The reference implementations of Ogg Theora and Vorbis are both BSD licensed as you can see here and here.
Stop spreading lies and misconceptions, you dumb twat.
Could you point me to a hardware implementation of the decoder? Could you point me to a reference spec? The fact of the matter is that h264 is already entrenched with hardware decoding support on a number of devices meaning that OGG format would have to be done in software which would reduce the battery life of devices that had h264 hardware decoding.
Wikimedia is an entity. People in this case would refer to the general public at large for their personal galleries etc... Most modern smart phones these days support H.264 since it is not license encumbered and the standard is well documented.
People like to point out that h.264 is license encumbered but I would argue that OGG is also license encumbered. What if I don't want to use GNU code in my product? Does OGG have a published standard for implementing the format? If so, is it up to date?
I would rather see use of a format that is licensed from an independent body like H.264 is rather than a format that either requires use of GPL'ed or LGPL'ed code because the published spec is either non-existent or not up to date.
That may be true, but GSM is not the ULTIMATE platform either. CDMA rev. a can smoke GSM f depending on many factors.
CDMA will be basically dead in North America within 5 years. By September of this year, Telus (Canadian CDMA Provider) will have 3G GSM running in parallel with their CDMA network and by 2010, Bell (Canadian CDMA provider) will have brought online their 3G GSM network. By 2011, Verizon(CDMA), Bell(CDMA), Telus(CDMA), Rogers(GSM/UTMS), Fido(GSM/UTMS) and MetroPCS(CDMA) will have switched to LTE (4G GSM) leaving Sprint and a handful of small CDMA providers using that old technology.
People are using power intensive applications which are drawing more power than what the USB interface can draw in peaks and valleys of usage. What you end up with is a situation where the device is getting hot because the battery is constantly draining and charging since the device has to supplement from the battery.
Many people experienced similar issues when they were using Netshare many months ago on iPhone OS 2.0 while plugged in. They noticed that the iphone 3G would get really hot and the battery would still drain even if it was plugged into a power source.
To prevent overheating, unplug the device when you are using it and stop using it when you have to recharge the device again. Not only will it not overheat but the battery life will not deteriorate as quickly.
Actually, what I think is happening is that some people are using the device connected via the USB cable for extended periods of time and using the device. It is possible that the phone is heating up because the energy required to perform the activity at some points in time is slightly greater than the what the USB connection is providing so the battery is constantly being drained and recharged at the same time.
What these people should be doing is using the device unplugged and then plugging it back in when they reach 20% charge rate and letting it charge up again instead of trying to use it while plugged in. I remember when Netshare was out, it would drain the battery and the device would get hot even it it was plugged into USB at the time. Netshare was streaming data from the cellular network through WiFi. That was with OS 2.0 and an iPhone 3G.
Are you using the tethering for a long period of time? That will drain the battery very quickly on any phone. Are you trying to use it as a GPS in a hot car? Again, that will wear out the phone quickly too since the battery will be operating above normal tolerances.
It is not a dedicated GPS or a cellular modem. It is a phone primarily with additional features for internet connectivity. If you try to use it as a cellular modem for an extended period of time, it will wear out given the form factor and the heat dissipation of the CPU and other chips.
I have yet to have any problems with my 3GS but again, I've only used it to do some surfing once in a while, play some games and listen to music or talk on the phone. I tried out tethering but I would only use that facility for short periods of time in an emergency.
What is with the jumping to conclusions? Just because some units are overheating, it does not mean that the entire production run that they are part of is also flawed. With any product, there will be lemon units.
My advice would be to turn off the battery percentage as I would not be surprised if it is buggy somehow and causing a battery drain by running in the background. Not only that, but turning it off would relieve all of you OCD types from obsessing over the numbers rather than looking at actual use of the device.
I think that the number of unit is relatively low but my fellow apple aficionados tend to be a bunch of whiny cry babies so you end up seeing the same damn people complaining all over the internet causing it to seem more widespread than it actually is.
I kind of feel left out of all this fun give than I have yet to have a problem with my iPhone but I did notice that turning on the battery percentage does tend to drain my battery faster so I'm going to turn it off for now until 3.1 comes out. Hopefully, bugs related to battery consumption will be fixed with a new release.
Words posted on slashdot to not pay the bills. Nintendo is obviously concerned about the viral nature of GPL'ed code.
Far as I know, the GPL can't be applied retroactively to the external platform the application is built on. It ain't that viral;)
The platform, no but it could expose any libraries provided by Nintendo as part of the SDK which are statically linked against the GPL'ed code even though Nintendo was not the party violating the GPL.
What's more likely is this response: OMG! GPL was violated! String Atari up by their balls!!11!!1! The GPL is sacred and must not be blasphemed like this. Grab your torches and pitchforks... we're going on a witch hunt!
What's even more ironic is that those very same people probably have no qualms violating the copyright of Apple, MSFT, members of the RIAA or the MPAA. That is hypocrisy at its finest.
Nintendo literally hates open source. Guess I'll skip that DSi.
Not that I care if people by the DSi or not but I have to ask you three questions. 1. Are you a developer? 2. Are you involved in any open source project in any other capacity than an end user? 3. How would being friendly or not to open source change anything given that games are typically not downloaded but rather come on a physical product for the DS?
Are you one of those open source fanboys who does not even contribute a single penny to any project but still feel it important to voice your righteous indignation? If this is true, then your words are hollow as the very act of downloading an open source product without contributing back towards their development/hosting through either donations or ad revenue means that you are siphoning off what little funding they have in bandwidth costs.
Words posted on slashdot to not pay the bills. Nintendo is obviously concerned about the viral nature of GPL'ed code.
"with a year under its belt and an installed base of iPhone and iPod Touch owners at around forty million"
iPhone OS 2 has only been out for a year. Has everyone already forgotten then the iphone itself has been out for 2 solid years?
No. What is your point? Before the SDK, there was no way to develop and release games for that platform to the general public outside of a niche of jailbreakers.
Why is it a handicap? Put the SD card you want in the device, and you don't have to pull it out, ever == same as having fixed and un-replaceable storage. It can't possibly be a downside - at worst, it's equivalent to phones that have a built-in storage.
Maybe I'm not getting your point?
Most devices with SD cards have limited internal storage, so they offer the ability to supplement that storage capacity with SD cards. There are several problems with relying on SD cards to provide sufficient storage for a media player. The first obvious issue for average consumers would be syncing and management of the media. How is an average consumer supposed to know what song/video is on each SD card? How, besides manually dragging and dropping files can you sync either all of a portion of a media library across several SD cards? Where is the average consumer going to keep all these cards on the go? If they are stored in pockets, how likely is it that they could go missing as a person digs through their pockets for other items?
I'm guessing that you don't have a lot of experience with phones that actually have a lot of storage built-in and have an easy interface for syncing media back and forth like iTunes provides.
Man, that's major suckage. I guess the Nokia phones (with all their non-coolness) have spoiled me in a few areas, one being a MicroSD slot. Being able to replace your music collection in a few seconds does mean a lot, to me. You can put several full-length movies on a 2GB microSD card - imagine carrying your collection of movies with you on several of these - pretty neat, no?
Neat for you and a small niche but otherwise, no. The reason why smartphones have not caught on for the "rest" of us is because they were always focused on the needs of the geeky few rather that consumers. Most people would probably rather not carry around microSD cards on their person if they did not have to and would probably carry them in a camera case with the camera. What you see as feature would be seen as a handicap of a device by a lot of other people.
I like it how you make the parent sound like they actively endorse malware and system instability by wanting to install his own apps. You don't necessarily "sacrifice" anything.
Moreover, just because you don't care about the convenience of memory cards doesn't mean everyone doesn't, and many people do not use Picassa or Iphoto. You may be in more of a niche than you think.
disclaimier, I am in the parent's niche as well.
As I said, Apple is interested in serving the majority of "consumers" and their needs, not geeks. I suppose they could include an SD card slot but what about people like me with with a Sony camera that take Sony Memory sticks? Their whole model expects that you would connect your camera or USB card reader to your computer and sync photos back up to the iPhone with iTunes. Could you give a common use case for a regular consumer needing to put an SD card into a music player besides augmenting anemic built-in storage?
As for restrictions on apps is concerned, the review process not only protects non-geeks from unsuspectingly installing trojans (apps that look legit but are not) but also protects the network infrastructure from poorly written apps that could clog the pipes for everyone. It seems like geeks who feel the need to hack everything have menial jobs that do not challenge them intellectually while developers like myself like to switch off when we are not at work. I like apple products because I don't have to futz around with stuff when I'm off duty.
Multitasking, a memory card reader and installing non apple approved apps.
So you would be willing to sacrifice stability, security of your data? If you don't care about stability and the risk for malware, you can always jailbreak your phone and install that kind of crap yourself. A memory card reader? So I take it that you don't use picture software like Picassa or iPhoto to organize your photos? You are aware that the iPhone has 8-16 and potentially 32 GB of storage in the new models built in?
Features that apple COULD implement tomorrow, but won't.
They won't because they are interested in serving the majority of customer's needs rather than serving niche concerns at the expense of security and stability as well as battery life.
That's why I'm rockin' android and will never buy an iphone in its current crippled state.
A real shame, as the device definetly has potential. It's not about hating apple, it's about hating that locked down feeling. That is probably not an issue for most people out there, but for me they are dealbreakers.
Good for you. Have fun with your device of your choice but you should realize that your expectations are part of a small niche and most people just want a device that works well on a consistent basis.
The new software also supposedly makes you re-buy apps that you've already purchased, just so they can allow multiple accounts on one phone (have people really asked for this?).
Average people did not ask for this. It was the nerds on the internet on tech sites that made the most noise. You can thank the nerd for making everyone's life more complicated from now on. Way to go guys. Thanks for ruining it for everyone.
Well that certainly explains why there is no SD slot on the iPhone or iPod touch. Nor USB or SD slot on the side of recent generations of iMacs.
SD cards were designed for point and shoot cameras. Why would the iPhone or iPod touch need an SD card when they connect to computers/printers and have 8GB or more of internal storage? How would the database of songs available be maintained if part of the storage was removable?
Devices that have SD cards usually come with limited onboard storage so they have to use SD cards to supplement their capacity with those cards. Tell me something, did you really like swapping floppies back in the day when running games? I would get tired pretty quickly of having to hunt through multiple SD cards for the image, video or song that I wanted. I don't consider it to be a feature that I'd actually want.
Maybe there are some ancient government computer backdoors out there that work with ancient modems. - Ferris Bueller
I remember accidentally breaking into a military computer when I was a teenager with my 1200 Baud modem. I dialed a number from a list that I got from another BBS, starred at the black screen for a bit and then decided to enter in five stars and then Enter. I was presented with a menu that I immediately recognized as being from the local armed forces base. Suffice to say, I chickened out and disconnected right away.
In college, I wrote a web browser. It was fully functional and supported everything that IE supported at that time. My professor was amazed. Not only because I was able to implement such a complicated thing in VB, but also in that I was able to do it over the weekend.
I got an A, but I never told anyone the secret.
Question. Was this a community college? Any professor worth their accreditation should have seen through the facade. Were you not required to submit your source code?
I could whip up a webkit browser in a matter of hours with basic functionality mostly using interface builder but I would hardly consider that a great accomplishment.
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The reference implementations of Ogg Theora and Vorbis are both BSD licensed as you can see here and here.
Stop spreading lies and misconceptions, you dumb twat.
Could you point me to a hardware implementation of the decoder? Could you point me to a reference spec? The fact of the matter is that h264 is already entrenched with hardware decoding support on a number of devices meaning that OGG format would have to be done in software which would reduce the battery life of devices that had h264 hardware decoding.
Wikimedia is an entity. People in this case would refer to the general public at large for their personal galleries etc... Most modern smart phones these days support H.264 since it is not license encumbered and the standard is well documented.
I would rather see use of a format that is licensed from an independent body like H.264 is rather than a format that either requires use of GPL'ed or LGPL'ed code because the published spec is either non-existent or not up to date.
The HTML standard should contain a codec that is widely used by "people". I have yet to use OGG or come across a site that offers OGG format.
That may be true, but GSM is not the ULTIMATE platform either. CDMA rev. a can smoke GSM f depending on many factors.
CDMA will be basically dead in North America within 5 years. By September of this year, Telus (Canadian CDMA Provider) will have 3G GSM running in parallel with their CDMA network and by 2010, Bell (Canadian CDMA provider) will have brought online their 3G GSM network. By 2011, Verizon(CDMA), Bell(CDMA), Telus(CDMA), Rogers(GSM/UTMS), Fido(GSM/UTMS) and MetroPCS(CDMA) will have switched to LTE (4G GSM) leaving Sprint and a handful of small CDMA providers using that old technology.
No, the issue here is that people are using the device heavily while plugged in.
Many people experienced similar issues when they were using Netshare many months ago on iPhone OS 2.0 while plugged in. They noticed that the iphone 3G would get really hot and the battery would still drain even if it was plugged into a power source.
To prevent overheating, unplug the device when you are using it and stop using it when you have to recharge the device again. Not only will it not overheat but the battery life will not deteriorate as quickly.
What these people should be doing is using the device unplugged and then plugging it back in when they reach 20% charge rate and letting it charge up again instead of trying to use it while plugged in. I remember when Netshare was out, it would drain the battery and the device would get hot even it it was plugged into USB at the time. Netshare was streaming data from the cellular network through WiFi. That was with OS 2.0 and an iPhone 3G.
It is not a dedicated GPS or a cellular modem. It is a phone primarily with additional features for internet connectivity. If you try to use it as a cellular modem for an extended period of time, it will wear out given the form factor and the heat dissipation of the CPU and other chips.
I have yet to have any problems with my 3GS but again, I've only used it to do some surfing once in a while, play some games and listen to music or talk on the phone. I tried out tethering but I would only use that facility for short periods of time in an emergency.
My advice would be to turn off the battery percentage as I would not be surprised if it is buggy somehow and causing a battery drain by running in the background. Not only that, but turning it off would relieve all of you OCD types from obsessing over the numbers rather than looking at actual use of the device.
I think that the number of unit is relatively low but my fellow apple aficionados tend to be a bunch of whiny cry babies so you end up seeing the same damn people complaining all over the internet causing it to seem more widespread than it actually is.
I submit for your perusal the Apple product cycle: http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/
I kind of feel left out of all this fun give than I have yet to have a problem with my iPhone but I did notice that turning on the battery percentage does tend to drain my battery faster so I'm going to turn it off for now until 3.1 comes out. Hopefully, bugs related to battery consumption will be fixed with a new release.
Words posted on slashdot to not pay the bills. Nintendo is obviously concerned about the viral nature of GPL'ed code.
Far as I know, the GPL can't be applied retroactively to the external platform the application is built on. It ain't that viral ;)
The platform, no but it could expose any libraries provided by Nintendo as part of the SDK which are statically linked against the GPL'ed code even though Nintendo was not the party violating the GPL.
What's more likely is this response: OMG! GPL was violated! String Atari up by their balls!!11!!1! The GPL is sacred and must not be blasphemed like this. Grab your torches and pitchforks... we're going on a witch hunt!
What's even more ironic is that those very same people probably have no qualms violating the copyright of Apple, MSFT, members of the RIAA or the MPAA. That is hypocrisy at its finest.
Nintendo literally hates open source. Guess I'll skip that DSi.
Not that I care if people by the DSi or not but I have to ask you three questions. 1. Are you a developer? 2. Are you involved in any open source project in any other capacity than an end user? 3. How would being friendly or not to open source change anything given that games are typically not downloaded but rather come on a physical product for the DS?
Are you one of those open source fanboys who does not even contribute a single penny to any project but still feel it important to voice your righteous indignation? If this is true, then your words are hollow as the very act of downloading an open source product without contributing back towards their development/hosting through either donations or ad revenue means that you are siphoning off what little funding they have in bandwidth costs.
Words posted on slashdot to not pay the bills. Nintendo is obviously concerned about the viral nature of GPL'ed code.
"with a year under its belt and an installed base of iPhone and iPod Touch owners at around forty million"
iPhone OS 2 has only been out for a year. Has everyone already forgotten then the iphone itself has been out for 2 solid years?
No. What is your point? Before the SDK, there was no way to develop and release games for that platform to the general public outside of a niche of jailbreakers.
Why is it a handicap? Put the SD card you want in the device, and you don't have to pull it out, ever == same as having fixed and un-replaceable storage. It can't possibly be a downside - at worst, it's equivalent to phones that have a built-in storage.
Maybe I'm not getting your point?
Most devices with SD cards have limited internal storage, so they offer the ability to supplement that storage capacity with SD cards. There are several problems with relying on SD cards to provide sufficient storage for a media player. The first obvious issue for average consumers would be syncing and management of the media. How is an average consumer supposed to know what song/video is on each SD card? How, besides manually dragging and dropping files can you sync either all of a portion of a media library across several SD cards? Where is the average consumer going to keep all these cards on the go? If they are stored in pockets, how likely is it that they could go missing as a person digs through their pockets for other items?
I'm guessing that you don't have a lot of experience with phones that actually have a lot of storage built-in and have an easy interface for syncing media back and forth like iTunes provides.
Oh, I see.
Man, that's major suckage. I guess the Nokia phones (with all their non-coolness) have spoiled me in a few areas, one being a MicroSD slot. Being able to replace your music collection in a few seconds does mean a lot, to me. You can put several full-length movies on a 2GB microSD card - imagine carrying your collection of movies with you on several of these - pretty neat, no?
Neat for you and a small niche but otherwise, no. The reason why smartphones have not caught on for the "rest" of us is because they were always focused on the needs of the geeky few rather that consumers. Most people would probably rather not carry around microSD cards on their person if they did not have to and would probably carry them in a camera case with the camera. What you see as feature would be seen as a handicap of a device by a lot of other people.
I like it how you make the parent sound like they actively endorse malware and system instability by wanting to install his own apps. You don't necessarily "sacrifice" anything.
Moreover, just because you don't care about the convenience of memory cards doesn't mean everyone doesn't, and many people do not use Picassa or Iphoto. You may be in more of a niche than you think. disclaimier, I am in the parent's niche as well.
As I said, Apple is interested in serving the majority of "consumers" and their needs, not geeks. I suppose they could include an SD card slot but what about people like me with with a Sony camera that take Sony Memory sticks? Their whole model expects that you would connect your camera or USB card reader to your computer and sync photos back up to the iPhone with iTunes. Could you give a common use case for a regular consumer needing to put an SD card into a music player besides augmenting anemic built-in storage?
As for restrictions on apps is concerned, the review process not only protects non-geeks from unsuspectingly installing trojans (apps that look legit but are not) but also protects the network infrastructure from poorly written apps that could clog the pipes for everyone. It seems like geeks who feel the need to hack everything have menial jobs that do not challenge them intellectually while developers like myself like to switch off when we are not at work. I like apple products because I don't have to futz around with stuff when I'm off duty.
Multitasking, a memory card reader and installing non apple approved apps.
So you would be willing to sacrifice stability, security of your data? If you don't care about stability and the risk for malware, you can always jailbreak your phone and install that kind of crap yourself. A memory card reader? So I take it that you don't use picture software like Picassa or iPhoto to organize your photos? You are aware that the iPhone has 8-16 and potentially 32 GB of storage in the new models built in?
Features that apple COULD implement tomorrow, but won't.
They won't because they are interested in serving the majority of customer's needs rather than serving niche concerns at the expense of security and stability as well as battery life.
That's why I'm rockin' android and will never buy an iphone in its current crippled state.
A real shame, as the device definetly has potential. It's not about hating apple, it's about hating that locked down feeling. That is probably not an issue for most people out there, but for me they are dealbreakers.
Good for you. Have fun with your device of your choice but you should realize that your expectations are part of a small niche and most people just want a device that works well on a consistent basis.
"... including a complete human translation on the MacRumors forum" What are you saying about the Chinese?
Didn't you see the last few episodes from BSG? They are obviously descended from the Sharon units. /SARC
Seriously, though I think the submitter just a thoughtless idiot rather than being intentionally racist.
The new software also supposedly makes you re-buy apps that you've already purchased, just so they can allow multiple accounts on one phone (have people really asked for this?).
Average people did not ask for this. It was the nerds on the internet on tech sites that made the most noise. You can thank the nerd for making everyone's life more complicated from now on. Way to go guys. Thanks for ruining it for everyone.
Well that certainly explains why there is no SD slot on the iPhone or iPod touch. Nor USB or SD slot on the side of recent generations of iMacs.
SD cards were designed for point and shoot cameras. Why would the iPhone or iPod touch need an SD card when they connect to computers/printers and have 8GB or more of internal storage? How would the database of songs available be maintained if part of the storage was removable?
Devices that have SD cards usually come with limited onboard storage so they have to use SD cards to supplement their capacity with those cards. Tell me something, did you really like swapping floppies back in the day when running games? I would get tired pretty quickly of having to hunt through multiple SD cards for the image, video or song that I wanted. I don't consider it to be a feature that I'd actually want.
Maybe there are some ancient government computer backdoors out there that work with ancient modems. - Ferris Bueller
I remember accidentally breaking into a military computer when I was a teenager with my 1200 Baud modem. I dialed a number from a list that I got from another BBS, starred at the black screen for a bit and then decided to enter in five stars and then Enter. I was presented with a menu that I immediately recognized as being from the local armed forces base. Suffice to say, I chickened out and disconnected right away.
Maybe the scientists are just jealous that someone is coming up with more believable stuff than their fiction er I mean theories.
In college, I wrote a web browser. It was fully functional and supported everything that IE supported at that time. My professor was amazed. Not only because I was able to implement such a complicated thing in VB, but also in that I was able to do it over the weekend.
I got an A, but I never told anyone the secret.
Question. Was this a community college? Any professor worth their accreditation should have seen through the facade. Were you not required to submit your source code?
I could whip up a webkit browser in a matter of hours with basic functionality mostly using interface builder but I would hardly consider that a great accomplishment.
Citation: needed
What kind? A traffic ticket? Violation of a city ordinance?