Maybe I don't understand the concept so this could be a stupid question but..
Why are we modifying hardware design to make up for the inadequecies of software? Why doesn't Gates just fix his design so that things like vbscript, Office, Outlook[Express] and the Operating System itself isn't so open to these vulnerabilities?
on a more off topic question, why is it that linux is immune to 99% of these viruses (is this a misconception?).
any insight is greatly appreciated.. or maybe just good humor too =P
you're probably one of those incompetant fools who just go buy any hardware thats on sale instead of researching the hardware vendor and make sure they're not a peice of shit (ie. Broadcom). It's no fault of linux that your hardware vendor doesn't release source, binary drivers, or hardware specs so someone else can write the drivers..
Even if that wasn't your issue, by your standards.. easier means 'better'. So I guess all those hordes of people still using windows and getting infected with a virus every tuesday are better off.. since its way easier to use.
If some catastrophic event happened that wiped out all the engineers of the world, we'd be left with people like you that, while they can operate a microwave, they have no concept of its workings.. and thus are hopeless when something actually DOES break.
By People demanding things to be easier and easier, what they're really saying is that they're too lazy to learn.. everyone wants a 0 learning curve.. that way a select few control the flow of information and the rest just gobble it up.. (ie. Windows users or Bush Supporters.)
haha now with that last comment I have no doubt that I'll be modded as troll or flamebait =P
hmm..
It's interesting how if I take a step back and look at this issue.. I see how most my life I've wrapped myself around the technology and not the other way around..
and you're right.. it's taken a LOT of effort and energy.. and while maybe I don't mind doing so, I can see how this can be hindering to anyone trying to use technology as the means to an end instead of the end itself..
but I do believe that it takes a group of such said people to make things so usable as OSX. Knoppix is a good example as well. Klaus Knopper wrapped himself around the linux installation process and put a lot of effort into that.. the end result being knoppix.. a install process that doesn't get any simpler..
but this argument is off topic as the discussion is about the usability of UI's and not the process of engineering them.
Plus, Linux isn't very good at laptops yet. Not when you compare it to Windows and MacOS.
I'd like to point out that Linux is 1 thing.. a Kernel.. and that I run it without any troubles fully supporting my ibook2 and a Toshiba laptop I have.. How well would OSX run on my toshiba, or Windows on my ibook2 for that matter? Again.. apples to oranges.. you should at least pick a specific distro to compare
Restricting yourself to one OS is shooting yourself in the foot (if you have the expertise to use more than one OS). They're all bad at something. It doesn't take much to strike a good balance, and most of us have more than one box anyway.
Except that you have the power (directly or indirectly ) to fix the inadequecies of linux because of the freedom the GPL gives you. You DO NOT have that freedom with other non open source os's and products. So while everyone who uses OSX is smug and happy now, who knows what will happen to the roadmap two years down the road.. and if its something you don't like.. tough shit.
So to reiterate, yes all Operating Systems have limitations. But not all operating systems have the freedom and flexibility to overcome those limitations outside of the vendor's discretion.
Q: How many arch's can you run OSX on?
A: One (PPC)
Q: How many File Systems do you have to choose from with OSX?
A: One, HFS+ (or two if you count HFS, both of which are terrible)
Q: How many desktop UI's do you have available to you?
A: One. Aqua
Q: How "customizable" is your interface (aqua).
A: pretty limited.
Q: How portable is the cocoa framework?
A: oh yeah, its not at all..
Q: How many vendor's do you have to choose from if the one you're with takes a direction that you don't like or can't work with?
A: None.
After you factor in all of these and add other things like major incompatibilities with glibc and bsd based systems you might as well argue that Windows is an excellent system to migrate to in the fact that it has all the same freedoms (or lack thereof). "Free as in Freedom" people.
Now if only we all lived in a communistic society, all the advantages of OSX, Aqua and Cocoa would be relevant..
Mod me as flamebait if you like, but know that you're only kidding yourself thinking that OSX is the answer to UI problems inherent in open source based os's and projects.
As mentioned, aptitude, innovation and hard-work is what we need.. not another wheel..
My boss can be a total bitch sometimes. She drools, screams inceasantly and demands every waking moment of my time. I'm on call 24/7 and I do mean 24/7. There hasn't been a day this week where I wasn't called by her at 4am and spent at least an hour working before getting to go back to sleep and wake up again at 7am to her voice. Oh, did I mention that there is no monetary reimbursement for this position? I get paid in shit, literally.. My boss is my 9 month old daughter..
On the bright side, she is definetley the most intelligent boss I've ever had and when I do spend time with her, its been the best use of my time among any other boss I worked for. Plus I'm guarenteed a vacation in another 17 years and 3 months!
If you look at all the people who donated to Bush from Microsoft, its all VP's and high level management that get paid the big bucks and donated the max of $2000, but most the ones that contributed to other candidates are all lower paid blue-collar from programmers to trainers and could only donate $200-$500 dollars..
What does that tell you about a "bush" economy.. other than those that are benefiting are the ones that are already able to retire..
I'll be glad to see bush go.. not that I'm a Kerry supporter.. but I'm just tired of all the crap.
SCO attacks IBM w/o proof.. Bush attacks Iraq w/o Proof... which one do you think will get away with it, without any consequences?
Now, let me know when Mozilla will do calendar, appointment book, task list, and email integration.
If you use firefox, install the Calendar extension.. these features have been around for quite a while..
If thats not what you want.. try Evolution, its free as well, and if you want it to connect to Exchange Servers.. theres a small fee for a plugin.. Maybe you haven't looked around enough for viable alternatives..
http://www.allofmp3.com offers DRM free at 1cent a megabyte and appears to be perfectly legal as well. They also support multiple bitrates for mp3, ogg, wma and other formats. I can purchase anywhere from 15 - 20 full albums for $10. I don't see any music service beating that anytime soon.
I'd like to point out that I haven't been infected by a worm or virus yet. Thats not to say my system is bug free.. though linux does have its ups when it comes to security. As far as spam goes, mail delivery needs to be redesigned. And not one of these dumbass MS solutions of a nickle an email.
Dont be an idiot.. no it wouldn't be unfair IF redhat had proof.. though SCO has no proof and has said all along that they need IBM to turnover everything under the sun so they can dig for some.
SCO doesn't have shit, and they know it.. the Linux community know's it.. The fact that SCO dropped their misappropriation charges SHOW's it and now they're just digging for shit HOPING and PRAYING they will find something to benefit their case.. but even if they don't it won't matter since the primary goal is TO WASTE TIME.
1.) SCO ALREADY licensed them use of this IP under the GPL and is now revoking that use even though they continued to distribute it after their lawsuit was filed and the stolen IP was supposedly known.
2.) You have NO IDEA what you just bought since SCO has no idea either, just look at the transcripts during the motion for discovery for IBM. They admit they can't provide what IBM has stolen until IBM provides them with everything under the sun so they can sift through it and find something.
3.) Since you DONT know what you licensed, there's nothing to keep SCO from coming back and saying "oh, we found some more stolen IP, and this ones really a whopper, so you'll have to license that too." Do you really think that 1 $699 license covers all acknowledged stolen IP as well as any IP found stolen in the future? They may re-assess its worth just like they re-assessed your rights to use that IP through the GPL.
Congratulations, you've just purchased a vapor license to "protect" your company and your customers.
If you're going to look at this from a business perspective, at least pretend you have some knowledge and experience in doing so. This isn't about funding more legal battles or supporting or not supporting SCO, this is and always has been about covering your ass.
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Maybe I don't understand the concept so this could be a stupid question but..
Why are we modifying hardware design to make up for the inadequecies of software? Why doesn't Gates just fix his design so that things like vbscript, Office, Outlook[Express] and the Operating System itself isn't so open to these vulnerabilities?
on a more off topic question, why is it that linux is immune to 99% of these viruses (is this a misconception?).
any insight is greatly appreciated.. or maybe just good humor too =P
http://www.allofmp3.com
No DRM
Supports Ogg, Mp3, Wma, MPC, etc..
is 1cent a megabyte
If you're rusty on your russian click on the 'english' link in the upper left hand corner..
You can pay via paypal or CC
They have gift certificates..
Other than being a loyal user, I am not affiliated with this company.
you're probably one of those incompetant fools who just go buy any hardware thats on sale instead of researching the hardware vendor and make sure they're not a peice of shit (ie. Broadcom). It's no fault of linux that your hardware vendor doesn't release source, binary drivers, or hardware specs so someone else can write the drivers..
Even if that wasn't your issue, by your standards.. easier means 'better'. So I guess all those hordes of people still using windows and getting infected with a virus every tuesday are better off.. since its way easier to use.
If some catastrophic event happened that wiped out all the engineers of the world, we'd be left with people like you that, while they can operate a microwave, they have no concept of its workings.. and thus are hopeless when something actually DOES break.
By People demanding things to be easier and easier, what they're really saying is that they're too lazy to learn.. everyone wants a 0 learning curve.. that way a select few control the flow of information and the rest just gobble it up.. (ie. Windows users or Bush Supporters.)
haha now with that last comment I have no doubt that I'll be modded as troll or flamebait =P
hmm..
It's interesting how if I take a step back and look at this issue.. I see how most my life I've wrapped myself around the technology and not the other way around..
and you're right.. it's taken a LOT of effort and energy.. and while maybe I don't mind doing so, I can see how this can be hindering to anyone trying to use technology as the means to an end instead of the end itself..
but I do believe that it takes a group of such said people to make things so usable as OSX. Knoppix is a good example as well. Klaus Knopper wrapped himself around the linux installation process and put a lot of effort into that.. the end result being knoppix.. a install process that doesn't get any simpler..
but this argument is off topic as the discussion is about the usability of UI's and not the process of engineering them.
Plus, Linux isn't very good at laptops yet. Not when you compare it to Windows and MacOS.
I'd like to point out that Linux is 1 thing.. a Kernel.. and that I run it without any troubles fully supporting my ibook2 and a Toshiba laptop I have.. How well would OSX run on my toshiba, or Windows on my ibook2 for that matter? Again.. apples to oranges.. you should at least pick a specific distro to compare
Restricting yourself to one OS is shooting yourself in the foot (if you have the expertise to use more than one OS). They're all bad at something. It doesn't take much to strike a good balance, and most of us have more than one box anyway.
Except that you have the power (directly or indirectly ) to fix the inadequecies of linux because of the freedom the GPL gives you. You DO NOT have that freedom with other non open source os's and products. So while everyone who uses OSX is smug and happy now, who knows what will happen to the roadmap two years down the road.. and if its something you don't like.. tough shit.
So to reiterate, yes all Operating Systems have limitations. But not all operating systems have the freedom and flexibility to overcome those limitations outside of the vendor's discretion.
and I can tell from the fact that you posted as an anonymous coward that you're really a 16 year old pimply faced kid with an attitude..
would you like a cookie?
couldn't agree more..
what we have here are a bunch Art Institute graduates that think they are CS major's or got one after the fact..
Lets look at this from a sane point of view.
Q: How many arch's can you run OSX on?
A: One (PPC)
Q: How many File Systems do you have to choose from with OSX?
A: One, HFS+ (or two if you count HFS, both of which are terrible)
Q: How many desktop UI's do you have available to you?
A: One. Aqua
Q: How "customizable" is your interface (aqua).
A: pretty limited.
Q: How portable is the cocoa framework?
A: oh yeah, its not at all..
Q: How many vendor's do you have to choose from if the one you're with takes a direction that you don't like or can't work with?
A: None.
After you factor in all of these and add other things like major incompatibilities with glibc and bsd based systems you might as well argue that Windows is an excellent system to migrate to in the fact that it has all the same freedoms (or lack thereof). "Free as in Freedom" people.
Now if only we all lived in a communistic society, all the advantages of OSX, Aqua and Cocoa would be relevant..
Mod me as flamebait if you like, but know that you're only kidding yourself thinking that OSX is the answer to UI problems inherent in open source based os's and projects.
As mentioned, aptitude, innovation and hard-work is what we need.. not another wheel..
"Unix nerds" who are switching to OSX are not Unix Nerds.. they're Unix Wannabe's that like aqua..
chicks dig console...
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My boss can be a total bitch sometimes. She drools, screams inceasantly and demands every waking moment of my time. I'm on call 24/7 and I do mean 24/7. There hasn't been a day this week where I wasn't called by her at 4am and spent at least an hour working before getting to go back to sleep and wake up again at 7am to her voice. Oh, did I mention that there is no monetary reimbursement for this position? I get paid in shit, literally.. My boss is my 9 month old daughter..
On the bright side, she is definetley the most intelligent boss I've ever had and when I do spend time with her, its been the best use of my time among any other boss I worked for. Plus I'm guarenteed a vacation in another 17 years and 3 months!
It's funny..
If you look at all the people who donated to Bush from Microsoft, its all VP's and high level management that get paid the big bucks and donated the max of $2000, but most the ones that contributed to other candidates are all lower paid blue-collar from programmers to trainers and could only donate $200-$500 dollars..
What does that tell you about a "bush" economy.. other than those that are benefiting are the ones that are already able to retire..
I'll be glad to see bush go.. not that I'm a Kerry supporter.. but I'm just tired of all the crap.
SCO attacks IBM w/o proof.. Bush attacks Iraq w/o Proof... which one do you think will get away with it, without any consequences?
Didn't Dell pull all of their AMD ads mysteriously? What exactly are they debating? Does Dell even sell 64bit Desktop systems?
Too many questions to be answered for me to take Dell or the BBB seriously..
Now, let me know when Mozilla will do calendar, appointment book, task list, and email integration.
If you use firefox, install the Calendar extension.. these features have been around for quite a while..
If thats not what you want.. try Evolution, its free as well, and if you want it to connect to Exchange Servers.. theres a small fee for a plugin.. Maybe you haven't looked around enough for viable alternatives..
lol, at the risk of being corrected again, i thank you for your correction =].
can you say bugbear beagle mydoom 10 times fast?
yeah, focused on security..
if you want to debate open-source vs. MS.. start by naming three viruses/worms that effected even 10% of the OSS users.. then we can go from there..
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http://people.opera.com/howcome/2003/2/msn/
Maybe if we're lucky it'll work on more than just IE? MS sure has a great track record for Quality Assurance.
http://www.allofmp3.com offers DRM free at 1cent a megabyte and appears to be perfectly legal as well. They also support multiple bitrates for mp3, ogg, wma and other formats. I can purchase anywhere from 15 - 20 full albums for $10. I don't see any music service beating that anytime soon.
I'd like to point out that I haven't been infected by a worm or virus yet. Thats not to say my system is bug free.. though linux does have its ups when it comes to security. As far as spam goes, mail delivery needs to be redesigned. And not one of these dumbass MS solutions of a nickle an email.
Dont be an idiot.. no it wouldn't be unfair IF redhat had proof.. though SCO has no proof and has said all along that they need IBM to turnover everything under the sun so they can dig for some.
SCO doesn't have shit, and they know it.. the Linux community know's it.. The fact that SCO dropped their misappropriation charges SHOW's it and now they're just digging for shit HOPING and PRAYING they will find something to benefit their case.. but even if they don't it won't matter since the primary goal is TO WASTE TIME.
pull your head out of your ass
The problem is.
1.) SCO ALREADY licensed them use of this IP under the GPL and is now revoking that use even though they continued to distribute it after their lawsuit was filed and the stolen IP was supposedly known.
2.) You have NO IDEA what you just bought since SCO has no idea either, just look at the transcripts during the motion for discovery for IBM. They admit they can't provide what IBM has stolen until IBM provides them with everything under the sun so they can sift through it and find something.
3.) Since you DONT know what you licensed, there's nothing to keep SCO from coming back and saying "oh, we found some more stolen IP, and this ones really a whopper, so you'll have to license that too." Do you really think that 1 $699 license covers all acknowledged stolen IP as well as any IP found stolen in the future? They may re-assess its worth just like they re-assessed your rights to use that IP through the GPL.
Congratulations, you've just purchased a vapor license to "protect" your company and your customers.
If you're going to look at this from a business perspective, at least pretend you have some knowledge and experience in doing so. This isn't about funding more legal battles or supporting or not supporting SCO, this is and always has been about covering your ass.
You know what would have been even better than that?! If MS had wrote their shitty OS so it would be IMMUNE to most viruses.