no, we'll make them all female and be sure to give them lips not an eraser for the head. There are ways to keep people interested in making them humanlike;)
Are you fscking nuts? Those robots would be expensive. We can afford to go wasting them like that. Send the humans in to fish out the targets and have the robots shoot the enemies.
Microsoft ones will look about right, but will pause every 3 steps and hesitate for 30 seconds for no apparent reason. Sometimes they will simply fall down and have to be powercyled. They will stop functioning if another robot is in the house and cannot communicate with them.
If you have True AI the intelligence would need to transcend these rules and thus would be able to make that determination on it's own.
We want intelligence, and yet we want control, and yet no creature with much intelligence allows itself to be controled except for it's own benefit (and in making that determination it's already defied true control).
No more than we should accept that humans are just another animal. Which means, of course we should. But the answer isn't to raise our consideration of their value, it's to decrease the consideration of our own. The human animal has reached a level of arrogance no other has even dreamed of.
"can't we just invade them saying these robots are WMD?"
No and here is why.
1. They don't have any oil we can be gracious enough to purchase at extraordinarily discounted prices to fund the rebuilding.
2. We would have to bomb them for 10yrs FIRST that way everything is blown up and while we are in control we will graciously arrange for the oil money we robbed em err kindly paid them for the oil be used to pay US contractors to rebuild all the stuff we blew up.
" 1: the practical application of science to commerce or industry [syn: engineering]"
It's no longer practical when it interferes with the growth of the net.
"I don't know if you noticed, but your country shares a common border with South America."
umm no, we don't. Look a bit more closely at your maps. Our continent shares a border with south america, not our country.
"Ah, I use a telephone for the first one (its nice to hear a voice don'tca know) and the second, well hardly "critical" say, in a natural disaster kind of way. At least the news being spread isn't going to be of use to those in the effected area as ham-radios would be - i.e. to co-ordinate rescue efforts. "
Using high speed internet allows for video and voice conference. You can route phone communications through it as well. Simply because you don't utilize technology hardly means it doesn't exist.
co-oridinating rescue efforts requires only short range communications. The best you've got for hf is calling for help to begin with. For that I refer you to by past comments.
"I knew some people working on the technology at university whist I was doing an Engineering degree"
BPL speeds are phenominal compared with your average internet connection. I doubt they'd compare with your university link. But BPL is looking to reach where dialup can't and to replace dialup. It EASILY smokes a dialup link.
"..Into your home? Tell me, do you run a business from your house - let alone one that could be considered to require these "critical communications"? Are you seriously concidering running your communications over powerline, in the unfortunate event that this technology actually is allowed to be used? Wouldn't it be far better to get a slighty faster connection - being that the comms to your house are so critical? "
Business is nice and all, but explain to me why police, fire, disaster services are incapable of being contacted via the net with instant communications?
GNU/Linux does not exist. Either your using the term Linux to specify the kernel, linux as a generic term for any distribution which has the Linux kernel at it's core, or you should specify that you are refering to X Linux. When Stallman is free to call his linux distribution GNU/Linux if he prefers.
no, only the maintainers and a selected few actually have access to the CVS and they don't neccesarily have to commit the patches. However anyone is free to fork and there is no such thing as national secrets or classified.
UserBSD would no longer have a legitimate claim to being a superior system in terms of functionality if the code were taken, improved (not hard to improve on a work base, just add ANYTHING of any value whatsoever or fix a single bug and don't contribute back) then the stolen system would be superior only because of the work of others they didn't have to do.
linux, don't keep up with the market these days eh? Mac is number 3 on the desktop now. Despite linux on the desktop is dead sayers.
I myself would certainly rather work with MacOS X than windows, but given complete choice I'll go with linux, which gives me power that isn't yet matured in the Mac GUI and lacks the proprietary ties.
It's real simple. A D3 costs the same whether you use have the upload bandwidth or all of it. The issue is that they want to preserve the upload bandwidth for dedicated hosting etc.
When you talk about backbone links that are x speed, they are x up and x down simultaneously so are essentially two pools of bandwidth, the up bandwidth and down bandwidth. They have to give some up to make down useful, but not nearly so much, so they give very little and keep the difference for servers and other services that need it. Which is part of why running a server is typically against the TOS for home users. (Kazaa is not morally wrong, but it would in any reasonable sense qualify as a server and therefore IS valid reason to bump a user)
Not everybody with high upload usage is doing anything wrong either. Sharing files isn't illegal, sharing COPYRIGHTED FILES in which the COPYRIGHTS BELONG TO SOMEONE ELSE and you DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO SHARE THE MATERIAL with another party is illegal. I can send divx encoded home movies to my mother 24/7 and still be engaging in legitimate activity. Or I could be a business with an offsite backup running that requires me upload immense amounts of data. Or an active kernel contributor who downloads and uploads kernel source numerous times a day.
upload really doesn't tell you anything about whether or not the activity it's being used for is legitimate.
Really? I didn't know that I was purchasing access to a shared resource. I was under the impression I was purchasing my own private link of x speed and didn't have to share x speed with anyone.
It's not hard to figure bandwidth. If you sell me a link x speed for x number of hours then it's x speed x60secx60minxhours. That's the bandwidth, real simple, same way an ISP calculates how much bandwidth THEY have. The only difference is I'm paying for a link which is slower and therefore has less bandwidth. Since the whole hours thing was fought until it reached unlimited hours, that makes my bandwidth per month connection speed x 60sec x 60min x number of hours in this particular month. Impossible for me to exceed since I cannot exceed the capacity of my connection.
Except that the term "Unlimited" was used as indication of time length of connection in response to companies providing x number of hours/month. This went back and forth with the number of hours going up (there never was a restriction with any service I've heard of on time of day) until finally people started advertising Unlimited internet access rather than a fixed number of hours. It was clearly specifiying how much time you could spend online.
Bandwidth really isn't arguable, if you pay for a 56k internet link, for 20hours a month, you add up 56kbit x 60 sec, x 60 min, x 20hrs and that is how much bandwidth I've paid for. If I've paid for a 56k internet link unlimited hours a month then you start the same way, 56kbit x 60 sec, x 60 min, x24, x30 and you'll get the average bandwidth I've paid for. It is impossible for me to exceed my connection speed and therefore the bandwidth I've paid for.
Unlimited access certainly did NOT mean I no longer have a fixed number of hours instead they make up an arbitrary limit depending on how much I use my internet connection to it's full capacity.
The terms of service certainly doesn't prevent false advertising charges. Companies have been slammed for false advertising when the fine print was too fine but present in the ad.
It doesn't just have to be there, it has to be readable. In a commercial if spoken it has to be hearable, etc.
oh give me a break, they have to audit their code to be sure they aren't breaking any licenses, how is that different from a closed source project?
If you are releasing your code under the gpl as well you can't get screwed. If you close it up, you deserve to get screwed, if you bsd it, you given everyone permission to screw you.
Promoting the BSD license is certainly a bad idea or any license which doesn't carry the requirements of the GPL. If the million dollar contributor doesn't like it, can him and his million with him.
Besides which the linux kernel surpassed the BSD kernel long ago. I certainly has more in terms of feature and capability, and gives nothing to BSD's kernel in terms of stability.
I'd almost think it's Microsoft or Apple making that Donation since they obviously have the intention of stealing the blood and sweat of open source developers and putting it in their proprietary code.
I like MacOS X, it's a great system. But how does somewhere about last in the small server market, 3rd in the desktop, and nonexistant in the embedded or high end server or mainframe put it on top?
"6. It's can't justfy destryoing the tradition of a worthwile hobby for the sake of saving a few dollars on your broadband bill each month. Call me a moron, but I just can't see the benefits."
This isn't about saving a couple bucks on broadband. Hell I personally wouldn't benefit one iota from BPL, I already have a wireless link to a t1 that is only used during banking hours (except by me). For that link I only had to pay for the equiptment and that's paid for.
This is about reaching those who cannot get internet access. This is about emergency and critical communications which are carried on the web every second of every day as opposed to TRUELY being the only reasonable option once a decade. Fast access to porn and slashdot is great an all but if it were just that I'd agree with you. But we aren't talking about a recreational medium as opposed to an emergency one.
We are talking about medium used daily in emergency and news communications. Daily in financial transactions. Daily to spread technology, learning and science throughout the world (including news and updates in *gasp* ham radio, although from what I've seen on the web hams have under utilized it). The capabilities of the web certainly trump those of radio, there is more to do if you want to pit hobby versus hobby and web technology (on hundreds of fronts from web design to programming to IM, etc etc etc) certainly there is no denying that there is more to do and more people doing it on the web than ham radio.
As for training, most hams will come from the same places they do now. Largely military training, some commercial radio operators who tinker at home. Most hams could better realize their communication goals via the web with technologies like this. With BPL the average link speed of those who CAN get the web goes up as well.
"small disasters"
I'd argue pretty much all disasters. A hurricane is about the only thing that will knock out all power and communications which also REQUIRES immediate emergency contact AND has a potential of that contact actuallying bringing assistance in time. It would also have to be a hurricane in which radio operators couldn't relay to each other (something which would be greatly facilitated by getting rid of licensing requirements for non-HF radio) within that 100 mile radius to relay the call for help. And one which we didn't see coming beforehand and therefore the radio call isn't redudant (basically something that never happens nowdays). Further, the power and emergency requirement would actually have to come so fast that 2mins to IM or email emergency assistance couldn't happen before it knocked out all communications.
Let's not forget, the hurricane must occur where there is no military base to contact within 100miles as well (they don't and should not use BPL, they already have fast links, and constantly have HF equiptment which can be used to contact other military bases) something which isn't going to be the case in say florida with the large number of air force and naval bases located there... or georgia with the large army bases there. Or really anywhere along the east coast or texas for that matter.
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umm yes but what about bisexual females who like to bring 6 friends to make their boyfriends and husbands scream with utter and true pleasure.
We can't discriminate against them.
no, we'll make them all female and be sure to give them lips not an eraser for the head. There are ways to keep people interested in making them humanlike ;)
Are you fscking nuts? Those robots would be expensive. We can afford to go wasting them like that. Send the humans in to fish out the targets and have the robots shoot the enemies.
Microsoft ones will look about right, but will pause every 3 steps and hesitate for 30 seconds for no apparent reason. Sometimes they will simply fall down and have to be powercyled. They will stop functioning if another robot is in the house and cannot communicate with them.
If you have True AI the intelligence would need to transcend these rules and thus would be able to make that determination on it's own.
We want intelligence, and yet we want control, and yet no creature with much intelligence allows itself to be controled except for it's own benefit (and in making that determination it's already defied true control).
So long as they are female, horny, and have incredible bodies. I see nothing wrong with denying them basic rights.
No more than we should accept that humans are just another animal. Which means, of course we should. But the answer isn't to raise our consideration of their value, it's to decrease the consideration of our own. The human animal has reached a level of arrogance no other has even dreamed of.
"can't we just invade them saying these robots are WMD?"
No and here is why.
1. They don't have any oil we can be gracious enough to purchase at extraordinarily discounted prices to fund the rebuilding.
2. We would have to bomb them for 10yrs FIRST that way everything is blown up and while we are in control we will graciously arrange for the oil money we robbed em err kindly paid them for the oil be used to pay US contractors to rebuild all the stuff we blew up.
Stop using XP, embrace an operating system that you can actually secure.
" 1: the practical application of science to commerce or industry [syn: engineering]"
It's no longer practical when it interferes with the growth of the net.
"I don't know if you noticed, but your country shares a common border with South America."
umm no, we don't. Look a bit more closely at your maps. Our continent shares a border with south america, not our country.
"Ah, I use a telephone for the first one (its nice to hear a voice don'tca know) and the second, well hardly "critical" say, in a natural disaster kind of way. At least the news being spread isn't going to be of use to those in the effected area as ham-radios would be - i.e. to co-ordinate rescue efforts. "
Using high speed internet allows for video and voice conference. You can route phone communications through it as well. Simply because you don't utilize technology hardly means it doesn't exist.
co-oridinating rescue efforts requires only short range communications. The best you've got for hf is calling for help to begin with. For that I refer you to by past comments.
"I knew some people working on the technology at university whist I was doing an Engineering degree"
BPL speeds are phenominal compared with your average internet connection. I doubt they'd compare with your university link. But BPL is looking to reach where dialup can't and to replace dialup. It EASILY smokes a dialup link.
"..Into your home? Tell me, do you run a business from your house - let alone one that could be considered to require these "critical communications"? Are you seriously concidering running your communications over powerline, in the unfortunate event that this technology actually is allowed to be used? Wouldn't it be far better to get a slighty faster connection - being that the comms to your house are so critical? "
Business is nice and all, but explain to me why police, fire, disaster services are incapable of being contacted via the net with instant communications?
GNU/Linux does not exist. Either your using the term Linux to specify the kernel, linux as a generic term for any distribution which has the Linux kernel at it's core, or you should specify that you are refering to X Linux. When Stallman is free to call his linux distribution GNU/Linux if he prefers.
no, only the maintainers and a selected few actually have access to the CVS and they don't neccesarily have to commit the patches. However anyone is free to fork and there is no such thing as national secrets or classified.
That's assuming the name is the selling point.
UserBSD would no longer have a legitimate claim to being a superior system in terms of functionality if the code were taken, improved (not hard to improve on a work base, just add ANYTHING of any value whatsoever or fix a single bug and don't contribute back) then the stolen system would be superior only because of the work of others they didn't have to do.
linux, don't keep up with the market these days eh? Mac is number 3 on the desktop now. Despite linux on the desktop is dead sayers.
I myself would certainly rather work with MacOS X than windows, but given complete choice I'll go with linux, which gives me power that isn't yet matured in the Mac GUI and lacks the proprietary ties.
It's real simple. A D3 costs the same whether you use have the upload bandwidth or all of it. The issue is that they want to preserve the upload bandwidth for dedicated hosting etc.
When you talk about backbone links that are x speed, they are x up and x down simultaneously so are essentially two pools of bandwidth, the up bandwidth and down bandwidth. They have to give some up to make down useful, but not nearly so much, so they give very little and keep the difference for servers and other services that need it. Which is part of why running a server is typically against the TOS for home users. (Kazaa is not morally wrong, but it would in any reasonable sense qualify as a server and therefore IS valid reason to bump a user)
Not everybody with high upload usage is doing anything wrong either. Sharing files isn't illegal, sharing COPYRIGHTED FILES in which the COPYRIGHTS BELONG TO SOMEONE ELSE and you DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO SHARE THE MATERIAL with another party is illegal. I can send divx encoded home movies to my mother 24/7 and still be engaging in legitimate activity. Or I could be a business with an offsite backup running that requires me upload immense amounts of data. Or an active kernel contributor who downloads and uploads kernel source numerous times a day.
upload really doesn't tell you anything about whether or not the activity it's being used for is legitimate.
Really? I didn't know that I was purchasing access to a shared resource. I was under the impression I was purchasing my own private link of x speed and didn't have to share x speed with anyone.
It's not hard to figure bandwidth. If you sell me a link x speed for x number of hours then it's x speed x60secx60minxhours. That's the bandwidth, real simple, same way an ISP calculates how much bandwidth THEY have. The only difference is I'm paying for a link which is slower and therefore has less bandwidth. Since the whole hours thing was fought until it reached unlimited hours, that makes my bandwidth per month connection speed x 60sec x 60min x number of hours in this particular month. Impossible for me to exceed since I cannot exceed the capacity of my connection.
Except that the term "Unlimited" was used as indication of time length of connection in response to companies providing x number of hours/month. This went back and forth with the number of hours going up (there never was a restriction with any service I've heard of on time of day) until finally people started advertising Unlimited internet access rather than a fixed number of hours. It was clearly specifiying how much time you could spend online.
Bandwidth really isn't arguable, if you pay for a 56k internet link, for 20hours a month, you add up 56kbit x 60 sec, x 60 min, x 20hrs and that is how much bandwidth I've paid for. If I've paid for a 56k internet link unlimited hours a month then you start the same way, 56kbit x 60 sec, x 60 min, x24, x30 and you'll get the average bandwidth I've paid for. It is impossible for me to exceed my connection speed and therefore the bandwidth I've paid for.
Unlimited access certainly did NOT mean I no longer have a fixed number of hours instead they make up an arbitrary limit depending on how much I use my internet connection to it's full capacity.
The terms of service certainly doesn't prevent false advertising charges. Companies have been slammed for false advertising when the fine print was too fine but present in the ad.
It doesn't just have to be there, it has to be readable. In a commercial if spoken it has to be hearable, etc.
If you took the most current and fully patched XP without a firewall and stood it up on the net it would be rooted in minutes as well.
I fail to see what if any point you were making?
oh give me a break, they have to audit their code to be sure they aren't breaking any licenses, how is that different from a closed source project?
If you are releasing your code under the gpl as well you can't get screwed. If you close it up, you deserve to get screwed, if you bsd it, you given everyone permission to screw you.
And this prevents microsoft from stealing my hardwork and putting it in windows how?
Promoting the BSD license is certainly a bad idea or any license which doesn't carry the requirements of the GPL. If the million dollar contributor doesn't like it, can him and his million with him.
Besides which the linux kernel surpassed the BSD kernel long ago. I certainly has more in terms of feature and capability, and gives nothing to BSD's kernel in terms of stability.
I'd almost think it's Microsoft or Apple making that Donation since they obviously have the intention of stealing the blood and sweat of open source developers and putting it in their proprietary code.
I like MacOS X, it's a great system. But how does somewhere about last in the small server market, 3rd in the desktop, and nonexistant in the embedded or high end server or mainframe put it on top?
"6. It's can't justfy destryoing the tradition of a worthwile hobby for the sake of saving a few dollars on your broadband bill each month. Call me a moron, but I just can't see the benefits."
This isn't about saving a couple bucks on broadband. Hell I personally wouldn't benefit one iota from BPL, I already have a wireless link to a t1 that is only used during banking hours (except by me). For that link I only had to pay for the equiptment and that's paid for.
This is about reaching those who cannot get internet access. This is about emergency and critical communications which are carried on the web every second of every day as opposed to TRUELY being the only reasonable option once a decade. Fast access to porn and slashdot is great an all but if it were just that I'd agree with you. But we aren't talking about a recreational medium as opposed to an emergency one.
We are talking about medium used daily in emergency and news communications. Daily in financial transactions. Daily to spread technology, learning and science throughout the world (including news and updates in *gasp* ham radio, although from what I've seen on the web hams have under utilized it). The capabilities of the web certainly trump those of radio, there is more to do if you want to pit hobby versus hobby and web technology (on hundreds of fronts from web design to programming to IM, etc etc etc) certainly there is no denying that there is more to do and more people doing it on the web than ham radio.
As for training, most hams will come from the same places they do now. Largely military training, some commercial radio operators who tinker at home. Most hams could better realize their communication goals via the web with technologies like this. With BPL the average link speed of those who CAN get the web goes up as well.
"small disasters"
I'd argue pretty much all disasters. A hurricane is about the only thing that will knock out all power and communications which also REQUIRES immediate emergency contact AND has a potential of that contact actuallying bringing assistance in time. It would also have to be a hurricane in which radio operators couldn't relay to each other (something which would be greatly facilitated by getting rid of licensing requirements for non-HF radio) within that 100 mile radius to relay the call for help. And one which we didn't see coming beforehand and therefore the radio call isn't redudant (basically something that never happens nowdays). Further, the power and emergency requirement would actually have to come so fast that 2mins to IM or email emergency assistance couldn't happen before it knocked out all communications.
Let's not forget, the hurricane must occur where there is no military base to contact within 100miles as well (they don't and should not use BPL, they already have fast links, and constantly have HF equiptment which can be used to contact other military bases) something which isn't going to be the case in say florida with the large number of air force and naval bases located there... or georgia with the large army bases there. Or really anywhere along the east coast or texas for that matter.