"The fact is that human activity has an impact on the environment. Given that, the pragmatic question is how much can mother nature "take for the team." The answer? some, definately, without causing any harm."
Well said, and I would like to think that the EPA works as well in this case as it seems to have done at your plant.
The bong-head lobby is probably big enough to get tobacco companies to sell joints at supermarkets. The problem isn't addiction, it's...hmmmmmm...chocolate...what was I saying...oh yeah...big lobby....massive building eh, which one did you say it was?
"There may be one or three people on the entire Slashdot, who know, what can and can not be done with this waste... The rest are just venting."
You are probably right about the 3 people and "the rest" not having a clue about BP's problem. But "the rest" do KNOW it should not be dumped in a public waterway. Imperfect treatment is not a valid excuse for no treatment, if it was then people would be allowed to shit on the sidewalk.
Also while I am not "anti-nuke", wind power is a much better alternative in terms of price and energy independence for the US (price: each time the installed base of wind farms doubles the price per windmill drops 15%). Of course nuclear reators and wind farms won't dent the popularity of SUV's but both methods would make possible zero emmisions from electric cars. The EU's mandatory bio-deisel targets are a bad move - take a look at Borneo's palm oil plantations and their drive to be the world's #1 exporter.
I do agree with the main point of your post, cheap petrol = "Financing unwholesome governments and terrorism abroad, or polluting your own lakes". In the 90's I read an article in SciAM that predicted extracting oil from oil sand would be commerically viable by 2010 due to the rising value (in real terms) of crude oil, seems to me we got to that point faster than expected (due to lowering standards?).
No one had seen a live one, dead ones wash up on the shore quite reqularly in Tassie and NZ although I belive this was the first one found on Tasmania's west coast.
The guy sitting next to me at work recently fixed a bug in a mainframe app, nothing unusual except the bug had gone unoticed since 1992! It spun me out, it's by far the oldest bug I have heard off in my 20yrs of experience.
My somewhat obscure point is that copyright is a "side issue". Most of the money in coding is servicing/enhancing products already in production (be they free or shackled), remeber that software cannot give companies a "competitive edge" over rivals if they both use the same shrink wrapped solutions.
"What would really catch my attention is a robot that gradually learns how to crawl, walk and run on its own, from scratch, just like humans do."
Except that 18yrs later it gets drunk and smashes your flying-car forcing you go down to the station in the middle of the night where you get to deal with the cop-bots, admin-bots, legal-bots, insurance-bots,...
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What I was trying to say is that for someone like me who is "too dim" to spend all his time understanding the in's and out's of Sony's bussiness dealings, your post just looks like something the Riddler would write. It doesn't have a point unless you assume the reader has a thorough background in the subject.
BTW: The arroganance displayed in your reply is the saddest of all slashdot clichés.
That's an excellent theory. It reminds me of a movie where the main character makes a fortune at the track by betting against horses his "loser" friends recommend.
In Australia we had a xenophobic MP who famously replied "please explain" to an accusation of xenaphobia. She was as dumb as dogshit and is good evidence that under our system we still get wako's in postions of power. However she never garnered more than ~5% of the general population outside her electorate and was basically laughed out of office - evidence that there is at least some merit in our system.
"misinformed/uninformed voting"
Now I know AC's don't reply but can anyone "please explain" how the above quote is possible in a democracy - surely ANY rationale for voting is just as valid as ANY other.
OTOH: It could well be that in a "perfect democracy" we would still have to put up with the likes of Hamas, Howard, Bush, Pauline Hanson and Olmert. (Names in order of their electrol support, not military might).
Just for the record, the "urban heat island" is a well documented phenomena that has already been accounted for, but there is always room for improvement in the estimation of such a difficult bias to measure.
"When climate scientists find data that does not support global warming, they keep analyzing and compensating for it until it shows global warming. Basically they operate off of the premise that there is global warming and then adjust data that doesn't support it until it does....I'm not in denial. I can just see it for what it is."
And yet you expect us to belive that your venomous rant is not soley designed to make YOU "feel better"?
"I've never said once that global warming does not exist"
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you had.
"I've simply stated that the potential effects of global warming have been exaggerated"
Yes and they have also been trivialised, but not by the IPCC and therefore by implication not by Gore.
"the wrong solutions are being considered by those scientists to the problem of global warming"
Solutions are in the realm of politics (eg: killing everyone in the northern hemisphere would fix it). The best science can do is advise those who come up with the "solutions". That is why the IPCC released the SPM (Summary for Policy Makers) since those who "solve" the problem must first be aware of what the problem is before they can weigh it against the harm the "solution" may cause. Biodessiel from Borneo is one such example of destruction by good intentions.
In my mind that makes the political interference even more obvious than it already is/was.
If an ex-MD can be invited and introduced to the senate as a "climate expert" based on a work of FICTION he created, why does the government's top doctor and others such as Jim Hansen (climatologist and head of NOAA) get sidelined/censored?
I have read that before and yes it does have some points raised by "skeptics".
"but the human contribution itself has not been quantitatively assessed
Checkout the attribution diagram, figure SPM-2 in the IPCC 2007 SPM.....seems wikipedia got it wrong on a contraversial subject!
Also check out this site, you will find Pielke often comments on articles and is a hand full of skeptics who does have some valid points but tends to view everything in a political light.
Also the "dispute" you quote is about the effects of AGW on specific hurricane basins, they are not disputing AGW itself. The fact remains that Gore is reporting the "best science available" not "every opinion available", there is no doubt that as the globe warms the climate will become more turbulent (anyone could "guess" that much from basic physics).
Al Gore does not "put me off", since I am not from the US his politcs are irrelevant to me. If you want to attack the IPCC then why don't you start with a real problem such as the "missing methane". However if you want to discredit it's scientific methods and conclusions by portraying it as an adgenda driven political body then I am simply not interested in what you have to say because I've heard it all before.
Al Gore did not come up with the information in his movie, the IPCC did. What I would like to know is who do people who poo-poo Gore think we should listen too?
Jim Hansen does know a thing or two about climate, yet he also recieved similar treatment.
For the record: Gore originally attacked Hansen's assertions on climate change in the senate, Hansen and NOAA are both contributors to the IPCC reports.
"...we should question why anybody listens to Al Gore on the subject"
No we shouldn't, I listened to you and you have ZERO credibility. Science has no political or personal boundries, that is what TFA is all about.
Please provide some evidence of where Al Gore says something that is not supported by the IPCC reports. Since you have researched this you will already know that the IPCC reports are conservative in their estimation of future impacts.
OTOH: I do agree over-population is the root cause of our intractable problems.
"It's frightening watching woodworking tools that can tolerate/handle steel."
There is also an old trick where you can put a normal circular saw blade in backwards to cut corrogated iron roofing, it works but it also makes an unbearable noise.
BTW: It doesn't do the saw any good, they don't like the metal bits in the motor windings.
Many moons ago I worked at a sawmill, the wood chipper would get blocked on a regular basis and required a crowbar to unblock it. I was not the first person to try and blend the crowbar. These (accidental) experiments demonstrated that crowbars don't blend easily, but you can slice the end off one if you have several tons of flywheel behind the blade.
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"The fact is that human activity has an impact on the environment. Given that, the pragmatic question is how much can mother nature "take for the team." The answer? some, definately, without causing any harm."
Well said, and I would like to think that the EPA works as well in this case as it seems to have done at your plant.
The bong-head lobby is probably big enough to get tobacco companies to sell joints at supermarkets. The problem isn't addiction, it's...hmmmmmm...chocolate...what was I saying...oh yeah...big lobby....massive building eh, which one did you say it was?
"There may be one or three people on the entire Slashdot, who know, what can and can not be done with this waste... The rest are just venting."
You are probably right about the 3 people and "the rest" not having a clue about BP's problem. But "the rest" do KNOW it should not be dumped in a public waterway. Imperfect treatment is not a valid excuse for no treatment, if it was then people would be allowed to shit on the sidewalk.
Also while I am not "anti-nuke", wind power is a much better alternative in terms of price and energy independence for the US (price: each time the installed base of wind farms doubles the price per windmill drops 15%). Of course nuclear reators and wind farms won't dent the popularity of SUV's but both methods would make possible zero emmisions from electric cars. The EU's mandatory bio-deisel targets are a bad move - take a look at Borneo's palm oil plantations and their drive to be the world's #1 exporter.
I do agree with the main point of your post, cheap petrol = "Financing unwholesome governments and terrorism abroad, or polluting your own lakes". In the 90's I read an article in SciAM that predicted extracting oil from oil sand would be commerically viable by 2010 due to the rising value (in real terms) of crude oil, seems to me we got to that point faster than expected (due to lowering standards?).
"only a smell in my opinion if they are hard to read"
A friend of mine used to say: "Source code is like shit, it stinks when it's not yours."
Human interactions have evolved to a point where one must become a control freak to be free.
"What doesn't only work within boundaries?"
The current US administration.
"no one had even seen one of these monsters"
No one had seen a live one, dead ones wash up on the shore quite reqularly in Tassie and NZ although I belive this was the first one found on Tasmania's west coast.
The guy sitting next to me at work recently fixed a bug in a mainframe app, nothing unusual except the bug had gone unoticed since 1992! It spun me out, it's by far the oldest bug I have heard off in my 20yrs of experience.
My somewhat obscure point is that copyright is a "side issue". Most of the money in coding is servicing/enhancing products already in production (be they free or shackled), remeber that software cannot give companies a "competitive edge" over rivals if they both use the same shrink wrapped solutions.
"What would really catch my attention is a robot that gradually learns how to crawl, walk and run on its own, from scratch, just like humans do."
Except that 18yrs later it gets drunk and smashes your flying-car forcing you go down to the station in the middle of the night where you get to deal with the cop-bots, admin-bots, legal-bots, insurance-bots,...
What I was trying to say is that for someone like me who is "too dim" to spend all his time understanding the in's and out's of Sony's bussiness dealings, your post just looks like something the Riddler would write. It doesn't have a point unless you assume the reader has a thorough background in the subject.
BTW: The arroganance displayed in your reply is the saddest of all slashdot clichés.
That's an excellent theory. It reminds me of a movie where the main character makes a fortune at the track by betting against horses his "loser" friends recommend.
Ouch.
I must admit I was working from memory and I didn't check my own sources. Not sure where I got it from, a google search only gets a few dozen hits.
Your post interests me, does your newsletter explain WTF it means?
Oddly enough Dilbert's creator spent some 17yrs inside an IBM cube.
In Australia we had a xenophobic MP who famously replied "please explain" to an accusation of xenaphobia. She was as dumb as dogshit and is good evidence that under our system we still get wako's in postions of power. However she never garnered more than ~5% of the general population outside her electorate and was basically laughed out of office - evidence that there is at least some merit in our system.
"misinformed/uninformed voting"
Now I know AC's don't reply but can anyone "please explain" how the above quote is possible in a democracy - surely ANY rationale for voting is just as valid as ANY other.
OTOH: It could well be that in a "perfect democracy" we would still have to put up with the likes of Hamas, Howard, Bush, Pauline Hanson and Olmert. (Names in order of their electrol support, not military might).
Well said.
Just for the record, the "urban heat island" is a well documented phenomena that has already been accounted for, but there is always room for improvement in the estimation of such a difficult bias to measure.
"When climate scientists find data that does not support global warming, they keep analyzing and compensating for it until it shows global warming. Basically they operate off of the premise that there is global warming and then adjust data that doesn't support it until it does....I'm not in denial. I can just see it for what it is."
And yet you expect us to belive that your venomous rant is not soley designed to make YOU "feel better"?
"I've never said once that global warming does not exist"
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply you had.
"I've simply stated that the potential effects of global warming have been exaggerated"
Yes and they have also been trivialised, but not by the IPCC and therefore by implication not by Gore.
"the wrong solutions are being considered by those scientists to the problem of global warming"
Solutions are in the realm of politics (eg: killing everyone in the northern hemisphere would fix it). The best science can do is advise those who come up with the "solutions". That is why the IPCC released the SPM (Summary for Policy Makers) since those who "solve" the problem must first be aware of what the problem is before they can weigh it against the harm the "solution" may cause. Biodessiel from Borneo is one such example of destruction by good intentions.
"Michael Crichton IS/WAS a real doctor."
In my mind that makes the political interference even more obvious than it already is/was.
If an ex-MD can be invited and introduced to the senate as a "climate expert" based on a work of FICTION he created, why does the government's top doctor and others such as Jim Hansen (climatologist and head of NOAA) get sidelined/censored?
I have read that before and yes it does have some points raised by "skeptics".
"but the human contribution itself has not been quantitatively assessed
Checkout the attribution diagram, figure SPM-2 in the IPCC 2007 SPM.....seems wikipedia got it wrong on a contraversial subject!
Also check out this site, you will find Pielke often comments on articles and is a hand full of skeptics who does have some valid points but tends to view everything in a political light.
Also the "dispute" you quote is about the effects of AGW on specific hurricane basins, they are not disputing AGW itself. The fact remains that Gore is reporting the "best science available" not "every opinion available", there is no doubt that as the globe warms the climate will become more turbulent (anyone could "guess" that much from basic physics).
Al Gore does not "put me off", since I am not from the US his politcs are irrelevant to me. If you want to attack the IPCC then why don't you start with a real problem such as the "missing methane". However if you want to discredit it's scientific methods and conclusions by portraying it as an adgenda driven political body then I am simply not interested in what you have to say because I've heard it all before.
Al Gore did not come up with the information in his movie, the IPCC did. What I would like to know is who do people who poo-poo Gore think we should listen too?
Jim Hansen does know a thing or two about climate, yet he also recieved similar treatment.
For the record: Gore originally attacked Hansen's assertions on climate change in the senate, Hansen and NOAA are both contributors to the IPCC reports.
"...we should question why anybody listens to Al Gore on the subject"
No we shouldn't, I listened to you and you have ZERO credibility. Science has no political or personal boundries, that is what TFA is all about.
Please provide some evidence of where Al Gore says something that is not supported by the IPCC reports. Since you have researched this you will already know that the IPCC reports are conservative in their estimation of future impacts.
OTOH: I do agree over-population is the root cause of our intractable problems.
"It's frightening watching woodworking tools that can tolerate/handle steel."
There is also an old trick where you can put a normal circular saw blade in backwards to cut corrogated iron roofing, it works but it also makes an unbearable noise.
BTW: It doesn't do the saw any good, they don't like the metal bits in the motor windings.
Many moons ago I worked at a sawmill, the wood chipper would get blocked on a regular basis and required a crowbar to unblock it. I was not the first person to try and blend the crowbar. These (accidental) experiments demonstrated that crowbars don't blend easily, but you can slice the end off one if you have several tons of flywheel behind the blade.
Perhaps: "have not been removed" means "filtered before added".