Spoken like a fool that has no idea of what he talks about. These are not designed for simple day-to-day charging. You do that at your home. These are designed for long distance driving across the nation. Within 2 years, they will these every 100 miles or so (keep in mind that the car travels 250 MPC).
In addition, current average cost of a Model S is around 85K, not 100K. 100K is a very decked out Model S.
And Tesla has been making a profit for the last year.
Finally, Tesla has said that the Model E, WILL have free access to the super chargers.
Why do you say that they have no solution for it? They are putting in free superchargers all over the nation. In fact, within 2 years, they will have one every 100 miles around the nation.
This issue is no different than what happened when I was growing up and everybody worried about gas stations (many cars back then were only 100 miles range). So, gas stations arose everywhere. BUT, I can still recall in the mid 60s, my dad wondering where to grab gas along some of the new highways that we drove.
LOL. My accord has 12 gals. I get 26 MPG driving nicely. That is 312 miles.
My wife's highlander has 16 gals, but gets 21 mpg driving nicely. That is a range of 336 miles.
In fact, the average car has a range of 250-350 miles. That is why Tesla picked that size. The Model S's range IS AVERAGE.
Now, as to driving 8-10 hours without a stop, good luck. Driving at 75 MPH in the USE, 8 hours will take 600 mile range.
Worse, not even truck drivers are allowed to drive for that long without a break. In fact, they are required to take a minimum of a 30 minute break during any 8 hour period (i.e., they can not hit 8 hours of driving).
You silly neo-cons/tea* make lance armstrong and richard nixon look like boy scouts that tell simple white lies.
the only one that is worth buying is Tesla.
The leaf is far too high priced for what you get. And the other electric cars are pure junk.
Elon Musk is about to announce his giga-factory. This will build batteries. It will effectively double the amount of batteries on the global market.
It appears that he will be using lithium from Wyoming, since it is the cheapest lithium in the world (and loads of it).
And considering that Elon focuses on lowering manufacturing costs via heavy automation and other techniques, it is obvious that he will cut the price of lithium batteries in half or more.
When Tesla does their model E in 3 years, it will have cheap batteries, and the base on it will be around 35K, while having better luxury than anything that Audi, MB, Caddi, or BMW have in that range. At that point, gas/diesel car sales will plummet, as will stock prices for car makers that are not into decent electric car production. And so far, none of them are.
I do not know how much it will costs or how much the charges will be, etc. BUT, that can be checked once the contract is done. Until then, all you have is speculation.
wow. So many things wrong here. You totally miss facts and economics. No wonder why you hard core liberals are such heavy polluters on this planet, and why YOUR actions will lead for things to be worse.
So, first off, keystone has multiple parts. In the middle, it stops at cushing, ok, where they have 4 refineries (2 large and 1 medium). Then they have the southern portion which flows to port arthur (started jan 21, 2014) in which it flows to 3 different refineries, including America's largest refinery, another large one, and another medium size one. In addition, it is to flow to houston where it will merge with multiple refineries there as well (you can google for those; I am not going to do all of your work to check facts).
Now, when keystone flows, will it in fact raise oil prices to America? Yup. $10/bl. That will mean that gas/diesel prices WILL GO UP. That will discourage ppl from buying low mpg cars. However, if you liberals make no changes, then all that will happen is that oil demand will slow, but will not reverse.
So, is there a good solution out of this? Absolutely. As I said, tax the oil that flows through the pipeline by $1/bl which is 1%, so not much. Then apply that to NEW electric and nat. gas vehicles. By getting Americans to switch off oil using vehicles, that will drop America's demand for oil. Considering that we are the second largest user of oil (china is now #1), it will mean that prices WILL DROP on oil. The faster that we get electric and nat. gas vehicles going here, the faster that our oil demand will drop. And if done right, within 5 years, America could see the first time that our oil usage DROPS. When that occurs, oil prices will PLUMMET.
Sadly, you liberals are just about as worthless as neo-cons and tea* on science, facts, and economic understanding. That is why USA is in such a world of hurt. Heck, the neo-cons and tea* have such a low understanding of science that they claim that climate change is not occurring, or that evolution did not occur.
BUT, you liberals scream about nuke power, you scream about fracking, yet science is showing that you are full of it, and now the environmental study shows that the pipeline is much safer and saner than trains (totally makes sense), yet you liberals act like it you can stop it.
I am not a fan of the tarsands. Yet, I fully understand why we need it. I also know that Limeys regularly blast Americans for lack of strategic thinking, and far too much tactical thinking. I now realize that they are 100% correct. We did not use to be that way, but liberals like you, and the far right wing idiots, are just short-term thinkers that only think of their own agenda and nothing else. Worse, if somebody does not see it your way, than they are the ones that are wrong.
look again. A-3 was built for a vacuum testing. IOW, upper stage. The first raptor IS an upper stage engine, and A-3 CAN be slightly modified to support it (methane in place of the H2).
E-3 is NOT being used for the FULL raptor engines, but component testing. Once those are tested, then the full engine must be tested. E-3 will not support it. A-3 can.
Pipeline could be there best friend. Push o to put a tax of $1-4/bl that flows. Then have that tax applied to new electric and natural gas vehicles. That will enable them to drop demand for oil to energy down the road. That will lower price of oil which will make expensive oil go away, while dropping CO2.
Such a lack of strategical thoughts in America.
You can count on one hand the number of companies that can use this. That is true. OTOH, SpaceX tests EVERY engine that it creates. And raptor will very likely go into high gear like merlin is. As such, I suspect that SpaceX will make heavy use of this, and then Blue Origin and others will follow.
BTW, you will note that Raptor is not going to SpaceX's test facility because it will be too noisy, and they have limited time to run it.
So, I would not be surprised to see even FH be tested at stennis.
There is nothing contrary to what I said. Basically, the republican controlled house supports the funding of this. However, you will note that the house is controlled by the republicans and the republican party is CURRENTLY controlled by neo-cons, not the tea*. Just because he is targeted by the tea* has nothing to do with job creation at stennis.
read it again. It is NASA inspector that says that it is useless FOR NASA. And for NASA, it is useless. For private industry, I promise you that it will be used.
I agree with you . NTU is absolutely worthless. They will do anything for anyone that pays. Obviously, they are being paid by a company to bring this up.
this is a neo-con, so the house of neo-cons/tea* is backing it. Personally, I am fine with this because SpaceX WILL be using it.
The real pork are things like SLS and manufacturing of more M1A2s. And just the SLS is 3-5B PER YEAR.
So ppl pissing about 350 million while ignoring the neo-cons/tea* push on the SLS and M1A2s is a joke.
It is designed for large 1 million lb VACUUM based thrust (IOW, an upper stage engine(s)). What is nice is that the raptor is a large upper stage engine. I expect that SpaceX will use this for their raptor engine. The E-3 stand will only work for sub-components testing, not the full engine.
SpaceX just cut a deal with stennis for testing of their new raptor family. The first engine of this family will be 1/3 of an F1. And yes, it is using these towers. So, this is wrong.
I did find the 'study' that was done on a india/pakistan exchange. Basically, they assume that it would be similar to Pinatubo erruption. IOW, the north would have a shortened summer, and crops in far north and south would have issues. OTOH, civilization would be JUST FINE.
BUT, the issue is that muliple chinese leaders believe that THEY CAN live through a nuke war. Considering that they have built a massive underground tunnel that is 3000 miles long, at least 100' wide in the areas that were found, and are stocking up for a nuclear war, should concern everyone.
and that is an exageration. If you check the wiki for nuclear winter, you will see that the studies were NOT about india/pakistan with their few nukes, but about using EVERYTHING that we the world had in 2007, and using 1/3 of what the world had.
Yes, things were not good, but, it involved more than 4000 nukes on the 1/3, not a few dozen.
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Spoken like a fool that has no idea of what he talks about. These are not designed for simple day-to-day charging. You do that at your home. These are designed for long distance driving across the nation. Within 2 years, they will these every 100 miles or so (keep in mind that the car travels 250 MPC).
In addition, current average cost of a Model S is around 85K, not 100K. 100K is a very decked out Model S.
And Tesla has been making a profit for the last year.
Finally, Tesla has said that the Model E, WILL have free access to the super chargers.
Why do you say that they have no solution for it? They are putting in free superchargers all over the nation. In fact, within 2 years, they will have one every 100 miles around the nation.
This issue is no different than what happened when I was growing up and everybody worried about gas stations (many cars back then were only 100 miles range). So, gas stations arose everywhere. BUT, I can still recall in the mid 60s, my dad wondering where to grab gas along some of the new highways that we drove.
LOL. My accord has 12 gals. I get 26 MPG driving nicely. That is 312 miles.
My wife's highlander has 16 gals, but gets 21 mpg driving nicely. That is a range of 336 miles.
In fact, the average car has a range of 250-350 miles. That is why Tesla picked that size. The Model S's range IS AVERAGE.
Now, as to driving 8-10 hours without a stop, good luck. Driving at 75 MPH in the USE, 8 hours will take 600 mile range.
Worse, not even truck drivers are allowed to drive for that long without a break. In fact, they are required to take a minimum of a 30 minute break during any 8 hour period (i.e., they can not hit 8 hours of driving).
You silly neo-cons/tea* make lance armstrong and richard nixon look like boy scouts that tell simple white lies.
the only one that is worth buying is Tesla.
The leaf is far too high priced for what you get. And the other electric cars are pure junk.
Elon Musk is about to announce his giga-factory. This will build batteries. It will effectively double the amount of batteries on the global market.
It appears that he will be using lithium from Wyoming, since it is the cheapest lithium in the world (and loads of it).
And considering that Elon focuses on lowering manufacturing costs via heavy automation and other techniques, it is obvious that he will cut the price of lithium batteries in half or more.
When Tesla does their model E in 3 years, it will have cheap batteries, and the base on it will be around 35K, while having better luxury than anything that Audi, MB, Caddi, or BMW have in that range. At that point, gas/diesel car sales will plummet, as will stock prices for car makers that are not into decent electric car production. And so far, none of them are.
I do not know how much it will costs or how much the charges will be, etc. BUT, that can be checked once the contract is done. Until then, all you have is speculation.
where do you see me saying that it should be free to them? NASA will be charging them for it.
wow. So many things wrong here. You totally miss facts and economics. No wonder why you hard core liberals are such heavy polluters on this planet, and why YOUR actions will lead for things to be worse.
So, first off, keystone has multiple parts. In the middle, it stops at cushing, ok, where they have 4 refineries (2 large and 1 medium). Then they have the southern portion which flows to port arthur (started jan 21, 2014) in which it flows to 3 different refineries, including America's largest refinery, another large one, and another medium size one. In addition, it is to flow to houston where it will merge with multiple refineries there as well (you can google for those; I am not going to do all of your work to check facts).
Now, when keystone flows, will it in fact raise oil prices to America? Yup. $10/bl. That will mean that gas/diesel prices WILL GO UP. That will discourage ppl from buying low mpg cars. However, if you liberals make no changes, then all that will happen is that oil demand will slow, but will not reverse.
So, is there a good solution out of this? Absolutely. As I said, tax the oil that flows through the pipeline by $1/bl which is 1%, so not much. Then apply that to NEW electric and nat. gas vehicles. By getting Americans to switch off oil using vehicles, that will drop America's demand for oil. Considering that we are the second largest user of oil (china is now #1), it will mean that prices WILL DROP on oil. The faster that we get electric and nat. gas vehicles going here, the faster that our oil demand will drop. And if done right, within 5 years, America could see the first time that our oil usage DROPS. When that occurs, oil prices will PLUMMET.
Sadly, you liberals are just about as worthless as neo-cons and tea* on science, facts, and economic understanding. That is why USA is in such a world of hurt. Heck, the neo-cons and tea* have such a low understanding of science that they claim that climate change is not occurring, or that evolution did not occur.
BUT, you liberals scream about nuke power, you scream about fracking, yet science is showing that you are full of it, and now the environmental study shows that the pipeline is much safer and saner than trains (totally makes sense), yet you liberals act like it you can stop it.
I am not a fan of the tarsands. Yet, I fully understand why we need it. I also know that Limeys regularly blast Americans for lack of strategic thinking, and far too much tactical thinking. I now realize that they are 100% correct. We did not use to be that way, but liberals like you, and the far right wing idiots, are just short-term thinkers that only think of their own agenda and nothing else. Worse, if somebody does not see it your way, than they are the ones that are wrong.
so, you think that getting multiple private companies launching here in the USA that are out of control of congress is a bad thing?
could not have said it better.
look again. A-3 was built for a vacuum testing. IOW, upper stage. The first raptor IS an upper stage engine, and A-3 CAN be slightly modified to support it (methane in place of the H2).
E-3 is NOT being used for the FULL raptor engines, but component testing. Once those are tested, then the full engine must be tested. E-3 will not support it. A-3 can.
Pipeline could be there best friend. Push o to put a tax of $1-4/bl that flows. Then have that tax applied to new electric and natural gas vehicles. That will enable them to drop demand for oil to energy down the road. That will lower price of oil which will make expensive oil go away, while dropping CO2. Such a lack of strategical thoughts in America.
You can count on one hand the number of companies that can use this. That is true. OTOH, SpaceX tests EVERY engine that it creates. And raptor will very likely go into high gear like merlin is. As such, I suspect that SpaceX will make heavy use of this, and then Blue Origin and others will follow.
BTW, you will note that Raptor is not going to SpaceX's test facility because it will be too noisy, and they have limited time to run it. So, I would not be surprised to see even FH be tested at stennis.
There is nothing contrary to what I said. Basically, the republican controlled house supports the funding of this. However, you will note that the house is controlled by the republicans and the republican party is CURRENTLY controlled by neo-cons, not the tea*. Just because he is targeted by the tea* has nothing to do with job creation at stennis.
And yet, even China claims that it is 3000 miles long (which would suggest that it is MUCH longer)
but, if it can be finished and used in the future, by say SpaceX and Blue Origin, then it is a good deal.
read it again. It is NASA inspector that says that it is useless FOR NASA. And for NASA, it is useless. For private industry, I promise you that it will be used.
I agree with you . NTU is absolutely worthless. They will do anything for anyone that pays. Obviously, they are being paid by a company to bring this up.
this is a neo-con, so the house of neo-cons/tea* is backing it. Personally, I am fine with this because SpaceX WILL be using it.
The real pork are things like SLS and manufacturing of more M1A2s. And just the SLS is 3-5B PER YEAR.
So ppl pissing about 350 million while ignoring the neo-cons/tea* push on the SLS and M1A2s is a joke.
It is designed for large 1 million lb VACUUM based thrust (IOW, an upper stage engine(s)). What is nice is that the raptor is a large upper stage engine. I expect that SpaceX will use this for their raptor engine. The E-3 stand will only work for sub-components testing, not the full engine.
yeah, that approach has worked great for reagan and W. Certainly helped balance our budget. .....
Oh wait,
SpaceX just cut a deal with stennis for testing of their new raptor family. The first engine of this family will be 1/3 of an F1. And yes, it is using these towers. So, this is wrong.
I did find the 'study' that was done on a india/pakistan exchange. Basically, they assume that it would be similar to Pinatubo erruption. IOW, the north would have a shortened summer, and crops in far north and south would have issues. OTOH, civilization would be JUST FINE.
BUT, the issue is that muliple chinese leaders believe that THEY CAN live through a nuke war. Considering that they have built a massive underground tunnel that is 3000 miles long, at least 100' wide in the areas that were found, and are stocking up for a nuclear war, should concern everyone.
and that is an exageration. If you check the wiki for nuclear winter, you will see that the studies were NOT about india/pakistan with their few nukes, but about using EVERYTHING that we the world had in 2007, and using 1/3 of what the world had.
Yes, things were not good, but, it involved more than 4000 nukes on the 1/3, not a few dozen.
Thanx. Did not know that.
pretty much.