LOL. You HAVE to be kidding. It saved many many lives by using those. As it was, Japanese leaders had shown over and over that they had ZERO concern for civilians. They raped and pillage all over the world. They did a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. They were so bad that after the first bomb fell, they were still trying to argue over terms, etc. while attacking us when we told them to surrender. We warned them that we would attack again, unless they surrendered shortly. The leaders CHOOSE to continue the war.
The Japanese leaders were as cowardly as yourself.
Seriously. So what? The chinese gov. is in a COLD WAR WITH THE WEST. They are using economic cheats to win it. The problem is that we have loads of idiots who think that Chinese gov. is friendly to the west. They are about as friendly as Germany was in 1936-39, or USSR was in 1945-1949.
Look, China has spies all over the west stealing technology. WHen they are not stealing, they simply buy and count on presidents like W to allow them to take it out (just one example from W was magnaquench; that allowed China to build decent guidance into their missiles).
O has been trying to get along, but is slowly ratching up issues with China. They need to ratchet it up quicker. In particular, we need to clamp down on their spies. Likewise, we need to take on their money manipulation and other economic treaty breaking. Otherwise, China will win this cold war via economic front.
You are right. BOTH sides are out of whack. What we need is to simplify things, and put on upper limits. We also need a way to ID bad docs and remove them. Sadly, AMA is fighting the later.
Right. They used to feed them the STOVERS, not the corn. There is a DIFFERENCE. Now, the stovers are going to ethanol, however, in day's gone by, we used to allow the horses and cattle to go through the fields feeding, followed by either pigs or goats. The advantage is that this is converted to fertilizer right in the fields where it winters. In addition, it lowers the feed needs. The other thing that can be fed to cattle is the WASTE. Tops, husks, cobs, etc. The corn has been removed.
However, again, this is not feeding the sweet corn to the cattle.
What gets fed to cattle is called feed corn. Totally different than sweet corn. If you ate it, you would know it. Much Much cheaper to grow.
I have argued here and elsewhere that there is a high costs to our legal system. Sadly, just about every liberal screams that it only costs 3%. But the issue is that due to quick ability to sue, docs have adopted protective medicine. Not protection for the patient, but protection against lawsuits. As such, they give a number of antibiotics that we would not do.
However, a big issue is that ag makes propholatic use of antibiotics. That is more true in Asia esp. china, than it is anywhere else.
That is what is about cause a massive lowering of the world population.
Calling you a fool is probably a bit out of line and if so, sorry. Just in a bad mood. However, I dislike seeing ppl speak about stuff that they have NO clue of. Earlier here, you stated that sweet corn was fed to cattle. It is not. Then you state that all of the.99 cent burgers are from cattle that are here. Yet, most of that is from argentina. Then you imply that we sold them that corn, even though they are an exportor. The fact is, that you have ZERO clue of what you are talking about. I mean ZERO.
Now, it has been 30+ years since I worked in restaurants or ag. However, I have worked at monfort's beef and Northern Pumps. I have worked dairy at my uncle's (all back in the 60's and 70's). When I see ppl saying that we feed sweet corn to cattle you OBVIOUSLY do not have a clue of what you talk about. Now, I try to get range-fed because that is what I ate growing up. In addition, it means that the cattle get more exercise so it is better living conditions.
Finally, while I am opposed to how much corn we use here, I will also say that I am not convinced that corn is the root of our evils. I suspect that it has a lot more to do with the bacteria that we have in our gut. As a one time geneticists that worked at CDC (80's), I really suspect that we are looking into the wrong areas. I think that the bugs that intestinal tract has been changed due to overuse of antibiotics due to our issue with doc/legal system. Literally, it is in our water.
You are so right. heck, we have our troops in there hold a rifle to their head telling them that unless they feed that cattle our corn that we will shoot them. Sheesh.
Look, sweet corn is not fed to cattle. Only an fool who knows NOTHING about ag would think that. However, since you will continue to simply spout off, here is who we export to. Look carefully at it. Now, do you realize that Argentina is a corn exporter themselves? They are not as large as the US, but they are up there. So, you are going to continue to claim that we export our sweet corn to Argentina to feed to cattle.
Have you considered being a side kick to Rush Limbaugh? You would make good money.
Do you even read the links that you post? Even better yet, do you think about them? Your first link alone says that you are a total moron (and not just short of one).
You are not very bright. You have made the leap of a study on nukes to implying that this bomb is a nuke. Well, to be honest, in light of China, I wish that it WERE nuclear. But it is not. It is a conventional bomb, nothing more.
I think that you need to take your own advice. NONE of the bombs are nuclear, though I wish it were. The bomb is destined for North Korea, Iran, Burm, and most likely Pakistan. A nuke would be a great deal more effective.
Do you even have a clue that nearly all of the beef in fast food restaurants come from Argentina? I mean that is the ONLY place that sells.99 hamburgers. And sweet corn is not fed to cattle here. It is feed corn that is fed.
Actually, I believe that you would be wrong. IIRC, all of the subsidies are used ONLY for local production that is sold LOCALLY. So, it does not interfere with exports. BUT, what is does is keep out some other nations.
You may find this interesting. War really is hell. Ppl think that the winners were good throughout, but that is rarely the case. That is why we work hard to train our troops and what to expect. I doubt that we have changed the laughter, etc. though. That is a normal reaction.
HOWEVER, after a decade of horror and with what W/Cheney/Rumsfeld having the DOD make our troops sign up over and over, I am not surprised by some of our troops reactions. To be honest, some of this, makes a case for bringing back the draft. When I was in my 20s and we allowed women to go to war, I figured that it would be difficult for us to go to war anymore. Yet, reagan and W have started war after war after war. America has NEVER had so many wars. It shows that we are way too powerful and have not had inflicted the massive losses on our side necessary to stop bad poticians from going to war. At this time, I prefer to vote for ppl that have been to war. And I mean, have really seen it. That is why I liked ppl like Poppa Bush, JFK and Eisenhower. These men actually watched many ppl die. OTH, ppl like reagan and W were simply chicken hawks that think that might makes right.
Believing that good can come from evil is different than saying that an evil person is a hero and should not be prosecuted. And yes, Manning was evil in that his intentions was not to right a wrong, but in working to destroy America. Well, he severely hurt America.
However, as to good that may come from his evil, there is a lot. For starters, I am quite sure that the software security was jumped way up. We in the USA do not take our national security serious anymore (DHS is a joke). That has changed somewhat.
As tot he rest, I will say that we were not angels in WWII (or any war). I have talked to a few troops that saw our side commit atrocities. One dad of an ex-gf told me somethings that I will not repeat here. However, he was changed from it and for what I heard of it, I would be too. And I am not just talking about the killing which the man saw and did a lot of.
As to the laughing and all that, keep in mind, that we are asking these men and women to do a HORRIFIC thing: To go out and kill an enemy who is also a human. As such, we train them to NOT see ppl on the other side of the gun. If we do not do this, then we will lose many many troops. Keep in mind that the other side does this. AQ and Taliban teach their troops that unless you belong to them that you can be killed like a pig. Just look at the torture that AQ was all too happy to video and display. And that was minor compared to what AQ did to those that they captured (it does not get much press, but AQ is very vicious).
Finally, add to that the fact that we do not train our troops to OCCUPY, which is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem with both of those situations, is that W/cheney/rumsfeld made so many errors in their greed of trying to get to Iraq. No, the laughter and all that is normal. Would these ppl be doing this before their training? Nope. Our troops are trained to try and discern the difference between enemy and friendly. The problem becomes when you occupy, the famlies turn into enemies. I mean if somebody was occupying America, I would expect that my wife and I would do the same (not with our kids, but our selves). We have lost a number of troops because AQ/taliban has used these children as weapons. Pretty sick, I would say. However, from their POV, it is easy enough to breed more. And yes, AQ has LITTLE issues with using women and children for their jobs. I have heard that several of the children that blew up might have been OBL's children. So, when you see the videos of our troops with maniacal laughter about killing what is seen as being the enemy, do not be in a hurry to blame them for that. That is a normal response to a horrific situation. If it bothers you, that is understandable. It should. BUT, these men/women are being asked to do a horrible thing, so it must be allowed.
OTH, the one that you SHOULD be upset about are the troop that was found guilty of take war prizes, or rape, or taking ppl out to be beaten and killed, all without orders. NONE OF THAT is in the training. In fact, it goes against ALL OF THE TRAINING that our troops are given. Those kinds of ppl typically have real issues that would have been manifested in a different way back here. BTW, in my mind, Manning fits these later ppl. He was not out to STOP something in the same way that Elsberg was. He was out to inflict as much pain on others.
'Interesting' stuff. More like sad and horrible stuff. It really shows how badly we have decayed. According to wiki, this was being investigated PRIOR to wikileak. Of course, that begs the question, what public knowledge did for punishment? Would this have been swept under the table without public knowledge?
HOWEVER, that changes nothing. What you are saying is in spite of Manning's attempt to hurt America, he is a hero because we found out about this. That is not the case. What Manning did was NOT out of a sense of responsibility, or an attempt to right a wrong. He did it to PUNISH America. My understanding was that even he did not know what he was releasing. He was just grabbing what he could. That makes him a traitor. Nothing more. And he is a really bad one at that. He was caught. Manning will either swing or be shot. And he deserves it. He has put America at risk. Worst of all, He has put our troops at risk.
Compare Manning to Daniel Ellsberg and Russo. Ellsberg/Russo released what they did due to their disgust with what they knew and what they knew to be wrong. It was an attempt to correct a wrong.
Can you tell me that Manning was releasing this information to try and correct the wrongs in those items? Can you tell me that all that was released to Wikileaks was about the wrongs done by USA? If not, then what it says, is that Manning was simply our to hurt America.
First off, Manning by definition is a traitor and not a patriot. He did this as a way to get back at the USA. He openly says that this was not because he differed with all of these items, but that he was mad that Obama was not moving fast enough on DADT, so he wanted to punish us. That is the very definition of treason and being a traitor (which is also why the scum(s) in the white house that outed plame deserves to swing with him).
Think about this. If a man goes out to shoot a president and misses and then kills the man behind the president whom it turns out was also trying to assassinate the president, does that make the first person a hero in your book? That is the EXACT logic that you are using here. It is about INTENTIONS. And Manning's intentions was not to right a wrong, but to punish America. Considering that he is basically a mass murderer, he DESERVES the death penalty. BTW, you will find that I am opposed to the death penalty except for treason.
Secondly, SOME good has come from this. Arab Spring is a direct result of his actions. However, many ppl have paid with their lives over this.
Thirdly, what sex exploit are you talking about? If that was going on and esp. if that was from Americans, then all that were involved in any way (including knowledge, but not taking action), they need to go to prison.
BTW, legalizing pot would do little to stop druglords. The truth is that few of them make their money in pot. Zetas, who are the worst, do not bother with it, so legalizing pot would do NOTHING to stop them.
It has to be ALL drugs that are legalized, heavily regulated to prevent ANY drug lords/gang sourcing (and ideally stop any major drug company from getting into it as well; this would re-build our pharmaceutical and chemical companies). In addition, you have to stop the imports and exports of it.
And you would be wrong. Based on what I have seen, integrating illegals will never happen. We did that once and it caused more issues, not solved things. Sadly, fools like yourself will continue to cause issues because you do not look at history or try for new innovations.
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LOL. You HAVE to be kidding. It saved many many lives by using those. As it was, Japanese leaders had shown over and over that they had ZERO concern for civilians. They raped and pillage all over the world. They did a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor. They were so bad that after the first bomb fell, they were still trying to argue over terms, etc. while attacking us when we told them to surrender. We warned them that we would attack again, unless they surrendered shortly. The leaders CHOOSE to continue the war.
The Japanese leaders were as cowardly as yourself.
Seriously. So what? The chinese gov. is in a COLD WAR WITH THE WEST. They are using economic cheats to win it. The problem is that we have loads of idiots who think that Chinese gov. is friendly to the west. They are about as friendly as Germany was in 1936-39, or USSR was in 1945-1949.
Look, China has spies all over the west stealing technology. WHen they are not stealing, they simply buy and count on presidents like W to allow them to take it out (just one example from W was magnaquench; that allowed China to build decent guidance into their missiles).
O has been trying to get along, but is slowly ratching up issues with China. They need to ratchet it up quicker. In particular, we need to clamp down on their spies. Likewise, we need to take on their money manipulation and other economic treaty breaking. Otherwise, China will win this cold war via economic front.
China thanx USA for showing them where to land.
You are right. BOTH sides are out of whack. What we need is to simplify things, and put on upper limits. We also need a way to ID bad docs and remove them. Sadly, AMA is fighting the later.
Right. They used to feed them the STOVERS, not the corn. There is a DIFFERENCE. Now, the stovers are going to ethanol, however, in day's gone by, we used to allow the horses and cattle to go through the fields feeding, followed by either pigs or goats. The advantage is that this is converted to fertilizer right in the fields where it winters. In addition, it lowers the feed needs. The other thing that can be fed to cattle is the WASTE. Tops, husks, cobs, etc. The corn has been removed. However, again, this is not feeding the sweet corn to the cattle.
What gets fed to cattle is called feed corn. Totally different than sweet corn. If you ate it, you would know it. Much Much cheaper to grow.
I have argued here and elsewhere that there is a high costs to our legal system. Sadly, just about every liberal screams that it only costs 3%. But the issue is that due to quick ability to sue, docs have adopted protective medicine. Not protection for the patient, but protection against lawsuits. As such, they give a number of antibiotics that we would not do.
However, a big issue is that ag makes propholatic use of antibiotics. That is more true in Asia esp. china, than it is anywhere else.
That is what is about cause a massive lowering of the world population.
Calling you a fool is probably a bit out of line and if so, sorry. Just in a bad mood. However, I dislike seeing ppl speak about stuff that they have NO clue of. Earlier here, you stated that sweet corn was fed to cattle. It is not. Then you state that all of the .99 cent burgers are from cattle that are here. Yet, most of that is from argentina. Then you imply that we sold them that corn, even though they are an exportor. The fact is, that you have ZERO clue of what you are talking about. I mean ZERO.
Now, it has been 30+ years since I worked in restaurants or ag. However, I have worked at monfort's beef and Northern Pumps. I have worked dairy at my uncle's (all back in the 60's and 70's). When I see ppl saying that we feed sweet corn to cattle you OBVIOUSLY do not have a clue of what you talk about. Now, I try to get range-fed because that is what I ate growing up. In addition, it means that the cattle get more exercise so it is better living conditions.
Finally, while I am opposed to how much corn we use here, I will also say that I am not convinced that corn is the root of our evils. I suspect that it has a lot more to do with the bacteria that we have in our gut. As a one time geneticists that worked at CDC (80's), I really suspect that we are looking into the wrong areas. I think that the bugs that intestinal tract has been changed due to overuse of antibiotics due to our issue with doc/legal system. Literally, it is in our water.
You are so right. heck, we have our troops in there hold a rifle to their head telling them that unless they feed that cattle our corn that we will shoot them. Sheesh.
Look, sweet corn is not fed to cattle. Only an fool who knows NOTHING about ag would think that. However, since you will continue to simply spout off, here is who we export to. Look carefully at it. Now, do you realize that Argentina is a corn exporter themselves? They are not as large as the US, but they are up there. So, you are going to continue to claim that we export our sweet corn to Argentina to feed to cattle.
Have you considered being a side kick to Rush Limbaugh? You would make good money.
Do you even read the links that you post? Even better yet, do you think about them? Your first link alone says that you are a total moron (and not just short of one).
2) Judging from this and other posts, you're just short of being a moron.
Wrong. He is NOT short of it.
We are not China. We pretty much obey all the treaties that we sign.
You are not very bright. You have made the leap of a study on nukes to implying that this bomb is a nuke. Well, to be honest, in light of China, I wish that it WERE nuclear. But it is not. It is a conventional bomb, nothing more.
That is a bet that I would not want to take. My guess is either pakistan or Iran will be first.
I think that you need to take your own advice. NONE of the bombs are nuclear, though I wish it were. The bomb is destined for North Korea, Iran, Burm, and most likely Pakistan. A nuke would be a great deal more effective.
Do you even have a clue that nearly all of the beef in fast food restaurants come from Argentina? I mean that is the ONLY place that sells .99 hamburgers. And sweet corn is not fed to cattle here. It is feed corn that is fed.
Actually, I believe that you would be wrong. IIRC, all of the subsidies are used ONLY for local production that is sold LOCALLY. So, it does not interfere with exports. BUT, what is does is keep out some other nations.
You may find this interesting. War really is hell. Ppl think that the winners were good throughout, but that is rarely the case. That is why we work hard to train our troops and what to expect. I doubt that we have changed the laughter, etc. though. That is a normal reaction.
HOWEVER, after a decade of horror and with what W/Cheney/Rumsfeld having the DOD make our troops sign up over and over, I am not surprised by some of our troops reactions. To be honest, some of this, makes a case for bringing back the draft. When I was in my 20s and we allowed women to go to war, I figured that it would be difficult for us to go to war anymore. Yet, reagan and W have started war after war after war. America has NEVER had so many wars. It shows that we are way too powerful and have not had inflicted the massive losses on our side necessary to stop bad poticians from going to war. At this time, I prefer to vote for ppl that have been to war. And I mean, have really seen it. That is why I liked ppl like Poppa Bush, JFK and Eisenhower. These men actually watched many ppl die. OTH, ppl like reagan and W were simply chicken hawks that think that might makes right.
Believing that good can come from evil is different than saying that an evil person is a hero and should not be prosecuted. And yes, Manning was evil in that his intentions was not to right a wrong, but in working to destroy America. Well, he severely hurt America. However, as to good that may come from his evil, there is a lot. For starters, I am quite sure that the software security was jumped way up. We in the USA do not take our national security serious anymore (DHS is a joke). That has changed somewhat.
As tot he rest, I will say that we were not angels in WWII (or any war). I have talked to a few troops that saw our side commit atrocities. One dad of an ex-gf told me somethings that I will not repeat here. However, he was changed from it and for what I heard of it, I would be too. And I am not just talking about the killing which the man saw and did a lot of.
As to the laughing and all that, keep in mind, that we are asking these men and women to do a HORRIFIC thing: To go out and kill an enemy who is also a human. As such, we train them to NOT see ppl on the other side of the gun. If we do not do this, then we will lose many many troops. Keep in mind that the other side does this. AQ and Taliban teach their troops that unless you belong to them that you can be killed like a pig. Just look at the torture that AQ was all too happy to video and display. And that was minor compared to what AQ did to those that they captured (it does not get much press, but AQ is very vicious).
Finally, add to that the fact that we do not train our troops to OCCUPY, which is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem with both of those situations, is that W/cheney/rumsfeld made so many errors in their greed of trying to get to Iraq. No, the laughter and all that is normal. Would these ppl be doing this before their training? Nope. Our troops are trained to try and discern the difference between enemy and friendly. The problem becomes when you occupy, the famlies turn into enemies. I mean if somebody was occupying America, I would expect that my wife and I would do the same (not with our kids, but our selves). We have lost a number of troops because AQ/taliban has used these children as weapons. Pretty sick, I would say. However, from their POV, it is easy enough to breed more. And yes, AQ has LITTLE issues with using women and children for their jobs. I have heard that several of the children that blew up might have been OBL's children. So, when you see the videos of our troops with maniacal laughter about killing what is seen as being the enemy, do not be in a hurry to blame them for that. That is a normal response to a horrific situation. If it bothers you, that is understandable. It should. BUT, these men/women are being asked to do a horrible thing, so it must be allowed.
OTH, the one that you SHOULD be upset about are the troop that was found guilty of take war prizes, or rape, or taking ppl out to be beaten and killed, all without orders. NONE OF THAT is in the training. In fact, it goes against ALL OF THE TRAINING that our troops are given. Those kinds of ppl typically have real issues that would have been manifested in a different way back here. BTW, in my mind, Manning fits these later ppl. He was not out to STOP something in the same way that Elsberg was. He was out to inflict as much pain on others.
EXACTLY. And harvesting is also easy.
'Interesting' stuff. More like sad and horrible stuff. It really shows how badly we have decayed. According to wiki, this was being investigated PRIOR to wikileak. Of course, that begs the question, what public knowledge did for punishment? Would this have been swept under the table without public knowledge?
HOWEVER, that changes nothing. What you are saying is in spite of Manning's attempt to hurt America, he is a hero because we found out about this. That is not the case. What Manning did was NOT out of a sense of responsibility, or an attempt to right a wrong. He did it to PUNISH America. My understanding was that even he did not know what he was releasing. He was just grabbing what he could. That makes him a traitor. Nothing more. And he is a really bad one at that. He was caught. Manning will either swing or be shot. And he deserves it. He has put America at risk. Worst of all, He has put our troops at risk.
Compare Manning to Daniel Ellsberg and Russo. Ellsberg/Russo released what they did due to their disgust with what they knew and what they knew to be wrong. It was an attempt to correct a wrong.
Can you tell me that Manning was releasing this information to try and correct the wrongs in those items? Can you tell me that all that was released to Wikileaks was about the wrongs done by USA? If not, then what it says, is that Manning was simply our to hurt America.
First off, Manning by definition is a traitor and not a patriot. He did this as a way to get back at the USA. He openly says that this was not because he differed with all of these items, but that he was mad that Obama was not moving fast enough on DADT, so he wanted to punish us. That is the very definition of treason and being a traitor (which is also why the scum(s) in the white house that outed plame deserves to swing with him).
Think about this. If a man goes out to shoot a president and misses and then kills the man behind the president whom it turns out was also trying to assassinate the president, does that make the first person a hero in your book? That is the EXACT logic that you are using here. It is about INTENTIONS. And Manning's intentions was not to right a wrong, but to punish America. Considering that he is basically a mass murderer, he DESERVES the death penalty. BTW, you will find that I am opposed to the death penalty except for treason.
Secondly, SOME good has come from this. Arab Spring is a direct result of his actions. However, many ppl have paid with their lives over this.
Thirdly, what sex exploit are you talking about? If that was going on and esp. if that was from Americans, then all that were involved in any way (including knowledge, but not taking action), they need to go to prison.
Create a fake site on facebook and give that to these idiots.
BTW, legalizing pot would do little to stop druglords. The truth is that few of them make their money in pot. Zetas, who are the worst, do not bother with it, so legalizing pot would do NOTHING to stop them.
It has to be ALL drugs that are legalized, heavily regulated to prevent ANY drug lords/gang sourcing (and ideally stop any major drug company from getting into it as well; this would re-build our pharmaceutical and chemical companies). In addition, you have to stop the imports and exports of it.
You are correct that I know nothing about gangs. However, I do know illegals personally. And none of them live around gangs.
And you would be wrong. Based on what I have seen, integrating illegals will never happen. We did that once and it caused more issues, not solved things. Sadly, fools like yourself will continue to cause issues because you do not look at history or try for new innovations.