nice thing about geo-thermal is that come summer, and you hit a 100+F(40+C) day, AC burns massive amounts of energy no matter how efficient. BUT, geo-thermal, runs no harder than it does fall/spring. It is so easy to push that heat down to cold ground temps.
I will say that I think that putting a small air condenser on the north side of the house and dumping the ground heat at night, could reduce electricity, though I do not know for certain.
actually, the horizontal on a NEW home should be reasonable. BUT, when doing a used home, well, I am surprised they did 3 wells down to 200'. The ones I have talked to are switching to 5-7 wells fanned out from a central point, and just 50-100' at most. By fanning it out, they get more heat from the ground and into the ground. Of course,our aquifers are down around 500', so.....
If you paid 30K for geo-thermal on a new home, then you got massively ripped off. Should be less than 20K in ALL parts of America and in most, should be below 15K.
If a used home and you added if afterwards, then right now, 30K is about average. Dandelion Geo-thermal will make it cheap, but they are not everywhere. yet.
wrong.
American cars are the same and have the same efficiency. Lower MPG does NOT mean lower efficiency. It means simply more fuel used per vehicle to carry more. Caffeinated Bacon, who posted the original, is a troll who constantly makes things up and lies.
BTW, America is switching to SUVs, but so are most other nations. That includes Europe and China. Probably the biggest difference is that Europe is buying SMALLER SUVS (or X-overs), while America has bought larger (due to our larger roads/families/ and probably just plain assholes who do not think long term) for the last couple of years. Thankfully, EVs are up to 2% of sales in America (and the same in China; not sure what Europe's is), and increasing fast.
Caffineted Bacon said "Per capita, the US generates more than twice as much carbon as other developed nations."
What I wrote was 100% correct. Australia is higher while Canada is about the same. So Caffeinated Bacon did his usual lie. Fact is, America was down to 15 last year (apparently, we will go up this year to about 15.8 or so).
And Quant, IIRC, you are from Australia. No?
Then we see that China is ADDING ANOTHER 250-300 GW of COAL. Not replacing. This is ADDING. They are going on sites that have current coal and adding to them. Again, not replacing, but adding.
FOr the last year, I have told you that they were expanding, but you continue to claim otherwise. Yet, here are private space photos that positively prove that what your Chinese gov claims is not even close to true. China is building and they are building MORE than what is being acknowledged.
Now, you can continue to ignore the FACTS, and simply keep burying your head. But, I think that you have the same belief that I do, that all of the nations need to take responsibility and cut their emissions. And yes, China is more than developed enough to have them lower their emissions.
Again, spot-on. Politicians and businesses do not want to take responsibility for their actions. What is needed is for nations to tax all consumed good/services based on where worst part/service comes from. IOW reward those nations/states with best emissions, while slowly raising tax on bad nations/states, to encourage gov/utility to clean up, OR for businesses to not use that area.
to make this work, need a fair precise means of looking CO2. That would be using satellites like OC2. With a few more SATs, we can see co2 moving in and out of a nation. to normalize, then emissions/GDP. The reason is that it hurts gov/businesses, and makes them move quicker. Keep in mind that it is businesses that make the choices, not individual buyers.
That's false. Canada, Australia both emit similar. In addition, a number of other nations are much higher. And if you want to argue that those nations are smaller, then we ate back to china's not only massive emissions, but constant growth in CO2, except when their economy takes a hit, like it did from 2014-2016.
Spot-on. Nuclear SMR should be replacing ok'd coal plants ( most are quite small ), along with going into any site that HAD nuclear power. A good example is Zion just north of Chicago.
No, China stopping coal would NOT harm their economy. They ate ADDing, not replacing, another 250-300GW of new coal plants by end of 2020. That is just in China. They are adding another 250-300 GW in other nations. None of that is needed for economy. China is planning on selling coal to other nations, in essence, they are taking advantage of a loophole.
If ppl like you were realistic and put pressure on China to stop adding coal plants, they would. BTW, China's coal plants which provide ~70-80% of electricity are ran at around 50-60 %. Iow, without adding any more coal plants ( just do replacement instead of adding ), they can increase electricity by some 50%, just with their current coal plants of 1.1 TW. And by end of 2020, they will have 1.36 TW. So not needed.
Worst, I said in first posting that that America is buying lower mpg vehicles. So you lied about what I said
Secondly, these vehicles are as efficient as any from Europe esp since they are the same. Europe buys smaller cars because of small roads and families but same efficiency.
Third, when America/europe buys a new car, it typically replaces a car. When China buys a new car, it adds to their total. Iow, a car is typically not junked. As such, which 98% of China's vehicle bring fossil fuels, it adds lots more emissions. America's and Europe do not.
If you did the math, you would have found out that BOTH China and America have 2% of new car sales as EV. So you lie, again, when screaming that China is buying more.
Finally, with China at 80% of their electricity ( yes, 80% ) as coal, your electricity is filthy. Worse yet, while America continues to drop our coal, you continue to lie about your nation adding more coal than America has total.
Well, there are different causes in different locations. For example, America continues to drop coal and move to wind/Nat ga, in spite of trump. But our buying lower mpg cars is an issue. Thankfully, that is coming to a close as EVs sales rise.
Then you have China and India. Both of these continue to lots of coal, but the real problem is that as they switch to EVs, they will use loads more coal to power them.
Until society is willing to say no more fossil fuel electric plants, we will continue to get worse.
yes, but it is NOT Alibaba that is doing the misrepresentation. It is Karen Hao who got here ME, but could not go with it. So, she has tried to move to software with data and apparently failed at that. Now is working on being a reporter and in AI. Sadly, she does NOT have a background in either software OR AI, so does not understand why this article has MAJOR issues. And yeah, Tabilizer is spot on.
Exactly right.
Oddly, the author, Karen Hao, is an ME that did not cut it in that field, so tried software in data, but apparently was not good enough, and now is trying to be a reporter in AI. So, she is now trying to learn how to be both a reporter and how AI works.
She obviously has some work to do.
I thought it was strange that we grabbed this woman and pointed out that we had NO rights to do so. Yet, trump's ppl are doing it.
While Trump is right to go after China for their economic war on us, either directly or indirectly grabbing a CFO (who has NO say on who the company sells to), makes zero sense.
It depends on where you are working. What this person describes is political BS. That is needed at old monopolies, or none-technical companies, that have a small amount of ppl.
In a large go-getting start-up type company, you are much better off focusing on solutions and not how you can BS.
along with dealing with illegal aliens, poor taxation , lunar exploration, CO2, etc.
Fucking around with NN is a waste of time and money. Just like we have states, i.e. local gov, bypassing the pot drug laws, it is time for local gov to move towards their own fiber as a utility, while getting ready for spacelink and 1-web.
The difference is probability. Chinese companies MUST do what Chinese gov says. OTOH, we are paying attention to companies that are being set up in America. For example, google for Global IP, and satellites. This is a company designed from the ground up to steal Sat tech. That is one out of many sat companies that are not about sending tech to China.
Now, with that said, obviously security through obfuscation or by nationalism, is not 100% successful .
Rather than require a set size of solar, they need to instead require new homes to install enough UNSUBSIDIZED AE (likely solar) so that the energy => the energy used by HVAC. By doing this, it enables developers to figure out how best to build things. In addition, utilities that will fight solar, will not fight this. After all, they will technically have to buy the extra energy. This approach makes a winner of all.
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Yeah. No. Angel, you are becoming a lot like Caffeinated bacon/Crimson Tsunami and are becoming full of it.
nice thing about geo-thermal is that come summer, and you hit a 100+F(40+C) day, AC burns massive amounts of energy no matter how efficient. BUT, geo-thermal, runs no harder than it does fall/spring. It is so easy to push that heat down to cold ground temps.
I will say that I think that putting a small air condenser on the north side of the house and dumping the ground heat at night, could reduce electricity, though I do not know for certain.
wrong subject. We are talking about geothermal HVAC, not GOP.
actually, the horizontal on a NEW home should be reasonable. BUT, when doing a used home, well, I am surprised they did 3 wells down to 200'. The ones I have talked to are switching to 5-7 wells fanned out from a central point, and just 50-100' at most. By fanning it out, they get more heat from the ground and into the ground. Of course,our aquifers are down around 500', so.....
If you paid 30K for geo-thermal on a new home, then you got massively ripped off. Should be less than 20K in ALL parts of America and in most, should be below 15K.
If a used home and you added if afterwards, then right now, 30K is about average. Dandelion Geo-thermal will make it cheap, but they are not everywhere. yet.
wrong.
American cars are the same and have the same efficiency. Lower MPG does NOT mean lower efficiency. It means simply more fuel used per vehicle to carry more. Caffeinated Bacon, who posted the original, is a troll who constantly makes things up and lies.
BTW, America is switching to SUVs, but so are most other nations. That includes Europe and China. Probably the biggest difference is that Europe is buying SMALLER SUVS (or X-overs), while America has bought larger (due to our larger roads/families/ and probably just plain assholes who do not think long term) for the last couple of years. Thankfully, EVs are up to 2% of sales in America (and the same in China; not sure what Europe's is), and increasing fast.
Caffineted Bacon said "Per capita, the US generates more than twice as much carbon as other developed nations."
What I wrote was 100% correct. Australia is higher while Canada is about the same. So Caffeinated Bacon did his usual lie. Fact is, America was down to 15 last year (apparently, we will go up this year to about 15.8 or so).
And Quant, IIRC, you are from Australia. No?
Sigh.
I have tried to tell you over this last year, that OCO2 is showing for the last 2 years that China's CO2 emissions was growing (and not shrinking like you claimed). Now, it is growing FAST.
NOW, they were forced to admit to burning more coal. In fact, a minimum of 4.5% coal (it is likely to go higher next year when this group re-calculates 2018 for real).
You can see that China's energy usage, esp. Coal, along with gas that is at least partially made from coal (unknown how much is from coal, but unless CHina is burying the CO2, it generates more than just burning it) is growing VERY fast.
Then we see that China is ADDING ANOTHER 250-300 GW of COAL. Not replacing. This is ADDING. They are going on sites that have current coal and adding to them. Again, not replacing, but adding.
FOr the last year, I have told you that they were expanding, but you continue to claim otherwise. Yet, here are private space photos that positively prove that what your Chinese gov claims is not even close to true. China is building and they are building MORE than what is being acknowledged.
Now, you can continue to ignore the FACTS, and simply keep burying your head. But, I think that you have the same belief that I do, that all of the nations need to take responsibility and cut their emissions. And yes, China is more than developed enough to have them lower their emissions.
That guy is caffeinated bacon and I believe he works for Chinese gov.
Again, spot-on. Politicians and businesses do not want to take responsibility for their actions. What is needed is for nations to tax all consumed good /services based on where worst part/service comes from. IOW reward those nations/states with best emissions, while slowly raising tax on bad nations/states, to encourage gov/utility to clean up, OR for businesses to not use that area.
/GDP. The reason is that it hurts gov/businesses, and makes them move quicker. Keep in mind that it is businesses that make the choices, not individual buyers.
to make this work, need a fair precise means of looking CO2. That would be using satellites like OC2. With a few more SATs, we can see co2 moving in and out of a nation.
to normalize, then emissions
That's false. Canada, Australia both emit similar. In addition, a number of other nations are much higher. And if you want to argue that those nations are smaller, then we ate back to china's not only massive emissions, but constant growth in CO2, except when their economy takes a hit, like it did from 2014-2016.
Spot-on. Nuclear SMR should be replacing ok'd coal plants ( most are quite small ), along with going into any site that HAD nuclear power. A good example is Zion just north of Chicago.
No, China stopping coal would NOT harm their economy. They ate ADDing, not replacing, another 250-300GW of new coal plants by end of 2020. That is just in China. They are adding another 250-300 GW in other nations. None of that is needed for economy. China is planning on selling coal to other nations, in essence, they are taking advantage of a loophole. If ppl like you were realistic and put pressure on China to stop adding coal plants, they would. BTW, China's coal plants which provide ~70-80% of electricity are ran at around 50-60 %. Iow, without adding any more coal plants ( just do replacement instead of adding ), they can increase electricity by some 50%, just with their current coal plants of 1.1 TW. And by end of 2020, they will have 1.36 TW. So not needed.
Worst, I said in first posting that that America is buying lower mpg vehicles. So you lied about what I said
Secondly, these vehicles are as efficient as any from Europe esp since they are the same. Europe buys smaller cars because of small roads and families but same efficiency.
Third, when America/europe buys a new car, it typically replaces a car. When China buys a new car, it adds to their total. Iow, a car is typically not junked. As such, which 98% of China's vehicle bring fossil fuels, it adds lots more emissions. America's and Europe do not.
If you did the math, you would have found out that BOTH China and America have 2% of new car sales as EV. So you lie, again, when screaming that China is buying more.
Finally, with China at 80% of their electricity ( yes, 80% ) as coal, your electricity is filthy. Worse yet, while America continues to drop our coal, you continue to lie about your nation adding more coal than America has total.
Great. Let's drop all subsidies for wind.
Well, there are different causes in different locations. For example, America continues to drop coal and move to wind/Nat ga, in spite of trump. But our buying lower mpg cars is an issue. Thankfully, that is coming to a close as EVs sales rise.
Then you have China and India. Both of these continue to lots of coal, but the real problem is that as they switch to EVs, they will use loads more coal to power them.
Until society is willing to say no more fossil fuel electric plants, we will continue to get worse.
yes, but it is NOT Alibaba that is doing the misrepresentation. It is Karen Hao who got here ME, but could not go with it. So, she has tried to move to software with data and apparently failed at that. Now is working on being a reporter and in AI. Sadly, she does NOT have a background in either software OR AI, so does not understand why this article has MAJOR issues. And yeah, Tabilizer is spot on.
Exactly right.
Oddly, the author, Karen Hao, is an ME that did not cut it in that field, so tried software in data, but apparently was not good enough, and now is trying to be a reporter in AI. So, she is now trying to learn how to be both a reporter and how AI works.
She obviously has some work to do.
I thought it was strange that we grabbed this woman and pointed out that we had NO rights to do so. Yet, trump's ppl are doing it.
While Trump is right to go after China for their economic war on us, either directly or indirectly grabbing a CFO (who has NO say on who the company sells to), makes zero sense.
It depends on where you are working. What this person describes is political BS. That is needed at old monopolies, or none-technical companies, that have a small amount of ppl.
In a large go-getting start-up type company, you are much better off focusing on solutions and not how you can BS.
Cities are putting up fiber-as-utility all over right now. Just here in Colorado, we have some 6+ cities running their own fiber, they have 1+G connections to the homes (and more to businesses) for less than $100 (several are around $50 for that 1G up/down).
Centennial CO Fiber
Longmont CO fiber Ft. Collins, CO Fiber Oops. Turns out that we have over 100 towns/cities adding/already added GB fiber-as-utility on their own.
How is all this disagreeing with me?
Da Da, ya uveren, chto vashi bossy khotyat, chtoby Amerika ushla s dorogi.
So, do you make good money now that you are out of military and working directly for bortnikov?
along with dealing with illegal aliens, poor taxation , lunar exploration, CO2, etc.
Fucking around with NN is a waste of time and money. Just like we have states, i.e. local gov, bypassing the pot drug laws, it is time for local gov to move towards their own fiber as a utility, while getting ready for spacelink and 1-web.
The difference is probability. Chinese companies MUST do what Chinese gov says. OTOH, we are paying attention to companies that are being set up in America.
For example, google for Global IP, and satellites. This is a company designed from the ground up to steal Sat tech. That is one out of many sat companies that are not about sending tech to China.
Now, with that said, obviously security through obfuscation or by nationalism, is not 100% successful .
Rather than require a set size of solar, they need to instead require new homes to install enough UNSUBSIDIZED AE (likely solar) so that the energy => the energy used by HVAC. By doing this, it enables developers to figure out how best to build things. In addition, utilities that will fight solar, will not fight this. After all, they will technically have to buy the extra energy. This approach makes a winner of all.