Good idea indeed, though it creates a problem as well: Now their telephones / email will get "slashdotted" first by plenty of/. subscribers:
2. Contact Web site owners and warn them politely of impending future slashdotting
3. Offer to sell them (short-term?) service on a Content Delivery Network
4.... Profit!
Thank God...I thought it was just me being a wuss. I did wade through it, though, and I did like Debian (kinda) once I got it set up.
Nothing wrong with you - You're the victim of an arcane and unnecessarily complex installer. All it results in are the ones that have waded through it think they're 1337 because they did, and then post no end of one liners on slashdot saying apt-get this apt-get that, hence apt-get fucked
RTFM for the installer? It's 238kB. I ain't reading it. I don't have to read one to install Win2k, nor Solaris, nor RedHat, nor Slackware (the very first time I used Linux I did, but that only makes sense). A ten year unix user shouldn't have to read a massive document explaining all the idiosyncracities of the installer.
I'm sure debian will be just fine without me, but my point is, I'm loads better off without debian.
This is not how you should install debian. What you should do is installing a minimal system, configure network, and then apt-get everything you need on demand, from the Internet (or from a local server)
So I downloaded all seven of those CD's for nothing? (I've got used to disappointment of this sort in the short time I ran debian).
The CD installation is dangerous, unfortunatly if you don't have network. If you only have a modem, Debian is problematic.
Funny you should say that. I do. I d/l'd the CD's at work (don't tell anyone) like I have with about eight other Linux / *BSD's and Solaris (and had GREAT success with all of them). CD Installation dangerous? Oh. Even WinNT CD installation (in itself) isn't dangerous (The OS you end up with on the other hand...)
Do the least possible from the installer.
I'd rather (as with every other distro) that the installer does _everything_ except pick the root password, and then ask me whether or not I want to trash my boot record (and then do it anyway) while I'm in the next room pounding your mom, so I can come back to a system that's ready to use. Not so much log straight into X and fire up a browser, I can handle setting up X and pppd by hand, as I said as AC (believe me or not) I'm no newbie. I just don't want to watch / have anything to do with the boring install. I'll install patches as and when needed, but I don't want to (can't) go onto the net and proceed to d/l another GB or two of stuff (I like a lot of apps, I don't need them all, but I like to try them all).
Like I say, I've got the install over with, and the system boots and runs fine. But there's nothing I particularly like about debian. Okay, dselect isn't bad, and a darn site better than any of Redhat's package managers or Mandrake's latest abortion (Installing and Uninstalling two completely different procedures, yeah, that's dumb).
The first Linux I installed was Slackware (anyone said Go Patrick! yet?) and it ruled! The install readme was very informative yet concise, and need I say, trouble free. The only reason I tried debian is that I wanted to try another non-bloatware Linux. As it turns out, I needed look no further than Slackware.
First, and last, time I post as AC
Sorry for all the parentheses, my brain is SMP.
And sorry if I sound like I'm trolling you, I'm just pissed off with debian.
Enjoy your new sig, saintlupus!
I think six months ago you wouldn't have been able to call me an adult in this way, for back then criticism of me wouldn't have gone without third-degree burns.
To think my biggest worry when following up the reply was being credited with a (-1, Offtopic). Interestingly enough, the moderation of the ancestor post was 40% interesting, 30% overrated, 20% troll.
What I can't get over is why they chose a backslash to delimit directories instead of a slash. Make me a foe: Anybody who owns two keyboards with backslash in the same place.
The cd command works funny if you're changing drives, ie from A: to C:, and this whole concept of different "drives" is studpid.
..it's not like there was a lady on an operating table, being prodded by a robot and no-one around save perhaps a pimply-faced computer geek to make sure everything was going well. There WAS a doctor overseeing events at the site. Conversely, it's not like the doctor on the other end was lounging by the pool, tweaking the trackpoint of his IBM ThinkPad.
Yeah, okay, I might have gone a bit overboard there.
Also, remember the surgery was in North Bay and performed by a doctor in Hamilton. North Bay isn't exacly a metropolitan hub--there's maybe what...50,000 people there? I don't think there are gonna be direct flights leaving hourly from Hamilton. Besides, do you know what the weather has been like in Ontario lately? Cold and horrible!
Accepted.
Since I'm a New Zealander, I'm not all that familiar with the Geography there. You make some good points, which I wish I had the benefit of when I posted. About the trip, I was thinking more of the patient being driven to the more capable surgeon, rather than the other way around. Of course, this isn't always possible, depending on the stability of the patient.
I've still got a couple of Commodore 1084S monitors, which are great. They've got Y/C inputs (svideo) and RGB, as well as straight PAL composite video, and a pair of speakers, and a handy button to switch between them. Some even have a completely useless "Green" button. "Blue only" would have been nice, for those that know what that's for.
..but when it's my life (or anybody elses, for that matter) in question, was there any good reason for doing it remotely, other than the fact that he can?
No link, no matter how fast or secure, will let a physician monitor the status of his patient nearly as much as actually being there. I could do my job from remote at home, but my boss prefers I actually come in to work, in case something goes wrong I can be there first hand to see what's going wrong.
It's not like 400km is a great divide. Drive it. fly it. Okay, the operation was a success, but say it wasn't. The first question that's going to be asked is, "and you decided to perform the operation from beside your swimming pool watching it on your 14" TFT why?"
I'm not surprised this is possible, nor would I bother with the risk. What do we need airplane pilots or taxi drivers for, if these jobs can ben done by someone sitting behind a console or in a cafe. Hell, someone could fly two planes at once.
I agree, there's no point in witholding this information thinking that we'll be secure because of that. I haven't needed to do this (yet) but I found out how to and remembered so I can get into (my own) system in a pinch.
To not print this information, on the grounds that it arms script kiddies a way in is only, *ahem*/stands up on soap box security through obscurity. Mind you, if you forget your openprom passwd on a Sparc, let it be known, it is possible to come back, but you've got a problem, so sending the message that it's very important to remember the passwords is a Good Thing.
Nothing new about it. My SunSparc 20 has 2MB of non-volatile RAM. Well, actually it doesn't any more beccause Linux doesn't do anything with it (yet). I don't even think Solaris on its own either, you need to use some Storage Management crappy thing.
So I yanked it out and turned the battery off. But my point is, it's been around for ages, and if I could use it I would.
An ISP's NNTP server gets each picture only once (usually). The ISP's customers can each get the pictures many times, putting no load on the Internet as such, only the ISP. The answer will only ever remain in the realms of hyposthesis.
What about slackware? I don't know if it has msdos formatting utils, but it does have some nice cli proggies.
Phew, I thought for a minute you said MSDOS had some nice CLI proggies...
I'm pretty sure Slackware's root diskette doesn't have mkfs.msdos because it isn't needed, if you're installing in UMSDOS the presumably the DOS filesystem already exists. You could delete mkfs.ext2 to make room for mkfs.msdos and simply copy that on there from a normal system.
Keep the boot / root disks handy. You'll use them (if not to install Linux, prep the system for something else) about 20 mins after you've finished installing 'doze.
Yeah, the F in M$'s FDISK stands for something else.
It's even more fun if the drive is corrupt. Some version required you to type in the label of the partition if you wanted to delete it. If it had nonprinting characters (which happens) you can't delete it. It does a "Verifying Drive Integrity" at every step, like before and after it asks you (y/n) Oh my god I've got to stop talking about this and get over it!
Even if you're only going to run 'doze, get Linux just for the sake of checking / prepping the disk. I'm not quite sure out of Solaris' fdisk and M$ FDISK which one sucks the most. Both are quite infuriating.
Blow away harddisks?
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=2
If that doesn't work (I'm haven't used it in a while) and there's definitely nothing you want on the disk, increase the count number, you won't do any harm except data erasure. Someone else here suggested doing it without a count, and hitting ctrl-C after ten seconds. I wouldn't do it this way if you only wanted to clear the partition table and boot record.
In my experience, it's much easier to pop open the machine, install a NIC temporarily, and install off a server with the distro on it.
Even with Slackware, you'll need at least fifteen floppies to have a system with much useful on it. For example, the X window system. Using a network is heaps faster, more realiable, more convenient. You can do more than one at once. Your floppies would have worn out after 3 or so installs, and anyway, every floppy drive is different. It a floppy drive reads a disk that wasn't written by itself, that's nothing short of AMAZING. But it's so unlikely I'd not recommend wasting your time with them.
I agree. I've had cats, dogs, fish, and while I've taken the best measures I can to keep them well and treat them if they are sick, I also know when is time to let go, and allow my friend to pass on in what I hope is the most human way I can.
An organ dontated from a cat that has already died, OK, but never should any healthy animal lose its life just because another could benefit from its organs.
If the donor is still alive, how could you even humanely put it down, because such measures, AFAIK, would render that animals organs unhealthy. So the poor unwilling "donor" animal doesn't even get put down humanely, that if you ask me is cruelty, and criminal.
It's never a question of consent, even if he could speak a language, an animal will never consent to its own organs being taken. I'll give blood and criticism, but until I die, nothing else.
Isn't this the name given to Earth's one and only natural satellite? And all the others in the solar system are just called "satellites". I read this thinking, "so what difference would that make to things living on the moon (our one)".
Of course, moon has a couple of other meanings here on Earth, but that's nothing to with it, can someone correct me if other planets satellites can also be called "moons"
It won't solve the posters problem, because the pointer will still be there. His problem is not getting X to start, but getting rid of the pointer. BTW, I think you need an "AllowMouseOpenFail" or something similar in the ServerLayout section, to get X to start even if it can't find a mouse device. I only needed to use this one, a while ago.
Thanks for the tip, will come in handy next time my USB "intelli" mouse disconnects itself and reconnects itself 10E-12 seconds later, since Linux input doesn't support the "hotplugging" my mouse seems to do every 10 days or so.
I actually put an adapter on it and plugged it into the ps2 port simply to avooid this problem.
Anyway, this won't solve the posters problem immediately, but it would probably be trivial to allow a -nomouse feature in the next version of X. *NEWS FLASH* X4.3.0 released! D'oh. Oh well, maybe the next one then.
yeah, makes you wonder where the Failure Guy is now!? Perhaps YOU ARE SO FIRED and Failure Guy are so busy posting, they've not the time to inform you of your punishment for "FAIL[ing] IT"
What makes you think the aquisition of modules is any different to packages? Newbies don't have to compile Mozilla, they can get it (and almost always do) in binary form.
Same with modules. Though I have recompiled kernel and modules, I can't say I've ever had to.
Yeah, one of our recent "innovations" where I work:
Runs slower, much slower
Has no keyboard shortcuts, HEAPS of mousing.
Doesn't always work, requiring us to revert to the old system.
Didn't solve a single problem that the existing system had. In fact, it introduced some.
The client and server software is young and very buggy.
But we have to use it because:
We bought it.
It's supposed to be better.
As far as snr management is being told, it is better.
Supposedly has plenty of benefits, though we didn't buy the package has these benefits.
The last six months at work have been a mess. Management have been saying we're just reluctant to learn, but we've been avoiding it to do better, faster and more accurate work.
The system does do it's job a lot of the time, nearly most of the time, but the fact is, we had something better and simpler, and only took a step backwards. But because it cost hundreds of thousands, nobody (authoritive) has told the General Manager that it's a major cockup. Anybody who has get's reminded why it's (potentially) superior in so many ways, with claims that can't be backed up in any way, rather shot down emphatically by half-a-shifts work.
Come on man, how the hell did you get an A1200 hdd around the wrong way? And for the folks that don't know, this is because rather than having two connectors, the hdd only has one for data and power.
Slashdot Mirror
Can happen in Soviet Russia.
Good idea indeed, though it creates a problem as well: Now their telephones / email will get "slashdotted" first by plenty of /. subscribers: ... Profit!
2. Contact Web site owners and warn them politely of impending future slashdotting
3. Offer to sell them (short-term?) service on a Content Delivery Network
4.
It just depends _which_ piece of aluminium foil you chew on, I suppose.
Nothing wrong with you - You're the victim of an arcane and unnecessarily complex installer. All it results in are the ones that have waded through it think they're 1337 because they did, and then post no end of one liners on slashdot saying apt-get this apt-get that, hence apt-get fucked
RTFM for the installer? It's 238kB. I ain't reading it. I don't have to read one to install Win2k, nor Solaris, nor RedHat, nor Slackware (the very first time I used Linux I did, but that only makes sense). A ten year unix user shouldn't have to read a massive document explaining all the idiosyncracities of the installer.
I'm sure debian will be just fine without me, but my point is, I'm loads better off without debian.
So I downloaded all seven of those CD's for nothing? (I've got used to disappointment of this sort in the short time I ran debian).
The CD installation is dangerous, unfortunatly if you don't have network. If you only have a modem, Debian is problematic.
Funny you should say that. I do. I d/l'd the CD's at work (don't tell anyone) like I have with about eight other Linux / *BSD's and Solaris (and had GREAT success with all of them). CD Installation dangerous? Oh. Even WinNT CD installation (in itself) isn't dangerous (The OS you end up with on the other hand...)
Do the least possible from the installer.
I'd rather (as with every other distro) that the installer does _everything_ except pick the root password, and then ask me whether or not I want to trash my boot record (and then do it anyway) while I'm in the next room pounding your mom, so I can come back to a system that's ready to use. Not so much log straight into X and fire up a browser, I can handle setting up X and pppd by hand, as I said as AC (believe me or not) I'm no newbie. I just don't want to watch / have anything to do with the boring install. I'll install patches as and when needed, but I don't want to (can't) go onto the net and proceed to d/l another GB or two of stuff (I like a lot of apps, I don't need them all, but I like to try them all).
Like I say, I've got the install over with, and the system boots and runs fine. But there's nothing I particularly like about debian. Okay, dselect isn't bad, and a darn site better than any of Redhat's package managers or Mandrake's latest abortion (Installing and Uninstalling two completely different procedures, yeah, that's dumb).
The first Linux I installed was Slackware (anyone said Go Patrick! yet?) and it ruled! The install readme was very informative yet concise, and need I say, trouble free. The only reason I tried debian is that I wanted to try another non-bloatware Linux. As it turns out, I needed look no further than Slackware.
First, and last, time I post as AC
Sorry for all the parentheses, my brain is SMP.
And sorry if I sound like I'm trolling you, I'm just pissed off with debian.
Enjoy your new sig, saintlupus!
I think six months ago you wouldn't have been able to call me an adult in this way, for back then criticism of me wouldn't have gone without third-degree burns.
To think my biggest worry when following up the reply was being credited with a (-1, Offtopic). Interestingly enough, the moderation of the ancestor post was 40% interesting, 30% overrated, 20% troll.
Troll? My first ever, and I wasn't even trying!
The cd command works funny if you're changing drives, ie from A: to C:, and this whole concept of different "drives" is studpid.
Yikes, I'm offtopic!
Yeah, okay, I might have gone a bit overboard there.
Also, remember the surgery was in North Bay and performed by a doctor in Hamilton. North Bay isn't exacly a metropolitan hub--there's maybe what...50,000 people there? I don't think there are gonna be direct flights leaving hourly from Hamilton. Besides, do you know what the weather has been like in Ontario lately? Cold and horrible!
Accepted. Since I'm a New Zealander, I'm not all that familiar with the Geography there. You make some good points, which I wish I had the benefit of when I posted. About the trip, I was thinking more of the patient being driven to the more capable surgeon, rather than the other way around. Of course, this isn't always possible, depending on the stability of the patient.
Thanks for your points.
I've still got a couple of Commodore 1084S monitors, which are great. They've got Y/C inputs (svideo) and RGB, as well as straight PAL composite video, and a pair of speakers, and a handy button to switch between them. Some even have a completely useless "Green" button. "Blue only" would have been nice, for those that know what that's for.
No link, no matter how fast or secure, will let a physician monitor the status of his patient nearly as much as actually being there. I could do my job from remote at home, but my boss prefers I actually come in to work, in case something goes wrong I can be there first hand to see what's going wrong.
It's not like 400km is a great divide. Drive it. fly it. Okay, the operation was a success, but say it wasn't. The first question that's going to be asked is, "and you decided to perform the operation from beside your swimming pool watching it on your 14" TFT why?"
I'm not surprised this is possible, nor would I bother with the risk. What do we need airplane pilots or taxi drivers for, if these jobs can ben done by someone sitting behind a console or in a cafe. Hell, someone could fly two planes at once.
Get my drift?
To not print this information, on the grounds that it arms script kiddies a way in is only, *ahem* /stands up on soap box security through obscurity. Mind you, if you forget your openprom passwd on a Sparc, let it be known, it is possible to come back, but you've got a problem, so sending the message that it's very important to remember the passwords is a Good Thing.
So I yanked it out and turned the battery off. But my point is, it's been around for ages, and if I could use it I would.
An ISP's NNTP server gets each picture only once (usually). The ISP's customers can each get the pictures many times, putting no load on the Internet as such, only the ISP. The answer will only ever remain in the realms of hyposthesis.
Phew, I thought for a minute you said MSDOS had some nice CLI proggies...
I'm pretty sure Slackware's root diskette doesn't have mkfs.msdos because it isn't needed, if you're installing in UMSDOS the presumably the DOS filesystem already exists. You could delete mkfs.ext2 to make room for mkfs.msdos and simply copy that on there from a normal system.
Keep the boot / root disks handy. You'll use them (if not to install Linux, prep the system for something else) about 20 mins after you've finished installing 'doze.
-1, Flamebait.
It's even more fun if the drive is corrupt. Some version required you to type in the label of the partition if you wanted to delete it. If it had nonprinting characters (which happens) you can't delete it. It does a "Verifying Drive Integrity" at every step, like before and after it asks you (y/n) Oh my god I've got to stop talking about this and get over it!
Even if you're only going to run 'doze, get Linux just for the sake of checking / prepping the disk. I'm not quite sure out of Solaris' fdisk and M$ FDISK which one sucks the most. Both are quite infuriating.
Blow away harddisks?
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=2
If that doesn't work (I'm haven't used it in a while) and there's definitely nothing you want on the disk, increase the count number, you won't do any harm except data erasure. Someone else here suggested doing it without a count, and hitting ctrl-C after ten seconds. I wouldn't do it this way if you only wanted to clear the partition table and boot record.
Even with Slackware, you'll need at least fifteen floppies to have a system with much useful on it. For example, the X window system. Using a network is heaps faster, more realiable, more convenient. You can do more than one at once. Your floppies would have worn out after 3 or so installs, and anyway, every floppy drive is different. It a floppy drive reads a disk that wasn't written by itself, that's nothing short of AMAZING. But it's so unlikely I'd not recommend wasting your time with them.
The plastic punched card is dead!
Consider myself better informed ;)
An organ dontated from a cat that has already died, OK, but never should any healthy animal lose its life just because another could benefit from its organs.
If the donor is still alive, how could you even humanely put it down, because such measures, AFAIK, would render that animals organs unhealthy. So the poor unwilling "donor" animal doesn't even get put down humanely, that if you ask me is cruelty, and criminal.
It's never a question of consent, even if he could speak a language, an animal will never consent to its own organs being taken. I'll give blood and criticism, but until I die, nothing else.
Isn't this the name given to Earth's one and only natural satellite? And all the others in the solar system are just called "satellites". I read this thinking, "so what difference would that make to things living on the moon (our one)".
Of course, moon has a couple of other meanings here on Earth, but that's nothing to with it, can someone correct me if other planets satellites can also be called "moons"
It won't solve the posters problem, because the pointer will still be there. His problem is not getting X to start, but getting rid of the pointer. BTW, I think you need an "AllowMouseOpenFail" or something similar in the ServerLayout section, to get X to start even if it can't find a mouse device. I only needed to use this one, a while ago.
I actually put an adapter on it and plugged it into the ps2 port simply to avooid this problem.
Anyway, this won't solve the posters problem immediately, but it would probably be trivial to allow a -nomouse feature in the next version of X. *NEWS FLASH* X4.3.0 released! D'oh. Oh well, maybe the next one then.
yeah, makes you wonder where the Failure Guy is now!? Perhaps YOU ARE SO FIRED and Failure Guy are so busy posting, they've not the time to inform you of your punishment for "FAIL[ing] IT"
What makes you think the aquisition of modules is any different to packages? Newbies don't have to compile Mozilla, they can get it (and almost always do) in binary form.
Same with modules. Though I have recompiled kernel and modules, I can't say I've ever had to.
- Runs slower, much slower
- Has no keyboard shortcuts, HEAPS of mousing.
- Doesn't always work, requiring us to revert to the old system.
- Didn't solve a single problem that the existing system had. In fact, it introduced some.
- The client and server software is young and very buggy.
But we have to use it because:- We bought it.
- It's supposed to be better.
- As far as snr management is being told, it is better.
- Supposedly has plenty of benefits, though we didn't buy the package has these benefits.
The last six months at work have been a mess. Management have been saying we're just reluctant to learn, but we've been avoiding it to do better, faster and more accurate work.The system does do it's job a lot of the time, nearly most of the time, but the fact is, we had something better and simpler, and only took a step backwards. But because it cost hundreds of thousands, nobody (authoritive) has told the General Manager that it's a major cockup. Anybody who has get's reminded why it's (potentially) superior in so many ways, with claims that can't be backed up in any way, rather shot down emphatically by half-a-shifts work.
Come on man, how the hell did you get an A1200 hdd around the wrong way? And for the folks that don't know, this is because rather than having two connectors, the hdd only has one for data and power.