"Thus speaks someone who I suspect has not created anything of aesthetic value in his life."
You'd be wrong on that count.
"Anybody who has understands that we let you access/use our output on our terms or not at all. The government may think they write the rules, but if the creators don't release their product, the legislation remains just so much hot air."
You'd be wrong on that one too. Before copyright existed there were no shortage of artists, playwrights, authors, etc releasing their works. Without copyright you realize that all works are part of public domain by default right? EVERYWHERE, under ANY legislature.
"Now you're being unfair, I never said nor did I imply that my work is gods gift to mankind or even that I'm a good artist for that matter. It's when people misappropriate the work unfairly without due credit, regardless if it beautiful or ugly (subjective) - if I'm proud of it of cource I'll get pissed if someone doesn't even bother to ask for permission. I'm not talking about clipart or tiny buttonimages from a webpage, these tend to be extremely generic. No, I'm thinkng more along the lines of wallpapers or such which may have taken many, many hours to make. The artwork I do does in fact usually end up being given away, mostly it's custom stuff for friends etc. I even tend to give them the Copyright if it portrays a unique quality of theirs!"
Now it's here that MY tone was too extreme. All I was really trying to impress is that copyright is not ownership and that the reason for that is that one cannot own a thought. An artist is certainly entitled to be proud of his work!!!
"How about the theory of relativity?"
Not unique at all, hell I myself thought of relativity before ever reading anything by Einstein. Although I can't say I offered the proofs Einstein did. I seriously doubt I'm the only one who independently reached the same conclusions.
The troops there aren't in a police capacity, they are there in the capacity of a threat. It wouldn't be much of a farse if the common grunt on the field knew what was going on either.
Is there anyone who yum's it from the tiny official repository rather than from the highly stable and secure, not to mention drastically larger 3rd party sources?
"$50/year for updates, that seems pretty decent to me!"
If they want me to pay for something that is free, then I at least want them to give me the updates for free. Unless that $50 covers updates AND support. In which case they should change it so the updates are free and support costs $50/yr.
Absolutely and the parent's implication that it is ok to heist it is entirely wrong.
"does belong to someone unless explicitly stated to be public domain"
It's this part of your statement that is wrong and this line of thinking must be corrected wherever seen. It's particularly important to correct (even anally so) someone who creates copyrighted works and has this wrong view. When any man creates a work subject to copyright, that work is owned by mankind, not by the man who made it (although the man owns the physical object, that isn't what is subject to copyright)!
Copyright is the OWNER ie mankind (or the nation on it's behalf) granting you temporary and limited controls by contract for a limited term. It's a way of saying thankyou. You own the copyright, not the material which is copyrighted.
Your pride you may be entitled to, but it becomes arrogance to think to own the miracle of man's imagination, even the piece of it you bear through life. Human history shows in thousands upon thousands of documented instances that NO idea is unique. You can think something first, but even if you never tell a soul there will plenty of others who form the same thought.
ISP is an abbreviation for Internet service provider. DB is an abbreviation for Database.
Programmers do NOT in my experience use args rather than arguments when they are not specifically talking/writing to/for other programmers. Also args is still just an abbreviated form of the word arguments and can easily be figured out if used in context by someone who would understand the full word used in the same context.
Abbreviating is a common practice in internet communications and is used extensively in virtually all areas of communication. It works well because the reader can generally figure out the meaning.
Delta-v on the other hand bears NO relation to it's meaning whatsoever. It is NOT an abbreviation, rather it's a randomly chosen piece of jargon which serves no actual purpose. All of the above examples could be interpreted easily in place of the full terms, if used in context, by an individual of reasonable intelligence who would understand the full terms used in the same context.
Delta-v on the other hand must be defined before anyone understands it, attempts to decipher it's meaning when used in context do NOT have a benefit of any association to said meaning. You could as well decide to attach that meaning to the word "bob" and the choice would be no less arbitrary.
In short, ISP is a practical shortening of a long term and if anything is easier to understand than the full term. Delta-v is the creation of a pompous ass to make it easier to distinguish the initiated from the unwashed masses. In this way it shares common ground with many other things in the physics and scientific world in general. If you want further evidence of this, look to astronomy and the naming of extraterrestrial bodies.
"Now there's not a single nation in Europe that equals the United States."
True enough.
"Together they do the job quite nicely though."
That's fairly amusing, even if far from true.
"Then maybe our leaders wouldn't feel like it's necessary to station troops all over the planet."
My friend, I truely hope you aren't as a snowed as you sound. Even most of those who call us warmongers these days haven't gotten the big picture. All of those places that we've "policed" we are OCCUPYING not policing, there is a rather substantial difference. The switch in terms keeps the rest of the world from getting in an uproar and calling us war mongers.
Think about the pattern, we "try to help" a small strategic (in some fashion, economics, advantageous location, threating to us, resources, etc) nation. Oh goodie us, we are such good dudely do rights we are. So we send troops to "help", next thing you know we are "helping" oversee a new puppe... err democratic government.
Oddly enough, our troops actually NEVER leave. Oh their numbers reduce once the pup... err democratic government is established and in power but our presence is always kept in place. Hell we still keep massive deposts of military resources in GERMANY.
We aren't merely the super power of the moment my friend, we are Rome and more or less rule the known world. Rome didn't rise in a day, and Rome didn't fall in a day, rather it took centuries for it's power to be chipped away.
Like Rome we are sure to fall, I'd prefer it sooner than later but don't see it as being something likely to happen during the lifetime of anyone alive today.
"A military that can protect the United States is fine by me. An economy in the upper half of the world is more than many could ask for."
Agreed on that.
"Damn I'd like to see us get out of the world police business and back to the "working on making America better" business."
I can not exactly say I'd like to see us get "back" to it, since that would imply that was the aim of our nation at some previous point in time. But in general I think that would be a good direction to start going at some point.
I thought the US already claimed the moon when we first planted our flag there? Just as explorers did in times of old when discovering and claiming new lands for their nation?
Also to the best of my knowlege the only ones to dispute this claim were the Russians, and the Russians lost the cold war buddy.
If you think we USians can't hold that much territory you obviously haven't read the new airforce "space superiority" proposals (which are also in contradiction to your pittly international treaties).
heh, I bash MS products damn near constantly. I hold a MCSE and MCSD certification.
Microsoft feels I know what I'm talking about when I tell you that MS software cannot be secured to the point where a system running it should EVER be connected to the internet or any other large network.
Further, I've RTFM'd a few windows versions. I've never really found any useful information in the little getting started booklet. I've been looking for further documentation of note but haven't found any yet. Seriously, not much of a manual here.
"get real, no OS is secure unless you config it to the level of security you need/want/forced-to-use (ignorent exec's without a clue making desisions)"
True enough, there are numerous OS's you can do this with. Your just really limited as to what levels security it's possible for a windows configuration to obtain.
"get off the hate-wagon, be constructive"
Every day I go out and help small business owners realise why they should choose linux or at least being migrating their critical systems away from windows. We start small, backend servers, locking down the windows desktops as much as possible, replacing ie with firefox, etc.
Of course there are holes in both open source and closed source software. Although you didn't mention any linux vulnerabilities in that list (linux is an OS, aka a kernel).
There are some big differences, one is the consequence of holes being executed. Another is the ease with which those holes can be executed. Probably the biggest issue though is how many are zero-day exploits.
There are holes in every piece of software, they are there, accept it. If a bug is reported and patched it certainly shouldn't be considered a knock against the software!! Hell that is proof that the development team actually IS doing something! If they find 50 security holes in application X, that means someone has to look 50 times harder to find an exploitable hole in application X. Hell finding and fixing a hole without it ever being exploited should be awarded with a medal. Further most reported and patched holes (particulary those found by the anal SOB's of the open source world) are only THEORETICALLY exploitable to begin with!
Where holes found and patched are evidence of programmers doing something right. Zero day exploits are the stuff of failure and what you should look for. There are loads of these out there for windows.
"I did not refer to Gaim, but I would include the apparent more severe issues spoken about in the grandparent posts such as "libxml2 and httpd" and "Xfree86"."
K, lets look at this:
libxml2 - This has WHAT to do with linux? To the best of my knowledge this isn't system software or used by anything that could even remotely be called part of the OS.
httpd - A webserver? Don't you think that is a pretty far stretch? Do you know how many different webservers are available which run on linux? Hell I don't generally hear anyone claiming IIS vulnerabilities are part of windows and IIS is produced by Microsoft and included with the OS! I'd say a general rule of thumb would be that if the software runs on other platforms, it's certainly NOT part of any given platform. Apache runs on ALOT of platforms including windows, a security hole in it makes a windows box running apache just as vulnerable as a linux box.
XFree86 - Again this doesn't pass the platform test, x can be run on lots of platforms, again including windows. In MS windows the GUI is the primary interface to the OS, in the linux(*nix) world the cli is the primary interface. I don't just think it's wrong to group X vulnerabilities in with linux vulernabilities, I think anyone who is concerned with security on a box is an idiot if they have X installed on that system. They are even more so if they actually run X on it (as opposed to just leaving the libs on the disk for dependency purposes).
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It's all about polling frequency really, once both ends have agreed on that binary smoke signals are easy.
Look Buddy, haven't you seen southpark? You damned Canadians, with your square heads and unattached jaws that open and close leaving a hole in your head while you talk, are just going to have to accept your place in things.
With that said, I'll be moving in next door later this week (anything to get away from religious rule).
"Who in their right mind would ever consider putting a firewall, email, web server, and IRC on the same box? A *firewall* for God's sakes. I wouldn't put that combination together on any one box, even with Xen 2.0."
The lowest crime rates in the world are in countries where having guns is mandatory. Gun related crime might be reduced the UK way, but crime in general is not.
Sure in a country where posession of a firearm is mandatory, probably all crime would involve a gun so the rate would be phenominal. I'd take 100% where one old lady had her purse stolen in the course of a year over 30% where a million old ladies had their purses stolen.
Think of the "Wild West" that people like to bring up when they hear this argument. Do your homework, look at the ACTUAL crimerates in the west. There was very LITTLE crime in the "wild" west compared to elsewhere in the country. Lots of dime novels, very little truth to it all.
Since we use a small fraction of our brain (the amount various depending on what source you ask, some say less than 10 some say less than 30, I say less than 10 is less than 30 but 10 is probably only counting conscious usage, 30 is probably counting all brain activity), it may only cause you to use some of it that isn't normally used at all, while the rest of us go without.
Or it could be the portion which allows us to more precisely control certain muscles allowing us to urinate with a little more pressure.
Then again he could be tone deaf. I suspect the first is most likely and the last two are equally likely. Neurons are after all Neurons, and I doubt the brain would neglect to use Neurons it needs if there are a bunch of extra Neurons laying around unused.
This is NOT a safe technique to apply in combination with a tinfoil hat. That's what THEY want you to think.
All the while if you really apply current to your hat they will use specially crafted rays to go through that current to your brain, or the higher tech greys can even wirelessly ride in via the magnetic field which will now surround the hat when current is applied.
I'm warning you, don't do it or YOU could end up being the next president or some other puppetlike official!
Like I'm concerned with what is a hassle for you. Sorry but wanting to browse porn in the comfort of your bed isn't a good enough reason for clogging my airwaves.
Start using WiFi properly and encourage others to do the same. WiFi should only be used when a wired solution will not work. If the distance is only 10ft and wireless can penetrate it, most likely a wired solution will work.
"The fact that life (tubeworms) is sustainable in these highly toxic environments is simply short of amazing."
Damn by your reckoning we are REALLY going to have to work hard to make the Amazing mark eh?
For me the bar is a tad lower, I find that a clear night sky makes the "simply" amazing mark for me. Life in highly toxic environments is beyond the simply amazing mark, hardly falling short of it;)
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"Thus speaks someone who I suspect has not created anything of aesthetic value in his life."
You'd be wrong on that count.
"Anybody who has understands that we let you access/use our output on our terms or not at all. The government may think they write the rules, but if the creators don't release their product, the legislation remains just so much hot air."
You'd be wrong on that one too. Before copyright existed there were no shortage of artists, playwrights, authors, etc releasing their works. Without copyright you realize that all works are part of public domain by default right? EVERYWHERE, under ANY legislature.
My post wasn't opinion, it was fact.
"Now you're being unfair, I never said nor did I imply that my work is gods gift to mankind or even that I'm a good artist for that matter. It's when people misappropriate the work unfairly without due credit, regardless if it beautiful or ugly (subjective) - if I'm proud of it of cource I'll get pissed if someone doesn't even bother to ask for permission. I'm not talking about clipart or tiny buttonimages from a webpage, these tend to be extremely generic. No, I'm thinkng more along the lines of wallpapers or such which may have taken many, many hours to make. The artwork I do does in fact usually end up being given away, mostly it's custom stuff for friends etc. I even tend to give them the Copyright if it portrays a unique quality of theirs!"
Now it's here that MY tone was too extreme. All I was really trying to impress is that copyright is not ownership and that the reason for that is that one cannot own a thought. An artist is certainly entitled to be proud of his work!!!
"How about the theory of relativity?"
Not unique at all, hell I myself thought of relativity before ever reading anything by Einstein. Although I can't say I offered the proofs Einstein did. I seriously doubt I'm the only one who independently reached the same conclusions.
The troops there aren't in a police capacity, they are there in the capacity of a threat. It wouldn't be much of a farse if the common grunt on the field knew what was going on either.
You speak almost as if these predictions aren't what many execs look at when they decide to follow the crowd.
Is there anyone who yum's it from the tiny official repository rather than from the highly stable and secure, not to mention drastically larger 3rd party sources?
"$50/year for updates, that seems pretty decent to me!"
If they want me to pay for something that is free, then I at least want them to give me the updates for free. Unless that $50 covers updates AND support. In which case they should change it so the updates are free and support costs $50/yr.
"art is subject to Copyright laws."
Absolutely and the parent's implication that it is ok to heist it is entirely wrong.
"does belong to someone unless explicitly stated to be public domain"
It's this part of your statement that is wrong and this line of thinking must be corrected wherever seen. It's particularly important to correct (even anally so) someone who creates copyrighted works and has this wrong view. When any man creates a work subject to copyright, that work is owned by mankind, not by the man who made it (although the man owns the physical object, that isn't what is subject to copyright)!
Copyright is the OWNER ie mankind (or the nation on it's behalf) granting you temporary and limited controls by contract for a limited term. It's a way of saying thankyou. You own the copyright, not the material which is copyrighted.
Your pride you may be entitled to, but it becomes arrogance to think to own the miracle of man's imagination, even the piece of it you bear through life. Human history shows in thousands upon thousands of documented instances that NO idea is unique. You can think something first, but even if you never tell a soul there will plenty of others who form the same thought.
ISP is an abbreviation for Internet service provider. DB is an abbreviation for Database.
Programmers do NOT in my experience use args rather than arguments when they are not specifically talking/writing to/for other programmers. Also args is still just an abbreviated form of the word arguments and can easily be figured out if used in context by someone who would understand the full word used in the same context.
Abbreviating is a common practice in internet communications and is used extensively in virtually all areas of communication. It works well because the reader can generally figure out the meaning.
Delta-v on the other hand bears NO relation to it's meaning whatsoever. It is NOT an abbreviation, rather it's a randomly chosen piece of jargon which serves no actual purpose. All of the above examples could be interpreted easily in place of the full terms, if used in context, by an individual of reasonable intelligence who would understand the full terms used in the same context.
Delta-v on the other hand must be defined before anyone understands it, attempts to decipher it's meaning when used in context do NOT have a benefit of any association to said meaning. You could as well decide to attach that meaning to the word "bob" and the choice would be no less arbitrary.
In short, ISP is a practical shortening of a long term and if anything is easier to understand than the full term. Delta-v is the creation of a pompous ass to make it easier to distinguish the initiated from the unwashed masses. In this way it shares common ground with many other things in the physics and scientific world in general. If you want further evidence of this, look to astronomy and the naming of extraterrestrial bodies.
"Now there's not a single nation in Europe that equals the United States."
True enough.
"Together they do the job quite nicely though."
That's fairly amusing, even if far from true.
"Then maybe our leaders wouldn't feel like it's necessary to station troops all over the planet."
My friend, I truely hope you aren't as a snowed as you sound. Even most of those who call us warmongers these days haven't gotten the big picture. All of those places that we've "policed" we are OCCUPYING not policing, there is a rather substantial difference. The switch in terms keeps the rest of the world from getting in an uproar and calling us war mongers.
Think about the pattern, we "try to help" a small strategic (in some fashion, economics, advantageous location, threating to us, resources, etc) nation. Oh goodie us, we are such good dudely do rights we are. So we send troops to "help", next thing you know we are "helping" oversee a new puppe... err democratic government.
Oddly enough, our troops actually NEVER leave. Oh their numbers reduce once the pup... err democratic government is established and in power but our presence is always kept in place. Hell we still keep massive deposts of military resources in GERMANY.
We aren't merely the super power of the moment my friend, we are Rome and more or less rule the known world. Rome didn't rise in a day, and Rome didn't fall in a day, rather it took centuries for it's power to be chipped away.
Like Rome we are sure to fall, I'd prefer it sooner than later but don't see it as being something likely to happen during the lifetime of anyone alive today.
"A military that can protect the United States is fine by me. An economy in the upper half of the world is more than many could ask for."
Agreed on that.
"Damn I'd like to see us get out of the world police business and back to the "working on making America better" business."
I can not exactly say I'd like to see us get "back" to it, since that would imply that was the aim of our nation at some previous point in time. But in general I think that would be a good direction to start going at some point.
I thought the US already claimed the moon when we first planted our flag there? Just as explorers did in times of old when discovering and claiming new lands for their nation?
Also to the best of my knowlege the only ones to dispute this claim were the Russians, and the Russians lost the cold war buddy.
If you think we USians can't hold that much territory you obviously haven't read the new airforce "space superiority" proposals (which are also in contradiction to your pittly international treaties).
heh, I bash MS products damn near constantly. I hold a MCSE and MCSD certification.
Microsoft feels I know what I'm talking about when I tell you that MS software cannot be secured to the point where a system running it should EVER be connected to the internet or any other large network.
Further, I've RTFM'd a few windows versions. I've never really found any useful information in the little getting started booklet. I've been looking for further documentation of note but haven't found any yet. Seriously, not much of a manual here.
"get real, no OS is secure unless you config it to the level of security you need/want/forced-to-use (ignorent exec's without a clue making desisions)"
True enough, there are numerous OS's you can do this with. Your just really limited as to what levels security it's possible for a windows configuration to obtain.
"get off the hate-wagon, be constructive"
Every day I go out and help small business owners realise why they should choose linux or at least being migrating their critical systems away from windows. We start small, backend servers, locking down the windows desktops as much as possible, replacing ie with firefox, etc.
Of course there are holes in both open source and closed source software. Although you didn't mention any linux vulnerabilities in that list (linux is an OS, aka a kernel).
There are some big differences, one is the consequence of holes being executed. Another is the ease with which those holes can be executed. Probably the biggest issue though is how many are zero-day exploits.
There are holes in every piece of software, they are there, accept it. If a bug is reported and patched it certainly shouldn't be considered a knock against the software!! Hell that is proof that the development team actually IS doing something! If they find 50 security holes in application X, that means someone has to look 50 times harder to find an exploitable hole in application X. Hell finding and fixing a hole without it ever being exploited should be awarded with a medal. Further most reported and patched holes (particulary those found by the anal SOB's of the open source world) are only THEORETICALLY exploitable to begin with!
Where holes found and patched are evidence of programmers doing something right. Zero day exploits are the stuff of failure and what you should look for. There are loads of these out there for windows.
"I did not refer to Gaim, but I would include the apparent more severe issues spoken about in the grandparent posts such as "libxml2 and httpd" and "Xfree86"."
K, lets look at this:
libxml2 - This has WHAT to do with linux? To the best of my knowledge this isn't system software or used by anything that could even remotely be called part of the OS.
httpd - A webserver? Don't you think that is a pretty far stretch? Do you know how many different webservers are available which run on linux? Hell I don't generally hear anyone claiming IIS vulnerabilities are part of windows and IIS is produced by Microsoft and included with the OS! I'd say a general rule of thumb would be that if the software runs on other platforms, it's certainly NOT part of any given platform. Apache runs on ALOT of platforms including windows, a security hole in it makes a windows box running apache just as vulnerable as a linux box.
XFree86 - Again this doesn't pass the platform test, x can be run on lots of platforms, again including windows. In MS windows the GUI is the primary interface to the OS, in the linux(*nix) world the cli is the primary interface. I don't just think it's wrong to group X vulnerabilities in with linux vulernabilities, I think anyone who is concerned with security on a box is an idiot if they have X installed on that system. They are even more so if they actually run X on it (as opposed to just leaving the libs on the disk for dependency purposes).
It's all about polling frequency really, once both ends have agreed on that binary smoke signals are easy.
No actually the civil AND criminal penalties apply to EACH pirated copy. More copies does not magically create a new crime.
Look Buddy, haven't you seen southpark? You damned Canadians, with your square heads and unattached jaws that open and close leaving a hole in your head while you talk, are just going to have to accept your place in things.
With that said, I'll be moving in next door later this week (anything to get away from religious rule).
I thought this might be taking place in a real country. Hell Canada could be renamed "USA Part Deux" without detracting from it a bit.
It seems to me that the rest of North America should just give in and accept that it's all really the US anyway.
"Who in their right mind would ever consider putting a firewall, email, web server, and IRC on the same box? A *firewall* for God's sakes. I wouldn't put that combination together on any one box, even with Xen 2.0."
Someone who only has one or two boxes?
The lowest crime rates in the world are in countries where having guns is mandatory. Gun related crime might be reduced the UK way, but crime in general is not.
Sure in a country where posession of a firearm is mandatory, probably all crime would involve a gun so the rate would be phenominal. I'd take 100% where one old lady had her purse stolen in the course of a year over 30% where a million old ladies had their purses stolen.
Think of the "Wild West" that people like to bring up when they hear this argument. Do your homework, look at the ACTUAL crimerates in the west. There was very LITTLE crime in the "wild" west compared to elsewhere in the country. Lots of dime novels, very little truth to it all.
Since we use a small fraction of our brain (the amount various depending on what source you ask, some say less than 10 some say less than 30, I say less than 10 is less than 30 but 10 is probably only counting conscious usage, 30 is probably counting all brain activity), it may only cause you to use some of it that isn't normally used at all, while the rest of us go without.
Or it could be the portion which allows us to more precisely control certain muscles allowing us to urinate with a little more pressure.
Then again he could be tone deaf. I suspect the first is most likely and the last two are equally likely. Neurons are after all Neurons, and I doubt the brain would neglect to use Neurons it needs if there are a bunch of extra Neurons laying around unused.
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This is NOT a safe technique to apply in combination with a tinfoil hat. That's what THEY want you to think.
All the while if you really apply current to your hat they will use specially crafted rays to go through that current to your brain, or the higher tech greys can even wirelessly ride in via the magnetic field which will now surround the hat when current is applied.
I'm warning you, don't do it or YOU could end up being the next president or some other puppetlike official!
Like I'm concerned with what is a hassle for you. Sorry but wanting to browse porn in the comfort of your bed isn't a good enough reason for clogging my airwaves.
Start using WiFi properly and encourage others to do the same. WiFi should only be used when a wired solution will not work. If the distance is only 10ft and wireless can penetrate it, most likely a wired solution will work.
"The fact that life (tubeworms) is sustainable in these highly toxic environments is simply short of amazing."
;)
Damn by your reckoning we are REALLY going to have to work hard to make the Amazing mark eh?
For me the bar is a tad lower, I find that a clear night sky makes the "simply" amazing mark for me. Life in highly toxic environments is beyond the simply amazing mark, hardly falling short of it
"filled (with) many thugs and such"
That's one of the things in dispute.