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New Mac Clone Maker 'Quo' To Open Retail Store
bughunter writes "Cnet is reporting that Mac clone maker Quo Computer plans to open its first retail location, selling Mac clones, on June 1st. To start, Quo will offer three desktop systems: the Life Q, Pro Q, and Max Q. While details of the components are not yet available, founder Rashantha De Silva said they are looking at Apple's system configurations for guidance. Pricing has also not been finalized on the desktop machines, but the company is looking to start pricing at less than $900. While Quo is starting off with the desktop machines, De Silva said it is looking at offering an Apple TV-like media server and a smaller computer similar to the Mac Mini. He acknowledges that Quo will likely face opposition from Apple, much like Psystar. 'They probably will (sue us),' De Silva said. 'There are others doing this, but we have a different attitude. There are thousands of people in the "Hackintosh" market, but many of them are creating bad products. I don't think anyone wins in that environment.'"
Instead of suing you into oblivion....
This is my Mac book,
there are many like it, but this one is mine!
Why would anyone want to run Mac OS on unsupported hardware? It's going to be unstable, missing features, and chances are that getting updates from Apple to install with or without hosing your installation is going to be a bitch.
If you want OS X that bad why not just buy a Mac?
I expect crowds of "real mac" fans to stand outside the shop driving away any potential customers.
Something about "retail store" sounds redundant to me.
I know Apple hardware is supposed to be of high quality, and it is often argued that buying a similar-quality PC would cost as much as a Mac. But I still believe there is enough excess profit to Apple for a clone maker to offer the same quality for less money. This is probably the reason Apple will not see Quo just as a manufacturer who will help popularize their OS.
Interesting. Cheap knockoffs sully the brand, but excellent ones cannibalize sales. There may be no hope for a would-be Mac clone maker without enough capital allocated to legal defense.
Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Basically, they're launching a retail store on Monday and don't know what configurations and prices will be for offer.
The same is true of the environment on Mars, but you're not going to change it. People complain that the only way to get supported access to an Apple OS is on Apple hardware is to be locked into Apple. The only way to get supported access to an Apple OS on non-Apple hardware will be to be locked into these third-party vendors. The theoretical solution - and best for the consumer - is for Apple to make it easier to install OS X (or whatever) on hardware they don't control. A show of hands for those who expect that to happen anytime soon? Didn't exactly get a breeze going from all of those hands flying up, did we?
Bark less. Wag more.
What is the top of the line model? The "Quid Pro".
and sue them!
I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
What exactly Quo think they will be doing different from others? Apple will definitely go after them with all their guns loaded, and how exactly does Quo think they will win? Their thinking doesn't make any sense. Now I am all for using computers with OS X, but they way I see it, I don't want to pay the extra money that Apple charges for their machine but that doesn't mean I am going to break the EULA. Era of me pirating software is over (it was over about 5 to 6 years ago and I have Ubuntu and the Linux community for stepping up the game to thank for that) I am perfectly happy using Ubuntu on all my machines.
All Apple has to do is to either stop offering shrink-wrapped copies of OS X, or sell upgrade-only disks that require an existing installation of OS X to work. Then Psystar, Quo and other unauthorized clones will cease to exist.
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The biggest complaint I hear is not that you can't get a mac for $1000, as most people who will spend a $1000 will spend the $1300 for the imac, but that you can't get a mac for $500. This to me is that market segment that the cloners need to be in, not a 10% reduction from Apples. price. And don't try to say that these machines are going to complete with the high end iMac or low end Mac Pro and offer a 50% reduction in price. I don't see most other people shipping Xeon machines, much less with a terrebyte on board. I know that they can built for almost nothing, but really. Most people who want a $500 computer is not going to build it, they want plug and play.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
Apple should embrace mac cloners. Having cheaper clones of mac will only help to popularize macs and the os-x operating system (thanks to this little phenomenon). Windows is only as popular as it is because it comes preinstalled on nearly every computer you buy. Mac fans should see this as a blessing.
Why do you think they are so ready to advertise running Windows on your mac? They don't care if you don't use OS X, they just want you to buy their computers.
Please.
There is typically one - and only one - way to get a Mac on your 9 to 5 desktop and that is by running the Windows software that is essential to your business or profession.
The geek off-hours may love the challenge of maintaining three or four operating systems and their associated program libraries as they run on virtual machines.
The IT pro or the kid manning the Help Desk not so much.
You don't do this unless you absolutely have to. You don't sell it as a feature unless it is the only way to get your foot in the door.
That is why your corporate customers get 32 bit XP-Pro free with Win 7.
and it talks about Power Mac (and it also says that up to that point they were making their own motherboards :D).
The point is that Apple designs most of the computer, including the motherboard. They can (and often do) outsource the actual production of the part to third party.
If you look at most apple hardware you will see something like "Designed by Apple" and not "Made by Apple".
As the island of our knowledge grows, so does the shore of our ignorance.
IMO the founders of these companies are just scam artist just trying to make a quick buck before they get sued into bankruptcy.
Apple doesn't care so much about hackers, but someone trying to make a quick buck from an unsupported hack mostly hurts the consumer in the end.
Mac hardware isn't any better or worse than PC hardware, but as others have pointed out: Apples business model is based on selling computers, not an OS.
Top of the line model: Quid Pro
Base model: Status
Windows model: Vadis
Has anyone even looked at Quo Computer website? Its entire content consists of a "maito" link. They don't even have their own domain in the link, instead mail goes to "rush" at "izdigital.com". A check shows registrant as:
Registrant:
This Domain is expired
Please renew at
www.domaincontender.com
New Orleans, LA 70130
US
(504) 274-4800
Fascinating. Let's go to www.izdigital.com:
Index of /
[ICO] Name Last modified Size Description
[TXT] geforce.html 08-Mar-2009 12:43 462
This is one classy website.
Seriously, folks. This passes for news now on the Internet media? A fly-by-night announces they will dethrone Apple, but so far they haven't yet figured out how to build a website or handle email. Right.
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A $900 desktop from Quo, a decent 20" monitor, good keyboard and mouse set will run close to that with out the fear that the next update will kill your system.
6.8SPC TR of 550, l xwind at 6, drift rt at 26" drops 77". AT has 503 ft-lbs at 1403 fps. FT 0.86
things are not that same now.
1. there is a big draw for mac osx.
2. apple used to have $1200 - $1500 TOWERS now they have a $2400+ one with hardware that you find in a $1000 system that also has a very weak video card with $100-$200 over priced video card upgrades. $150 for the base GT 120?
only 3gb of ram at that price?
3. the mini is still over priced $600 and only 1GB memory?
4. laptops needs to be better $2000 just to get a 15" screen and still it only has 2gb of ram? $2,799.00 for a 17" screen. You can get pc laptops for over a $1000 less with better video and a 17" screen with the same cpu power.
5. The $1,499.00 and $1,799.00 imacs uses to have real video cards now they have weaker on board video.
apple does not need clones they need better hardware and better prices. Mac os x is too good not to be sold on it's own.
$1200 imac had on board video and you are locked in to it's screen.
You can get a corei7 system for that price with a GOOD VIDEO CARD and REUSE YOUR OLD SCREEN AND NOT BE FORCED TO BUY A NEW ONE.
If Steve Jobs wants to deter people from buying from clonemakers, IMHO he should do a limited production run of machines which have his signature prominently on the case, and accompany it with some form of watermark that prevents forgery, as well.
Note that I'm not advocating anything fascist like Microsoft's Windows Genuine Advantage here either, in terms of *penalising* anyone whose machine isn't from Apple. I'm talking about complete use of the carrot here, not the stick.
If he made the production run which included his signature, sufficiently limited, then the machines which he signed could potentially gain value as collector's items, which would create demand for his product, as opposed to that of the clonemakers.
In a world where nearly anything can be copied, the only way to beat piracy is to create non-replicable value which comes from a single source. Make it signatures one year, and sets of unique, holographically watermarked images for subsequent years/versions. He should do a personal advertisement campaign promoting it, as well, where he himself talks to the public about it, and where he actively tries to draw an analogy between contemporary CDs, and practices of earlier times, where people bought items from individual craftspeople on a face to face basis. Obviously people can't go into an Apple store and see him face to face, no; but they can in the context of the ad campaign. I can imagine part of the speech that he could use, as well.
"My company and I have been in the computing industry for a long time. Clonemaker companies, on the other hand, are often a flash in the pan; here today, gone tomorrow. I'm not going to use the sorts of measures that other companies have done, to penalise people who engage in piracy, or to try and bully you into buying from me, as opposed to the clonemakers. I've seen enough such attempts fail, in order to be able to know that that isn't going to work. What I am going to do, however, is explain to you what I feel the benefits in buying from me are, as opposed to buying from the clonemakers.
The first two things you receive by buying your hardware and software from Apple, are peace of mind, and vendor accountability. Our machines do not use cheap, no-name hardware, but instead use components from known, branded companies (such as nVidia and others) on a consistent basis. This also means that you are given a warranty on parts that you can trust, and it also means that you are given initial hardware which you can trust as well.
The second thing which you are doing when you buy from Apple, is investing in the long-term future. Our hardware and software requires long man hours to produce, on an ongoing basis, and in a capitalist society, that in turn requires that our staff are paid for their labour, as well as the individual machine components being paid for. Clonemakers merely duplicate the hardware and software which we produce, but they do not engage in actual innovation themselves, and as such, if Apple were to become bankrupt, they would not be able to survive themselves either. Buying from us therefore helps to ensure the continued availability of our hardware and software, so that you will still be able to rely on Apple's computers and operating system for years to come.
The third thing you are receiving for your money when you buy from Apple, is perhaps the least tangible, but also the most important. It is the assurance that when you buy from us, you are acting with complete legal and moral integrity. From our observation of the election of the current American President, we are aware that integrity is something that is important to a high percentage of the population."
A little insight into how the media today works and how "news" like this spreads. The original interview seems to have appeared on CNET. Since then dozens of media outlets have been reporting it, and some just report that the interview took place - thus the interview becomes news. Those reports then comment on the interview, not the fact. To wit, this snippet from the Channel Register :
Mind you, De Silva did not say the second sentence. It is the comment of the Channel Register "reporter". After all, what will our schools do without a $100 cheaper Mac clone? What will they do when the evil Cupertino corporate lawyers come to squash the dreams of impoverished children?
This is news reporting? This would gag a dung beetle.
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Are these Mac clone makers that dumb, or are they intentionally trying to test the waters to the point where a legal judgment is finally made? Who among them has the financial fortitude to succeed in such a legal upheaval against Apple? The first Mac clone maker who figures out you simply ship OS X uninstalled in the sealed retail box will be a huge success. ~ST
Apple will sue them until they file for bankruptcy like they did Pystar.
If you are trying to sell Hackintosh systems, Apple will sue you to protect their territory.
Apple does not want Mac Clones because last time they allowed Mac Clones they cut into Apple's own sales. Apple makes most of its profits by selling hardware with software already installed on it. Cheaper Mac Clones will cut into hardware sales.
If you want to distinguish yourself sell Linux pre-installed on PC systems, even AROS or HaikuOS pre-installed on systems, some people don't want to install their own OS and want a pre-installed system. Make your money selling them tech support and developing software for Linux, AROS, and HaikuOS.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
I don't have one of those, but a low end mini tower type desktop (external monitor) is something Apple doesn't sell. Also better value for your hardware $$s.
No, I honestly don't see it quite that way. I know what you're saying ... but I think it's a little bit different in Apple's case.
Essentially, Apple is saying they spent the money on R&D for their operating system, OS X, so it could be bundled with their own hardware and sold as a set. The copies of OS X you can buy separately at retail are considered "upgrade licenses" by Apple, because despite the fact they WILL perform a full installation on a blank hard drive, that's done for user convenience. The *real* full OS X license was only able to be purchased as part of a new Mac purchase.
People screaming about this, as it relates to "Hackintoshes", are basically asserting their right to buy this upgrade edition of OS X and use it on whatever hardware they like. But really, we don't know how much money Apple wants to charge people for a "full" OS X license? I'm assuming it's considerably more than the $129 or so you paid for OS X off the shelf -- because that goes a long way towards explaining why Mac systems always seem to cost hundreds more than PC counterparts. (Windows users fuss about the "Mac tax" all the time, so they must understand this concept.)
Therefore, if push comes to shove on this issue? All I can see as an outcomes are:
1. Apple agrees to start selling everyone a "full" OS X version that IS legal for use on whatever hardware you want to try to load it on, but it goes for $349 or something.
2. Apple decides they're no longer going to be friendly about doing so much on the "honor system", and releases the next version of OS X so it does product activation, verifying you're really registered as a new Mac owner before it will activate for you (or alternately, makes you insert a recovery DVD from a new Mac system to prove you bought it).
3. Apple agrees to start allowing clone Mac builders again, like they did a long time ago. But just like before, you have to become authorized by Apple as a licensed clone builder - so only a few vendors will wind up legally allowed to do it anyway.
if OS X would work reasonably on my system, I'd (at least) dual-boot it for sure.
I legally run Leopard, on a MacBook Pro. I've thought about installing Jaunty Jackalope and dualbooting. Unfortunately Ubuntu dropped CinePaint in 8.04 and that's one of the reasons I want to use it. Googling and checking the forums I keep reading about someone getting CinePaint installed so it's usable but I haven't found how they did it.
Apple are really being dumb by sticking with their own hardware
While I'd like to be able to install OS X on any PC I can understand Apple not allowing it. Apple doesn't sell just software, unlike Microsoft who until recently did, they sell the hardware as well. Apple sells compleat systems that "just work". There 's 2 problem with Apple allowing OS X to be installed on any PC. First because Apple wouldn't control the hardware it runs on it couldn't easily prevent OS crashes and Apple would get a blackeye with people complaining OS X wasn't any good. Secondly Apple would see a drop in Mac sells. In the mid 1990s Apple did license Mac clones but when Steve Jobs was brought back in 1996-7 he took one look at the books and saw Apple was loosing money because of the clones. So he ended the program.
However because profit margins are razor thin on hardware maybe Apple could make more money today licensing OS X. A Leopard DVD cost $129 so if Apple's margin on new Macs is less than that then they'd come out ahead. But then again Apple would run into Microsoft, MS wouldn't take kindly to OS X running on any old hardware like Windows does. MS could pull or threaten to pull the Mac version of MS software such as Office. Many businesses wouldn't want to buy Macs if they knew they couldn't run Office, despite peoples' gripes about MS and the existence of office productivity software for Macs including the open source Open Office, many businesses still depend on MS Office.
Falcon
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From TFA: "The Quo Web site is being worked on now and is set to launch next week."
From a whois lookup directly on the domaincontender.com site:
Domain Name: QUOCOMPUTER.COM
Registrar: DOMAIN CONTENDER, LLC
Whois Server: whois.domaincontender.com
Referral URL: http://www.domaincontender.com/
Name Server: NS1.IZDIGITAL.NET
Name Server: NS2.IZDIGITAL.NET
Status: ok
Updated Date: 16-mar-2009
Creation Date: 29-jan-2009
Expiration Date: 29-jan-2010
>>> Last update of whois database: Sun, 31 May 2009 06:16:55 UTC
I paid a premium for my Mac, knowing that I could get similar specs for cheaper on a PC
I pad no premium for my MacBook Pro. Before I got it I made a list of what I wanted to do with it then made decisions on what software was needed for those and what the hardware requirements were for the software. Looking at similarly configured computers Macs were within the price range I found from other manufacturers. Some were less, such as an HP I found cost about $50 less. But others were more such as a Dell I looked at which cost more than $200 more. And in both cases they came with Windows, and one of my requirements was NO MS Windows! After suffering for almost 10 years dealing with Windows crashes and MS treating it's users like they're criminals I did not want to deal with that anymore.
I enjoy the fact that the hardware and software, including a number of included, free applications, are pre-integrated for me and function as a cohesive whole.
Though I like what iLife can and does do I've never used any of the apps. The only app I use that come on Macs is TextEdit. On second thought I've used other things that come with OS X, Disk Utility and Terminal.
It's not that one is inherently better than the other, it's that they are different value propositions. Certainly they have different strengths and weaknesses, and I would have thought that this community, if not the general public, would understand this by now.
Nope, not going to happen. Slashdotters understanding that that is. There are the Linux, Mac, and Windows fanbois.
Falcon
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10.5.7 came out, and fucked everyone who was using a DVI-HDMI connector. 3 weeks later, they're still fucked, unable to use their monitors at full resolution. That's the latest in my long run of OS X bugs.
Really? Yeap. I've been thinking of getting an HP LP2475w to hook up to my MacBook Pro. Now I know not to use a DVI-HDMI connection. Then again, I'll have to check, but I think it only has a Display or mini Display port.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
They haven't been able to make a legitimate "we build the whole thing so it's stable" argument in a long time, if they ever could.
I know it's only personal anecdotes but I've had more problems with Windows OEM, specifically Dell, HP, and Gateway PCs than I have had with Macs. I've bought 2 used Macs and they lasted me years without problems. I'm typing this on my MacBook Pro I've had about 20 months and I've only had one hardware problem, a few months ago my graphics had to be replaced. It lasted more than a year before I had a hardware failure. The PCs I bought new were a different story. I had the motherboard and harddisk drive fail on Windows PCs from Gateway and HP PC within one year. They also failed on a PC that I got that had Linux preinstalled. The Dell was a brand new PC running XP in a class where I was going to college and on the first day of class it froze when I first booted it up. The only Windows PC I bought I did not have hardware or OS trouble was a DEC Alpha PC I bought from Microway. Unfortunately because it had an Alpha CPU I could not get much software installed on it, so I didn't use it much. Which was a real shame, what software I got working ran a lot faster than the software did on the Gateway I got at the same tyme.
Should there be a Law?
Not because they don't know, but because they can't know. They learn one system, then their brain locks up. You may think trying different systems is fun; they PANIC at the idea. Anything that gets in the way of their rote-learned path is a massive hindrance. So they stick with Windows, despite all of its flaws, because having to actually learn something would be worse than all the malware-related headaches.
I'd agree however every time a new version of Windows is bought people still have to learn something new. Familiarity may be in part why people stick with Windows, I think availability is also a reason. Not as many places sell Macs, and hardly any brick and mortar stores sell PCs with Linux preinstalled.
Falcon
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(minimums)*
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* These prices pulled from their website as of the time of this posting.
I agree lower priced Macs are high priced compared to offerings from Windows OEMs. However I disagree about the Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, and Xserve. Before buying my MacBook Pro I compared several laptops with hardware configurations for what I wanted to do and the MBP's price was within the price range of Windows OEM laptops. To see whether that was a fluke I checked configurations for servers like Mac Pros and Xserves as well and they were the same.
There are essentially two reasons to buy a Mac: The first is you like the Mac, by which I mean the actual hardware. Whether it's the design, the clean insides, the sturdy feel or what have you. The other is OS X. If the first doesn't apply to somebody, why shouldn't they want to save several hundred dollars to get #2?
Because Apple isn't a software company?
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Hypothetical:
So.... someone... big... in the PeeCee hardware market wants to sell hardware that will run MacOS.... and wants to force Apple to sell them license. So they start small.... fund the whack-nuts that can build the hackintosh and think they can make a go on some legal theory.... ok big name PC company and lawyers fund and advise.... SILENTLY..... and carefully watch the inevitable backscatter for useful info....
Psystar folds before Apple can determine who funded them....
Wanna bet that Quo folds before Apple gets a good bite?
Wanna bet that some other knuckle-head pops up about 6 months later with yet another out-of-the-blue business making clones with a similar M.O.?
Something fishy is going on in this and I am very interested to see who is baiting the hooks.
$0.02
Where did you get this one?
I am convinced they will. This is not exactly nuclear science.
Here is your answer
Never suspect conspiracy when a simple stupidity will do.
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In this case a Gestapo-like EULA needs to be torn down.
Yea, Apple needs to let people install OS X on any old hardware so they're driven out of business.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Because Apple for years have been ignoring a very BIG market for Macs: Those that want a midrange Apple desktop.
I too would like a midrange Mac that's expandable however Apple has stated they do not want to enter into that market segment. I don't know why, as you imply and others have said Apple could see a jump in market share. But I imagine it would not be as profitable as their other lines and it'd cannibalize their Mac Pro line.
Falcon
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they tend to forgive the fact that running Apple means there is a very long list of things they can't do either because the app exists only for Windows
Like what? One of the most widely used apps is MS Office and MS has a version for Macs. Heck new Macs come with a preview trial version of MS Office.
or because Apple doesn't approve of it
Apple has a lively community of developers, Apple Developer Connection. And not only for OS X software but for X11, closed source and open source. Though not as much, or as often, as some would like Apple also contributes to FOOS projects. Now I'll admit I'm puzzled by Apple's refusal to include some apps in the App store.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
That does look like a nice screen. My Westinghouse is nice, has an MVA panel, but is now only being sold with a TN (at first I felt ripped off, when I saw it go from $700 to $399... but then I checked out forums, so at least I know why).
It does seem like a lottery in getting a monitor with an IPS panel. This happens with Dells, HPs, and Samsung along with other companies, even Viewsonic. Hardly any brick and mortar stores sell these monitors so they have to be ordered online. Yet companies like Newegg that do sell them don't guaranty a monitor will have an IPS panel. What's worse is that they have bad exchange policies for monitors with dead or stuck pixels. I think Newegg requires 7 before they will exchange a monitor and they wait to test a returned monitor before shipping a replacement.
After searching and driving to different stores I found an employee at a Best Buy that found the HP online, at Best Buy for Business website. So if and when I get one, I'm hoping to in a month or two, I may be able to take it to Best Buy for an exchange. Normally for a purchase like that I'd also buy a buyer protection plan but in this case I won't have to, HP's warranty on it is a 3 year on site plan. If I have a problem I can call HP and they'll send a tech to me. Because of this instead of ordering it from Best Buy I may get it from B&H Photo and Video. Because of the panel lottery and dead, stuck, pixel issue I'll have to check their return policy first though.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
if it wasn't for their pitiful market share the DOJ would be literally ripping them apart
locking high-end MP3 players to their software
Oh really? iPods can't play anything but what comes from the iTunes store? I can't take any of my CDs, rip them then play them on an iPod?
locking their software to their operating system
Some software but not all. Or haven't you heard of iTunes for Windows? Quicktime or Safari for Windows? Microsoft does the same.
locking their operating system to their hardware
OS X is made to work well with Apple hardware. How many tymes have you heard people complain or bitch Windows is quirky on some hardware?
locking their high-end MP3 players to their hardware (firewire only)
IEEE 1492 aka Firewire is an open standard. Though I haven't yet I can buy a Firewire card for my Linux PC. Here's How to Setup a Firewire (IEEE-1394) drive with Linux.
Now remind me what lock-in Apple has that others don't.
Faclon
Should there be a Law?
Macs are PCes, personal computers.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
but just so you know, Entourage is a client. Outlook is a client. Exchange is a server. When you said Exchange, I take it that you meant "Outlook."
Yea years ago I used Outlook a little so I know it's client but I didn't know Entourage was too. All I knew was that Exchange wasn't in the Mac version of Office though it's in the Windows version and that Entourage was in the Mac version. Personally I preferred Eudora for email. When I switched to Macs at first I used the Eudora/Thunderbird version Penelope, now I just use Thunderbird.
Right now I'm just a user so I don't use server apps but I want to setup my Mac as a server test bed, and my Linux PC as a server as well for development. If so then I'll need to become aware of and how to use some of them.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
I want a stable Unix-like OS that doesn't get in my way. However, every time I try a Mac, the lack of rt. click options annoys the hell out of me (among other things).
Macs have right clicks. Just I did with Windows, and Linux, PCs I hold a key down when I click. In essence there are three buttons. Two and three button mice can also be used on Macs.
When switching to a Mac I thought not having two buttons would be a problem but there wasn't one. Within a couple of days I got used to holding a key down when I clicked. Of course before I switched I had already gotten rid of my mice, I kept on having to replace them so I switched to trackballs. Since I did I've only bought one more, I keep one on my desk while the other is in the backpack for my MacBook Pro.
As for similarly spec-ed Macs and PCs, before I bought my MBP I made a list of requirements for what I wanted to do then I compared the specs from various Windows OEM and Mac laptops. Doing so I found out a Mac had similar prices to Windows PC with similar specs. For some lines though not all.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
It is clear that you are completely unaware of how businesses use and depend on Exchange server's functionality and how the broken and limited functionality of Entourage makes using a Mac a show-stopper for some people.
You're right, I don't get why people won't use standard compliant apps unless the CIO/admin gets a kickback from MS. If I found myself in such a place I'd be concerned about standards compliance and portability. Actually I hope I am in that situation soon, I want to start a photography and design business. I want to sell online as well as IRL.
Now, I need to find a way to install CinePaint in Jaunty Jackalope. If I can't then I'll have buy Photoshop.
Falcon
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Pystar quoted "that are filing bankruptcy because of the economy" so we can't see what Apple will really do to enforce their EULA.
I'm interested who has the "very hairy balls" to financially back these guys with Apple huffing and puffing down your back. I also wanted find who is their legal consul is because they are crazy or have something interesting up their sleeves.
There's no point arguing with you
That's right, though it has been shown Apple originally canceled Mac clones because they ate into Apple's bottom line and almost drove them out of business all you have provided is your opinion or what you want. You have not provided facts whereas I provided a link to real clones which stated they were "financially unfavorable". I'm quite willing to learn but you have not provided evidence to back up your claims.
Seriously, I hear the same preconditioned responses from Apple fans every time this subject comes up
Just because Mac fans, which I am not one, say it does not make it untrue. Here's an other link saying clones were financially unfavorable. Others have said Apple is a hardware company not a software business. I say Apple is a systems company, Apple designs hardware and software to work together.
On another note, as of this moment, I shall no longer use the word hackintosh, as it implies to the average joe that the act of using software as the user sees fit is a crime, a view that I'm sure most slashdotters would agree is detrimental to the idea of user rights.
In general I agree a person should be able to use software they bought however they want so long as only they use it or it's installed only on one computer. However when it comes to driving a company out of business by doing so I disagree with breaking ULAs, of which Apple's has not been found unenforceable or illegal. And nobody, not even you, have proven that allowing OS X to be installed on OEM PCs will not drive Apple out of business. Heck I don't like Microsoft but I've said I don't want MS out of business either.
Falcon
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