GGP is actually commenting on a different story on the front page, yet his comment made this thread. Seems to be happening often, lately. His post would be on-topic in here
No, but whiney, argumentative developers who just want to make an OS for the developers but still expect some kind of widespread adoption nonetheless have.
Ext4 is not even a chapter in the book of why Linux / FOSS is relatively where it was 10 years ago. The fact that the filesystem's in the mainstream kernel in conjunction with the comments in this thread do not paint a pretty picture.
To an outsider who didn't bother acquainting himself with all the facts (possibly by way of *shock*dodgy journalism*shock* or similar), one might get the impression the the Linux camp have been having problems with data corruption recently, or some yadayada and be really glad he gotthefacts(TM) and stuck with his Windows box. Most of the exposure seems to be over people arguing whose right, there is no outward appearance of anybody giving a fuck about non-1337 types that are losing files here.
The ad is designed to make people "Buy" a Mac rather than a PC. What they're doing is comparing what you "get" when you buy a Mac or a PC. There's no point in getting anal and splitting hairs when the point would "Whoosh!" over the heads everyone targetted by the ad. Macs are only PCs in your mind, there's no hard and fast definition - and I've need to change mine over the years.
Clone PCs and Macs set themselves apart right from the minute you turn them on. One one hand, a black screen turns into a grey screen, eventually replaced by the manufacturers logo and some little spinning pineapple thing while it boots, going on to display the login screen where it waits for you.
On the other, you see a sequence of usually white-on-black splashes of text, numbers, some lovely Energy Star logo reminiscent of the 80's, some rapidly increasing digits many foolishly believe to be a memory test. These screens are all at different video modes, causing your display to blink, often to go powersave and back while all these messages you'll never have time to (nor the need to) read fly by. Whether or not you'll even be able to see certain messages should you need to depends on how your display handles a picture whose size/sync rates change every second. This whole BIOS handing of add-in cards was an abortion at the turn of this century, by which time both Sun and Apple had adopted OpenFirmware (Apple went on to EFI). The BIOS is one of the most insulting things about the "PC" if you ask me, and we haven't even loaded an operating system yet!
Laptop manufactures like Dell have been able to pretty that up a little bit (still reminiscent of DOS in the 80s), but any BIOS system that accepts add-in cards also has to accept that each add-in card will have its own manufacturer- and architecture-specific startup code, and the manufacturers have gone to town with it to the point that a 10 year old UltraSparc will have finished booting Slowaris before a Dell PE2950 has even ventured a look at the boot-loader, probably still wondering if I want to press Control-Shift-Something-Unique-To-This-Particular-Card so I can change the PXEBOOT paramaters. For the fourth ethernet card in the system.
That, my friend, is one difference between a PC and a Mac, and if this affinity for BIOS is anything to do by, will be a difference for some time now. Interestingly, since Vista, many have bashed Microsoft for too much time "prettying the OS up". It seems to me that at Apple they've got an entire division looking and prettying the whole shebang up, and after ten years of trying make Linux work on my desktop, I for one really appreciate it.
It's pretty much implicit that where the ads refer to Macs and PCs they're referring to both the platform and the (most common) operating system. Given that at least 98% of the people who see the ad wouldn't even be aware there was such a distinction to be made, I think that's a given.
I dual boot OSX and Windows, if only to see the look on the faces of people like you when they've finally finished telling my why my Mac can't do all the things that someone else needs it to do.
I don't want, or need, to run Windows and the associated software released for it, but:
If I wanted, or needed to, I could, and have been able to for some years now. In fact, Windows runs just as badly on a Mac as on any old piece of crap. So badly you probably wouldn't notice you were using a Mac. That's probably how the fact that you can has eluded you for so long now.
Oh, look! I just made a folder on my desktop called "con". Still want to play 'look what you can't do'?
I have to chip in for ext2fsd as well, I use it is because I can't store >2GiB files on FAT32 partitions, which I need to do for transferring DV files back and forth between Linux tools and Windows/AvidXPress DV. It's wonderful, never caused me to fsck unnecessarily, and no data loss (that I've noticed) and when starting out I did calculate sha1sums just to check.
I can't find it anywhere googleing, but I remember some slashdotter posting that it is a feature of xfs to guarantee that every file opened for writing at the time of a crash will be deleted after the crash. (The reason given is that those files could possibly contain state that could be dangerous, which seems understandable in some circumstances)
I experience exactly this problem, but can't find any documentation for it. If it's the case, every XFS mount should show in the kernel log "warning: Make sure you've read the xfs featurelist, It might not be doing what you want". Does anybody know more about this?
I was out at Mother-in-law's farm the other day where I'd long ago stashed some machines I was going to get out again 'one day'. I saw my old SparcStation 1 on a trailer-load of rubbish headed for the tip, and wept a little. DOM on that was June 1989, had a big battery hand soldered onto the rtc/eeprom. Ran Solaris 2.6 and Mandrake Linux 7.1 (with X) on it. Just.
Along with it was a DEC Alpha whose specs I can't remember, apart from weighing one metric fuckton. Almost got NetBSD on that, but kept having crashes
Not myself, but had an A2000 which was great. IMO All Amigas since A500 Rev5 had great keyboards. A600 gets marked down for having a horrible layout, but still nice keys. Early A500s had keyboards so soft it was like typing on tits.
I'm sure there's room for a Monty Python skit about self-dialling modems and rich, featured Hayes command sets. (just in case you don't know, it's still around and is still used for example to dial through your cellphone to your mobile IP provider, or send/receive SMS messages. Good to see a standard I learned when I was a kid still around and useful.)
Sorry, an argument for not thinking isn't going to fly.
Clearly, you have yet to learn about the 'strawman' in your quest to be the most logical and consistent being that ever existed.
Your next sentence doesn't even make sense (unanswered questions but nothing to play out...?) so I won't even approach it. Just face it - you're choking on your foot.
Interesting point....I wonder if it would be possible to arrange for mass groups of people to retag collections of music with RIAA abuse and start playing it through last.fm.
Some people don't go full-courtroom when making personal decisions, perhaps? You infer the GP was aware of the 'first variation of the story', when it seems to me based on how he's reacting to the current story that he hasn't.
Why did you cancel on the day of the CBS buyout? Don' you think you should have given it a few more days or weeks to see how it really played out?
It could be that reading a story about Last.fm data being sold to RIAA prompted one to write a wee script to poison the data, purely out of spite, but lawful spite.
You really think that removing Autorun (after all these YEARS!) was an instance of Microsoft responding to customer complaints, rather than their own devs coming to the sad realisation that it was after all, a completely braindead, meritless and dangerous feature. How very cute. Microsoft removed Autorun for their own good. This isn't a case of Microsoft listening, it's a case of their users listening to people telling them "Don't bother installing Antivirus, just keep your reinstall CDs handy. As long as your computer will willing execute any random thing placed near it, the battle is already lost", and Microsoft begrudgingly accepting such a statement to be unfortunately true.
The didn't 'lose out' to smartphones exactly, they produced some called "Palm Treo". I don't know whether they're purely let down by the Windows Mobile OS, or whether they're crap to the core, but let me assure you, owning one is painful.
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GGP is actually commenting on a different story on the front page, yet his comment made this thread. Seems to be happening often, lately. His post would be on-topic in here
I'm sorry, but just to clear things up, you've actually made no argument whatsoever for running Linux.
Ext4 is not even a chapter in the book of why Linux / FOSS is relatively where it was 10 years ago. The fact that the filesystem's in the mainstream kernel in conjunction with the comments in this thread do not paint a pretty picture.
To an outsider who didn't bother acquainting himself with all the facts (possibly by way of *shock*dodgy journalism*shock* or similar), one might get the impression the the Linux camp have been having problems with data corruption recently, or some yadayada and be really glad he gotthefacts(TM) and stuck with his Windows box. Most of the exposure seems to be over people arguing whose right, there is no outward appearance of anybody giving a fuck about non-1337 types that are losing files here.
No, ext4 is new. The situation is not.
Clone PCs and Macs set themselves apart right from the minute you turn them on. One one hand, a black screen turns into a grey screen, eventually replaced by the manufacturers logo and some little spinning pineapple thing while it boots, going on to display the login screen where it waits for you.
On the other, you see a sequence of usually white-on-black splashes of text, numbers, some lovely Energy Star logo reminiscent of the 80's, some rapidly increasing digits many foolishly believe to be a memory test. These screens are all at different video modes, causing your display to blink, often to go powersave and back while all these messages you'll never have time to (nor the need to) read fly by. Whether or not you'll even be able to see certain messages should you need to depends on how your display handles a picture whose size/sync rates change every second. This whole BIOS handing of add-in cards was an abortion at the turn of this century, by which time both Sun and Apple had adopted OpenFirmware (Apple went on to EFI). The BIOS is one of the most insulting things about the "PC" if you ask me, and we haven't even loaded an operating system yet!
Laptop manufactures like Dell have been able to pretty that up a little bit (still reminiscent of DOS in the 80s), but any BIOS system that accepts add-in cards also has to accept that each add-in card will have its own manufacturer- and architecture-specific startup code, and the manufacturers have gone to town with it to the point that a 10 year old UltraSparc will have finished booting Slowaris before a Dell PE2950 has even ventured a look at the boot-loader, probably still wondering if I want to press Control-Shift-Something-Unique-To-This-Particular-Card so I can change the PXEBOOT paramaters. For the fourth ethernet card in the system.
That, my friend, is one difference between a PC and a Mac, and if this affinity for BIOS is anything to do by, will be a difference for some time now. Interestingly, since Vista, many have bashed Microsoft for too much time "prettying the OS up". It seems to me that at Apple they've got an entire division looking and prettying the whole shebang up, and after ten years of trying make Linux work on my desktop, I for one really appreciate it.
It's pretty much implicit that where the ads refer to Macs and PCs they're referring to both the platform and the (most common) operating system. Given that at least 98% of the people who see the ad wouldn't even be aware there was such a distinction to be made, I think that's a given.
Oh, look! I just made a folder on my desktop called "con". Still want to play 'look what you can't do'?
I have to chip in for ext2fsd as well, I use it is because I can't store >2GiB files on FAT32 partitions, which I need to do for transferring DV files back and forth between Linux tools and Windows/AvidXPress DV. It's wonderful, never caused me to fsck unnecessarily, and no data loss (that I've noticed) and when starting out I did calculate sha1sums just to check.
I experience exactly this problem, but can't find any documentation for it. If it's the case, every XFS mount should show in the kernel log "warning: Make sure you've read the xfs featurelist, It might not be doing what you want". Does anybody know more about this?
You're an ext4 developer aren't you? You're why I bought a Mac last week after a decade of trying in vain to use a Linux box as my #1 machine.
Along with it was a DEC Alpha whose specs I can't remember, apart from weighing one metric fuckton. Almost got NetBSD on that, but kept having crashes
Not myself, but had an A2000 which was great. IMO All Amigas since A500 Rev5 had great keyboards. A600 gets marked down for having a horrible layout, but still nice keys. Early A500s had keyboards so soft it was like typing on tits.
Similar story with the pylons of the Sydney Harbour Bridge
I'm not usually the type to go all 'Citation needed', but dude, what?
Seriously, don't ever try to be funny again.
I'm sure there's room for a Monty Python skit about self-dialling modems and rich, featured Hayes command sets. (just in case you don't know, it's still around and is still used for example to dial through your cellphone to your mobile IP provider, or send/receive SMS messages. Good to see a standard I learned when I was a kid still around and useful.)
Clearly, you have yet to learn about the 'strawman' in your quest to be the most logical and consistent being that ever existed.
Your next sentence doesn't even make sense (unanswered questions but nothing to play out...?) so I won't even approach it. Just face it - you're choking on your foot.
If the packets know how to get to your house, then so do the authorities.
You mean you're not already doing that?
Why did you cancel on the day of the CBS buyout? Don' you think you should have given it a few more days or weeks to see how it really played out?
It could be that reading a story about Last.fm data being sold to RIAA prompted one to write a wee script to poison the data, purely out of spite, but lawful spite.
The law doesn't 'buy' anything, you're talking about judges won't 'buy it'. With that word substitution, I unfortunately believe you are correct.
And in other countries we have these things called "Police interview rooms" where certain kinds of, uh, cryptanalysis take place.
You really think that removing Autorun (after all these YEARS!) was an instance of Microsoft responding to customer complaints, rather than their own devs coming to the sad realisation that it was after all, a completely braindead, meritless and dangerous feature. How very cute. Microsoft removed Autorun for their own good. This isn't a case of Microsoft listening, it's a case of their users listening to people telling them "Don't bother installing Antivirus, just keep your reinstall CDs handy. As long as your computer will willing execute any random thing placed near it, the battle is already lost", and Microsoft begrudgingly accepting such a statement to be unfortunately true.
The didn't 'lose out' to smartphones exactly, they produced some called "Palm Treo". I don't know whether they're purely let down by the Windows Mobile OS, or whether they're crap to the core, but let me assure you, owning one is painful.
Yeah, I don't remember quite having the same connection with her.