Dude you must be trolling or work for MS because you have to KNOW what you are saying is all BS. So I am giving up after this, you win.
1. Why would I want to go to keyboard shortcuts in a graphical OS? Different has to be better or at least not moving in reverse. You are giving me inferior work arounds to get to features I had in 7.
2. Perfect! 4 little squares vs infinite full screen/half screen/quarter screen/ 1/16 screen, whichever I wanted, that I can switch between with the click of the mouse. Worse.
3. I don't want an app store at all. Microsoft does to make money. It is a shill for MS and again it does nothing for me.
As another poster stated, different/new is great if it does something better or gives me a better "something".
Unusable is the term I use. Tell me how it is better unless you are using a touch screen.
I want to do work. I don't want to all this touch screen, corners garbage. I want to have Chrome open, and the App store open at the same time. I can't do that. I have to switch between the Desktop and the "thingy" interface. Why? I have a huge screen for a reason, so that I can have multiple programs I am using open at one time. Anything that is written for windows 8 runs in the "thingy". I want Netflix running down in the corner on top of everything else. How do I do that? If there is a way to do it without a bunch of hacks, it is worse.
I am sure that they are quite familiar of the constitution and had a very clear understanding of the laws dealing with wiretapping as they deal with warrants for information everyday.
They knew exactly what they were doing and that it was illegal.
You missed the second part of my comment. Just like when IT exploded a number of years back, you had hordes of people come into IT with no interest in technology other than getting a big paycheck.
The core people at Mozilla I am sure are good, moral people, but the new workers/bosses that will creep in will not be, and that usually has the secondary effect of driving out the good people as well.
I disagree as well. Unfortunately, very few people continue to do "the right thing" when there is money to be made to not do "the right thing", i.e. insert ads, stop blocking certain pop-ups, add propriatary code. I am not saying this will happen, but up until now the insentive for adoption has been the opposite of what the insentives will be now.
Also, when money becomes available, like flies to shit, people whose only interest is money immediatly try to get involved and usually succeed.
If I sell a gun and all my ads say, "Kids, you can kill your parents tonight with our new Blasto 350", I am encouraging murder. "Kids download all your favorite songs for free with Grokster." I am encouraging copyright infringement, (according to current copyright interpretation.) That is clearly illegal. (MPAA/RIAA and the Grokster-ilk are both equivalent whores in my book, since they are all trying to make money off of someone elses sweat.)
You could also see how programs that might preload searches of "Currently Showing Hollywood films", are just begging you to download copyrighted material.
On the other hand, a program like eMule, Freenet, etc. is clearly very generic and doesn't care what you download or share, and makes no money off of it.
I see nothing in this that effects Bittorrent, eMule, or the other non-profit file sharing apps at all.
I thought for sure when I saw they had ruled against Grokster that the reading of their ruling would break my heart, yet instead, I feel all the bad people are hurt by this, and the good are unharmed. (Citizens can continue to download and share what they wish to, MPAA/RIAA will continue in the precipitous downfall, and Grokster-leaches will go out of business.)
If it was private when I am alive, it is still private after I am dead. I might say things to a sister about my dad, that I wouldn't necessarily want him to read.
I write stuff to a girlfriend I sure the hell wouldn't want my mother reading, even after I am dead.
If I wanted them to read it, I would have cc'd them. Everyone here would sure bitch if they gave a copy of your email to your mom while you were alive, why is it OK when you are dead? I don't get the logic.
I could see them resending all my emails to everyone they originally were addressed to, if the recipients had deleted them and wanted them back, but that is as far as I would go.
In my opinion the purpose of photographs is to keep a permanent record. I'm 38, so with this stuff, my childhood would be fading to black in front of my eyes. I'll stick with real chemical process photo prints until then.
Maybe if you have a choice of MIT grad vs. Podunk Hollow Community College. you would go with MIT but I don't know that that choice is common. I think that normally you have 3 resumes from say U. of Missouri, U. of Arizona, Albion College, and that that doesn't weigh in your choice. It doesn't mine, anyway. "Degree or not to degree" is not what they guy is asking, although some people are answering it that way. I look at the degree as an indicator that they CS knowledge is broader than just a programmer, and a mark of dedication but the experience is what I hire.
Peter Arnett is not a reliable source at all. Remember why he got fired? For a nutty conspiracy story about the army poisoning its own people. Lets say it was a milk factory and not a weapons place. So what. Mistakes happen in wars all the time. Suppose it wasn't a mistake and they are lying. Why? If it is a conspiracy, what is their other motive for blowing up a baby milk factory?
Chalabi/Square guy: First off, yours is the first I have hear of this. Second, there is more than one chubby, bearded, male resident of Iraq. That guy looks like 50 other people in the crowd as well. And thirdly, if he is the Chalabi guy, wouldn't you expect him to cheer at the statue coming down? I am not sure what the conspiracy is? So there is a Chalabi guy in the crowd cheering, so what.
The only valid "fake" is the incubator story. But so what again. There are always stories in war about the other buy being terrible. The Iraqi's said the US was spying on women changing with their night vision scopes to make us look bad. We say women hide guns under their burka's. We both say the other fires indiscriminantly into crowds. I am sure there some truths behind all of these, but they are exceptions. War is bad, people lie, innocent people die, but you are listing nutty conspiracies. There are a lot of valid ones like who knew what about the fake WMD intelligence, who approved the Abu Graibe prisoner treatment, etc.
I am sure all the lawyers are well aware of the legality of the parodies. Their hope is that the person receiving the cease and desist does not. You'll note that after the Mastercard incident, nothing more was heard from the lawyers, as will happen here.
Why waste money paying your own whores, when simply rubbing their face in it accomplishes the same thing.
1) In regards to getting artists on board, their solution for people who don't want to participate says to me: don't join, and don't get money while people take your music, and fellow artists get paid for your work. That's harsh. What if the artist has an issue with the collection agency?
But the music/record/distribution world that we knew before, is gone. People are downloading their stuff for free anyway right now. For better or worse, the consumer has them over a barrel now for the first time, and they (artists, record companies) are no longer in a position to dictate. They don't really have a choice anymore, and that may not seem fair to them in comparison to what they were used to before.
The lawsuits are fleas on a dog. Temporary annoyance, but nothing more.
There will no longer be a "buy a CD, listen to a CD". There is never going to be, "Oh, I like one song on that CD but I have to spend my only $15 on it," which is what they liked. I can't predict have everything will shake out, but I know it is going to be very messy.
And about your number 2, isn't the difference with New Napster that with this there is no licensing agreement with only certain artists or record companies? I don't get just a choice of Britney and Eminem, I can download Minor Threat, Berlioz, or whatever.
About 3. That concerns me as well. It sounded to me like you got to keep it, but it sure didn't make that clear.
Well, I went to a public school in the good ole US and I had heard of them. In fact, in 10th grade, (1982) I wrote a Sci Fi story about people going to the moon because of a nuclear accident in the middle east that was polluting the world. The people who were there for a long time, decided to kill time by going and finding one of the Apollo landing sites. When they arrived there, they found pieces torn off of the US moon rover and other US items left behind. Curious, they followed a pair of small wheel tracks over a ridge or two, and found the little Soviet rover dead in its tracks as well, in a failed attempt to steal some of our secrets.
Where is that paper? I thing I got an A on that thing.;)
You are correct, taking hostages is never justified and I didn't mean to imply that. Angry people do things they shouldn't. I don't like when the US does it either. Adults shouldn't act like fourth graders saying "He started it!"
Yes, people tend to be very sensitive about Israel. Without getting into a whole thing about Isreal as it tends to escalate, I put Israel in there because they really are not a democratic society. I don't believe anyone in the occupied territories have had been allowed to vote ever, including the 30 plus years Isreal has controlled them. Voting is the 1 fundamental element of democracy. Self determination is not an prize only given out for good behavior.
As far as the land issue goes, I don't blame Isreal, but the UN. The land simply belonged to someone else before they got there. If I am not mistaken, the creation of Isreal was the one of the first acts of the UN. A group of western leaders got together and decided that land people had been living and working on for generations, now belonged to some other people. (I am talking on an individual arab farmer level, not saying that Palistine was a proper state at the time.) Jews, deserving people or not, should not have been given land that was not the UN's to give away. That is immoral.
I have no hatred for any religion. They are all equal in my mind, and I hold each of them to the same standard, reguardless of history or merit. That is what this country was founded on. Mutts and purebreds, bums and Presidents each get one vote.
I am a American from the mid-west, just so we know who is talking here.:)
Everything you state is true except the part about not creating the atmosphere in the region. Although the Iranians continued a hostile posture towards the US, it was in response to our support of the wholely evil Mohammad Rezah Shaw who was monarch/dictator of Iran for several decades (and his father before him in a line that lasted 2500 yrs I believe) as he treated his people like trash. We knew he treated them like trash, and we looked the other way, and supplied him with military aid to continue the oppression of the Iranian people. So they were a little bitter at us once they threw him out on his ass. Something us Americans would typically cheer about.
The one overriding flaw I personally see in the US government is our long standing support of evil rulers, or rebels, in other countries that we see as benefitting us in some way. Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Isreal, South Africa, and the list goes on.
And before anyone else from other countries jumps on this saying "Yeah, the US sucks!" your god-damned country does the same or worse reguardless of who you are so don't get all high and mighty. It is inherent in politicians who cross the line from doing what is best for their countries interests, to doing something bad to someone else because it benefits you.
And this is my personal opinion. Despite our many flaws, the US really does try and want to be the greatest country in the world. Name another country that has done more good and less harm. Our ratio is the best, I think.
George Bush, God bless is pea sized brain rattling in that empty skull, really does do what he thinks is best. But coming from a very sheltered, affluent, black and white world that he does, he is wrong 75% of the time. And he has no diplomatic skills at all. Reagan could at least charm people while screwing them. Bush just tells them to shove it.
Without giving an opinion either pro or anti, I just want to point out that logically speaking the argument you posted is extremely weak. Do you see no other difference between Vermont and NY/D.C./Chicago other than their gun laws that might account for crime rates variations?
I didn't see the bad part. Was it the fact that if you decide to use GPL stuff you have to "pay" for it with your modifications? Heaven forfend! What could be more antithetical to GPL than a group like Forbes? I am amazed that it was so positive. It stated the FSF position clearing. It just seems like the author has heard a lot about Linux, but just read the actual GPL text and didn't like what he saw. It is all your perspective on socialism and everyone should already know where Forbes stands.
I thought they should have based the whole movie on the dad, because he was by far the funniest part of the movie. I guess it kind of turned into the Austen Powers film.
I do too. It strikes me strange that it would be chosen for a knock when it is better than 95% of the other crap out there. It's no Simpsons but I could pull 50 shitier shows off the top of my head.
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Dude you must be trolling or work for MS because you have to KNOW what you are saying is all BS. So I am giving up after this, you win.
1. Why would I want to go to keyboard shortcuts in a graphical OS? Different has to be better or at least not moving in reverse. You are giving me inferior work arounds to get to features I had in 7.
2. Perfect! 4 little squares vs infinite full screen/half screen/quarter screen/ 1/16 screen, whichever I wanted, that I can switch between with the click of the mouse. Worse.
3. I don't want an app store at all. Microsoft does to make money. It is a shill for MS and again it does nothing for me.
As another poster stated, different/new is great if it does something better or gives me a better "something".
1. I can turn it off and then how do I do anything? There is no other method.
2. That is two applications. I currently while typing, have 5 applications open. This can't be done.
3. I don't want to run in a browser, I want the native app. You are offering workarounds for an unusable desktop OS
You prove my point exactly. In all case, it is worse that 7. Thanks for the response anyway.
Unusable is the term I use. Tell me how it is better unless you are using a touch screen.
I want to do work. I don't want to all this touch screen, corners garbage. I want to have Chrome open, and the App store open at the same time. I can't do that. I have to switch between the Desktop and the "thingy" interface. Why? I have a huge screen for a reason, so that I can have multiple programs I am using open at one time. Anything that is written for windows 8 runs in the "thingy". I want Netflix running down in the corner on top of everything else. How do I do that? If there is a way to do it without a bunch of hacks, it is worse.
I am sure that they are quite familiar of the constitution and had a very clear understanding of the laws dealing with wiretapping as they deal with warrants for information everyday.
They knew exactly what they were doing and that it was illegal.
You missed the second part of my comment. Just like when IT exploded a number of years back, you had hordes of people come into IT with no interest in technology other than getting a big paycheck.
The core people at Mozilla I am sure are good, moral people, but the new workers/bosses that will creep in will not be, and that usually has the secondary effect of driving out the good people as well.
I disagree as well. Unfortunately, very few people continue to do "the right thing" when there is money to be made to not do "the right thing", i.e. insert ads, stop blocking certain pop-ups, add propriatary code. I am not saying this will happen, but up until now the insentive for adoption has been the opposite of what the insentives will be now.
Also, when money becomes available, like flies to shit, people whose only interest is money immediatly try to get involved and usually succeed.
Yet, I do.
If I sell a gun and all my ads say, "Kids, you can kill your parents tonight with our new Blasto 350", I am encouraging murder. "Kids download all your favorite songs for free with Grokster." I am encouraging copyright infringement, (according to current copyright interpretation.)
That is clearly illegal. (MPAA/RIAA and the Grokster-ilk are both equivalent whores in my book, since they are all trying to make money off of someone elses sweat.)
You could also see how programs that might preload searches of "Currently Showing Hollywood films", are just begging you to download copyrighted material.
On the other hand, a program like eMule, Freenet, etc. is clearly very generic and doesn't care what you download or share, and makes no money off of it.
I see nothing in this that effects Bittorrent, eMule, or the other non-profit file sharing apps at all.
I thought for sure when I saw they had ruled against Grokster that the reading of their ruling would break my heart, yet instead, I feel all the bad people are hurt by this, and the good are unharmed. (Citizens can continue to download and share what they wish to, MPAA/RIAA will continue in the precipitous downfall, and Grokster-leaches will go out of business.)
"Good would be Dell selling OS X."
If it was private when I am alive, it is still private after I am dead. I might say things to a sister about my dad, that I wouldn't necessarily want him to read.
I write stuff to a girlfriend I sure the hell wouldn't want my mother reading, even after I am dead.
If I wanted them to read it, I would have cc'd them. Everyone here would sure bitch if they gave a copy of your email to your mom while you were alive, why is it OK when you are dead? I don't get the logic.
I could see them resending all my emails to everyone they originally were addressed to, if the recipients had deleted them and wanted them back, but that is as far as I would go.
In my opinion the purpose of photographs is to keep a permanent record. I'm 38, so with this stuff, my childhood would be fading to black in front of my eyes.
I'll stick with real chemical process photo prints until then.
Maybe if you have a choice of MIT grad vs. Podunk Hollow Community College. you would go with MIT but I don't know that that choice is common. I think that normally you have 3 resumes from say U. of Missouri, U. of Arizona, Albion College, and that that doesn't weigh in your choice. It doesn't mine, anyway.
"Degree or not to degree" is not what they guy is asking, although some people are answering it that way. I look at the degree as an indicator that they CS knowledge is broader than just a programmer, and a mark of dedication but the experience is what I hire.
Peter Arnett is not a reliable source at all. Remember why he got fired? For a nutty conspiracy story about the army poisoning its own people. Lets say it was a milk factory and not a weapons place. So what. Mistakes happen in wars all the time. Suppose it wasn't a mistake and they are lying. Why? If it is a conspiracy, what is their other motive for blowing up a baby milk factory?
Chalabi/Square guy: First off, yours is the first I have hear of this. Second, there is more than one chubby, bearded, male resident of Iraq. That guy looks like 50 other people in the crowd as well. And thirdly, if he is the Chalabi guy, wouldn't you expect him to cheer at the statue coming down? I am not sure what the conspiracy is? So there is a Chalabi guy in the crowd cheering, so what.
The only valid "fake" is the incubator story. But so what again. There are always stories in war about the other buy being terrible. The Iraqi's said the US was spying on women changing with their night vision scopes to make us look bad. We say women hide guns under their burka's. We both say the other fires indiscriminantly into crowds. I am sure there some truths behind all of these, but they are exceptions. War is bad, people lie, innocent people die, but you are listing nutty conspiracies. There are a lot of valid ones like who knew what about the fake WMD intelligence, who approved the Abu Graibe prisoner treatment, etc.
Use your energies better.
I am sure all the lawyers are well aware of the legality of the parodies. Their hope is that the person receiving the cease and desist does not.
You'll note that after the Mastercard incident, nothing more was heard from the lawyers, as will happen here.
Why waste money paying your own whores, when simply rubbing their face in it accomplishes the same thing.
1) In regards to getting artists on board, their solution for people who don't want to participate says to me: don't join, and don't get money while people take your music, and fellow artists get paid for your work. That's harsh. What if the artist has an issue with the collection agency?
But the music/record/distribution world that we knew before, is gone. People are downloading their stuff for free anyway right now. For better or worse, the consumer has them over a barrel now for the first time, and they (artists, record companies) are no longer in a position to dictate. They don't really have a choice anymore, and that may not seem fair to them in comparison to what they were used to before.
The lawsuits are fleas on a dog. Temporary annoyance, but nothing more.
There will no longer be a "buy a CD, listen to a CD". There is never going to be, "Oh, I like one song on that CD but I have to spend my only $15 on it," which is what they liked. I can't predict have everything will shake out, but I know it is going to be very messy.
And about your number 2, isn't the difference with New Napster that with this there is no licensing agreement with only certain artists or record companies? I don't get just a choice of Britney and Eminem, I can download Minor Threat, Berlioz, or whatever.
About 3. That concerns me as well. It sounded to me like you got to keep it, but it sure didn't make that clear.
Somebody mod this guy down, he doesn't know what he is talking about. ;)
Well, I went to a public school in the good ole US and I had heard of them.
;)
In fact, in 10th grade, (1982) I wrote a Sci Fi story about people going to the moon because of a nuclear accident in the middle east that was polluting the world. The people who were there for a long time, decided to kill time by going and finding one of the Apollo landing sites. When they arrived there, they found pieces torn off of the US moon rover and other US items left behind. Curious, they followed a pair of small wheel tracks over a ridge or two, and found the little Soviet rover dead in its tracks as well, in a failed attempt to steal some of our secrets.
Where is that paper? I thing I got an A on that thing.
After reading your remarks, I don't feel you have an unbiased enough opinion to make this conversation worth continuing any longer.
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You are correct, taking hostages is never justified and I didn't mean to imply that. Angry people do things they shouldn't. I don't like when the US does it either. Adults shouldn't act like fourth graders saying "He started it!"
Yes, people tend to be very sensitive about Israel. Without getting into a whole thing about Isreal as it tends to escalate, I put Israel in there because they really are not a democratic society. I don't believe anyone in the occupied territories have had been allowed to vote ever, including the 30 plus years Isreal has controlled them. Voting is the 1 fundamental element of democracy. Self determination is not an prize only given out for good behavior.
As far as the land issue goes, I don't blame Isreal, but the UN. The land simply belonged to someone else before they got there. If I am not mistaken, the creation of Isreal was the one of the first acts of the UN. A group of western leaders got together and decided that land people had been living and working on for generations, now belonged to some other people. (I am talking on an individual arab farmer level, not saying that Palistine was a proper state at the time.) Jews, deserving people or not, should not have been given land that was not the UN's to give away. That is immoral.
I have no hatred for any religion. They are all equal in my mind, and I hold each of them to the same standard, reguardless of history or merit. That is what this country was founded on. Mutts and purebreds, bums and Presidents each get one vote.
I am a American from the mid-west, just so we know who is talking here. :)
Everything you state is true except the part about not creating the atmosphere in the region. Although the Iranians continued a hostile posture towards the US, it was in response to our support of the wholely evil Mohammad Rezah Shaw who was monarch/dictator of Iran for several decades (and his father before him in a line that lasted 2500 yrs I believe) as he treated his people like trash. We knew he treated them like trash, and we looked the other way, and supplied him with military aid to continue the oppression of the Iranian people. So they were a little bitter at us once they threw him out on his ass. Something us Americans would typically cheer about.
The one overriding flaw I personally see in the US government is our long standing support of evil rulers, or rebels, in other countries that we see as benefitting us in some way. Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein's Iraq, Isreal, South Africa, and the list goes on.
And before anyone else from other countries jumps on this saying "Yeah, the US sucks!" your god-damned country does the same or worse reguardless of who you are so don't get all high and mighty. It is inherent in politicians who cross the line from doing what is best for their countries interests, to doing something bad to someone else because it benefits you.
And this is my personal opinion. Despite our many flaws, the US really does try and want to be the greatest country in the world. Name another country that has done more good and less harm. Our ratio is the best, I think.
George Bush, God bless is pea sized brain rattling in that empty skull, really does do what he thinks is best. But coming from a very sheltered, affluent, black and white world that he does, he is wrong 75% of the time. And he has no diplomatic skills at all. Reagan could at least charm people while screwing them. Bush just tells them to shove it.
You'll like our next President a lot better.
Without giving an opinion either pro or anti, I just want to point out that logically speaking the argument you posted is extremely weak.
Do you see no other difference between Vermont and NY/D.C./Chicago other than their gun laws that might account for crime rates variations?
I didn't see the bad part. Was it the fact that if you decide to use GPL stuff you have to "pay" for it with your modifications?
Heaven forfend!
What could be more antithetical to GPL than a group like Forbes? I am amazed that it was so positive. It stated the FSF position clearing. It just seems like the author has heard a lot about Linux, but just read the actual GPL text and didn't like what he saw. It is all your perspective on socialism and everyone should already know where Forbes stands.
I thought they should have based the whole movie on the dad, because he was by far the funniest part of the movie. I guess it kind of turned into the Austen Powers film.
I do too. It strikes me strange that it would be chosen for a knock when it is better than 95% of the other crap out there. It's no Simpsons but I could pull 50 shitier shows off the top of my head.
Go give Freenet a try and you'll see why this other project is neccessary.
You need to practice what you preach. They are a democracy, they can make any damn fool laws they want.