INXS

      I'll grant you, there's no Bieber or Swift on there, but that's not because they're popular, it's because they're shit.

      I think it's more about the time to discover new artists that limits older folk's listening habits, not taste. When you're exposed by peers to new artists, they can find their way into your rotation, but if your source of new music is the garbage your tween kids are listening to, then yeah, that's not gonna happen unless you're the kind of sad desperate that acts like their teenage kids in the hopes that you can be bestest friends instead of a parent.

  8. Music peaked with the Ramones by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Really, what more needs to be said?
    Gabba Gabba Hey!

    --
    If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
  9. adults hate kids' music by alen · · Score: 1

    and wish their kids only listened to the good stuff they grew up with. my dad grew up with classic rock and hated 80's metal bands that i listened to. listening to rap around him was likely to get you a beating

    1. Re:adults hate kids' music by Urquhardt · · Score: 1

      Listening to rap around me WILL get you a beating. Stupid Rap Crap.

    2. Re:adults hate kids' music by Coren22 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mixing Country and Rap will get you Crap.

      --
      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    3. Re:adults hate kids' music by phoenix_rizzen · · Score: 1

      and wish their kids only listened to the good stuff they grew up with. my dad grew up with classic rock and hated 80's metal bands that i listened to. listening to rap around him was likely to get you a beating

      "Classic" means "at least 25 years ago". Guess what qualifies as "Classic Rock" now? ;) Yeah, 80s hair bands. :)

      Pretty sure the pre-80s rock can now be classified as "Pre-historic Rock". :)

    4. Re:adults hate kids' music by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Oh how dull. Someone who hates a particular kind of music, and idly threatens violence.

    5. Re:adults hate kids' music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does Classic and Rap give you the Clap?

    6. Re:adults hate kids' music by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      No, dull is someone who doesn't care about quite a few particular kinds of music, and idly threatens to pay a slight amount of attention to it.

    7. Re:adults hate kids' music by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      'Classic Rock' is slave music.

      Really, it's replaced the Slave Music of the 19th century.

      If you've worked enough shit jobs, i.e. in the back of a kitchen somewhere, you know that that same, old, Classic Rock will be playing in the background. You can get laid off today and have to go work that sort of job, and know that the same 'classic rock' you were listening to at a shit job in the back of the kitchen at a resturant will be there for you to wash dishes to today, if you opt for that sort of work.

      I'm pretty convinced that 'Classic Rock' saps the soul out of people and makes them complacent enough to put up with about anything.

    8. Re:adults hate kids' music by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Mixing Country and Rap will get you Crap.

      Mixing Rap and Electronica will get you Rape.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    9. Re:adults hate kids' music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Realistically the worst I expect from you is a sideways glance and a mutter.

      Cities and shops use classical music to aggravate hoodlums, loiterers and make them leave their premises.

  10. 20s? by nealric · · Score: 1

    Who still affirmatively listens to chart-topping music in their 20s? I started listening to chart-topping music around 4th grade. I decided it was mostly garbage by 7th grade. Now, don't "listen" to chart-topping music so much as I am assaulted by it when in public places.

    1. Re:20s? by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      Mostly chart music is rubbish, sure. But there are always gems in there, and it's worth listening to for that reason.

      Having it incessantly played in stores is another thing altogether though. That is annoying, and when Christmas rolls around it's next to impossible to stay in the store for ten minutes at a time.

    2. Re:20s? by nealric · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and most garbage dumps also probably have gems in them somewhere, but you don't see me rifling through them.

    3. Re:20s? by sonicmerlin · · Score: 1

      *raises hand* I still like pop. I don't have super varied tastes.

  11. Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One day you'll learn, youngsters.

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    I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    1. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cigars are disgusting (as are cigarettes).

    2. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      No more so than your pathetic whining.

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    3. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in my day, it was marijuana, margaritas, and Metallica. Times change, eh?

    4. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take two out of three

    5. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      two out of three ain't bad.

      But I'll take Sid over Sinarta any day.

    6. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      I can go with that.

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    7. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Sid claimed that Sinatra was the original punk.

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    8. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      Did you know that youngsters don't so much smoke weed any more? They vape. WTF?

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    9. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sid was a manufactured punk.

    10. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see Sid claiming that. But Sid was also a naive idiot. An entertaining and amusing idiot; but still an idiot.

    11. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto Sinatra and, with a very few exceptions, Scotch.

      Of course if you smoke cigars you don't notice the foulness of most scotches, and between the smoke and the alcohol your hearing is probably damaged enough to appreciate Sinatra.

      Well, unless you meant Nancy Sinatra. Nice boots!

    12. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're proof of what's wrong with the study. The environment shapes how those tastes "evolve".
      You might say Sinatra, but I'm slowly approaching my mid 30s and find new bands/genres all the time. The internet, is one of the reasons, which IS part of my, and most people's environment.

    13. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      True.

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    14. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by gatkinso · · Score: 1

      If you haven't listened to an artist before, then it is new (to you) music.

      Young people... always missing the obvious.

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      I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
    15. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm 57 and my musical tastes have shifted to stuff that was made before I was born.

    16. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by swamp+boy · · Score: 2

      I hope I never age past this state. The very idea of Lawrence Welk, pre-chewed food, and bingo every week makes me ill.

    17. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      So you're saying you hope you die before you get old?

      You don't want to one day look like this?

    18. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Sinatra didn't have the class to die young like Sid did, though.

    19. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sparks, smoke and ozone - that is why I am now building a new thermionic valve amplifier. It is the only way to really appreciate old rock music.

    20. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by MeesterCat · · Score: 1

      Replace Sinatra with Tom Waits and I'll agree.

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      "I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different." ~ Kurt Vonnegut Jnr.
    21. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by T.E.D. · · Score: 2

      You can accomplish nearly the same thing quicker and cheaper with car exhaust, rubbing alcohol, and that ranting homeless guy who lives in the park.

    22. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One day you'll learn, youngsters.

      Sinatra is over-rated on all levels. He is a mediocre singer at best, and a worse actor. Dean Martin has way more talent and range than Sinatra's monotone ever did. Sammy Davis Jr. was better too. Hell, even his daughter Nancy is better than him. I'm glad that mobster wanna be is gone.

    23. Re:Cigars, Scotch, and Sinatra by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Actually on a purely technical level he was one of the outstanding vocalists of all time - opera singers admired his skill, if that impresses. I think he was a great singer in his early days but lose interest at a certain point, when the Rat Pack came along perhaps - after reading the His Way unauthorized biography it's hard to enjoy his music knowing what an insufferable dickhead he was, and the massive ego seems to seep into his vocals as well. Likewise he was an excellent actor at first, really, but he churned out reams of junk later on, too.

  12. Kids! Lawn! Off! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Circle of life, dude, circle of life.

    1. Re:Kids! Lawn! Off! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Yoda getting old too?

  13. Went to classical myself by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Used to listen to rock and metal but I acquired tinnitus several years ago racing motorcycles. Listening to anything else is painful, but I have also really grown to appreciate classical for it's own merits. There is something amazing about music written almost 300 years ago that is still moving and relevant.

    An example would be Bach's paritas and sonatas for violin which are still considered to be an apex in music.

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    love is just extroverted narcissism
    1. Re:Went to classical myself by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think older music (including classical) benefits from a survivor bias: the bad stuff has been forgotten, leaving only the good stuff.

      The same thing will happen to the music we knew as kids, and the music we hear from pop artists today.

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      If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
    2. Re:Went to classical myself by avandesande · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's what is interesting about classical music though- unlike popular music often times the music does not become popular until the public is ready for it. Bach finished the Sonatas and Paritas for Violin in 1720 and the music was not actually published until 1802, long after his death. Even then it was not popularized until 50 years later.
      If anything this is a testament to Bach's genius, discussed more in the book "Godel Escher and Bach" which I highly recommend.

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
    3. Re:Went to classical myself by geckoFeet · · Score: 1

      Musicology PhD here - your example is misleading. Published scores of that kind were very, very expensive, and music for the private enjoyment of students and professionals (to paraphrase, loosely, from Bach's own explanation for his target audience) tended to be circulated in manuscript.

      (Technological note: keyboard and solo violin music couldn't be printed from movable type. It was engraved, a very tedious process which involved writing the score backwards onto a metal plate which was then etched. Engraving got much quicker, and cheaper, later in the 18th century, when the engraving punch was invented, so the engraver could just bang out the noteheads and such rather than having to draw each one freehand.)

      Anyway, the lack of publication for Bach's Sonatas and Partitas (not Paritas) isn't a good example.

      Your larger point is correct, but that's because survivor bias hasn't had time to kick in

    4. Re:Went to classical myself by PPH · · Score: 2

      If anything this is a testament to Bach's genius,

      Of course, you mean PDQ Bach.

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    5. Re:Went to classical myself by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Technological note: keyboard and solo violin music couldn't be printed from movable type. It was engraved, a very tedious process which involved writing the score backwards onto a metal plate which was then etched. Engraving got much quicker, and cheaper, later in the 18th century, when the engraving punch was invented

      Minor clarification (which you probably know) -- this music could be printed with movable type, but that had fallen out of fashion (and frankly generally looked terrible because of the complex issues of spacing, various glyph combinations, etc. that were required). Music had been printed using movable type ever since the first mass-printed music with Petrucci in the early 1500s. But engraving became increasingly popular during the 1600s, and by the 1700s (and Bach) basically everything was engraved. Typesetting was possible; it just wasn't what printers did at that point.

      Otherwise, agree with your points.

    6. Re:Went to classical myself by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      I think older music (including classical) benefits from a survivor bias: the bad stuff has been forgotten, leaving only the good stuff.

      That's really only partly true. Just as pop music has its particular fads and whims, so does history. Many composers and pieces we know today became part of the classical "canon" due to interest among particular historians or performers, or sometimes due to active lobbying efforts.

      Take one of the most popular pieces of classical music today -- Antonio Vivaldi's "Four Seasons." Vivaldi was incredibly popular during his lifetime, but died a pauper. He was so popular originally that he wrote hundreds and hundreds of pieces, but these were completely forgotten within decades of his death. Then, in the early 20th century, a few random discoveries of his work and deliberate lobbying efforts by certain Italian businessmen and scholars led to a huge revival of interest in his music.

      J.S. Bach came to be appreciated through a similar set of efforts, though in his case direct students of his and students of students championed his cause. By the mid-1800s, they had organized a campaign to publish a complete edition of his works, an unprecedented idea that basically created the idea of "classical music" as an appreciation of the works of certain "great composers" of the past.

      Other pieces of music are remembered just because they happened to end up in popular anthologies, or because they were used in some popular textbook survey, or some music historian published some interesting book or article about them.

      A lot of music was revived because it was considered unusual for the time -- Bach, for example, with his old-fashioned interest in complex counterpoint, was quite striking and likely "exotic" to the ears of the 19th century. More popular styles were often forgotten more quickly, but even there we have the odd exception: take Pachelbel's canon, a simple piece based on a repeating bass pattern. You could find literally thousands of such pieces written in the late 1600s and early 1700s, and probably hundreds that are just as interesting or "pretty" or whatever as Pachelbel's canon. But somehow that caught the interest of somebody a few decades ago (the legend I heard is that it was some radio DJ, but I don't know that for certain), and now it's one of the most popular pieces of "classical music," even though there's little distinctive about it from a historical sense. (In fact, as has been noted in parodies of Pachelbel's Canon, its chord progression is the ancestor of a lot of stereotypical standard pop music progressions that are still around today.)

      I'm not saying that the music of the classical "canon" isn't "great music." But what we remember and what we perform and record today is as much dependent on the whims of history as our popular music is dependent on the whims of which genres are popular this year.

    7. Re:Went to classical myself by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually you're wrong. Keyboard (and solo violin) music couldn't be printed with movable type unless you separated out the parts and printed, more or less, one "voice" (or melody line) per staff (which was sometimes done, but it's hard to read, and for many kinds of music, totally impractical). Keyboard (and solo vln) music typically has chords, a changing number of parts in each staff, and other complications which moveable type couldn't handle.

      There was a great deal of typeset music, mostly vocal, but it was almost all one-voice-per-staff.

      (Exception: alternative notations, now usually grouped under the name "tablatures", of which there were several varieties, some of which, as in Spain, were developed specifically to allow cheap printing.)

      I have to compliment you on your screen name, remembering, however, the words of the musicologist Thurston Dart (who was the adviser to my dissertation adviser), that he was a "surprisingly credible Jesuit."

    8. Re:Went to classical myself by geckoFeet · · Score: 1

      Oh, blah, the anon comment ending in the slur about Kircher was mine; I was accidentally not logged in. I'm going to take the liberty of repeating it here, with apologies for my clumsiness:

      ----

      No, actually you're wrong. Keyboard (and solo violin) music couldn't be printed with movable type unless you separated out the parts and printed, more or less, one "voice" (or melody line) per staff (which was sometimes done, but it's hard to read, and for many kinds of music, totally impractical). Keyboard (and solo vln) music typically has chords, a changing number of parts in each staff, and other complications which moveable type couldn't handle.

      There was a great deal of typeset music, mostly vocal, but it was almost all one-voice-per-staff.

      (Exception: alternative notations, now usually grouped under the name "tablatures", of which there were several varieties, some of which, as in Spain, were developed specifically to allow cheap printing.)

      I have to compliment you on your screen name, remembering, however, the words of the musicologist Thurston Dart (who was the adviser to my dissertation adviser), that he was a "surprisingly credible Jesuit."

    9. Re:Went to classical myself by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I think older music (including classical) benefits from a survivor bias: the bad stuff has been forgotten, leaving only the good stuff.

      The same thing will happen to the music we knew as kids, and the music we hear from pop artists today.

      And this is a good thing(TM).

      In 20-30 years things like Dubstep will be a complete joke whilst people still talk about Peal Jam in the same way we still talk about Sinatra...

      I'm a rock and metal fan and I think Sinatra's work is good.

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    10. Re:Went to classical myself by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      No, actually you're wrong. Keyboard (and solo violin) music couldn't be printed with movable type unless you separated out the parts and printed, more or less, one "voice" (or melody line) per staff (which was sometimes done, but it's hard to read, and for many kinds of music, totally impractical).

      I think we're actually trying to agree with each other here, though perhaps I didn't go into enough detail to explain my points the first time around. I know risk going down the rabbit hole of music history minutiae, but why not...

      Your initial post implied that it wasn't really possible to do movable type with music, but it was and it had been done. And there were plenty of examples of intavolaturas and original pieces of keyboard music in the late 16th and early 17th century that separated the various parts out. And yes, it was even possible to do multiple parts per staff, as in the tablature examples you mention. But the complexities of spacing and combining glyphs (as I specifically mentioned before) made this both impractical and difficult to read for keyboard or vocal music. So while polyphonic tablature was developed further for lute, vihuela, guitar, etc., the advantages of engraving were greater for polyphony in the kinds of scores you're talking about.

      Or, to put it a different way, in your original post you were discussing the difficulties and complexities of engraving and why that made publishing expensive, etc. I was just adding that movable type (which seems like it should be easier -- to people who don't know much about music engraving but know the history of text printing where movable type was a huge technological leap) actually was attempted and used. But music typesetting faded out partly because trying to use it in 17th and 18th century instrumental styles would actually have been more difficult even than engraving (and would have produced a less readable result). It's not that it was impossible to produce blocks of type with more vertical notes -- tablature had been doing that for centuries -- but why would you bother? Engraving, despite its expense and complexity (which you rightly pointed out), was actually so much better-looking and practically easier to deal with.

    11. Re:Went to classical myself by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      (And just to be clear, I realize that you were talking about specific types of music were basically impossible to typeset in the 18th century. I initially responded because I thought others might not get the fact that typesetting was possible in general for music, but it gradually faded away due to notational complexities and changing tastes in printing, greater varieties of types of music that were printed, etc.)

    12. Re:Went to classical myself by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      I think older music (including classical) benefits from a survivor bias: the bad stuff has been forgotten, leaving only the good stuff.

      Any time you hear someone wax nostalgic for 70's or early 80's music, I guarantee you that's the case. I was listening then, and you have simply no concept of how much crap I had to sit through in order to hear the occasional great Led Zeppelin or Rush song. There was a time when I was literally (and I do mean literally) getting rickrolled daily. That was an actual chart-topping song in the 80's. Think for a second about what that says about its competition.

  14. new artists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we still like new artists, just the definition of 'artist' changes as you leran more.

    1. Re:new artists by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Yep. There are a lot of entertainers on the pop charts. Very few artists. The difference is important.

  15. One of two things by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Either it becomes more diverse or more narrow. For examples of the latter, I offer up dead heads.

    1. Re:One of two things by koan · · Score: 1

      Yeah but the music was only a partial factor there, it was a lifestyle thing as I remember it.

      I saw the Dead in Seattle late 70's or early 80's can't recall, it was boring musically and I fell asleep watching hippies twirl around like roaches on pesticide. (Fat Freddie's Cat reference)

      --
      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    2. Re:One of two things by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      If you can remember Fat Freddie's cat, you did not smoke enough dope!

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    3. Re:One of two things by koan · · Score: 1

      "Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope."—Freewheelin' Franklin.

      --
      "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    4. Re:One of two things by swamp+boy · · Score: 1

      Deadheads narrow? You must not know of their affection for LSD.

    5. Re:One of two things by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      You misspelled affliction.

      If you can't get high without LSD you have no business partaking.

      This is not an anti-drug statement. But it's sad how many people view hallucinogens at a way to 'get messed up.'

  16. Not sure by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I realize this analysis is about "popular" music, so this may not entirely fit. But last year I listened to one of those Great Courses sets on "How to Listen to and Understand Great Music" and really changed what I've been listening to, which now includes quite a bit of concert music (baroque, classical, etc.) that I never really appreciated before. Am I an outlier that I'm picking up something new just as I turn 40, or does this not count because it's not pop music, and old fogies are supposed to drift into listening to this ancient stuff anyway?

    I'd say I've also picked up a lot of new material recently because of Pandora, but I'll admit most of that is older music, where it's a genre/style I liked, but I somehow missed some of the artists from that era who are similar to ones I already liked.

    1. Re:Not sure by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1
      While i surely like many of the usual rock/pop/etc, even now that i am very old to rock and roll (but too young to die!), i had the great luck to grow up in Greece where Greek traditional and more modern music, plus non-Greek NON-rock/pop/etc (e.g., European clasical/baroque, Asian) music, was available thanks to mass media (radio/tv). So i "understand Great music" (as you write) more easily i think.

      An example that i just listening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... (great music in my opinion, one of the best i heard in my life, but that is not my point).

      "Music Listening" is something you must "train your ear" to do it well - the younger you begin, the better. And the best way i think is to stop this pop/rock monoculture. Unfortunately kids/teenagers (especialy in USA i am afraid) are exposed almost exclusively to "popular" music.

      --
      Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
    2. Re:Not sure by digsbo · · Score: 2

      My dad had an old "Anatolian Feast" LP of Greek folk music - bouzouki stuff, odd meters, etc., that I couldn't take as a little kid, but I have some similar stuff I listen to now. Middle-eastern and Mediterranean music is superb. As is a lot of authentic folk music from almost anywhere in the world. Textured and interesting.

    3. Re:Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had always like classical music, but I find that I listen to it much more now that I've grown out of my gothic-rock-emo phase and gone through a blues and jazz phase. The thing is, though, that I listen to classical music the same way that I listened to other genres: bobbing my head in time to the beat, dancing a bit with my shoulders, whatever. I actually enjoy the music, which makes me think that I'm doing it wrong. I go to concerts with my girlfriend, and she sits there as rigid as everyone else in the room, while I'm bopping about with the rhythm and digging the different voices in polyphony. I mean, how can you not bop along to something like the "Sicut erat in principio" from Vivaldi's Dixit Dominus (the 594 one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5K__iooJ94 ), especially when it ducks into the minor around 1:25?

    4. Re:Not sure by steelfood · · Score: 1

      I find not only that music can influence your state of mind, but that it goes the other way around too, that your present state of mind is drawn towards certain music. When I say state of mind, I mean your mental and emotional depth and maturity, among other things.

      There's no specific music or genre older people are "expected to" enjoy. But you'll definitely find your interests changing with age. Personally, I can now see (hear?) structure where I couldn't before (it's like seeing the branches and leaves on a tree rather than just seeing a tree), so my tastes have gravitated towards things that have more complex structures.

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      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    5. Re:Not sure by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      My dad had an old "Anatolian Feast" LP of Greek folk music - bouzouki stuff, odd meters, etc., that I couldn't take as a little kid, but I have some similar stuff I listen to now. Middle-eastern and Mediterranean music is superb. As is a lot of authentic folk music from almost anywhere in the world. Textured and interesting

      That is what i am talking about my friend - and you described it excellent!

      I prefer not to mention anything about Greek music because many fellow Slashdoters are getting angry with my frequent comments refering to something about Greece (i admit it's much of "Greek pride"!), BUT: you are a great example of what i mean, and why exposure in a young age to more than the usual "popular music" breaks the "monoculture" (common in USA i am afraid - if you are American, no offence i hope) AND "trains the ear", so you become an "educated listener". This is not some kind of "elitism" as many may think, on the contrary... since YOU can join ME in a BROADER AND DEEPER "common" (instead of the narrow and shallow "popular") culture: in the same way as i can enjoy the usual USA music (as most people around the world does).

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      Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
    6. Re:Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't worry too much about your Greekness. I fully understand your pride and you should be. Trying to pass that down to your children becomes hard to do though. I visited Greece once and all they played was Rembetika in a very sullen way. What pretty much scared me the most (hairs on my neck stood right up) were Hungarian women singing their folk songs over a cacophony of instruments. Very foreign and alienesque to my trained western ear. It took me a while to understand and appreciate the music.

    7. Re:Not sure by digsbo · · Score: 1

      My dad (and mom, to a lesser extent) exposed me to many kinds of music. I've also developed an ear for opera, which my parents played in the house, and which I didn't like as a kid.

      The funny thing is one day I heard John Coltrane on the radio, and it hit me like a lightning bolt. And you know what? Coltrane got interested in all kinds of foreign (to him) music when he got exposed to it. But no one else in my family was into it.

      I can barely stand to listen to highly-processed music. It's like Chef Boyardee - mostly corn syrup. That "Love Song" by Sara Bareilles is a good song, but if you listen to it, it's so computer-processed, it hurts the ears. Why did she do that? To sell. I get it. But it's sad.

      The best concerts I can remember attending were largely small-venue events at a local botanical gardens. Savion Glover (amazing jazz dancer/full body instrumentalist), Eileen Ivers (irish fiddler playing with NYC r&b backing band), Back of the Moon (Scots new folk), Chris Norman (Scots new folk). A mind-blowing concert of Aruna Sairam (Indian carnatic singer) at Royal Albert Hall was one of the most amazing things I've witnessed.

      I studied Western classical music formally for years on clarinet, and have been studying piano for 7 years now. I thought I "knew" classical music, but as a clarinet player I only knew a small repertoire of chamber music and orchestral music. Now, learning piano, there's a whole new world of compositions I never knew existed. And that's *just* the classical - my teacher put me through that as a prerequisite to my jazz studies!

      As a jazz player, I intuitively recognize the similarities in the various flavors of "hot" music specific to cultures. Greek and Indian music is particularly spicy!

    8. Re:Not sure by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 1

      I'd also question the validity of "popular" music, and it seems to be dominated by the same 4 styles (rap, dance, alt hard rock, and country). That a pretty narrow field to judge calcification. It seems to me rather that popular music has calcified.

      Especially now, as there is a fuckton of different music being made. Just taking in a small sampling has meant I have listened to something new every week for the past few years. I lament that I will never live long enough to hear all the good stuff available made in just the last decade.

      And even for genres I favor, the bands of my youth are still putting out reasonably good albums, there are new bands taking up the torch, and obscure bands I missed the first time around.

      And there are whole histories of music that laid the groundwork that I'm starting to investigate as the internet has made them easier to locate, and there is a push towards preservation (such 1930s blues).

      I mean in the context of ALL the music available to me now, popular music is a minor blip, and it is absurd to use that as the yardstick to quantify diversity of taste.

    9. Re:Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about RESONANCE. Bach was/is the master. You can't actually hear the frequencies, but the differences resonate in the brain.

      Now about this Pandora - I live in Canada you insensitive clod!

    10. Re:Not sure by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      Your latest comment explains your previous my friend... so: you are a musician!

      I am an (amateur - without formal education, just self–taught) musician - playing (among other instruments)... the clarinet, "Greek style" (any Slashdoter feeling angry with me for mentioning Greece again: the music is called "America" -it's about Greek immigration- so... fuck off!) and for non-Greek music (of any kind), plus the bouzouki, mostly for Greek music (any Slashdoter feeling angry with me for mentioning Greece AGAIN: the music is called... "Pulp Fiction movie's soundtrack it's originaly GREEK!" -you may recognize it- so... FUCK OFF!!!)

      I intuitively recognize the similarities in the various flavors of "hot" music specific to cultures

      You do - it helps a lot that you are a musician... but you are a musician because (including the good influences i mentioned earlier) you have the talent to recognize music!

      --
      Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
  17. unfortunately true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my music tastes have calcified to an endless loop of tu tu ruu : (

  18. I must move in different circles. by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 2

    Many if not all of my fellow musician friends actually stop being such fucking snobs as they mature and realize just how well conceived a lot of pop music is.

    --
    No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
    1. Re:I must move in different circles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may be well conceived, masterfully played and beautifully arranged and *still* not be art.
      Art happens, most often unplanned and where nobody can see it.
      The rest is repetition.

    2. Re:I must move in different circles. by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      Many if not all of my fellow musician friends actually stop being such fucking snobs as they mature and realize just how well conceived a lot of pop music is.

      i do not think that word means what you think it means...

      Most Pop music, music on the top 40, is very formulaic and overly processed. I agree that some of it is actually produced well and will a lot of talent. But those tend to be few and far between in the top 40.

    3. Re:I must move in different circles. by brantondaveperson · · Score: 1

      But those tend to be few and far between in the top 40.

      Sure. But they are there, and anyone who likes to bang on about how they hate all pop music is just a snob.

    4. Re:I must move in different circles. by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      Just wondering which word it is you don't think means what I think it means.

      Practically all the best known Baroque composers wrote formulaic and repetitive music: Bach, Vivaldi, Handel to name but three.
      Maybe you hate baroque music too. No problem. You get to choose what you like.

      --
      No, your children are not the special ones. Nor are your pets.
    5. Re:I must move in different circles. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      It's really a waste of hatred to bestow it on 'pop music.'

      I'm not being a snob in saying this. There is good music of just about every genre and type.

      I like Terry Riley, though I can barely afford good enough sound equipment to play a recording of 'The Harp of New Albion' which is just acoustic piano.

      But I like some of the Sex Pistols, as long as it's in the original Mono. Preferably on a cassette player from a thrift shop.

      It's really complex matter, music. Most forms of nearly pure mathematics expressed through physics is like that.

    6. Re:I must move in different circles. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone who likes to bang on about how they hate all pop music is just a snob.

      Or, you know, they just find that shit repugnant and always have

  19. My musical tastes soured by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    My musical tastes soured because of all the corporate bullshit. Now it's indie YouTube videos for me. AdBlocker is my friend.

  20. My taste by koan · · Score: 1

    My Taste changed dramatically at an older age than mentioned, the reason?

    When I could grab an album without concern of "Am I wasting my money?" my taste expanded dramatically.

    I got more diverse musically the older I got.

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  21. Wheres the Guitar Rock by kenj123 · · Score: 1

    I've always liked rock with strong guitar sound. problem is It all died out in the 90s. there's been some pretty good jokes about that on the family guy cartoon.

    1. Re:Wheres the Guitar Rock by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Actually there has been a revival of that type of music. The same with Glam-Metal. Five finger death punch for the guitars, Black Veil Brides for you glam-metal.

      The other band that has made a really good comeback with their new stuff is Korn.

    2. Re:Wheres the Guitar Rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's been some pretty good jokes about that on the family guy cartoon.

      Good? Where'd they steal the jokes from?

  22. Truth is almost certainly more complicated by DumbSwede · · Score: 2

    I didn’t RTFA, but I suspect the truth is more complicated than the summary. I was a child in the 60’s and didn’t pay attention to music back then. Somewhere in my 40’s I was like Whoa! Why wasn’t I paying attention to Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin when it was on the radio??? I liked disco and still do. I liked New Age in the 80’s but now I’m like WTF was I thinking. Current music seems pretty good to me especially groups like Maroon 5 and OK Go. I even find my foot tapping to Katy Perry.

    Different genres seem to have different peeks in different years to me. Funk was at its best in the 70s and 80s., Rap the late 80’s early 90’s. Blues and Jazz seems good in all eras. Hard Rock 60s and 70’s. Heavy Metal 80’s and 90’s. Techno from 90’s through today.

      My dad on the other hand only liked Jazz and thought Rock was fad even in the 80’s and 90’s and opined several times that he thought its age was almost over (seems Rock has out lived my dad).

    1. Re:Truth is almost certainly more complicated by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      New music is unfiltered. The majority is crap being pushed by record labels. Some is good. Some is great. Most is not.

      Music of previous decades has been filtered. You only hear the good stuff. Go back and look at the charts and radio play of the 60s, 70s and 80s. It's full of crap. But no one plays that any more, so you only hear or buy or download the good stuff from those decades.

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      I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
    2. Re:Truth is almost certainly more complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry but even in jazz you have the good stuff that survies and the bad , The bad is the equvalent of musical masturbation.

    3. Re:Truth is almost certainly more complicated by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      All good music is popular but not all popular music is good.

      --
      And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
    4. Re:Truth is almost certainly more complicated by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >All good music is popular but not all popular music is good.

      I'm aware of good music that isn't popular.

      --
      I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
  23. Eighties metal has become classic rock by tepples · · Score: 1

    my dad grew up with classic rock and hated 80's metal bands that i listened to.

    And guess what they play on classic rock stations nowadays? 1980s metal.

    1. Re:Eighties metal has become classic rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hair bands are not metal bands. Please just stop that kind of nonsense here and now.

    2. Re:Eighties metal has become classic rock by alen · · Score: 1

      after ozzy went to the white house and bruce dickinson learned to fly and metallica started to shop at armani, it lost my interest

  24. Re:oh wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to, until Zayn Malik left One Direction, then all hope was lost.....

  25. What happened to me by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

    I'm 29, and I grew up listening first to the usual children-related pop stuff, then mostly what was played on the radio and popular. In my late teens and early twenties I was deep into metal, no other genres were acceptable. Now, over the last 6-7 years, my music tastes have broadened enormously, I listen to everything from country to jazz to rock to classical and just about everything in between.

    I have hundreds of CDs, gigabytes and gigabytes of downloaded and ripped music, all of it something that struck a chord with me in some way at some point. Lately I've started a small LP collection, because there's just so much good music to be found in thrift stores and record store bargain basements for almost no money. I got a whole bundle of ELO albums for just a few bucks the other day, and as soon as I started playing them I thought to myself "why the hell haven't I listened to these guys before? This is awesome!".

    Life's too short and music is too wonderful to limit yourself to arbitrary genres and popularity contests. There is amazing music in every genre, just waiting for you to listen to it.

    --
    Eat the rich.
    1. Re:What happened to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bruce,

      Don't bring me down, it's all a little bit of magic. Confusion? Rollover evil woman, I can't get it out of my head cause it's a livin thing.

      Rock n roll is king.

  26. Allowing your mind to close. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    I think it is an issue that when you get into your 30's you are allowing your mind to close.
    As a Teenager, you are old enough to appreciate the quality of music so the music you listen to was new and exciting. As you get older you find the pattern predictable. The fact it has been predictable for hundreds of years, and every couple of decades a new element is brought in, but still most music is base on repeating over and over again.

    I find the new stuff isn't that bad, and I enjoy it, and it isn't any worse than music when I was a kid. We had good music that we now hear on the oldies stations, and we have the bad bands that more or less fade away. So when we listen back in time, we only listen to the stuff we liked.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think it's something else altogether.

      In your teens and early 20's you're partying hard with friends, getting laid, and making lots of good memories. The music playing at that time is the soundtrack to the happiest time of your life. Twenty plus years later and you're weighed down with a mortgage, several kids, a shit job, and an impending divorce. Now the music you hear is the soundtrack to a less wonderful part of your life.

      When you're young, you can't help but be exposed to new music. You have no control of the turntable at parties, or when visiting friends. You are challenged more often and learn to enjoy it. As an adult you just press the skip button when something doesn't immediately please you.

      TLDR: It's not the music, that's pretty much a constant, it's the memories you have when you were listening to that music.

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    2. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      I don't know. Hair bands were popular when I was in high school. I'm pretty sure that aside from disco, it doesn't get much worse than that.

    3. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think it's that either, at least not exclusively.

      When we're young we have no frame of reference for life. We roll with whatever life throws at us because there's no preconceived notion of what life is. Even into early adulthood we're still learning what life entails, but by the time we reach our thirties we usually have enough notion of life that we start to seek to stabilize it.

      I think that with music there's a distinct difference between what is good, what is popular, and what is both good and popular. When one looks at top-40 and top-100 lists from the past, one can see music that topped the charts when it was new that's not popular today right along with music that is still played. There's a lot of music that isn't played anymore that was popular; I'm sure the same will be said of music made today. We might well find that Taylor Swift becomes the next Linda Rhonstadt, almost completely disappearing from popular culture despite having made quite the splash for many years. By contrast, we might find Amy Winehouse being looked at as the next Janis Joplin twenty to thirty years from now.

      Another side is the following of short term trends or fads versus following long term trends. If the buying public trends away from autotone and other heavy post-production techniques, there will be a decade of music that falls into a catergory similar to how 'eighties' defines a genre whose constituent parts don't necessarly otherwise have a lot in common. We may look back on this era's music and those who continue to listen to it with the same mirth as we look at fans of groups like KC and the Sunshine Band.

      I still listen to new music. Some of it's good, some of it's crap. I also listen to older music that I didn't know about when it was new. Life would be kind of dull if I was stuck on bands from the late eighties and nineties; I can only take so much Hootie and the Blowfish.

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    4. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Twenty plus years later and you're weighed down with a mortgage, several kids, a shit job, and an impending divorce.

      I'm sorry your life turned out so shitty, I really am, but it's not the case for everybody. I've got a mortgage, but I'm not weighed down by it. I've got kids, but not an impending divorce. And my job is quite interesting. Perhaps this is why I'm still listening to and enjoying new music.

      With the greatest of respect, it seriously sounds like you need to short your shit out.

    5. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's always hair-metal. No need to sing, just scream about death and you have a hit.

      There are days that nothing relaxes me more than a heavy metal band at max volume. Most days there nothing worse you could possibly listen to and then a Bee-gees song starts on the radio.

    6. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm in my 50s, but I can say that my tastes have not narrowed but certainly become more demanding. I want more complexity in my music, and a greater attention to detail. Maybe as the article points out its partially boredom from the "I've heard it all before", but I have some relatively recent albums that I enjoy just as much or more than my younger year classics. There is great musical talent out there and I like new stuff. There are many obscure albums from the past that the pop world completely missed, and it is fun to discover them.

      It takes harder work to find what I like, and I don't have as much time to devote. I am lucky to see a live show more than a few a year, even though I keep vowing to do better.

    7. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Nyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's something else altogether.

      In your teens and early 20's you're partying hard with friends, getting laid, and making lots of good memories. The music playing at that time is the soundtrack to the happiest time of your life. Twenty plus years later and you're weighed down with a mortgage, several kids, a shit job, and an impending divorce. Now the music you hear is the soundtrack to a less wonderful part of your life.

      When you're young, you can't help but be exposed to new music. You have no control of the turntable at parties, or when visiting friends. You are challenged more often and learn to enjoy it. As an adult you just press the skip button when something doesn't immediately please you.

      TLDR: It's not the music, that's pretty much a constant, it's the memories you have when you were listening to that music.

      Glad I'm in my 40's and I'm not weighed down by a mortgage, several kids, a shitty job and an impending divorce. I mean, seriously, what a fuck up way to look at life.

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    8. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      ^BTW, forgot to mention that I do get a kick from J. Roddy Walston & the Business. (too bad they did the beer commercial ..but even that doesn't bother me like it used to).

    9. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by 14erCleaner · · Score: 1

      If your life goes well, your kids will introduce you to new music in your 40's. That's what happened to me, although it's also true that my favorite bands from college kept cranking out albums for a few more decades, and I kept buying them.

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    10. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the greatest of respect, it seriously sounds like you need to short your shit out.

      FATE: Fail At The End. Life is unpredictable. Sometimes good things happen and sometimes bad things happen. You may have all your shit together now. But I absolutely guarantee that bad things will happen. If not to you, then to people you care about. Maybe not this year or next year. Maybe you'll even have a couple good decades. But then it will all hit the fan - either for you or someone you care about. There is some serious hurt in your future. I guarantee it.

    11. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Maybe for some people that stuff is true, but I never liked most of the music that my peers did. I went to college in the early/mid 90s, and I hated the music of that time. I quickly developed an appreciation for metal (mostly from the 80s), and later got into 70s rock. In fact, I've been learning to appreciate older stuff as I've gotten older, and I've never liked anything from the 90s on (unless it was 80s bands continuing to make music). I seemed to mostly come by this stuff on my own, though for a brief time in college I had a couple of friends who shared my musical tastes.

      I also think it's wrong to ignore environmental factors: the music being made now really is different from that from decades past. They didn't have Autotune back then, and things were really different in the pre-Napster and pre-internet days.

    12. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Glad I'm in my 40's and I'm not weighed down by a mortgage, several kids, a shitty job and an impending divorce. I mean, seriously, what a fuck up way to look at life.

      Like it or not, that's reality for lots of middle-aged people. How many people really, really love coming to the office day in, day out, and putting up with the same corporate BS? And at least 50% of marriages end in divorce, so it's not like that's unusual either.

    13. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      When you get into your 30's you start to get a clue.

      When you are a teenager you don't have said clue, and everything sounds just great.

      One of the things you slowly realize as you grow older is that you're not really making any kind of a 'stand' by advocating some sort of music over some other sort.

      Also, Sturgeons Law applies very much to music.

    14. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Glad I'm in my 40's and I'm not weighed down by a mortgage, several kids, a shitty job and an impending divorce. I mean, seriously, what a fuck up way to look at life.

      Well, it's pretty common. In fact it's basically the model of most people's lives.

    15. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "still most music is base on repeating over and over again."

      I know what you mean: Wagner -> Mahler -> Bruckner

    16. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      Actually, I don't have a mortgage, I have no children, and my divorce is a decade in the past. My shit is sorted.

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    17. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I've been learning to appreciate older stuff as I've gotten older"

      Good. By the day you get retired you might reach master Monteverdi.

    18. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      I went to uni around the same time, coming from a house with parents who enjoyed mostly rock, with a little nod to metal (Sabbath), a bit of prog, and some electronica.

      Once I hit uni my exposure to other music increased massively. I made new friends who were into metal / death metal, including ones in death metal bands. Others were getting further into electronica - meanwhile, the alternative scene was my main influence (goth, new romantics, etc). I still liked radio friendly rock to an extent too, but it started to take a sideline to the newer grunge that was coming out, and even a bit of rap / hip hop.

      I'm always happy to try new music, new genres, new production styles. Once you stop growing, there's only one way to go from there...so keep on growing I say :D

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    19. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      I'm not convinced.

      A lot of people I know who grew up in the 80s and 90s prefer music from the early 70s. I suspect that social pressure may be coming into play there.

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    20. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I mean, seriously, what a fuck up way to look at life."

      doesnt invalidate what theyre saying.

    21. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      It's not just the implied associations; popular music lyrics are usually about the life of 20-somethings.
      I'm now 38 and still enjoy ~1/5th of regular new pop music, but the rest just seems to be talking about things I simply don't care about any more.
      I'm also less likely to follow pop fads. Looking back, I no longer enjoy the pop fads of my own youth either.

      It's the same with movies. Who over 30 would watch a Twilight movie? Who would have probably watched it back when they were 20?

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    22. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by zemned3000 · · Score: 1

      There is definitely an argument for allowing the shit filter of time to do its job on most music, why work so hard at finding the good stuff :) Unfortunately, bands would struggle if we all had this view.

      There are more dimensions to music than the sound. For example there is the message, cultural context, delivery vehicle (boy bands fit in here)..

      When you are young, music forms part of your identity. I would say that socially, it would be advisable to be open to as many different types of music as possible; as it gives a good basis for common ground with people who could become your peers. Once you path in life and peer group is better determined, this aspect of music isn't so relevant.

      Personally, I try to listen to music that challenges me. This doesn't have to be new music. I find BBC Radio 6 tends to do a good job of opening your mind to what is different, which (to me) is more important than new.

    23. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      In your teens and early 20's you're partying hard with friends, getting laid, and making lots of good memories.

      Whoah, we must be living on different planets. In my teens I had zits, I couldn't talk to a girl to save my life, parents and teachers kept telling me I sucked, I had no money, no transportation and I could never do anything I would have wanted to (too dangerous, too expensive, too far, etc). Maybe it's the reason why I still seek new bands in my 40s... (scandinavian metal rules!)

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    24. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Not really.

      My life definitely took an upturn in late twenties and thirties. Yet I hate most of today's music. My teenage music had both good and bad music according to my present self ~40.

      Best music was from 15-50 years before I was born - survival bias definitely plays a role there.

      Geeks are stereotypically bullied in their teenage, and then earn better than their bullies - or so the tale goes, though that is not my story. If this has any truth, many slashdotters be similar.

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    25. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is an issue that when you get into your 30's you are allowing your mind to close.

      I disagree completely.

      I remember the music I used to listen to. Heck, I still have the CDs. Most of it is very monotonous. My music taste changed, and these days I can't stand monotonous music. My preference these days is stuff like Mozart, Beethoven, Bach... Yes, old, but not in the sense of allowing my mind to close - that would be sticking with what I used to listen to.

    26. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      I'd love some suggestions for music, then. About the only two albums that I've been happy with since 2000 are The Fragile and Origin of Symmetry, and those are both over a decade old. What new music could you recommend, for someone else with a 'demanding' taste in music, such as attention to detail? I'm still listening to Meddle and Houses of the Holy on a regular basis.

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    27. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Qbertino · · Score: 1

      In your teens and early 20's you're partying hard with friends, getting laid, and making lots of good memories.

      You got *laid* in your teens? Dude, WTF? What are you? Some bizar creature from outer space? ... You're definitely wrong here.

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    28. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Still love my Floyd,

      To be honest, I find the some of most technically accomplished music to be certain bluegrass centric works. So if you can move between genre's, you might consider starting with two albums from the Waybacks, "From Pasture to Future" or my fave, "Devolver". You'll find a something there you like, I would bet.

      More mainstream blues, you MUST check out Tedeschi Trucks "Make up Mind", and if you like old ZZ Top and Little Feat, you'll find Michael Lee Firkins "Yep" album to be quite good and fun.

      Speaking of fun, and good fun, I'll just say everyone I know loves 'Shinyribs" - Well After a While album. Great songwriting and singing. Start listening to that and you won't be able to get it out of your head.

      And back to Rock.. Tom Petty finally put out another really good one with "Hypnotic Eye", and like I said above , J Roddy Walston is fun to listed to, great rythm band.

      If you like Robert Plant's singing, check out the chick that sings for the Alabama Shakes. Just incredible. They have a new album out that is pretty unique.

      And I've just been starting to listen to Pokey Lafarge, old time blues. Very interesting.

    29. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were in your 20s before you hit puberty? What kind of large mammal are you that it took you so long? An elephant? Whale?

      I was going to crack a "fat American" joke, but IIRC excessive body fat as a child actually tends to trigger puberty *sooner*.

      Most human beings are fully capable of having sex by the age of 14.

    30. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Pretty much anything with deep composition via stringed instruments, including the piano. Done!

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    31. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's the reason why I still seek new bands in my 40s... (scandinavian metal rules!)

      Speaking of which, I was listening to DragonForce on YouTube and decided to check out one of the suggested bands. Imagine my surprise when I selected Sonata Arctica and heard almost the exact same music. Stylistically they were identical, even many of the chords were the same.

      Made me wonder. . .

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    32. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'm exploring your suggestions on Youtube now. The first few remind me of Charlie Daniels Band.

      You brought up a great point, one that I've been noticing for quite some time. To find good new music, one needs to jump genres. Not necessarily because any particular genre has dried up, but possibly because more of the same genre sounds like it is either "missing the mark" it it's bad, or "copying the old" if it's good.

      Thanks! If you want to try something new as well, search Youtube for Furtwrangler. He's a German conductor and his interpretations of Beethoven are absolutely amazing. The restored 1940's and 50's recordings of Beethoven's 5th and 9th symphonies conducted by him are completely amazing. There are a few of them, recorded in different years, and they are all a bit different, like different photographs of the same beautiful woman. They take a long time to listen to, the 5th is 30 minutes and the 9th is twice that, but you more "experience" them than listen to them. Try this one for starters:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      If you want to explore the ninth symphony, I suggest just listening to the second movement first. It is far more approachable than the rest of the symphony, especially if you don't like the chorus.

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    33. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Dracolytch · · Score: 1

      Speak for your own life, mine continues to improve, even as I approach my 40s.

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    34. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      But you're advocating some sorts of music over others, namely the stuff you like over the stuff you don't, which seems to be the precise thing you are railing against...

    35. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by jimmycurN · · Score: 1

      It's especially tied in with sex. When did I "wake up" to music and start getting really grabbed by it? Just before puberty. It powered me through high school, college, single adulthood and into marriage. I still loved music but it wasn't driving me anymore. The marriage didn't work out. I "woke up" to music again, got more into it than ever as a shared interest with others, played in bands. Eventually, got married again. I still loved music but it wasn't driving me anymore. Middle-aged now, the powers are not as strong as they once were.

    36. Re: Allowing your mind to close. by tihokibertron · · Score: 1

      turn to shape of despair and candlemass, insomnium, moonsorrow, eternal tears of sorrow for a deep and complex suicide soundtrack

    37. Re:Allowing your mind to close. by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Ahem.

      While it's true that more than 50% of marriages end in divorce (in the US), that does not mean that 50% of married people get divorced.

      The reason: Second and third marriages fail at a higher rate than first marriages.

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  27. Our tastes calcify by goarilla · · Score: 2

    Our tastes don't really calcify we just don't have any buttload of free time anymore to go exploring new music. So
    we stick with what we do know and like. It doesn't help that pop music is an even bigger marketing behemoth than before.
    And the length of the monthly pop music carrousel keeps shrinking.

    1. Re:Our tastes calcify by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      And if you take the time to explore new music, it still works. You still find new music when you try. The internetz helpz a lotz.

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    2. Re:Our tastes calcify by brantondaveperson · · Score: 2

      don't have any buttload of free time anymore to go exploring new music.

      There has literally never been any time in all of human history better for discovering new music than now. Bandcamp. Youtube. Soundcloud. And many others I'm sure I've never heard of. And it has never been easier to record and disseminate music than it is today.

    3. Re:Our tastes calcify by goarilla · · Score: 1

      Offcourse the question then becomes ... is it easier to filter out the crap ?
      But yeah I hear you I bought a few albums on bandcamp myself a few weeks ago.

    4. Re:Our tastes calcify by mezcalhead · · Score: 1
      You don't really need all that much free time. It's pretty easy to discover new music with all the various forms of internet music playlists, charts, etc. I found this most interesting:

      Having a child effectively made people, on average, four years older than their real age in terms of musical tastes.

      I'm in my mid 40s and know more about music (emerging artists) now than I did 20 years ago. Part of that is because I don't have children and have been able to spend as much time as I want on discovering new music. I still see plenty of live shows where I'm standing around a bunch of 18-30 year olds seeing a band on their first national or international tour. Even if I didn't have as much time I have no doubt that I'd still find ways to learn about new artists. I wouldn't still be listening to the same stuff I did from high school and college.

  28. Feminist Propaganda? Or Chauvinism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think it's either but i'm curious to see which way the comments degrade today..

    1. Re:Feminist Propaganda? Or Chauvinism? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, gee, what about blatant racism or homophobia?

  29. generations of music by jebus082 · · Score: 1

    being a decade old in the early 90's, i grew up loving music from the 70's+, i was trendy enough to get into the backstreet boys, spice girls, snoop dogg, soundgarden. recently, ive found myself still loving music from the 60's+ and detesting both audio-ly and visually. my "new thing" is "chicks that sing". that has opened me up to bypassing cultural/familial prejudice in music, and has enveloped a real enjoyment for country music. Lindsey Stirling (sp?) is up there on enjoying music that mixes genre. i still crank "the momma's and the pappa's" or bob dylan when i hear them. my biggest concern for people experiencing music is not having the resources (friends or knowledge) to really experience music.

    1. Re:generations of music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right. Not just for country music though. Try some Western Swing as well. But you are on the right track. Most of the posters here that claim that they are willing to expand their knowledge or at least hear other genres/times will get some kind of benefit from exposure, yet time is a factor.
      Pretty soon though you get to an apparent end.
      I play 3 instruments and I have performed music from the 12th century to the present day. I particularly search for cultural music and micro-tonal pieces. I can tell you that the majority of music has sadly, already been lost. Never the less, there is some great music out there, sometimes in a hidden corner.
      That's not to say that I like all music. There was crap music written in the 17th century as well. And my appreciation of even that comes from an old story that goes:
      A rich merchant gave the worst musician he has ever heard a bagful of gold saying "You have given me a gift, for now I truly understand what bad music is."

  30. Sounds about right by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 1

    I came of age in the late '70s and early '80s, and my musical tastes reflect that.

    There have been some new discoveries along the way. I adore Sheryl Crow, and thought Lady Gaga was a breath of fresh air. With those exceptions (and a few others) I haven't heard much of interest since the early '90s.

    I remain baffled by rap.

    ...laura

  31. Musical Taste can expand. by LionKimbro · · Score: 2

    Freddie Mercury. Harry Belafonte. Led Zeppelin. Highway Star. Cyndi Loper. Pumped Up Kicks. Tron & Switched-On Bach. The Sons of the Pioneers. Chip Tune. Paranoia. Jimmy Hendrix. The Bobs. The Grateful Dead. R.E.M. Moonlight Sonata. The Disney Electric Parade. The Final Fantasy VI soundtrack. Forever Young. The Hukilau Song. Over the Rainbow, and Make New Friends. Joy of Man's Desiring. Gnarles Barkley.

    It seems like every year, I get into more music. I discover things that I never saw in older music (such as The Sons of the Pioneers), and I also like seeing things from my childhood revisited, like with Mesh. I have a hard time finding what I consider to be genuinely "new" music; I always have this sense that I am hearing a mutation or freshening of things that have come before.

    1. Re:Musical Taste can expand. by queequeg1 · · Score: 1

      Same here. I'm 45 and as far as I can recall, the music I've always been the most passionate about is stuff I heard for the first time within the prior five or so years (currently a lot of Flogging Molly, Frank Turner, Gogol Bordello, and Authority Zero). I still have a fondness for classic rock on occasion, but I don't understand how some of my contemporaries can listen exclusively to the local classic rock radio station year in and year out. Freebird!!!!

    2. Re:Musical Taste can expand. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      thks. I'm checking our Gogol Borello, hadn't come across them before. Initial reaction is kind of like a swampy Old Man Markley.

  32. Re:unfortunately true; Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    Great on endless loop btw

  33. For me it's been the opposite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I started off as a kid only liking only a few very narrow genres and as time has marched on come to appreciate a lot of diversity.

    I have a more musical interests now in my late 30s than at any other time of my life.

    The only challenge is shuffling my playlists can lead to some... challenging combinations of music (Classical to Jazz, not so bad, but Folk to South African rap-rave, not so easy)

  34. 57, and still an eclectic listener by jlowery · · Score: 1

    Always listened to a broad range of music. Not a fan of atonal jazz/classical, rap, hip-hop, or trance. Pretty much open to anything outside of that.

    My modus operandi on Spotify is to type in some word I see when stopped in traffic and peruse the results. The only problem I encounter is that there is much, much more mediocrity out there (in all musical styles) than there is truly innovative stuff. So I have to sift through a lot of sand to find the gems.

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    1. Re:57, and still an eclectic listener by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      35, can't stand opera or country. Everything else is fair game.

      Anything techno is generally my favorite. I also have identifiable soft-spots for things I grew up with, like 80's pop and 90's alternative/grunge rock. Heck, even my fondness for techno is probably because of my years of listening to Nintendo music. (And OC Remix feeds my addiction... as I type this, I'm listening to this.)

      But everything from Herb Alpert to Taylor Swift is OK as long as it's not opera or country.

  35. Ears Changed by khr · · Score: 1

    In my teens and twenties I listened to a pretty diverse selection of music, just not much that was too popular, and not very loud. I mean, as a teenager still living in my parents' house my father would play on the computer in my bedroom and comment how he couldn't hear the music I as playing (which half the time was Venom or Slayer, that he hated anyway...)

    But then in my thirties I lived in urban India, where the noise from outside my apartment was usually louder than I liked music, people yelling, maids sweeping the ground, cars honking, trucks revving engines, jackhammers, feral dogs barking, the fucking watchmen blowing whistles to call rickshaws up the street, and all that. And that's hurt my ears, so they're always ringing and now I can't hear a lot of subtleties in music unless it's played loud enough for the loud parts to cause pain. So I got to where I could only listen to rock music that didn't have too much range to the sound.

    I only recently got a pair of good headphones and I'm rediscovering some parts of music again. Although a lot of the quieter bits are lost when I listen on the subway going home from work.

  36. Yep, pretty much by istartedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Music virtually died in the late 90s, as far as I'm concerned. I was in my 30s. Nirvana is a lonely signpost on a desolate two-lane highway, leading into a rap desert.

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    1. Re:Yep, pretty much by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      Music virtually died in the late 90s, as far as I'm concerned.

      I'd agree there was a stretch from the early nineties to the early 2000s where good talented new music was hard to find. It was out there of course, but just not getting into the CD racks or getting on the radio. I think things got better after 2000 or so, lots of good stuff keeps coming and more ways to find it.

    2. Re:Yep, pretty much by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      Turn off the radio and go find some indie musicians of whatever genre you like. There are some awesome bands out there making music but because they aren't with a big label they don't get the exposure they deserve. CBC Radio 3 (though it has radio in the name it's an Internet/Sirius channel) features Canadian indie bands. I've found a lot of great artists on there. There's an iPhone/iPad app called Band of the Day. I found my favourite band of all through there last fall. I haven't listened to the normal radio in years and I haven't missed it at all.

    3. Re:Yep, pretty much by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Very well put. I hear you bro.

    4. Re:Yep, pretty much by istartedi · · Score: 1

      I'm not going on a fishing expedition for new music. That's probably part of being middle-aged and having priorities. It's also not my job to wade through all the crap and get to it. I qualified "died" with "virtually" because I still get exposed to interesting things through musician friends (Jazz) and community radio, where "the last DJ" is still allowed to "play what he wants to play".

      --
      For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
    5. Re:Yep, pretty much by MercTech · · Score: 1

      The late 90s were when the major music labels discovered that Rap is so much cheaper to produce than actual music. You don't actually have to pay studio musicians but get a chanter and some public domain samples and call it a hit.

      The late 90s did see a wonderful rediscovery of swing music. I'm thinking of Cherry Poppin' Daddies, Squirrel Nut Zippers, and The Royal Crow Revue (the band in "The Mask") And there were some really bizzaro bands like The Rednex.

      --
      NRRPT/RCT
  37. My musical tastebuds have been destroyed by Morpeth · · Score: 1

    by 'musicians' like Katy Perry, Justin Bieber, and boy bands.

    It's not that my tastes calcified, it's that I know music from the 50s-80s wasn't as brutalized and over manipulated by audio engineers, and musicians used to be able to actually sing and play instruments.

    --

    'The unexamined life is not worth living' - Socrates
    1. Re:My musical tastebuds have been destroyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why can a computer not be an instrument in your mind?

  38. I was never into pop in the first place by kheldan · · Score: 1

    I was listening to rock and metal as a teenager, things like Motorhead, Judas Priest, Blue Oyster Cult. I still enjoy hearing the 'soundtrack of my life' from back then, but I can think of nothing more boring and tedious than listening to nothing but all of that for the rest of my life. I enjoy hearing new music on a regular basis. Of course there is some utter and complete crap out there, too, that I can completely do without, but that's not different than it ever was for me either. Looking at me, you wouldn't think that I'd've latched on to Beastie Boys or Kid Rock or Rage Against the Machine, but I did.

    My bottom line: You want to preserve your youth? ACT LIKE IT. Don't allow yourself to 'calcify' in any way, physically or mentally, and you won't. Keep reading, keep learning, keep hearing and seeing new and different things, and for fuck's sake keep moving. You let your body turn to shit? Your mind will soon follow. And vice-versa.

    --
    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  39. Pretty much... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped listening to music a long time ago, when I was still in my teens. I'm now 25 and I find that I enjoy instrumental/classical music a lot more than the pop/rock I was listening to before. Now they just feel like loud noises.

  40. Give up "popular music" != calcify. by Atzanteol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm in my late 30's (*sigh*) and my music tastes have only expanded. Thing is - they expanded into areas that still aren't the current "popular music." It's difficult to tell how that would be represented in this report.

    Granted I'm likely an outlier of sorts but it's not clear that the methodology would consider me such.

    --
    "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"

    - Charles Darwin
    1. Re:Give up "popular music" != calcify. by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Ah, and *now* I find this paragraph:

      "Kalia himself indicates the study refers to popular music and not specific genres or time periods with the title of his analysis: “Music was better back then: When do we stop keeping up with popular music?” It’s not that you stop listening to new artists or even discovering new styles as you age, just that you won’t care as much who is taking home platinum records and leading the iTunes downloads race."

      That's a long way from calcifying...

      --
      "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"

      - Charles Darwin
    2. Re:Give up "popular music" != calcify. by Headw1nd · · Score: 1

      Finally someone picking up on this. The study has nothing to do with "calcification", it has to do with how popular the bands you listen to are. If I had a bare interest in music and just listened to whatever top 40 radio played, I would rate "Younger" by their metrics than if I took up a sudden musical interest in exploring Vaporwave, Noise, and Witch House and listened to a dozen new albums a week.

  41. Good music has no age by Misagon · · Score: 1

    I wouldn't say that people's tastes calcify. Good music holds up to the tests of time and bad music doesn't.

    There is a lot of music of low quality produced in every age that became popular then but doesn't hold up. Even in the 19th century there were then popular composers that practically nobody listened to ten years later.

    I started liking early '80s synth-pop when I was in my mid-30's - a genre I didn't listen to when I was younger because it had its peak when I was in kindergarten. But I listen to only a small subset of the music from that era. The music I listen to tend naturally to be from the groups who still go on tours, the songs that are still being made into covers and remixes - because that is the subset of the music of that genre and era that was the best.

    --
    "We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
    1. Re:Good music has no age by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I wouldn't say that people's tastes calcify. Good music holds up to the tests of time and bad music doesn't.

      Said every calcified music lover, ever. "It doesn't have to be old to be good, but it has to be good to be old!" famous calcified last words.

  42. Explains why all idiotic my friends annoy me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this explains why 90% of my friends annoy me with their crap musical taste. Not that it's actually "bad" as such, just that it's incredibly limited. The vast majority of my friends continue to listen to the same stuff over and over essentially forever. I, on the other hand, get into new (to me) artists and genres all the time (at age 47 currently) and, in fact, my musical taste continues to expand as I learn more about the variety that exists. It's amazing to me that anyone would want to continually re-listen to the same music instead of discovering new (or old) things. Strikes me as someone reading the same 100 books or watching the same 100 movies over and over and over again for their entire lives... Very sad...

    If YOU are the kind of person who falls into the "limited musical taste" category, take heart. You can change it. My musical tastes used to be limited also; but in college I realized this and started purposefully expanding my horizons. Sometimes it takes a while to understand and appreciate a musical style that is different than what you are used to. It took me a couple of weeks of listening to begin to enjoy the (for example) the Billy Holiday / Madeleine Peyroux sound, and an even longer time to begin "grasping" Tom Waits. Leonard Cohen, on the other hand, spoke to me instantly, so your mileage my vary by artist / genre. As for genres; I continue to struggle with R&B, but I'm slowly making inroads. My musical taste has expanded so much, and my love of music has grown vastly. So stagnant musical is something you can, and IMHO *should* work to overcome.

    1. Re:Explains why all idiotic my friends annoy me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I apparently write can't a subject in the order proper... Argh!

  43. Darwin would love it by tomhath · · Score: 1

    We kind of forget that most popular music of every generation sucks. Listen to the oldies station and you hear the few good songs from that era, the rest are thankfully forgotten. As you get older you don't want to listen to the current generation of crap until it ages a bit and the good stuff survives.

  44. Giving up on popular music is calcification? by fonske · · Score: 1

    tssss...
    Anyway, I was the guy at school talking a lot of my friends into Slayer, Metallica, Discharge...

  45. I think he means Led Zepplin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    or maybe Jethro Tull

    1. Re:I think he means Led Zepplin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only band I knew of that gave you a newspaper to read while listening....

  46. stopped caring about pop earlier than that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped caring about pop when I was about 13.

    Much of that was driven by the popularity of Wham, Michael Jackson and Prince.

  47. A bell curve and magic formula. by Hussman32 · · Score: 2

    I can't help but think there are many types of people on this survey, some will be rigid, others will always be dynamic. I personally listen almost exclusively to alternative rock stations, and while I like my favorites, I quickly tire of the repeat playlist on your Morning Zoo.

    But most importantly, I follow the 5/10/85 rule. 5% of music is timeless brilliance, 10% is listenable yet disposable, and 85% is crap. Those percentages vary by genre.

    --
    "Who are you?" "No one of consequence." "I must know." "Get used to disappointment."
  48. You run out of fucks to give ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You run out of fucks to give as you get older about popularity contests, particularly idiot pop stars, when other shit like career and family take over... If music is important to you, you expand into more diverse genres. If it wasn't that important you, you listen to what you like and that's that.

  49. Never give up on Pop by residents_parking · · Score: 1

    I'm a fan of food metaphors to explain attitudes to music. Giving up pop music is like becoming a food snob or a diet freak. You become a grouch. By all means know what you like, but don't stop being social, you know?

    In fact it pays to listen to pop. It's easy to assume pop is pap, but the opposite is often true. It is not just thrown together, but carefully crafted and clever, cutting edge art. The average musician can learn from studying it.

    Of course I say this from the safety of the UK where pop actually evolves month to month, and dance music (EDM over the pond) has been mainstream since the late 80s.

  50. Confounding factors by dorpus · · Score: 2

    Retail music stores have disappeared, MTV has faded into irrelevance, so how does anybody know what the "top charts" are anymore? In all seriousness, where does one find these? There are a million web sites all claiming to have authoritative lists. Also, with the recent availability of unlimited streaming, I have experienced an explosion in diversity of musical tastes in my mid-40s. I no longer have to take chances on albums or individual tunes I might not like -- I can listen to a hundred different artists in one day.

    1. Re:Confounding factors by petherfile · · Score: 1

      ARIA produces some "top charts" in Australia, here's how.

      This is much better than what they used to do many years ago: rely on distribution figures (that is, how many unit were shipped this week.) I still don't think they reflect much except the skills of advertisers.

    2. Re:Confounding factors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retail music stores have disappeared, MTV has faded into irrelevance, so how does anybody know what the "top charts" are anymore?

      Funny thing is that the week the latest Weird Al album came out I tried to find it at Target and Best Buy to compare to iTunes price. I could not find it, or a slot it should have been in, and the album was the number one album that week.

  51. 1970's R&R, oh yeah by TwoEyedJack · · Score: 1
    There is more to it than the age of people, the quality of the music has something to do with it as well.

    I ascribe much of the death of Rock and Roll to MTV. Taking an audio experience and making it audio/visual seems to have killed the audio. My favorite group growing up was Heart, and IMHO the pinnacle of R&R was their pre-1980 body of work. The vocals and guitar work were simply amazing. After about 1984 they went pop/video and that was the end of it. Now if you want new R&R you have to listen to a country station and catch Band Perry or Jason Aldean. The upside is that some country is also very listenable, especially songs with steel guitar, possibly the most interesting instrument in the history of mankind.

    Anecdotally, my kids listen to '70s rock and old country more than anything else. Thrilled they don't like rap. Double yuk.

    1. Re:1970's R&R, oh yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got into Hawaiian slide guitar that way. Stuff from the 20s onwards...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      Roy Smeck, Sol K. Bright and one of my favourites - Hawaiian Cowboy
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  52. I'm in my 50's... by jbwolfe · · Score: 1

    ...and I listen to pretty much what I listened to in my teens with a few "new" bands as time has passed. I must have calcified early. I listen to music everyday and exposed my kids (in their teens now) to my tastes from the day they were born. They unfortunately have turned to nauseating pop music mostly, but don't complain about my tastes when played in their presence. Finding new music is too difficult- though I could probably try Pandora. As far as calcifying, I am surprised that I can listen to the same stuff so many times, but it never fails to please. What can I say?

    --
    Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anyone going faster than you is a maniac?
  53. I put less effort into it for sure but.... by Simulant · · Score: 1

    Grew up on Casey Kasem
    First album purchase was the Saturday Night Fever sound track
    Spent high school/college listening to Rock/Metal AND New Wave/Post Punk
    Brief Grunge fling in the 90s, then ELECTRONICA, mainly Trip-Hop/Downtempo/Trance/ProgHouse. Electronica remains my favorite genre.
    Lately I'm all over the place... World (Reggae, Flamenco, Samba, etc..)NOLA Jazz & Blue Grass get a lot of play plus, and still, a bit of all of the above.

    I listen to music less frequently than I used to but to a huge variety of music and a couple of live shows a year.
        Pushing 50... Haven't bought a proper album in 20 years but I do splash out for some of my favorite (non-millionaire) artists every now & then. I try to buy as close to the source as possible, preferably from their own website. I don't use streaming sites unless I'm hosting a party & being lazy.

    I do hate most of the radio, but more because of commercials & DJs than the music. While my daughter's pop is frequently grating., I even like myself a catchy Katy Perry tune every now and then.

  54. being stuck at some time period by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it was weird that my dad was stuck at listening to music from late sixties and early seventies. Now I'm stuck at around '95.

  55. I like great music of nearly any genre. by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    I was all top 40 as a teenager but it was kind of a golden age during the heyday of the Beatles and Stones. Since then my taste has expanded and I appreciate just about any kind of music if it's well done. One thing that helped was going to concerts of big names. Van Cliburn came to the university I was attending and I went to the show just because of his name but he just blew me away with his virtuosity and that turned me on to a lot of classical. Same thing happened with jazz at a George Benson show and with Bill Monroe at a bluegrass show and BB King at a blues show and I could go on. A great musician is a great musician no matter what their genre. I've even heard a few rap/hip-hop songs I enjoyed.

    Nowadays I mostly listen to a lot of folk/bluegrass/Americana with a healthy dose of classical and when I'm in the mood I'll tune into the local classic rock station which covers rock from the 1950s to 1980s. But what I seek out and appreciate the most is live concerts of nearly any genre with great musicians.

  56. Hmm was this?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hmm was this nailed from AARP magizine ??

    I mean really people how does this relate to /.???

    News for nerds eh?? What are we? an AARP shoot-off?

    {Please overlords, you try hard to push me and others like me away, but your attempts are petty and futile)

  57. Sid Vicious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing like an old Frank Sinatra redo... https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  58. What's with all these "kinds" of music? by reboot246 · · Score: 2

    There are exactly two different kinds of music - good music and bad music. What makes music good or bad is left up to the individual - everybody has different opinions.

    I'm 62, from a small town in Alabama, a child in the fifties, high school in the late sixties, college in the early seventies, and guess what? I like it all! From classical to the latest, there's good to be found (and a LOT of crap). There's even good and bad music from the same artist, e.g. Eric Clapton early was great, but kinda lame later.

    I usually listen to music played randomly from my collection. You could hear an old bluegrass song followed by Nirvana followed by Bach followed by a gospel song followed by a Disney tune. The only thing all the songs have in common is that they're only the good ones.

    On the road I listen to XM. The presets are Symphony Hall, Met opera, Lithium, Classic Rewind, Bluegrass Junction, and BB King's Bluesville.

    1. Re:What's with all these "kinds" of music? by DNAgent · · Score: 1

      I really Miss XM's "Deep Tracks". Since the merger the Sirius/XM "8-tracks" is a pale imitation.

    2. Re:What's with all these "kinds" of music? by careysub · · Score: 1

      There are exactly two different kinds of music - good music and bad music. What makes music good or bad is left up to the individual - everybody has different opinions. I'm 62, from a small town in Alabama, a child in the fifties, high school in the late sixties, college in the early seventies, and guess what? I like it all! From classical to the latest, there's good to be found (and a LOT of crap). There's even good and bad music from the same artist, e.g. Eric Clapton early was great, but kinda lame later. I usually listen to music played randomly from my collection. You could hear an old bluegrass song followed by Nirvana followed by Bach followed by a gospel song followed by a Disney tune. The only thing all the songs have in common is that they're only the good ones. On the road I listen to XM. The presets are Symphony Hall, Met opera, Lithium, Classic Rewind, Bluegrass Junction, and BB King's Bluesville.

      Amen to this! I like everything - if it is good. I enjoy discovering new styles, genres, bands. I have been around awhile, but I was one of Pentatonix's first fans for example. Went to one of their concerts a few months back - Cello/beatboxing was showcased and it was cool! Check out Mattisyahu: his Hassidic/Reggae/Rap fusion is brilliant. Here's a tip - listen to an unfamiliar style/genre more than once. I listen to music from all over the world. It takes time to appreciate the nuances that each style/genre brings. (Bluegrass is one of America's greatest contributions to music.)

      --
      Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
  59. As Elvis always said by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    When you git old, you ain't nothing but a hound-dog.

    1. Re:As Elvis always said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was also very keen on rabbit catching! In fact, he would base his friendships upon people's ability to catch rabbits.

  60. meh get off my lawn. by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    I gave up on pop music years ago when rap came out.
    Even though rap must still be VERY popular (because thats pretty much all I hear when listening to what's coming from other peoples cars at least here in AZ), I have absolutely no respect for and nothing at all in common with the prison/drug/gangasta culture or their values, so don't like the mindset that produces or likes rap, so I get literally nothing out of listening to it other than a stress headache.
    The problem is there appears to be almost nothing new that isn't rap, a derivative of it, or heavily inspired by it, except blatant commercial crap obviously targetted solely at teen girls.
    Furthermore the advent of technology in mainstream music has completely deemphasised the importance of skilled musicianship, and replaced it with a sound that is completely overproduced rather than live/natural.
      I'd go as far to say that even 80's punk had far better musicians on average than any of todays rap bands, and they were often trying to sound crap on purpose.

    That as much as anything is why I keep listening to the same old rock bands, even though I am myself bored with the lack of anything new to listen to.

  61. Popular Music != New Music by mike2006 · · Score: 1

    I am pushing 50 and never really liked much the garbage on the pop charts. I still want the same thing I wanted when I was young, a steady rotation of new music from a variety of the rock genres which today for me is mostly what is on the alternative or indie charts. I really do not understand how people can listen to the same tired old music over and over again. I visit the past as long as it has not been beaten to death, something I have not heard in awhile or something I have never heard before.

    The only way I may have calcified is with Country music. To my ears it died years ago. I can listen to Country from the 20s up until the 90s after that forget it unless it is Bluegrass.

  62. Re: I know that happened to me.@ by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Maybe if it was transcribed from your Revox 15 ips master.

    --
    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  63. Bring back local media outlet ownership? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Retail music stores have disappeared, MTV has faded into irrelevance...

    Also, let's not forget what deregulation of broadcasting, and dropping the ownership limitations has also done to our political process and musical diversity/opportunity.

    Except for some public and college stations locally owned broadcast outlets were pretty much all swallowed up.

  64. Streaming is my only hope by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    For new music, I get every single free song or album I can from every source I can. Google Play is a gold mine of free music.

    I've stopped getting "Explicit" music, I'm just not into sucka noiz any more.

    But I hear very little I want more of. I'm rediscovering the 60s-70s again.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
    1. Re:Streaming is my only hope by DNAgent · · Score: 1

      My greatest joy these days is discovering an album or even an entire artist's repertoire from the 70's that should be widely known and considered classic but somehow slipped through the cracks. It's amazing how much good music is out there from 40 years ago that so few have heard. Bittorrent is your friend.

  65. Not true at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My musical taste has varied over the years and certainly did not 'calcify' when I was in my 30's. I've always been open to a wide variety of music..like I say..anything from Mozart to Minaj. I've had periods where I would listen to more of one genre than another..like a period of top 40 in college, a period of progressive rock later in the 70's..then the disco of the era. Then a period of Motown, The 80's was more R&B, then in the 90's more classical (Beethoven epecially)..then back to R&B and hip hop in the 2000's along with music of the early to mid 20th century from Grofe, Gershwin, Delius as well as Rimsky Korsakoff (early 20th century). And at the same time enjoying Nicki Minaj, Beyonce, Charlie Wilson, Rihanna, Chrisette Michele and others. I'm now in my mid 60's..so any talk of one's tastes solidifiying at such an early age as 30 is total nonsense.

  66. My Kudos to /. for posting the... by Press2ToContinue · · Score: 1

    utter pap-smear inconsequentialultraconsesquentialwhothefuckcares surverytothestarsofrediculouspablum
    mmmm pablum

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    Sent from my ENIAC
  67. The Golden Age by GrahamCox · · Score: 1

    The Golden Age of popular music was 1955 - 1995. It's over. That's not to say that all modern music is rubbish, or that there won't be another equally phenomenal period in future, but that particular seam has been mined out.

  68. I hate the lack of dynamic range by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 1

    I feel that I does not often seek out new music anymore although I do come across new stuff I like from time to time.
    However the complete lack of dynamic range usually makes it a short relationship. I have CDs with music from the 40 years ago with more range than new music. (Yes I know cd wasn't around then)
    But beware of new remastered versions of old music as they like to butcher that too :(

  69. wimmens are very conformist by rightwingLeftist · · Score: 1

    men are bold adventurers, evolved to seek out new territories...

    --
    posting at http://leftistconservative.blogspot.com
  70. Silence! Your Very Premise Is Flawed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Moved to LA in 1981. Started listening to KXLU. Dead Head, Who Maniac, punk rocker, also embraced the whole psychedelic scene.

    Eno!

    And yet, in my dotage, I still listen to KXLU (and donate regularly), go to all the "real" bands from yesteryear (The Dead coming up in June, The Who in September) and go to all the really cool bands of today.

    If you musical tastes are "calcifying" you have other problems. Probably problems inside your head. Check inside your head. For problems.

    Rock and Roll is forever! And forever young...

  71. 70s on up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some new stuff gets on my play list but I also go back in time before I was born to listen to music. Not much in to country though unless your playing something like the Devil Down in Georgia or something.

  72. I used to be stuck on 60s & 70's music... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But there's a few new bands that have talent, not noise like most of the 90's through today. I'm 56 but still enjoy rare talent. Here's one of the new ones that catch my ear https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  73. Bad study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just because i think justin beiber is a fagot and drake is a untalented fuckface does not mean my musical tastes are "calcifying" or becoming "rigid". It just means I don't listen to fagot shit.

  74. SMELLY, DUMB by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BOOMER SCUM

  75. My progression by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in my early 40's so I grew up when MTV was first on the air - I started on there. I didn't like a whole lot of the music but I appreciated the synergy of visual and audio elements. I didn't start listening to just music until the Mid-80's but I was into old school rap - Eric B and Rakim, Eazy E, NWA, Stetsasonic, BDP, etc. In 1989 I was given an album that would change my life - Disintegration by the Cure. I began listening to Depeche Mode, The Cure, The Smiths, New Order, Siouxie, that late 80's early 90's alternative. Then grunge came out and pretty much took over the alternative scene I still dislike the whole sound. I started listening to early industrial bands like Ministry, My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult, NIN and Nitzer Ebb. I particularly liked Nitzer Ebb because it had some of the things I liked in rap music. I started delving into more obscure bands, and by the mid 1990's I was listening to almost exclusively gothic/industrial bands.i have gotten to the point that that sort of music is normal to me. I can't see/fathom listening to other stuff. Around 10 years ago I started listening to some metal bands.. mostly gothic metal. As I've grown older I find my tastes going toward more extreme harsh metal and industrial. Now pop music I don't just dislike I can't stand it. To the point of getting a headache... Meshuggah and Dawn of Ashes soothe me. Taylor Swift Rhianna, that sort of stuff make me really messed up in the head. The thing I like about the more obscure stuff is most of these bands are making music to make music. Especially in the industrial scene the big money isn't there. Pop music and even many of the rock and rap bands are manufactured to produce a steady stream of hits - the music is produced, refined, and marketed for maximum returns on investment. Image is more important than substance. I'm not saying all artists are like this but many of them are.

  76. 66 years old by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    I listen for beautiful music, preferably vocal. Well crafted music. I like Francoise Hardy and Patty Pravo for the voices, late ABBA for voices and the competently designed works.

    I reject tunelessness, hatefulness, howling or whiny or raspy voices, and people that think that yelling on-key is the same as singing (which describes most male pop singers).

    My taste hasn't so much changed over the years as it has refined. I find that I'm less willing to listen to dreck, and often have to resort to classical when there's no adequate pop to be found.

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  77. What's old is new again. by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

    My 35yo son recently sent me a clip of some god awful "rap artist" singing "Windmills of my mind" and asked me to listen to the lyrics, I sent him back the Dusty Springfield original so he could hear them.

    --
    And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
  78. whats with polar / r-theta graph? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

    Can any one give a reason for the graph being r-theta, or polar coordinate graph? This would have worked fine in a regular cartesian, or an X-Y graph.

    --
    Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
  79. it's interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what is interesting about classical music

    perawan

  80. It depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My fairly conservative wife became a metal head at 40+ starting from a normal radio "adult" taste. It was a concert on TV that started her interest. We started to go to concerts and she started to dress differently. I don't know if she ever will listen to jazz or to a string quartett, but an open mind and the internet, that gives you access to former "hidden" music, helped to make the pass from mere curiosity to a deeper involvement.

    Times are better, not worse now. There is much easier access to much more music. But it's much harder to find orientation because the material is sheer overwhelming.

  81. Basic Needs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men want to be individual, women want to belong.

  82. Our taste refines by ruir · · Score: 1

    As everything else. In music, movies, drinks, women. So where are the news, exactly?

  83. I'm not buying it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my experience, teenagers are the least open-minded listeners of all. My two daughters are a case in point. They used to be at least a little receptive to a variety of music when they were in elementary school. Now they refuse to listen to anything besides contemporary pop with Auto-Tune. When they branch out, they aren't looking for something different; they're looking for more pop crap that sounds like the narrow range of pop crap they already listen to.

  84. Does not compute, for me by DomNF15 · · Score: 1

    While I personally had a distaste for pop music starting in my early teens (I am male) I now (33 years old) find myself sometimes listening to some pop music songs on pupose while working out or going for a run. I do still listen to mostly non mainstream "rock" music, and have added newer bands to my playlist over the years, but find what I want to listen to is driven more by my mood or what I'm currently doing than by the generalization made in the article cited.

  85. Not taste, but exposure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have music from all different musicians. Classical, pop, foreign. One of my newer favorites is a song I heard when reading an old article about a Eurovision music contest. I can't understand a word the man is singing, but I love the tune, the guitars, and the composition. What we have lost is variety and exposure. You used to be able to go to a record store and hear all kinds of music, but today the record/music stores are gone. You only have radio and TV as your daily exposure to music, but they just play the same songs over and over.

  86. Think back to when you were twelve by PPalmgren · · Score: 1

    Every set of parents thinks their generation of music is the best, and that all kids should have to listen to all of it because they don't appreciate true good music. That was the same situation in the 30's, the 50's, the 70's, the 90's, and now. I'm 30 and love my 90's music like my parents loved their 70's music.

    The only thing I dislike about music today is this push that you have to be part of the 'culture' of the music to appreciate it. I love fast, heavy music that my brain has trouble keeping up with. Unfortunately, this means I can't go to a concert without feeling like an outcast unless I cover myself in piercings and tatoos, and get ridiculed for my passive listening style. It also means I get ridiculed for hating the unbearable growls that have infiltrated various sub-genres of metal. The further these sub-genres go is also the more likely that you'll be ostracized for liking any other type of music, and I listen to a good variety.

    There's a good satire song that kind of describes how I feel about a lot of music 'culture' - Rock n Roll Lifestyle by Cake.

  87. I decided not to let this happen to me, but it did by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    When I was around 9 years old, listening to the Beatles, I noticed that people only liked to listen to music from their era. I promised myself to keep up and to learn to appreciate new music trends - not like my foggy 30 year old parents who cursed rock-n-roll.

    But I could never appreciate rap, or Madonna.

  88. My musical tastes keep expanding by bigsexyjoe · · Score: 1

    While it's true that I am less interested in chart toppers, I am always moving and finding new styles of music. More extreme metal, folk, classical, jazz, blues, rap. I have much more diverse tastes than when I was young. And I do like new music if I think it's good.

  89. it's about priorities, and your personality by mezcalhead · · Score: 1
    I found this most interesting:

    Having a child effectively made people, on average, four years older than their real age in terms of musical tastes.

    I'm in my mid 40s and know more about music (emerging artists) now than I did 20 years ago. Part of that is because I don't have children and have been able to spend as much time as I want on discovering new music. I still see plenty of live shows where I'm standing around a bunch of 18-30 year olds seeing a band on their first national or international tour. Another part is that the internet makes it really easy to discover artists. You can follow various online playlists and let them do all the work for you. https://open.spotify.com/user/... (1 song per artist discovery playlist) https://open.spotify.com/user/... (indie rock favorite songs of 2014) End the end, you have to be open to discovering new music and give it time to grow on you. If I hear something and think, "it's ok." There is a decent chance it'll get better with repeated listens. In fact, most of my favorite albums took time to grow on me. The songs that turn me off right away rarely/never will appeal to me with more time.

  90. accurate by CauseBy · · Score: 1

    I only read the excerpt here, but that definitely describes me. As a kid I heard music on the radio, by the time I went off to college I'd decided that radio was shit, I branched out in my 20s, and I'm now in my mid 30s listening to the results of that branching.

    So far, though, I've still maintained a promise to myself I made when I first gave up radio, in 1997 or so, that I'd never stop looking for new music. I promised myself that I wouldn't listen to the music of my youth for my whole life. So far, so good, but I have a long way to go.

  91. My: I know that happened to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My Nikon d3000 lasted for 3 months on all the time because I set it down and hadn't used it and forgot to turn it off. That day prior to setting it down I took about 3000 pictures half of them with flash.

  92. Tastes haven't really changed. by SirMasterboy · · Score: 1

    I listened mostly to Jazz and Classical since I was about 12 and being 27 now it's still what I mostly listen to.

  93. I've shifted too much. by Methadras · · Score: 1

    I went from 70's rock/disco then later to punk in the late 70's to new wave in the 80's, hair metal in the mid-80's, detested grunge throughout it's short and useless life and basically graduated to electronica/house and various forms of metal ever since and haven't looked back. Skipped pop and modern hip-hop too. Although the classic hip-hop i still enjoy.

  94. The 1920's Radio Network by tmjva · · Score: 1

    Public Radio has dedicated some stations to Big Band Era calling it The 1920's Radio Network. (It also contains Big Band era.)

    I think it is the only place you'll hear Satchmo and Ella on the airwaves anymore. I never realized Satchmo sang Swanee until I heard it with mine own ears.

    First time I heard Rosie the Riveter Song too. Sorry to hear the poster model died the other week.

    And if it matters to the question at hand, I'm in my late fifties. (Note how good my grammar and spelling are.)

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