"Either Jordan was planning to leave 90% of the subplots hanging..."
Jordan and Sanderson both indicated that he intended to leave quite a bit hanging. At some point in his journal Sanderson began to question whether this would be best for the readers and if he should change it.
That upset me a great deal when I read it but now I am not sure. Jordan intended to be around and possibly follow up with a second series or other books that might have followed up on some of those sub-plots. Sanderson has said he has no intention of writing someone elses series for the rest of his life. Maybe it is better to tie up the loose ends if there is no more text coming down the road later.
"It is a very specific factual observation of your remark"
Which remark is that? Define fanboy and establish a specific textbook example of fanboyism in my comments. I gave specific examples that established my comment as fact. I provided premise and structure that result in a valid argument. That is the difference between criticism and bashing. For that matter any student of logic can tell you that any argument that is made without valid premise and structure is invalid even if the conclusion correct.
"Who ever said I hate Wheel of Time?"
A bit self centric don't you think? This thread was discussing the people hating on the series. The only one who included you among that group is yourself. We aren't talking about something you are doing or not doing here.
"Besides, people are criticizing aspects of the series"
Nobody is talking about constructive criticism. The first several highly modded comments in this discussion are nothing but trollish remarks designed to incite a flamewar... which they did successfully.
So far I haven't seen any cases of criticism with a valid argument attached.
"If my ideas about what constitutes off-topic are wrong, someone should tell that to everyone who meta-moderates my moderations. "
Okay then. Give your criteria for defining flamebait, troll, and redundant. I challenge you to find any definition for these moderations that wouldn't include all the "Jordan sucks" posts under this story or at least all but one of them.
"that is no reason to dismiss the opinions of the many OTHER people who are disappointed with the series and who chose to express that throughout this article's comments"
Yes it is. Its reason to dismiss them along with anything else that is off-topic. They are doing nothing more than trolling and trying to draw flames from the fans who will be attracted to this news.
"I don't remember slashdot stories being restricted to certain interest groups"
No but they are restricted to certain topics which is why moderators such as myself have an offtopic moderation. This story is about a chapter being released in a new book. If you really must hate read the chapter and then hate on the content.
"I am discussing this matter in a perfectly civil and neutral manner, while you fanboys"
A bit of a contradiction in terms don't you think?
That's like saying "I am discussing this matter in a perfectly civil and neutral manner, while you liberals"
Or
"I am discussing this matter in a perfectly civil and neutral manner, while you right-wing nutjobs"
As for being called an anal smartass. If you make a smart remark you are a smartass. Check. If you use a literal remark as the punchline then you are being anal. Check. And when the individuals point was clear in context and the literal remark was an obvious case of choosing poor wording. Well that is textbook anal smartassiness.
That is not some random insult. Nobody is calling you a jerk or a fuckwad or other meaningless slam. It is a very specific factual observation of your remark.
Absolutely. Those who dislike his work dismiss the intricacy and consistency of the WoT plot as simple outlining obviously don't even begin to have a concept of what is involved.
It is a challenge to follow everything and catch all the connections as reader... I can't even begin to fathom actually keeping a WoT encyclopedia in my head in order to write this story in an error free way. I couldn't even begin to outline something so vast and intricate.
To me its like dismissing the great masterpieces handcrafted in marble that you can almost watch breath in the right light by pointing to a chisel and stoneworking for dummies.
I suspect a great deal of the hatred for Jordan comes from Tolkien fans who hate him on principle because he was compared favorably with Tolkien so often. Then there are those who lacked the wits to follow the story.
sorry but I'm with the GP. I like things to have a beginning, a journey or experience, and an ending. I hate MMORPG games because they never end. When I find a book I can get into then I am locked into the book until it is finished. Generally I get up to piss, sleep, eat, shit, and work and inbetween there is the book until it is consumed. I am the same with movies, tv shows.
I hate walking away in the middle when my mind is already invested in handling all the details of the subject matter. Removing my attention from the subject matter scatters that focus and causes me to drop all the delicate threads of details and plots.
The kind of focus I give to a work such as a book simply can not be maintained forever. There are so many delicate threads of detail and interconnected plot in the WoT series that I can't kept them all filed between books. I will be glad when I can finally read the series from start to finish, book one to the finale.
AFAIK the number of volumes planned for the series was decided at least six novels ago. You can debate whether or not it would have finished with this book on schedule or not but this was planned to be the last book and the previous book was never intended to be the last.
okay, here, let me help him by correcting the statement for anal smartasses like yourself.
"you don't like his stuff don't read more of it."
This is a story of interest to FANS waiting for the book to come out. This is not an appropriate forum for trolls who want to post flamebait here that amounts to nothing more than "Jordan sux0rs". Its inappropriate and adds nothing to the discussion.
I'm not sure about the make up of yeast to be honest. Does it contain ALL of the amino acids in correct ratios? Hemp seed does and is as good or better a source of protein as actual meat.
Yeast doesn't seem like that great a choice to me. You have to feed yeast sugars, which yeast depletes and forms a toxic byproduct (alcohol). You shift the problem of feeding the people to feeding the yeast.
It is hard to beat hemp on this front. It isn't called a weed for nothing, it is a hardy plant and grows to great size under full sunlight. Additionally it enriches the soil it is grown in rather than depleting it. After investing energy in the first crop Hemp production is a continuous circle of gas exchange. Even human waste can be composted and safely used as fertilizer.
The seeds can be used to produce milk, cheese, etc. The flowers are potent medicine. The branches and trunk are composed of strong fibers that can be used to make cloth and strengthen plastics (there is a video of Ford smacking a hemp reinforced corn plastic car body with a sledgehammer and not making a dent).
In fact, the vast utility of the plant is the source of conspiracy theories that the reason hemp was outlawed in the first place was to promote the interests of the many industries that had to compete with it. Mostly the cotton and oil industries. Conspiracy or no conspiracy it is a fact that hemp is an extremely useful substance to have around and would also be a great source of oxygen.
You can also control hemp flowering cycles (and thus seed production) by controlling light cycles.
The only challenge I see with hemp is that it takes up room. There is certainly room on mars or the moon and maybe this isn't such a huge issue with inflatable structures.
"Not sure if there's some sort of official authority for this sort of data that is reliable though"
Of course not, this is the food industry we are talking about and nutritionists and dieticians argue about most everything. But there is pretty much no dissent out there regarding hemp seed aside from knee-jerk reactions about getting high (which is impossible with hemp seed of course).
Probably the most authoritative source is the nutrition labels on hemp seed product which are mandatory and governed by federal regulations.
Marijuana was a newly made up name for the plant. It was invented for the purpose of outlawing hemp.
Hemp and marijuana are interchangeable terms. A low potency industrial version of the crop was bred by the French much later and term hemp has been used in recent history to refer to that breeding line but back when hemp was outlawed there was no difference between what you used to make rope and smoke, just different parts of the plant.
And 100x more efficient to grow hemp seed. Soy is not a complete protein, it contains only the proteins needed for the body to synthesize the rest. Aside from meat, hemp is the only complete protein. Soy also has to be prepared specially in order to unlock the protein, hemp seed does not.
Hemp seed is actually one of the few food stuffs that you can live off without having to eat anything else (aside from meat of course). Not that you would want but at least it tastes better than soy.
Nutritionists recently rediscovered hemp seed as a super food. The bird seed industry knew it a long time ago. Back when certain industries slipped in legislation to outlaw hemp (almost entirely unopposed since nobody at the time knew that marijuana was the same stuff growing in their fields) the birdseed industry caught on and convinced congress to make an exception for them by claiming songbirds wouldn't sing without hemp seed in the mix. That is where a lot of the pot seed in the 60's and 70's came from.
ummm... speak for yourself. I think we should sell tickets to the live video stream to pay for the resupply missions. Make sure 80% of the crew is smoking hot babes and that everyone shares a single sleeping chamber under full view of the cameras (including a few the crew don't know about).
I think this is one instance where we can all agree that piracy would ultimately boost the ratings. I mean if nobody pays for the stream... no resupply...
"Are there more, fewer, or the same proportion of "jumping genes" on that chromosome as the larger genome?"
That is probably why they selected the Y chromosome. It is well known and widely utilized as one of the most stable pieces of our genetic makeup. It is a fairly safe bet that every other region will have mutated AT LEAST as much as the Y chromosome.
That might be relevant if there wasn't error correction in DNA copying as well. The DNA success is with error correction.
The flaw in his idea is that hard drives don't make it 25yrs. He data would never make it to the copy process. But then, our DNA is copied far more often than every 25 years as well, it copied thousands of times a day. So maybe the real comparison would be copying the data from his raid back and forth thousands of times a day for 25 years.
Sure but how many people freeze to death each year vs the number who die by tornado? Not to mention heat exhaustion, starvation because food can not be preserved, etc.
Energy is simply a far far bigger issue at this point. It would seem far more reasonable to expect the tornado warning systems to be redesigned rather than the wind turbines.
Actually some random freak occurrence that could knock a gas giant out of place and happened within the tiny frame of time that we are looking seems much less likely than that we got it wrong.
Time will tell though... and more close orbiting exoplanets.
You are both right and wrong. You already know why you are right so let me cover the wrong part.
It matters in science and research because those definitions aren't being used conversationally or merely for communication. Those labels are being used for parts in theoretical models. If we can't come up with a consistent and coherent definition for electron then something being dubbed electron could break a lot of theories that say "an electron will do x if we do y" and hundreds of hypothesis based on that assumption.
Of course, at some point if the lines start to get too blurry and our models are breaking... well we are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that there are no damn electrons and we need a new fscking model.
I for one will be here to sex up the new hot model but that's another story.
If technology surpasses the limitations then what difference does it make?
Perhaps we should stop traveling so much because we are meant to walk and give careful consideration to journeys. Perhaps we should stop using technology to save babies and just let natural selection do its thing.
What you have exercised some sort of masochistic restraint and the idea that someone else could both indulge AND be healthy pisses you off?
Besides, we have already been over this. Teeth DO wear out, that hard food you are talking about supplants brushing but it also wears down the enamel and your healthy living teeth don't grow it back.
In nature there are no shortage of older animals that die because their teeth are no longer functional. Especially among predators.
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"Either Jordan was planning to leave 90% of the subplots hanging..."
Jordan and Sanderson both indicated that he intended to leave quite a bit hanging. At some point in his journal Sanderson began to question whether this would be best for the readers and if he should change it.
That upset me a great deal when I read it but now I am not sure. Jordan intended to be around and possibly follow up with a second series or other books that might have followed up on some of those sub-plots. Sanderson has said he has no intention of writing someone elses series for the rest of his life. Maybe it is better to tie up the loose ends if there is no more text coming down the road later.
"It is a very specific factual observation of your remark"
Which remark is that? Define fanboy and establish a specific textbook example of fanboyism in my comments. I gave specific examples that established my comment as fact. I provided premise and structure that result in a valid argument. That is the difference between criticism and bashing. For that matter any student of logic can tell you that any argument that is made without valid premise and structure is invalid even if the conclusion correct.
"Who ever said I hate Wheel of Time?"
A bit self centric don't you think? This thread was discussing the people hating on the series. The only one who included you among that group is yourself. We aren't talking about something you are doing or not doing here.
"Besides, people are criticizing aspects of the series"
Nobody is talking about constructive criticism. The first several highly modded comments in this discussion are nothing but trollish remarks designed to incite a flamewar... which they did successfully.
So far I haven't seen any cases of criticism with a valid argument attached.
"If my ideas about what constitutes off-topic are wrong, someone should tell that to everyone who meta-moderates my moderations. "
Okay then. Give your criteria for defining flamebait, troll, and redundant. I challenge you to find any definition for these moderations that wouldn't include all the "Jordan sucks" posts under this story or at least all but one of them.
"that is no reason to dismiss the opinions of the many OTHER people who are disappointed with the series and who chose to express that throughout this article's comments"
Yes it is. Its reason to dismiss them along with anything else that is off-topic. They are doing nothing more than trolling and trying to draw flames from the fans who will be attracted to this news.
"I don't remember slashdot stories being restricted to certain interest groups"
No but they are restricted to certain topics which is why moderators such as myself have an offtopic moderation. This story is about a chapter being released in a new book. If you really must hate read the chapter and then hate on the content.
"I am discussing this matter in a perfectly civil and neutral manner, while you fanboys"
A bit of a contradiction in terms don't you think?
That's like saying "I am discussing this matter in a perfectly civil and neutral manner, while you liberals"
Or
"I am discussing this matter in a perfectly civil and neutral manner, while you right-wing nutjobs"
As for being called an anal smartass. If you make a smart remark you are a smartass. Check. If you use a literal remark as the punchline then you are being anal. Check. And when the individuals point was clear in context and the literal remark was an obvious case of choosing poor wording. Well that is textbook anal smartassiness.
That is not some random insult. Nobody is calling you a jerk or a fuckwad or other meaningless slam. It is a very specific factual observation of your remark.
Absolutely. Those who dislike his work dismiss the intricacy and consistency of the WoT plot as simple outlining obviously don't even begin to have a concept of what is involved.
It is a challenge to follow everything and catch all the connections as reader... I can't even begin to fathom actually keeping a WoT encyclopedia in my head in order to write this story in an error free way. I couldn't even begin to outline something so vast and intricate.
To me its like dismissing the great masterpieces handcrafted in marble that you can almost watch breath in the right light by pointing to a chisel and stoneworking for dummies.
I suspect a great deal of the hatred for Jordan comes from Tolkien fans who hate him on principle because he was compared favorably with Tolkien so often. Then there are those who lacked the wits to follow the story.
That is a bit unfair though. Six books (10+ years) have passed since Jordan said it would be 12 or 13 books.
sorry but I'm with the GP. I like things to have a beginning, a journey or experience, and an ending. I hate MMORPG games because they never end. When I find a book I can get into then I am locked into the book until it is finished. Generally I get up to piss, sleep, eat, shit, and work and inbetween there is the book until it is consumed. I am the same with movies, tv shows.
I hate walking away in the middle when my mind is already invested in handling all the details of the subject matter. Removing my attention from the subject matter scatters that focus and causes me to drop all the delicate threads of details and plots.
The kind of focus I give to a work such as a book simply can not be maintained forever. There are so many delicate threads of detail and interconnected plot in the WoT series that I can't kept them all filed between books. I will be glad when I can finally read the series from start to finish, book one to the finale.
AFAIK the number of volumes planned for the series was decided at least six novels ago. You can debate whether or not it would have finished with this book on schedule or not but this was planned to be the last book and the previous book was never intended to be the last.
okay, here, let me help him by correcting the statement for anal smartasses like yourself.
"you don't like his stuff don't read more of it."
This is a story of interest to FANS waiting for the book to come out. This is not an appropriate forum for trolls who want to post flamebait here that amounts to nothing more than "Jordan sux0rs". Its inappropriate and adds nothing to the discussion.
I'm not sure about the make up of yeast to be honest. Does it contain ALL of the amino acids in correct ratios? Hemp seed does and is as good or better a source of protein as actual meat.
Yeast doesn't seem like that great a choice to me. You have to feed yeast sugars, which yeast depletes and forms a toxic byproduct (alcohol). You shift the problem of feeding the people to feeding the yeast.
It is hard to beat hemp on this front. It isn't called a weed for nothing, it is a hardy plant and grows to great size under full sunlight. Additionally it enriches the soil it is grown in rather than depleting it. After investing energy in the first crop Hemp production is a continuous circle of gas exchange. Even human waste can be composted and safely used as fertilizer.
The seeds can be used to produce milk, cheese, etc. The flowers are potent medicine. The branches and trunk are composed of strong fibers that can be used to make cloth and strengthen plastics (there is a video of Ford smacking a hemp reinforced corn plastic car body with a sledgehammer and not making a dent).
In fact, the vast utility of the plant is the source of conspiracy theories that the reason hemp was outlawed in the first place was to promote the interests of the many industries that had to compete with it. Mostly the cotton and oil industries. Conspiracy or no conspiracy it is a fact that hemp is an extremely useful substance to have around and would also be a great source of oxygen.
You can also control hemp flowering cycles (and thus seed production) by controlling light cycles.
The only challenge I see with hemp is that it takes up room. There is certainly room on mars or the moon and maybe this isn't such a huge issue with inflatable structures.
"Not sure if there's some sort of official authority for this sort of data that is reliable though"
Of course not, this is the food industry we are talking about and nutritionists and dieticians argue about most everything. But there is pretty much no dissent out there regarding hemp seed aside from knee-jerk reactions about getting high (which is impossible with hemp seed of course).
Probably the most authoritative source is the nutrition labels on hemp seed product which are mandatory and governed by federal regulations.
Funny but some people might believe this. You can't get high eating hemp seed.
You can chemically extract something you can use to get high from the leaves. The flowers can be smoked directly.
Marijuana was a newly made up name for the plant. It was invented for the purpose of outlawing hemp.
Hemp and marijuana are interchangeable terms. A low potency industrial version of the crop was bred by the French much later and term hemp has been used in recent history to refer to that breeding line but back when hemp was outlawed there was no difference between what you used to make rope and smoke, just different parts of the plant.
And 100x more efficient to grow hemp seed. Soy is not a complete protein, it contains only the proteins needed for the body to synthesize the rest. Aside from meat, hemp is the only complete protein. Soy also has to be prepared specially in order to unlock the protein, hemp seed does not.
Hemp seed is actually one of the few food stuffs that you can live off without having to eat anything else (aside from meat of course). Not that you would want but at least it tastes better than soy.
Nutritionists recently rediscovered hemp seed as a super food. The bird seed industry knew it a long time ago. Back when certain industries slipped in legislation to outlaw hemp (almost entirely unopposed since nobody at the time knew that marijuana was the same stuff growing in their fields) the birdseed industry caught on and convinced congress to make an exception for them by claiming songbirds wouldn't sing without hemp seed in the mix. That is where a lot of the pot seed in the 60's and 70's came from.
ummm... speak for yourself. I think we should sell tickets to the live video stream to pay for the resupply missions. Make sure 80% of the crew is smoking hot babes and that everyone shares a single sleeping chamber under full view of the cameras (including a few the crew don't know about).
I think this is one instance where we can all agree that piracy would ultimately boost the ratings. I mean if nobody pays for the stream... no resupply...
"Are there more, fewer, or the same proportion of "jumping genes" on that chromosome as the larger genome?"
That is probably why they selected the Y chromosome. It is well known and widely utilized as one of the most stable pieces of our genetic makeup. It is a fairly safe bet that every other region will have mutated AT LEAST as much as the Y chromosome.
That might be relevant if there wasn't error correction in DNA copying as well. The DNA success is with error correction.
The flaw in his idea is that hard drives don't make it 25yrs. He data would never make it to the copy process. But then, our DNA is copied far more often than every 25 years as well, it copied thousands of times a day. So maybe the real comparison would be copying the data from his raid back and forth thousands of times a day for 25 years.
In soviet russia, soviet russia jokes tell you!
It would be much more clever to post a dupe story with links that point to the first slashdot story.
dupe dupe dupe, dupe of earl, dupe dupe, dupe of earl...
Sure but how many people freeze to death each year vs the number who die by tornado? Not to mention heat exhaustion, starvation because food can not be preserved, etc.
Energy is simply a far far bigger issue at this point. It would seem far more reasonable to expect the tornado warning systems to be redesigned rather than the wind turbines.
Actually some random freak occurrence that could knock a gas giant out of place and happened within the tiny frame of time that we are looking seems much less likely than that we got it wrong.
Time will tell though... and more close orbiting exoplanets.
You are both right and wrong. You already know why you are right so let me cover the wrong part.
It matters in science and research because those definitions aren't being used conversationally or merely for communication. Those labels are being used for parts in theoretical models. If we can't come up with a consistent and coherent definition for electron then something being dubbed electron could break a lot of theories that say "an electron will do x if we do y" and hundreds of hypothesis based on that assumption.
Of course, at some point if the lines start to get too blurry and our models are breaking... well we are just going to have to come to terms with the fact that there are no damn electrons and we need a new fscking model.
I for one will be here to sex up the new hot model but that's another story.
god always makes before configure. How else would you explain teenagers?
If technology surpasses the limitations then what difference does it make?
Perhaps we should stop traveling so much because we are meant to walk and give careful consideration to journeys. Perhaps we should stop using technology to save babies and just let natural selection do its thing.
What you have exercised some sort of masochistic restraint and the idea that someone else could both indulge AND be healthy pisses you off?
Besides, we have already been over this. Teeth DO wear out, that hard food you are talking about supplants brushing but it also wears down the enamel and your healthy living teeth don't grow it back.
In nature there are no shortage of older animals that die because their teeth are no longer functional. Especially among predators.
There is a pretty big gap between the wealthy who can afford regular dental care and the projects you know.
Even among the wealthy who can afford dental care teeth are pretty awful, they are just covered up by pretty dental work.
There is nothing healthy about that capped and crowned mess just because it looks white and pristine.