I have always disliked our trade with China. The problem is that China is not just cheating, the gov. is in a cold war with the west. Basically, they are out to grab Taiwan soon and then continue the expansion esp. into areas that have traditionally belonged to others, but now have resources. The sprately islands is just one example.
Mexico is already in a civil war. That is in no small part due to America. We have large drug demands and Mexican drug lords supply it. Some because they want the money (i.e. businessmen), but for others, it is because they are terrorist and seek to inflict harm on America (zetas).
I think that we need to legalize drugs here, but regulate heavily and allow ZERO imports/exports. That will starve the many beasts in Mexico, and they will die. I would like to see closer work with Mexican universities. We can and should improve that. We REALLY screwed up NAFTA, and all trade acts for that matter. It should have been used to not just allow trade, but it should have required top environmental conditions (I would accept American as a MINIMUM, but prefer Canada's), and Labor Laws as well (prefer a more streamline version of ours) as well as requiring money be freely traded.
Fianlly, we need to start enforcing these. China was required to change a number of things, and instead, they have gotten much worse. W/neo-cons screwed up America with that BS. We need to start enforcing the FTA with China (they honor NONE of their promises) and work towards improving all the other ones.
And this is not just Mexico, but all of Latin America that needs the help. However, bringing illegals to America and turning America into a 3rd world nation will NOT solve these other nation's issues.
Not even CLOSE to true. Based on what we have read in the press, it is obvious that Manning released so much more. Quit being a dick. Manning can not be executed fast enough the traitor that he is. I only wish that he was joined by the traitors from the white house that outed Plame.
However,, if you look at the top dems, they want to give total amnesty to the illegals that are here, while the polls of dems show that more than 75% prefer that we boot them all. That would be not just be wrong, it would be a NIGHTMARE. Many of these ppl are well aware of how to get around the system. They have loads of ways to escape paying taxes since they have been doing it for ages. Worse, it rewards those that break the laws.
But what amazes me is that few think about the fact that if these ppl were given legal status, they would quit doing the same jobs that we say that we need them for.
In addition, one of the criteria used for them, the contributing to SSN, medicare, etc for free, would fail BADLY. These illegals would sue to gain all of the money that they put in, AND since it was not enough, they would be given billions more. IOW, illegals would not only fail to do the work that so many say that they would do, they would take even more from an already strained system.
oops. Just noticed that Joules Unlimited's test system is in the same areas as that shrimp farms. My guess is that Joules and Royal Caridea are working together.
Which helps prove my point, if this works. The way that shrimp farming works in Asia and South America is HORRIBLE to the water and to the shrimp. If we quit importing their shrimp, we will see this destructive approach plummet.
Do you think any of the current unemployment benefit collectors will step up and do farm work out in the sun for minimum wage? Do you think the farmers are ready to pay minimum wage to their workers?
A percentage of illegal immigrants do not remain indefinitely but do return to their country of origin; they are often referred to as “sojourners: they come to the United States for several years but eventually return to their home country."[7]
And those numbers are what we KNOW about. It is very likely that the numbers are very skewed. The chances are the that the illegals occupy far more in the non-ag sector. So, these robots will simply not take away that many jobs, but will keep an industry locals.
The ag argument for illegals is nonsense. Total and 100% pure nonsense. The fact that they chose to come here proves that they make more money here doing that work, then doing it at their home nation. After all, if they made more there, they would stay there. So, the ONLY way to lower our costs, is to automate it.
Odd. This same approach of automating has worked for centuries in helping America, while pushing manual labor has destroyed other nations.
And yet, we have to suffer through cowards that have nothing intelligent to say.
First off, I know then a few illegals. I know of one situation in which an illegal married an American (made it look like he was still living in Mexico) , then built up a company that is doing loads of work in Chicago suburbs, using illegals. Now, he is getting divorced because his American wife found out about his Mexican wife. During the investigation, they found out that his declared 70K in profits was over 750K yearly since 2001. And the illegals that he employed? MOST PAID NO TAXES. The thing is that had the gov. looked into this, they would have found that his production level was IMPOSSIBLE. And that is just ONE of a number of illegals that I know.
Our ag system is NOT built on illegals. It has only become that way over the last 10-20 years. Prior to that, ppl like me worked in the fields. And yes, I did. What is needed is not more illegals, not 'legal' illegals, but automation. And the fact is, that states that went along with the old ways, are the ones that lost out. You lower your labor costs in one of 2 ways: lower wages (which is what illegal do), or lower the hours (automation). The issue with lower wages, is that illegals come here because the pay is STILL above what they pay in other nations. IOW, illegals are turning America into looking like Central America. NO THANKS.
SpaceX is not the only one making it happen. NASA is making it happen WITH SpaceX, SNC, Boeing, Blue Horizon, and Bigelow Aerospace. We need all of these, and it is getting numerous engineers working. The problem is that a large number of neo-cons and a few dems are pushing the SLS nightmare.
You folks have a much bigger illegal issue than you realize. The problem is that your unemployment is low, so your gov. is ignoring it. The only reason for low unemployment is that China is buying your resources. They have started with their real estate bubble popping. It is expected that concrete and iron bubbles will pop in about 3 months. Once they do, they will quit importing iron and Calcium Silicate (cement). They are about to slow down their buying. And where have they imported the majority from for the last 20 years? Exactly. Once that happens, your unemployment will likely shift from the current 5 to over 10. At that time, you will find out that you have LOADS of illegals. They are ppl that came on a visa, but the visa expired, however, they stayed. And I suspect that once that happens, your citizens will scream to end illegals. BTW, other than Latin Americans, the vast majority of illegals here are on expired visas. Illegal Latin Americans doing labor represents over 85% of illegals. But about 10% which are Indians, Chinese, Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. are the expired visa's doing upper end jobs.
BS. America can not afford to outsource everything. It is destroying us. Far far better to automate the low end jobs. As it is, even the illegals are not working those. Less than 5% of all illegals work in Ag. The majority work in Service (restaurants, janitorial, etc) and CONSTRUCTION. How good of pay is in Construction? Well, many of these illegals are under paid at 60K/year. How do they make 60/year? They do not pay taxes. Far better to automate the Ag portions (easier to do than you can believe), much of the service, and even parts of construction. Then not only will we have much lower unemployment (send back all illegals except for those that qualify for dream act; that would give us about 5% unemployment), but we would have less drains on gov. and improved tax collections.
Poppycock. If we send back all of the illegals, then our unemployment will be around 5%. Then we move forward on automation. That is what we did from the mid 1800-1980. Starting in 1980, our nation was gutted by 2 presidents. They encouraged the outsourcing of manufacturing, as well as bringing loads of illegals. Heck, one of the 2 idiots gave amnesty to all of the illegals, but then did NOTHING to prevent future illegals.
We need to modify HR2885 to be a bit stronger, as well as add a modified dream act to it (treat the victims differently from the criminals). Those that were raised here, speak english (i.e. culturally are Americans), are in school, or have a GED or better, and have no legal issues (other than being illegal) and have ZERO association with gangs, should be allowed to earn citizenship after completing all of the previous and doing service for America. HR2885 requires e-verify. Not a total solution, but far far better than what we have. In addition, once all businesses are required to use it, it is VERY effective.
BS. I know LOADS of kids around my area that will be HAPPY to flip burgers and mow lawns. The problem is that many of the fast foods are owned by foreigners and hired loads of hispanics that can not speak any english, and who obviously do not live in this area. IOW, they are racists, so the local kids suffer.
No. Only an idiot would think that. The fact that somebody comes to the west to work says that even below minimum wages, they are making more than they make in other nations. So, that means that costs of goods is STILL TOO EXPENSIVE. To lower the costs, you have to automate. Simply outsourcing will only serve to destroy the west and turn it into looking like Central America or Northern Africa (poor and uneducated).
The fact is that Apollo was one of our greatness. So is Solar PVs. The problem with private space, like solar PV, is that others are cheating. For example, here in America, federal law PROHIBITS the feds from competing against private space. Yet, with Ares and now with the Senate launch system, that is exactly what they are doing. Add to that the fact that China is dumping on the world their heavily subsidized launches, as well as money manipulated system, and it is just digusting.
Now, as to 'Spirit of Solyndra', was it a disaster? Nope. It was profitable. So where was the issue? China was dumping on the market. They are dumping WELL BELOW COSTS. Solyndra SHOULD have had several years of great profits from their plant. It did not happen. Why? All be China dumps heavily. Sadly, O has been like W: do nothing about China's cheating. Thankfully, several weeks ago, Germany, and possibly EU, are screaming about China's illegal actions. So, we joined in on that. BUT, we should have done it 2 years ago. And private space in America is going to have the same issue. It is not just illegal competition from the feds, but from China that is going to cause the real issues.
America, in fact the west, has a serious issue with illegals. However, the west, is by far, the worst. We have neo-cons that encourage illegals to be here working for below prevailing wages, while not paying taxes. Then we have dems leaders that push for amnesty and allowing more illegals in, as long as they get amnesty. That is just plain twisted. Now, why do these illegals come to America (and canada, EU, UK, and Australia)? Because even below minimum wage, they still make more money than what they make in their own nations. The problem is that western levels of goods, count on taxes being paid as well as re-investment in the local economy. As such illegals who work in the nation, but then send the money out of the nation, are just as bad as those that outsource to China who manipulates money, dumps monster amounts of pollution on the planet (in 2015, China will dump more than 50% of all CO2; in 2019 +-, they will have accounted for 1/2 of ALL co2 that man has ever emitted, and that assumed a slower growth path then they are on; worse, it does not include their SO2, mercury, lead, chemical pollutions, etc, etc, etc that are dumped in the Sea of China, The pacific ocean, and in our shared airs). Basically, Illegals are not cheap enough to warrent keeping them here, and the real costs is the damage to western society. Those libs that back giving jobs to illegals because they deserve it are about as stupid as as the neo-cons: they will destroy the west and esp. America, due to lack of thought.
The only real way to save the west, and ultimately, the world, is to automate. In particular, food should be automated. Right now, less than 2% of American labor goes into Ag. One of the bigger issues is that we now import a lot of food. But we increasingly import shrimp from farms in South America and Asia. How bad are these? HORRIBLE. Both use loads of anti-biotics. IN addition, they do it not in isolated ponds, but along the shoreline. THis is some of the most important areas on the earth, and it is being destroyed to send sickly shrimp to the west. Insane.
Likewise, we get loads of food from China. Hell, Nestle is now producing candy in China. SICK. At this time, upper middle class Chinese buy food from USA, Canada, Australia, and EU. Why? Because they know that the good that is coming from China is loaded with mercury, lead, and many other pollutants. And this is happening again, because China is cheating, and companies like Nestle are greedy as all hell.
Ever been on a Chinese commercial fishing boat? I have talked to a fishery person that was working on one to make certain that China was not stealing or mis-labelling. She was telling afterwards that she no longer eats fish unless it is from USA, Canada, EU, UK, or Japan. She tells me that China was the worst. Disgusting conditions.
Robotics will solve a lot of these issues. We can grow our own shrimp here cheaper than importing them. Likewise, the same is true of veggies, fish, etc.
It is time for America, and the west, to take a stand and say enough is enough. We need to quit backing those that pollute and destroy our planet. Time to put a tax on all goods based on pollution from where they come from.
Seriously, few realize that this is hard work to have successful missions.
That is also why we need to get away from 100% newly developed systems esp. for things like pushing there.
A space tug that provides motion, electricity, even communication, would be a useful item to sell.
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I have always disliked our trade with China. The problem is that China is not just cheating, the gov. is in a cold war with the west. Basically, they are out to grab Taiwan soon and then continue the expansion esp. into areas that have traditionally belonged to others, but now have resources. The sprately islands is just one example.
Mexico is already in a civil war. That is in no small part due to America. We have large drug demands and Mexican drug lords supply it. Some because they want the money (i.e. businessmen), but for others, it is because they are terrorist and seek to inflict harm on America (zetas).
I think that we need to legalize drugs here, but regulate heavily and allow ZERO imports/exports. That will starve the many beasts in Mexico, and they will die. I would like to see closer work with Mexican universities. We can and should improve that.
We REALLY screwed up NAFTA, and all trade acts for that matter. It should have been used to not just allow trade, but it should have required top environmental conditions (I would accept American as a MINIMUM, but prefer Canada's), and Labor Laws as well (prefer a more streamline version of ours) as well as requiring money be freely traded.
Fianlly, we need to start enforcing these. China was required to change a number of things, and instead, they have gotten much worse. W/neo-cons screwed up America with that BS. We need to start enforcing the FTA with China (they honor NONE of their promises) and work towards improving all the other ones.
And this is not just Mexico, but all of Latin America that needs the help. However, bringing illegals to America and turning America into a 3rd world nation will NOT solve these other nation's issues.
If anything, what follows backs him up.
And even then, it does not come close to what manning did.
Not even CLOSE to true. Based on what we have read in the press, it is obvious that Manning released so much more. Quit being a dick. Manning can not be executed fast enough the traitor that he is. I only wish that he was joined by the traitors from the white house that outed Plame.
What was racist? Not a thing, coward.
Your assesment of the neo-cons was right on.
However,, if you look at the top dems, they want to give total amnesty to the illegals that are here, while the polls of dems show that more than 75% prefer that we boot them all. That would be not just be wrong, it would be a NIGHTMARE. Many of these ppl are well aware of how to get around the system. They have loads of ways to escape paying taxes since they have been doing it for ages. Worse, it rewards those that break the laws.
But what amazes me is that few think about the fact that if these ppl were given legal status, they would quit doing the same jobs that we say that we need them for. In addition, one of the criteria used for them, the contributing to SSN, medicare, etc for free, would fail BADLY. These illegals would sue to gain all of the money that they put in, AND since it was not enough, they would be given billions more. IOW, illegals would not only fail to do the work that so many say that they would do, they would take even more from an already strained system.
oops. Just noticed that Joules Unlimited's test system is in the same areas as that shrimp farms. My guess is that Joules and Royal Caridea are working together.
Which helps prove my point, if this works. The way that shrimp farming works in Asia and South America is HORRIBLE to the water and to the shrimp. If we quit importing their shrimp, we will see this destructive approach plummet.
Now what is needed for this shrimp waste is to feed it to another system that can make good use of it and change it from a waste water into a profit center.
We need automation to solve a lot of our issues. We used to be the MOST automated nation in the world. Then between unions and executives that did not want to spend the money, we lost ground.
Do you think any of the current unemployment benefit collectors will step up and do farm work out in the sun for minimum wage? Do you think the farmers are ready to pay minimum wage to their workers?
No. To both. But then again, neither do the illegals. Illegal immigrants work in many sectors of the U.S. economy. According to National Public Radio in 2005, about 3 percent work in agriculture; 33 percent have jobs in service industries; and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (16 percent), and in production, installation, and repair (17 percent).[5] According to USA Today in 2006, about 4 percent work in farming; 21 percent have jobs in service industries; and substantial numbers can be found in construction and related occupations (19 percent), and in production, installation, and repair (15 percent), with 12% in sales, 10% in management, and 8% in transportation.[6] Illegal immigrants have lower incomes than both legal immigrants and native-born Americans, but earnings do increase somewhat the longer an individual is in the country.[5]
A percentage of illegal immigrants do not remain indefinitely but do return to their country of origin; they are often referred to as “sojourners: they come to the United States for several years but eventually return to their home country."[7]
And those numbers are what we KNOW about. It is very likely that the numbers are very skewed. The chances are the that the illegals occupy far more in the non-ag sector. So, these robots will simply not take away that many jobs, but will keep an industry locals.
The ag argument for illegals is nonsense. Total and 100% pure nonsense. The fact that they chose to come here proves that they make more money here doing that work, then doing it at their home nation. After all, if they made more there, they would stay there. So, the ONLY way to lower our costs, is to automate it.
Odd. This same approach of automating has worked for centuries in helping America, while pushing manual labor has destroyed other nations. And yet, we have to suffer through cowards that have nothing intelligent to say.
How about 'thieves that are stealing from others families illegally'? Does that work for you?
First off, I know then a few illegals. I know of one situation in which an illegal married an American (made it look like he was still living in Mexico) , then built up a company that is doing loads of work in Chicago suburbs, using illegals. Now, he is getting divorced because his American wife found out about his Mexican wife. During the investigation, they found out that his declared 70K in profits was over 750K yearly since 2001. And the illegals that he employed? MOST PAID NO TAXES. The thing is that had the gov. looked into this, they would have found that his production level was IMPOSSIBLE. And that is just ONE of a number of illegals that I know.
Our ag system is NOT built on illegals. It has only become that way over the last 10-20 years. Prior to that, ppl like me worked in the fields. And yes, I did. What is needed is not more illegals, not 'legal' illegals, but automation. And the fact is, that states that went along with the old ways, are the ones that lost out. You lower your labor costs in one of 2 ways: lower wages (which is what illegal do), or lower the hours (automation). The issue with lower wages, is that illegals come here because the pay is STILL above what they pay in other nations. IOW, illegals are turning America into looking like Central America. NO THANKS.
There you go. Of course, the company may lose so many sales that they have to let you go. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
SpaceX is not the only one making it happen. NASA is making it happen WITH SpaceX, SNC, Boeing, Blue Horizon, and Bigelow Aerospace. We need all of these, and it is getting numerous engineers working. The problem is that a large number of neo-cons and a few dems are pushing the SLS nightmare.
While I object to what Alabama had in there, and the fact that it was not that effective (does not go after all of the illegals), but it did just go in and it IS having the desired and positive effect.
And yet, all the evidence says otherwise.
You folks have a much bigger illegal issue than you realize. The problem is that your unemployment is low, so your gov. is ignoring it. The only reason for low unemployment is that China is buying your resources. They have started with their real estate bubble popping. It is expected that concrete and iron bubbles will pop in about 3 months. Once they do, they will quit importing iron and Calcium Silicate (cement). They are about to slow down their buying. And where have they imported the majority from for the last 20 years? Exactly. Once that happens, your unemployment will likely shift from the current 5 to over 10. At that time, you will find out that you have LOADS of illegals. They are ppl that came on a visa, but the visa expired, however, they stayed. And I suspect that once that happens, your citizens will scream to end illegals. BTW, other than Latin Americans, the vast majority of illegals here are on expired visas. Illegal Latin Americans doing labor represents over 85% of illegals. But about 10% which are Indians, Chinese, Europeans, Canadians, Australians, etc. are the expired visa's doing upper end jobs.
BS. America can not afford to outsource everything. It is destroying us. Far far better to automate the low end jobs. As it is, even the illegals are not working those. Less than 5% of all illegals work in Ag. The majority work in Service (restaurants, janitorial, etc) and CONSTRUCTION. How good of pay is in Construction? Well, many of these illegals are under paid at 60K/year. How do they make 60/year? They do not pay taxes. Far better to automate the Ag portions (easier to do than you can believe), much of the service, and even parts of construction. Then not only will we have much lower unemployment (send back all illegals except for those that qualify for dream act; that would give us about 5% unemployment), but we would have less drains on gov. and improved tax collections.
Poppycock. If we send back all of the illegals, then our unemployment will be around 5%. Then we move forward on automation. That is what we did from the mid 1800-1980. Starting in 1980, our nation was gutted by 2 presidents. They encouraged the outsourcing of manufacturing, as well as bringing loads of illegals. Heck, one of the 2 idiots gave amnesty to all of the illegals, but then did NOTHING to prevent future illegals.
We need to modify HR2885 to be a bit stronger, as well as add a modified dream act to it (treat the victims differently from the criminals). Those that were raised here, speak english (i.e. culturally are Americans), are in school, or have a GED or better, and have no legal issues (other than being illegal) and have ZERO association with gangs, should be allowed to earn citizenship after completing all of the previous and doing service for America. HR2885 requires e-verify. Not a total solution, but far far better than what we have. In addition, once all businesses are required to use it, it is VERY effective.
BS. I know LOADS of kids around my area that will be HAPPY to flip burgers and mow lawns. The problem is that many of the fast foods are owned by foreigners and hired loads of hispanics that can not speak any english, and who obviously do not live in this area. IOW, they are racists, so the local kids suffer.
No. Only an idiot would think that. The fact that somebody comes to the west to work says that even below minimum wages, they are making more than they make in other nations. So, that means that costs of goods is STILL TOO EXPENSIVE. To lower the costs, you have to automate. Simply outsourcing will only serve to destroy the west and turn it into looking like Central America or Northern Africa (poor and uneducated).
The fact is that Apollo was one of our greatness. So is Solar PVs. The problem with private space, like solar PV, is that others are cheating. For example, here in America, federal law PROHIBITS the feds from competing against private space. Yet, with Ares and now with the Senate launch system, that is exactly what they are doing. Add to that the fact that China is dumping on the world their heavily subsidized launches, as well as money manipulated system, and it is just digusting.
Now, as to 'Spirit of Solyndra', was it a disaster? Nope. It was profitable. So where was the issue? China was dumping on the market. They are dumping WELL BELOW COSTS. Solyndra SHOULD have had several years of great profits from their plant. It did not happen. Why? All be China dumps heavily. Sadly, O has been like W: do nothing about China's cheating. Thankfully, several weeks ago, Germany, and possibly EU, are screaming about China's illegal actions. So, we joined in on that. BUT, we should have done it 2 years ago. And private space in America is going to have the same issue. It is not just illegal competition from the feds, but from China that is going to cause the real issues.
America, in fact the west, has a serious issue with illegals. However, the west, is by far, the worst. We have neo-cons that encourage illegals to be here working for below prevailing wages, while not paying taxes. Then we have dems leaders that push for amnesty and allowing more illegals in, as long as they get amnesty. That is just plain twisted. Now, why do these illegals come to America (and canada, EU, UK, and Australia)? Because even below minimum wage, they still make more money than what they make in their own nations. The problem is that western levels of goods, count on taxes being paid as well as re-investment in the local economy. As such illegals who work in the nation, but then send the money out of the nation, are just as bad as those that outsource to China who manipulates money, dumps monster amounts of pollution on the planet (in 2015, China will dump more than 50% of all CO2; in 2019 +-, they will have accounted for 1/2 of ALL co2 that man has ever emitted, and that assumed a slower growth path then they are on; worse, it does not include their SO2, mercury, lead, chemical pollutions, etc, etc, etc that are dumped in the Sea of China, The pacific ocean, and in our shared airs). Basically, Illegals are not cheap enough to warrent keeping them here, and the real costs is the damage to western society. Those libs that back giving jobs to illegals because they deserve it are about as stupid as as the neo-cons: they will destroy the west and esp. America, due to lack of thought.
The only real way to save the west, and ultimately, the world, is to automate. In particular, food should be automated. Right now, less than 2% of American labor goes into Ag. One of the bigger issues is that we now import a lot of food. But we increasingly import shrimp from farms in South America and Asia. How bad are these? HORRIBLE. Both use loads of anti-biotics. IN addition, they do it not in isolated ponds, but along the shoreline. THis is some of the most important areas on the earth, and it is being destroyed to send sickly shrimp to the west. Insane.
Likewise, we get loads of food from China. Hell, Nestle is now producing candy in China. SICK. At this time, upper middle class Chinese buy food from USA, Canada, Australia, and EU. Why? Because they know that the good that is coming from China is loaded with mercury, lead, and many other pollutants. And this is happening again, because China is cheating, and companies like Nestle are greedy as all hell.
Ever been on a Chinese commercial fishing boat? I have talked to a fishery person that was working on one to make certain that China was not stealing or mis-labelling. She was telling afterwards that she no longer eats fish unless it is from USA, Canada, EU, UK, or Japan. She tells me that China was the worst. Disgusting conditions.
Robotics will solve a lot of these issues. We can grow our own shrimp here cheaper than importing them. Likewise, the same is true of veggies, fish, etc.
It is time for America, and the west, to take a stand and say enough is enough. We need to quit backing those that pollute and destroy our planet. Time to put a tax on all goods based on pollution from where they come from.
Not really. Russia rarely makes use of new and innovative designs. Instead, this is a simple QA issue.
Seriously, few realize that this is hard work to have successful missions.
That is also why we need to get away from 100% newly developed systems esp. for things like pushing there.
A space tug that provides motion, electricity, even communication, would be a useful item to sell.