Frankly, that's a BS answer as well. Other distros test. Are there any metrics that show this "Just works" in detail? If not, then its no better than those scam adds that promise one weird trick to solve your weight issue that doctors hate.
Which company? The Bank or the ATM builder? There are only so many ATM providers, I can only kind of blame banks. The ATM providers, should pay for this. Banks should switch away from DIebold and the like that have used Windows XP for so long.
Of course, that's a BS answer. Its not like Debian is the only distro that "Tests". You might as well say its a better operating system because it has "Codes". Or "uses a cpu". Its bland, non-descriptive and utterly useless as a comment.
Its not like debian users are the only ones guilty of this kind of worthless praise. So, I'm not beating up on debian users, just everyone who makes similar statements.
I've always been kind of confused by statements like that. "Just plain worked". The implication is that others don't just plain work. Well, what does debian not do that others do that make them not just plain work?
Yeah, way out of the loop. Maybe wayland is the latest craze, bue Enlightenment is old school. It was for a long time the year of the linux desktop hope. People here used to call linux desktops ugly. Then someone would chime in about how beautiful enlightenment was. So its kind of burned into the linux desktop nerd's memory.
Wayland has been discussed for at lest 4-5 years now.
Responding to my own post. Mark explained himself on Google plus (can't link to it directly but look for Jon Masters post about annoying a billionaire) :
"SBSA did not specify ACPI or any other crapware, and we were happy to support a standards-based approach. I think it's a poor effort if we can't achieve the goal of standards in a more modern, secure, open way."
So it appears that he supported one standardization effort, but it didn't specify ACPI. I don't know what the truth is as the relevant documents aren't public. Mark also claims that he did propose an alternative approach that would still allow a single kernel but not ACPI. Not sure how specific it was, or if it was anything beyond " Lets have the kernel guys do it!".
Yes, there are many fears of what a government could do to gain access. There is no way to avoid it currently. Saying ACPI has the potential for problems doesn't add anything new to the conversation that's been going on for years.
I'm guessing someone just informed him what his company agreed to, or he's gone a bit crazy.
So I don't understand why Mark is suddenly against it. Sudden change of heart leading Ubuntu to be non compatible with other linux operating systems? Again? I don't get it.
Well, yeah thats the way it is for the majority of schools. There are obviously some situations where that is not the case, like Chicago, where the mayor runs the schools. Or my school district when I was growing up, where we were being run by a federal judge due to decades of separate and very unequal education by race.
Well, before I get a mortgage on my house, the bank does an assessment on it to see if its actually worth the money I'm borrowing for it. Not because they want to be my friend, but because they understand that if I am overpaying for the house, I'll be more likely to get try and short sale it, or let it get foreclosed. That hurts the bank.
So, why shouldn't the government who is guaranteeing the loan get similar assurances? Its the practical thing to do as a lender.
Wait... what? Only a small portion of federal taxes go towards education. The vast majority of public schools are funded by the taxpayers in the school district, city, county, or state they are located in. Are you talking about state colleges/universities? This isn't about private vs public. Its about for profit vs non-profit. Non profit apparently does better in most cases.
Oh come on. The comment of "google spyware", combined with the fact that it does not make any sense to buy a chrome device if your intention is to put windows on it ( there are several availible at simular price points from a variety of sources), leads me to believe that they were trolling.
Oh, they all apply, but have a lesser effect on the larger federal government. There isn't nearly as much oversight in corruption of state representitives or state senators as there is in DC. In several states, including the one I live in, most people couldn't name or point out their state reps in a line up. There is little to no reporting on what is going on or why in the state capital.
Your reasons why comparisions are good, are the reason why I would allow them, but they'd need to be reviewed first to ensure they sound like good ideas and a good faith effort is being launched.
Exactly. States can't be counted on to do things better. It too easy for them to be corrupted by corrupt politicians, labor unions, large donors, mass ignorance of voters ect. Just look at all the attempts by states to remove evolution from text books or insert intelligent design.
If I were all powerful, I'd craft federal legislation that sets a national standard core curiculum, and set up a board that would review requests from states to opt out. If they wanted to expirament they could, but their plan would have to be approved. So they can't do stupid things like drop all math/science/litterature education.
Obviously trolling, but kind of an interesting question as the hardware isn't bad. I don't know why anyone would buy it with the intention of windows-izing it, but maybe the build quality is better than what the send windows in? Any case there are a million reasons for doing anything.
Only 32 bit windows would fit, due to the 16 GB of storage.
Also not sure if the open source Coreboot will work with windows 8.1. You'd need to install seabios first, that's supposed to work for earlier versions of windows. Not sure about 8.
" I don't know about you, but the idea that every single person in America who has ever had an injection has been protected because we harvest the blood of a forgettable sea creature with a hidden chemical superpower makes me feel a little bit crazy. This scenario is not even sci-fi, it's postmodern technology.'"
What? I think you are assuming that we share you beliefs that this is somehow wrong or soemthing? Or are you just marvelled at scietific acomplishments? Or are you the guy with the beret from xkcd, who gets awestruck with danishes?
If every user of stock windows 8 does not notice Metro... They need to seek medical attention immediately.
I think you meant something along the lines of "Not everyone hates Metro". But to be clear and fair, its the first thing any one with eyes will notice, and as such it deserves all the criticism it gets.
Yeah, there are some great things about windows 8 that does get lost by most users due to the Fkup that is metro. But this is how it is with Microsoft, great improvements behind the scenes get overlooked because they did something else even stupider and more noticeable. Such is their gift to the software world.
Compare/contrast with OSX early in its life. Early times, it was all about the back end, which pissed off OS 9 users as the UI had regressed significantly, even though it was much more stable and better performing. Eventually with the backend good enough they switched attention to the UI and fixed a bunch of regressions. Most of the complaints went away. Microsoft changed the UI for the worse for most of its users. Now its slowly fixing it, I think. Or making it much worse, its tough to tell sometimes with them. It really seems like they don't have a masterplan for the desktop/metro interfaces and are just floating in the proverbial wind. That kind of shit should have been done before any of the code was written.
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Now that's a good idea. Use voice recognition, and punish them in game.
Frankly, that's a BS answer as well. Other distros test. Are there any metrics that show this "Just works" in detail? If not, then its no better than those scam adds that promise one weird trick to solve your weight issue that doctors hate.
Which company? The Bank or the ATM builder? There are only so many ATM providers, I can only kind of blame banks. The ATM providers, should pay for this. Banks should switch away from DIebold and the like that have used Windows XP for so long.
Of course, that's a BS answer. Its not like Debian is the only distro that "Tests". You might as well say its a better operating system because it has "Codes". Or "uses a cpu". Its bland, non-descriptive and utterly useless as a comment.
Its not like debian users are the only ones guilty of this kind of worthless praise. So, I'm not beating up on debian users, just everyone who makes similar statements.
I've always been kind of confused by statements like that. "Just plain worked". The implication is that others don't just plain work. Well, what does debian not do that others do that make them not just plain work?
Yeah, way out of the loop. Maybe wayland is the latest craze, bue Enlightenment is old school. It was for a long time the year of the linux desktop hope. People here used to call linux desktops ugly. Then someone would chime in about how beautiful enlightenment was. So its kind of burned into the linux desktop nerd's memory.
Wayland has been discussed for at lest 4-5 years now.
Hawaii was the first, I think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...
https://plus.google.com/106265...
Responding to my own post. Mark explained himself on Google plus (can't link to it directly but look for Jon Masters post about annoying a billionaire) :
"SBSA did not specify ACPI or any other crapware, and we were happy to support a standards-based approach. I think it's a poor effort if we can't achieve the goal of standards in a more modern, secure, open way."
So it appears that he supported one standardization effort, but it didn't specify ACPI. I don't know what the truth is as the relevant documents aren't public. Mark also claims that he did propose an alternative approach that would still allow a single kernel but not ACPI. Not sure how specific it was, or if it was anything beyond " Lets have the kernel guys do it!".
Yes, there are many fears of what a government could do to gain access. There is no way to avoid it currently. Saying ACPI has the potential for problems doesn't add anything new to the conversation that's been going on for years.
I'm guessing someone just informed him what his company agreed to, or he's gone a bit crazy.
Its already been decided by the industry that its going to be ACPI.
And Canonical helped desgin it... with ACPI in it
http://www.businesswire.com/ne...
So I don't understand why Mark is suddenly against it. Sudden change of heart leading Ubuntu to be non compatible with other linux operating systems? Again? I don't get it.
So when did you finally decide to admit you were the founder of bitcoin?
Was that before or after you stopped beating your wife?
Well, yeah thats the way it is for the majority of schools. There are obviously some situations where that is not the case, like Chicago, where the mayor runs the schools. Or my school district when I was growing up, where we were being run by a federal judge due to decades of separate and very unequal education by race.
Well, before I get a mortgage on my house, the bank does an assessment on it to see if its actually worth the money I'm borrowing for it. Not because they want to be my friend, but because they understand that if I am overpaying for the house, I'll be more likely to get try and short sale it, or let it get foreclosed. That hurts the bank.
So, why shouldn't the government who is guaranteeing the loan get similar assurances? Its the practical thing to do as a lender.
Wait... what? Only a small portion of federal taxes go towards education. The vast majority of public schools are funded by the taxpayers in the school district, city, county, or state they are located in. Are you talking about state colleges/universities? This isn't about private vs public. Its about for profit vs non-profit. Non profit apparently does better in most cases.
Oh come on. The comment of "google spyware", combined with the fact that it does not make any sense to buy a chrome device if your intention is to put windows on it ( there are several availible at simular price points from a variety of sources), leads me to believe that they were trolling.
Oh, they all apply, but have a lesser effect on the larger federal government. There isn't nearly as much oversight in corruption of state representitives or state senators as there is in DC. In several states, including the one I live in, most people couldn't name or point out their state reps in a line up. There is little to no reporting on what is going on or why in the state capital.
Your reasons why comparisions are good, are the reason why I would allow them, but they'd need to be reviewed first to ensure they sound like good ideas and a good faith effort is being launched.
Exactly. States can't be counted on to do things better. It too easy for them to be corrupted by corrupt politicians, labor unions, large donors, mass ignorance of voters ect. Just look at all the attempts by states to remove evolution from text books or insert intelligent design.
If I were all powerful, I'd craft federal legislation that sets a national standard core curiculum, and set up a board that would review requests from states to opt out. If they wanted to expirament they could, but their plan would have to be approved. So they can't do stupid things like drop all math/science/litterature education.
Either there is a whoosh sound, its under my threshold of hearing, or your counting skills suck.
Obviously trolling, but kind of an interesting question as the hardware isn't bad. I don't know why anyone would buy it with the intention of windows-izing it, but maybe the build quality is better than what the send windows in? Any case there are a million reasons for doing anything.
http://windows.microsoft.com/e...
Only 32 bit windows would fit, due to the 16 GB of storage.
Also not sure if the open source Coreboot will work with windows 8.1. You'd need to install seabios first, that's supposed to work for earlier versions of windows. Not sure about 8.
http://www.coreboot.org/SeaBIO...
So what does the international market for desktop operating systems look like these days? Still 90% Windows, right?
http://www.netmarketshare.com/...
Not sure what your point is.
Eh, Every team has a bad Century or two. Right? We'll get that first world series championship in wrigley any year now. Just you watch.
Crypto-currencies can still be many things without "long term inherent stability", except for currency of course.
" I don't know about you, but the idea that every single person in America who has ever had an injection has been protected because we harvest the blood of a forgettable sea creature with a hidden chemical superpower makes me feel a little bit crazy. This scenario is not even sci-fi, it's postmodern technology.'"
What? I think you are assuming that we share you beliefs that this is somehow wrong or soemthing? Or are you just marvelled at scietific acomplishments? Or are you the guy with the beret from xkcd, who gets awestruck with danishes?
If every user of stock windows 8 does not notice Metro... They need to seek medical attention immediately.
I think you meant something along the lines of "Not everyone hates Metro". But to be clear and fair, its the first thing any one with eyes will notice, and as such it deserves all the criticism it gets.
Yeah, there are some great things about windows 8 that does get lost by most users due to the Fkup that is metro. But this is how it is with Microsoft, great improvements behind the scenes get overlooked because they did something else even stupider and more noticeable. Such is their gift to the software world.
Compare/contrast with OSX early in its life. Early times, it was all about the back end, which pissed off OS 9 users as the UI had regressed significantly, even though it was much more stable and better performing. Eventually with the backend good enough they switched attention to the UI and fixed a bunch of regressions. Most of the complaints went away. Microsoft changed the UI for the worse for most of its users. Now its slowly fixing it, I think. Or making it much worse, its tough to tell sometimes with them. It really seems like they don't have a masterplan for the desktop/metro interfaces and are just floating in the proverbial wind. That kind of shit should have been done before any of the code was written.