The VOIP stuff is nice for long distance around the world, but the fact is, that when you have another 9/11, land lines WILL get through, while cell and voip will get shut off. I know because I was able to connect to my parent's home on 9/11, while not able to talk to their cells.
First off, it is not right to pollute all over. We are killing all sorts of ppl, and wildlife.
BUT, just as big of a reason is that there are a large number of elements in these. These can be burned safely with the waste heat used for thermal electricity, and then the elements are saved off by. Heck, we paid for them once, and with recycling here, we can make use of these.
Regardless, it is time to pass a law barring any shipping off of e-waste to other undeveloped nations.
Right now, Tesla is only sold in about 1/3 of USA, less than 1/10 of Europe, and nothing else. I think that Tesla will find PLENTY of middle class in places like Brazil, India, China, Japan, UK, France (actually, they just opened 2 there), Spain, Portugal, Canada, Mexico, etc. etc. etc. As well as the other 2/3 of America. Heck, all of Asia, which has roughly 1/2 of the world's population is only 5 stores.
The amount of Cobalt that goes into the cathode is next to none. In fact, the mines JUST in North America will more than handle all of the batteries that we will produce for the next 30 years. And that ignores the fact that lithium air batteries will be ready in 5 years.
What is really needed is to replace these first and second gen reactors with smaller ones that can burn up their old fuel. Ideally, the thorium reactors would make good sense.
In addition, we need to replace the coal plants with say 2 small nuke reactors (B&W's mPower would be a good one, perhaps combined with a thorium ), combined with energy storage. One good energy storage would be EOS Energy.
Regardless, the reason why America, in fact the west, is in trouble with our electricity is that we have far too much from single sources. Far better to have a diversified energy matrix. And this idea that it should be all wind and solar has to be the WORST idea going.
Seriously, this is the kind of phone that should be in our troops hands. Basically, we need secured systems that are also weather and water proof. And if Boeing builds it with western chips, then it should be fully secured.
scarcity of materials? You are kidding. Right? Lithium is in the top 10 most abundant materials. A new lithium mine was found in Wyoming that has no less than 3/4 million tonnes of lithium. However, they believe that it is actually around 18 million tonnes. And that is just one mine in America. Many others are out there. More importantly, both japan and South Korea are working on how to get it from the ocean. And we have several companies working on seperating it from geo-thermal generators post steam.
Really? You can have somebody replace your engine at 15 years later, with a brand new engine, AND include all of your regular maintenance for less than $5000K? What car are you driving? I would have thought that it was impossible to get a brand new engine for 2000K, let alone be able to get one. And once you add in all of the BS service calls, I would expect to pay well over 7500 for maintenence, brake pads, brakes, probable transmissions, seals, new engines, etc.
But once you hit 50K, 75K, 100K, 125K, and 150K, you need 1000's of $ for each time. And if you lose a transmission, or other parts, life is EXPENSIVE. The simple fact is, that ICE cars are complex creatures that will have issues down the road and will costs loads of money.
The only thing worse than a General ICE, is a parallel hybrid. Worst idea going.
nope.
The leaf is really only suitable for areas like all of Japan, and most of mid europe and America. Otherwise, it gets too hot or too cold. The leaf does NOT deal with thermal issues, so they have serious battery issues.
Tesla absolutely has cooling fluid. In fact, it is the ONLY car maker to properly deal with the cells. And that heat is used to heat the inside of the car.
There is grease, but they are in sealed areas. IOW, they are not expected to wear out.
Brake pads are expected to be changed about every 100K miles. Not bad.
Far more likely, is the fact that Tesla carries more than 4-5x more KWH what the volt does and has spread out their batteries with 7000 cells on the bottom of the car with thermal conditioning on EACH CELL.OTOH, the volt has some 288 cells in the car, and has low surface area / volume. And yes, the volt has had one fire. Tesla has had 3 fires, with nobody hurt. In fact, Tesla has more KWH on the road than does the Volt.
And considering that Li-ion batteries does NOT explode like Gas (or diesel in the right condition) just due to a crash. It takes overcharging to cause that. And Tesla handles their batteries better than any car maker out there. They are the only one that is properly conditions each cell. Yes, the volt has some thermal management on their modules, but, it is not one of the cells.
All in all, only the Model S handles things decently.
First off, the Model S starts at 69K.
The Model X is the Cross over that will be out early next year (was supposed to be this summer, but....). I am guessing that it will be starting at 75K.
The Model E which is out end of 2016, will be 35K base.
So, do not buy one. Heck, the conditions that you put on it is silly and foolish. FEW cars have 500 mile range today.
And with Telsa having FREE fast recharges (less than 1 hour for 250 MPC) around America and Europe (spaced at 100-150 miles), I think that the vast majority of buyers will become reasonable and do this instead.
Oh, and battery swaps out on the tesla are expected at 10-15 years.
There is ONE huge difference. Back then, the companies were trying to keep their prices very high. They wanted maximum profits, which allowed other companies in. Tesla is doing the exact opposite. They have not only lowest costs, but they are keeping their prices relatively low for what they COULD charge. They are not making the profits that they could, but it will stop others from being able to take Tesla on directly.
As it is, their technology AND value is superior to all of the other car maker's offerings.
LOL.
First off, Last year was Tesla's first year. And they borrowed.5B from the feds and paid it back.
OTOH, major car makers borrowed 10's of billions and NONE have paid it back.
Secondly, to compare the F150 to the model S is a joke. might as well compare the number of german shepards sold vs. the Model S. Same worthless comparison.
HOWEVER, in every state/nation where they have showrooms (esp. multiple showrooms), the Model S is outselling all of the direct ICE competitors, such as BWM 5 series.
And the Model S is backlogged by no less than 3 months, all the way to 12 months. And that is with selling to less than 1/10 of the world's population.
Musk expects to have manufacturing capability of 250-350K cars for the model E in 2017. Yes, in its first year, Tesla expects that they will sell more than 1/4M cars. Basically, it will outsell of ITS direct competitors, possibly COMBINED.
If Tesla can remove the battery production bottle neck it's currently facing, the only question left will be market acceptance of a mainstream electric car.
LOL. That is just funny. The Model S has won more awards than any other car. Likewise, it has nearly all reviewers raving about it. There are only a few ppl that have driven it and do not like it.
Now, they are producing at a rate of 30K cars / year, have a waiting list of 3 months in the few states that have showrooms, 3-6 months in parts Europe, and that is with less than 1/10 of the world population.
It is considered by nearly all that it is a better car that any below $150K.
In fact, it has sold more than any car in its category for any state/nation that it sells at.
And you wonder if it will have market acceptance of a mainstream electric car?
Hell boy, it has market acceptance of ANY ICE car.
The real question is, what will the major car makers do when Tesla is ready to introduce their highly sought after Model E at a price of $35K? My guess is that they will all scream that they can not compete.
Slashdot Mirror
The VOIP stuff is nice for long distance around the world, but the fact is, that when you have another 9/11, land lines WILL get through, while cell and voip will get shut off. I know because I was able to connect to my parent's home on 9/11, while not able to talk to their cells.
First off, it is not right to pollute all over. We are killing all sorts of ppl, and wildlife.
BUT, just as big of a reason is that there are a large number of elements in these. These can be burned safely with the waste heat used for thermal electricity, and then the elements are saved off by. Heck, we paid for them once, and with recycling here, we can make use of these.
Regardless, it is time to pass a law barring any shipping off of e-waste to other undeveloped nations.
Right now, Tesla is only sold in about 1/3 of USA, less than 1/10 of Europe, and nothing else. I think that Tesla will find PLENTY of middle class in places like Brazil, India, China, Japan, UK, France (actually, they just opened 2 there), Spain, Portugal, Canada, Mexico, etc. etc. etc. As well as the other 2/3 of America. Heck, all of Asia, which has roughly 1/2 of the world's population is only 5 stores.
Car and driver, amongst others, differ with you.
And that is the only one that calls it that. Everybody else calls it what it is: a luxury full size sedan.
The amount of Cobalt that goes into the cathode is next to none. In fact, the mines JUST in North America will more than handle all of the batteries that we will produce for the next 30 years. And that ignores the fact that lithium air batteries will be ready in 5 years.
What is really needed is to replace these first and second gen reactors with smaller ones that can burn up their old fuel. Ideally, the thorium reactors would make good sense.
In addition, we need to replace the coal plants with say 2 small nuke reactors (B&W's mPower would be a good one, perhaps combined with a thorium ), combined with energy storage. One good energy storage would be EOS Energy.
Regardless, the reason why America, in fact the west, is in trouble with our electricity is that we have far too much from single sources. Far better to have a diversified energy matrix. And this idea that it should be all wind and solar has to be the WORST idea going.
Great post, except that you need to add geo-thermal in there. And Solar is being done wrong at this time.
Seriously, this is the kind of phone that should be in our troops hands. Basically, we need secured systems that are also weather and water proof. And if Boeing builds it with western chips, then it should be fully secured.
scarcity of materials? You are kidding. Right? Lithium is in the top 10 most abundant materials. A new lithium mine was found in Wyoming that has no less than 3/4 million tonnes of lithium. However, they believe that it is actually around 18 million tonnes. And that is just one mine in America. Many others are out there. More importantly, both japan and South Korea are working on how to get it from the ocean. And we have several companies working on seperating it from geo-thermal generators post steam.
And as to battery costs, they have been going down about 10% every couple of years. But here you go.
That leads to things like this claiming drops of 20-30% each year (pretty steep, but not as steep as what China did with solar cells) and that is just with Lithium-ion. It does not include lithium air, or even the zinc battery work, etc.
Which is why owners pay Tesla $50/month for taking care of all that. IOW, 1 tankful of gas in the USA for a medium size car.
wow. I have not heard that before. Interesting. Thanx.
uh, no. The Tesla is cheaper than the cars that it replaces, say the Audi A8, or BWM 5 series. And it outperforms then to boot, with more luxury.
So far, there have been 5 roadsters with 100K miles on them. Only 1 is below 85% charge.
And in 10-15 years, battery packs will be around $2K.
Really? You can have somebody replace your engine at 15 years later, with a brand new engine, AND include all of your regular maintenance for less than $5000K? What car are you driving? I would have thought that it was impossible to get a brand new engine for 2000K, let alone be able to get one. And once you add in all of the BS service calls, I would expect to pay well over 7500 for maintenence, brake pads, brakes, probable transmissions, seals, new engines, etc.
Or are you just a liar?
But once you hit 50K, 75K, 100K, 125K, and 150K, you need 1000's of $ for each time. And if you lose a transmission, or other parts, life is EXPENSIVE. The simple fact is, that ICE cars are complex creatures that will have issues down the road and will costs loads of money.
The only thing worse than a General ICE, is a parallel hybrid. Worst idea going.
nope.
The leaf is really only suitable for areas like all of Japan, and most of mid europe and America. Otherwise, it gets too hot or too cold. The leaf does NOT deal with thermal issues, so they have serious battery issues.
Tesla absolutely has cooling fluid. In fact, it is the ONLY car maker to properly deal with the cells. And that heat is used to heat the inside of the car.
There is grease, but they are in sealed areas. IOW, they are not expected to wear out.
Brake pads are expected to be changed about every 100K miles. Not bad.
uh, no. LG's battery chemistry is UNKNOWN, so for you to make the wild claim that it has less prone to fires, is simply false. You have NOTHING to back that up with, since LG will not publish their chemistry and no independent group has vetted the fire issues. In fact, NHSTA says that thermal runaway CAN occur, just like Tesla's. The only deaths are in BYD's e6, which is poorly engineered and built.
Far more likely, is the fact that Tesla carries more than 4-5x more KWH what the volt does and has spread out their batteries with 7000 cells on the bottom of the car with thermal conditioning on EACH CELL.OTOH, the volt has some 288 cells in the car, and has low surface area / volume. And yes, the volt has had one fire. Tesla has had 3 fires, with nobody hurt. In fact, Tesla has more KWH on the road than does the Volt.
And considering that Li-ion batteries does NOT explode like Gas (or diesel in the right condition) just due to a crash. It takes overcharging to cause that. And Tesla handles their batteries better than any car maker out there. They are the only one that is properly conditions each cell. Yes, the volt has some thermal management on their modules, but, it is not one of the cells.
All in all, only the Model S handles things decently.
Since it is from Musk and not some MBA, credibility is high.
However, will has his time frames and models mixed up.
First off, the Model S starts at 69K.
The Model X is the Cross over that will be out early next year (was supposed to be this summer, but....). I am guessing that it will be starting at 75K.
The Model E which is out end of 2016, will be 35K base.
So, do not buy one. Heck, the conditions that you put on it is silly and foolish. FEW cars have 500 mile range today. And with Telsa having FREE fast recharges (less than 1 hour for 250 MPC) around America and Europe (spaced at 100-150 miles), I think that the vast majority of buyers will become reasonable and do this instead.
Oh, and battery swaps out on the tesla are expected at 10-15 years.
There is ONE huge difference. Back then, the companies were trying to keep their prices very high. They wanted maximum profits, which allowed other companies in. Tesla is doing the exact opposite. They have not only lowest costs, but they are keeping their prices relatively low for what they COULD charge. They are not making the profits that they could, but it will stop others from being able to take Tesla on directly.
As it is, their technology AND value is superior to all of the other car maker's offerings.
LOL. .5B from the feds and paid it back.
First off, Last year was Tesla's first year. And they borrowed
OTOH, major car makers borrowed 10's of billions and NONE have paid it back.
Secondly, to compare the F150 to the model S is a joke. might as well compare the number of german shepards sold vs. the Model S. Same worthless comparison.
HOWEVER, in every state/nation where they have showrooms (esp. multiple showrooms), the Model S is outselling all of the direct ICE competitors, such as BWM 5 series.
And the Model S is backlogged by no less than 3 months, all the way to 12 months. And that is with selling to less than 1/10 of the world's population.
Musk expects to have manufacturing capability of 250-350K cars for the model E in 2017. Yes, in its first year, Tesla expects that they will sell more than 1/4M cars. Basically, it will outsell of ITS direct competitors, possibly COMBINED.
If Tesla can remove the battery production bottle neck it's currently facing, the only question left will be market acceptance of a mainstream electric car.
LOL. That is just funny. The Model S has won more awards than any other car. Likewise, it has nearly all reviewers raving about it. There are only a few ppl that have driven it and do not like it.
Now, they are producing at a rate of 30K cars / year, have a waiting list of 3 months in the few states that have showrooms, 3-6 months in parts Europe, and that is with less than 1/10 of the world population.
It is considered by nearly all that it is a better car that any below $150K.
In fact, it has sold more than any car in its category for any state/nation that it sells at.
And you wonder if it will have market acceptance of a mainstream electric car?
Hell boy, it has market acceptance of ANY ICE car.
The real question is, what will the major car makers do when Tesla is ready to introduce their highly sought after Model E at a price of $35K? My guess is that they will all scream that they can not compete.