I have to say that I really hope that the tea party followers do just that. The truth is, that the followers want is dead on the money. The problem is that the leaders, like the neo-cons, are criminal assholes that are simply using these ppl. But America (if not the west) needs the tea party's words, just not the actions of their leaders.
we now have 'real' money, but from fake printing presses. Basically, this virtual money is not any better than physical money. Same set of issues, only not backed.
Hold your horse. I said that I see your point about the victim and others about the possibility that they would cave.
I would give it to the victim, and defense lawyer, but to the DA and the police? Nope.
For example, in Mass, had you done that, then you would be in EXACTLY this situation. They would be able to sue you, and stop the others from outing it, thereby preventing the video from showing up. However, by giving it to the victim, you give them the option of how to use it. That way, they can decide what is it is worth to them. They may decide to use it to cut a deal and get off on other issues. OTH, they may decide that they oppose bad cops and decide to use it before the trial, or even after. Regardless, it impowers the victims to handle this the way that they want to, rather than allow the law to bully them as bad or worse than what the original crime was.
The fact is, that if I were given it, I would fight in court, allow the cop and any others to lie and then after a verdict (regardless of guilty or innocent) put it out for all to see. And yes, I would push for my sentance to be commuted. Tim Masters of Ft. Fun is probably going to get his sentence commuted. Likewise, he got 10 million dollars. Sadly, the 2 prosecutors walked away with nice pensions and everything and NOTHING happened to them because ken buck decided to allow the clock to run out. Likewise, the cop is facing a minor issues, and will likely retire at age 60 this year, with no charges, etc.. With so many corruption not being righted correctly, it is actually an encouragement to more cops/prosecutors/pols to do as they see fit. If they suddenly start getting caught and doing hard time in hard places and losing EVERYTHING that they own, then others will decide that it is NOT worth it.
But I agree with you now, that it should be the victim that decides how to use this, not an outsider like me.
Great post. I think that sums up what happened in one part of this.
I have to say, that we need to quit interfering in govs. Allow ppl to decide their own. Sadly, all too often, our top ppl just have to create chaos through the world, of which the blowback is severe. Personally, I would rather us do 'nation building' in which we help a nation via commerce and simple help, and not a gov.
well aware of it. Well aware of the fact that SK, Burma, Iran, venezuela and presumably more friends of china are showing up with nukes. I am also certain that allowing this situation to continue will lead to the usage of their nukes.
Odd. I do not recall saying government. I said that pakistan is hiding them. And we have strong evidence that many within the Pakistani military/Intel are working with LET and others, including AQ. They appear to make use of these ppl to attack India , and others that they want to get their attention. For example, I would not be surprised to find out that the PakInt has ordered some of the attacks in China. China gets mad at these ppl and knows it is connected to Pakistan, but then assumes that PakInt can tone them down. So, they make deals and everybody walks away happy.
I would agree that most of these ppl in the FATA just want to live their lives and do not want to interfere with others. It is their leaders that push this. However, until you start holding all accountable, then it will not end. They will continue to attack in India, China, Afghanistan, Europe, America, etc. BTW, at the same time, we need to focus on helping these ppl. SO many speak of being against nation building, when I would argue that real nation building is exactly what the region needs. We just need to quite imposing our idea of a gov. on others. But we can help them to build up farms, businesses, etc within their context of a gov.
ppl in rags? The terrorists are hiding in caves. The others are guarding them. Drop a couple of MOABS and all of this ends. And BTW, looking at the pix of OBL's facility, I would say that many of the top ppl within AQ live quite nicely.
Actually, the grammar had more to do with working on some other things and not paying attention.
Actually, I do not confuse one with the other. The problem is, that many of the top ppl in the tea* are actually from the neo-cons. Worse, they employ the same mechanism of preaching one thing, but quietly pushing another.
For example, the push a balanced budget. GREAT. But have you actually seen what they are pushing? Their 'Balanced Budget Amendment' has a lot more to do with limiting taxes, and far less to do with a BBA. Likewise, when doing this recent Deficit ceiling garbage, Obama/Boehner had a 4 trillion reduction. It was $1 tax for every $4 cut in spending. Great formula. And supposedly, it was going to be followed by a rewrite of our taxes (which is in DIRE need). Yet, it was the tea* that came in shot it down and then pushed for a 1 trillion cuts all in HHS. That would not begin to balance the budget. IOW, this was not about balancing our budget, but about holding our nation hostage.
And I know that you have seen them on the space world. So far, most of the top TEA* speak out for private space, but all of their votes go to supporting SLS. Even the tea in space site pushes SLS, while accusing Obama and others of not supporting private space. Total BS.
Likewise, the tea* make a big todo about illegals. Great. I agree. If we solve the illegal issue, then within one year, we will see unemployment drop, taxes increase and resource use drop. However, have they put forward a bill? Nope. Not a thing.
The tea* leaders are nothing more than neo-cons with a new name. That does not mean that tea* member are. In fact, that is why I live their moniker with a wild card. I have not made up my mind about them. If the followers can push their leaders into doing the right thing, great. But at this time, their leaders ARE criminal.
The reason is that America and the west are giving away their economy. Here in America, even pols count on the gov to do things, rather than the gov. helping the citizens to do things. We used to care about having schools, infrastructure, even top vaccines. But we also had the BUSINESS to do this. Not any more. So now, ppl do not have access to the resources to be able to dream big. Unless we restart manufacturing and our economies, then we lose the ability to have big dreams.
And who was the gov in front of that? What that is Blagojevich's cell mate Ryan (R). Blago DID try to sell a seat. OTH, Ryan took bribes to give out TRUCK DRIVING LICENSES. Ppl DIED from this. Ryan had a host of other criminals, but they were ignored. This one lead to MURDER.
I am not a dem, not do I like them. I think that are absolutely worthless. Not as corrupt, but not as likely to come up with innovative solutions, etc. SO, worthless. Even now, neither party has done a damn thing about our economy, illegals, wars, etc. Both major parties are worthless. If somebody like Paul gets again, I might vote for him again.
Hmmm. out of everything here, good point. I will say that I have seen how justice works and it DOES sux. I was falsely accused of stealing gas, when I had not done (even went in and gave the cashier money, but I did not get a receipt ). The real issue is that the cop LIED multiple times. I Had to appeal, cut a deal and then after a year, charges dropped. Sadly, that was how things were done in Corrupt Ft. Collins. BUT, I also know that had this been recorded, I would have gladly suffered the first part, to then have the video put out and bust the cop and prove my innocence and have the cop fired. Of course, back in 1983, we did not have too many small or cheap video cameras.
The prosecution BACKS the cops. Until you take out the cops that lie and support the corrupt cops, NOTHING will change. ANd a cop that lies on the stand is just as bad as the original cop.
Hmmm. Look up death penality and find out what state executes the most. Look up tim masters in Fort Collins, Co and see what a bunch of neo-cons did. Then look up what happened to the prosecutors when neo-con/tea* ken buck was called in to deal with charges against them. I worked as am EMT in Fort Collins (a very republican town) and can tell you that I witnessed loads of cops lie, beat up ppl etc. Ah hell, if you go to Fort COllins, Colorado, look up Earnie Telez (another 'good' republican). Ah hell, look up Larry Carillo the head of the republican party in Larimer COunty. Google for Bill Owens, tom tancredo here in Colorado.
BTW, I am a registered Libertarian, and voted that way for over 15 years until W ran (I was going to vote for gore/most of other was libertarian, but did not get to vote). Likewise, I voted against W again in 2004 since I KNEW that he was corrupt (oddly, I worked for the gov under reagan and W and found out how corrupt those two really were. ; to be fair, I heard others with long records in these same positions say that clinton and poppa were no different; though all said that carter was not corrupt; just inept in their opinion ).
Look, When you are at the heart of it witnessing the corruption, THEN you might understand that the sentence is NOT the distressing part, but the GD action by CORRUPT POLITICIANS, DA/Prosecution/Police. ANd yes, it is MANY MORE REPUBLICANS than dems.
DO you think that those privacy laws are what lead to corruption? You are kidding, right? How many pols are on the take? In general, which ones are they? They are mostly REPUBLICANS (to be fair, they are neo-cons; though you can find dems and some republicans as well).
NO. Big mistake. Let the courts convict the man, but follow the case CLOSELY.
It is not just that a cop commits a crime. It is all the ones around that person who will lie FOR THEM that is just as much, if not worse. I have little doubt that when given a chance, many cops will lie to protect their friend. WIth this approach, you take down all of these cops. The victim will be righted, and more importantly, will be to sue these cops, and the municipality that did this for lying.
Look, our problem today is that we are turning into a corrupt nation. We did not use to be. We really were one of the good guys. But for the last 30 years, we have become a corrupt nation. Our cops are no better than Nixon, reagan, Clinton, and W, who are all criminal (reagan multiple times over). Any cop that lies on the stand is just as bad as the one that is thumping somebody. So, if you allow 4 cops top lie to support their buddy, then all 5 will be gone. At the least, that can be used in future trials against them to show that they are corrupted cops. Pretty much destroys those ppl.
If you film somebody being beaten, then wait until after the trial and the cop(s) has/have testified. THEN release it ANONYMOUSLY to the press. Quit telling police who to go after. Here in America we have the corrupt neo-cons/tea*, the corrupt DAs and the corrupt police that support these kinds of actions. Most importantly, that gets not just the beating but the lying under oath that the perp AND the supporting police will do.
It is time to take back our nation from these bastards. Out them, but do not give them a target. BTW, assume that the corrupt DA and police union disallow those films. That is ok. The victim can still sue the cop CIVILLY and get the bastards pensions. Do a few of those and watch how quickly cops change their attitude.
There is nothing speculative about it. Lets assume for a second that NOBODY knew about OBL (yeah, right). It is well known that they are in FATA, but it was LET that attacked in mumbai with help of the paki military.
All sorts of proof of the above. In addition, we CONSTANTLY kill terrorists all over pakistan via bombs. At this point, I think that we should drop a few MOABs on various places of FATA. We know a number of the caves. Drop these in, and simply take them out. Issue solved.
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That is interesting. It is actually decently forward balancing during the run and even when the mat slipped a bit it kept going.
I have to say that I really hope that the tea party followers do just that. The truth is, that the followers want is dead on the money. The problem is that the leaders, like the neo-cons, are criminal assholes that are simply using these ppl. But America (if not the west) needs the tea party's words, just not the actions of their leaders.
They only have so many pigeon holes (n) which is less than the population (m), which leads to some being shared. This was just the principle of it.
I can understand why it took 10 hours to take the collar off that gal. Made a lot of sense to me.
we now have 'real' money, but from fake printing presses. Basically, this virtual money is not any better than physical money. Same set of issues, only not backed.
Hold your horse. I said that I see your point about the victim and others about the possibility that they would cave. I would give it to the victim, and defense lawyer, but to the DA and the police? Nope.
For example, in Mass, had you done that, then you would be in EXACTLY this situation. They would be able to sue you, and stop the others from outing it, thereby preventing the video from showing up. However, by giving it to the victim, you give them the option of how to use it. That way, they can decide what is it is worth to them. They may decide to use it to cut a deal and get off on other issues. OTH, they may decide that they oppose bad cops and decide to use it before the trial, or even after. Regardless, it impowers the victims to handle this the way that they want to, rather than allow the law to bully them as bad or worse than what the original crime was.
The fact is, that if I were given it, I would fight in court, allow the cop and any others to lie and then after a verdict (regardless of guilty or innocent) put it out for all to see. And yes, I would push for my sentance to be commuted. Tim Masters of Ft. Fun is probably going to get his sentence commuted. Likewise, he got 10 million dollars. Sadly, the 2 prosecutors walked away with nice pensions and everything and NOTHING happened to them because ken buck decided to allow the clock to run out. Likewise, the cop is facing a minor issues, and will likely retire at age 60 this year, with no charges, etc.. With so many corruption not being righted correctly, it is actually an encouragement to more cops/prosecutors/pols to do as they see fit. If they suddenly start getting caught and doing hard time in hard places and losing EVERYTHING that they own, then others will decide that it is NOT worth it.
But I agree with you now, that it should be the victim that decides how to use this, not an outsider like me.
??? India split itself. Nothing to give back. Nor is it our place to interfere in that.
Great post. I think that sums up what happened in one part of this.
I have to say, that we need to quit interfering in govs. Allow ppl to decide their own. Sadly, all too often, our top ppl just have to create chaos through the world, of which the blowback is severe. Personally, I would rather us do 'nation building' in which we help a nation via commerce and simple help, and not a gov.
well aware of it. Well aware of the fact that SK, Burma, Iran, venezuela and presumably more friends of china are showing up with nukes. I am also certain that allowing this situation to continue will lead to the usage of their nukes.
Odd. I do not recall saying government. I said that pakistan is hiding them. And we have strong evidence that many within the Pakistani military/Intel are working with LET and others, including AQ. They appear to make use of these ppl to attack India , and others that they want to get their attention. For example, I would not be surprised to find out that the PakInt has ordered some of the attacks in China. China gets mad at these ppl and knows it is connected to Pakistan, but then assumes that PakInt can tone them down. So, they make deals and everybody walks away happy.
I would agree that most of these ppl in the FATA just want to live their lives and do not want to interfere with others. It is their leaders that push this. However, until you start holding all accountable, then it will not end. They will continue to attack in India, China, Afghanistan, Europe, America, etc. BTW, at the same time, we need to focus on helping these ppl. SO many speak of being against nation building, when I would argue that real nation building is exactly what the region needs. We just need to quite imposing our idea of a gov. on others. But we can help them to build up farms, businesses, etc within their context of a gov.
ppl in rags? The terrorists are hiding in caves. The others are guarding them. Drop a couple of MOABS and all of this ends. And BTW, looking at the pix of OBL's facility, I would say that many of the top ppl within AQ live quite nicely.
Like I have said elsewhere, we used to be the good guys. We upheld the ideal. Now, .....
Actually, the grammar had more to do with working on some other things and not paying attention.
Actually, I do not confuse one with the other. The problem is, that many of the top ppl in the tea* are actually from the neo-cons. Worse, they employ the same mechanism of preaching one thing, but quietly pushing another.
For example, the push a balanced budget. GREAT. But have you actually seen what they are pushing? Their 'Balanced Budget Amendment' has a lot more to do with limiting taxes, and far less to do with a BBA. Likewise, when doing this recent Deficit ceiling garbage, Obama/Boehner had a 4 trillion reduction. It was $1 tax for every $4 cut in spending. Great formula. And supposedly, it was going to be followed by a rewrite of our taxes (which is in DIRE need). Yet, it was the tea* that came in shot it down and then pushed for a 1 trillion cuts all in HHS. That would not begin to balance the budget. IOW, this was not about balancing our budget, but about holding our nation hostage.
And I know that you have seen them on the space world. So far, most of the top TEA* speak out for private space, but all of their votes go to supporting SLS. Even the tea in space site pushes SLS, while accusing Obama and others of not supporting private space. Total BS.
Likewise, the tea* make a big todo about illegals. Great. I agree. If we solve the illegal issue, then within one year, we will see unemployment drop, taxes increase and resource use drop. However, have they put forward a bill? Nope. Not a thing.
The tea* leaders are nothing more than neo-cons with a new name. That does not mean that tea* member are. In fact, that is why I live their moniker with a wild card. I have not made up my mind about them. If the followers can push their leaders into doing the right thing, great. But at this time, their leaders ARE criminal.
The reason is that America and the west are giving away their economy. Here in America, even pols count on the gov to do things, rather than the gov. helping the citizens to do things. We used to care about having schools, infrastructure, even top vaccines. But we also had the BUSINESS to do this. Not any more. So now, ppl do not have access to the resources to be able to dream big. Unless we restart manufacturing and our economies, then we lose the ability to have big dreams.
It this was not my OP, I would have modded you up. We have far too many corrupt ppl running around.
And who was the gov in front of that? What that is Blagojevich's cell mate Ryan (R). Blago DID try to sell a seat. OTH, Ryan took bribes to give out TRUCK DRIVING LICENSES. Ppl DIED from this. Ryan had a host of other criminals, but they were ignored. This one lead to MURDER.
I am not a dem, not do I like them. I think that are absolutely worthless. Not as corrupt, but not as likely to come up with innovative solutions, etc. SO, worthless. Even now, neither party has done a damn thing about our economy, illegals, wars, etc. Both major parties are worthless. If somebody like Paul gets again, I might vote for him again.
Hmmm. out of everything here, good point. I will say that I have seen how justice works and it DOES sux. I was falsely accused of stealing gas, when I had not done (even went in and gave the cashier money, but I did not get a receipt ). The real issue is that the cop LIED multiple times. I Had to appeal, cut a deal and then after a year, charges dropped. Sadly, that was how things were done in Corrupt Ft. Collins. BUT, I also know that had this been recorded, I would have gladly suffered the first part, to then have the video put out and bust the cop and prove my innocence and have the cop fired. Of course, back in 1983, we did not have too many small or cheap video cameras.
The prosecution BACKS the cops. Until you take out the cops that lie and support the corrupt cops, NOTHING will change. ANd a cop that lies on the stand is just as bad as the original cop.
Hmmm. Look up death penality and find out what state executes the most. Look up tim masters in Fort Collins, Co and see what a bunch of neo-cons did. Then look up what happened to the prosecutors when neo-con/tea* ken buck was called in to deal with charges against them. I worked as am EMT in Fort Collins (a very republican town) and can tell you that I witnessed loads of cops lie, beat up ppl etc. Ah hell, if you go to Fort COllins, Colorado, look up Earnie Telez (another 'good' republican). Ah hell, look up Larry Carillo the head of the republican party in Larimer COunty. Google for Bill Owens, tom tancredo here in Colorado.
BTW, I am a registered Libertarian, and voted that way for over 15 years until W ran (I was going to vote for gore/most of other was libertarian, but did not get to vote). Likewise, I voted against W again in 2004 since I KNEW that he was corrupt (oddly, I worked for the gov under reagan and W and found out how corrupt those two really were. ; to be fair, I heard others with long records in these same positions say that clinton and poppa were no different; though all said that carter was not corrupt; just inept in their opinion ).
Look, When you are at the heart of it witnessing the corruption, THEN you might understand that the sentence is NOT the distressing part, but the GD action by CORRUPT POLITICIANS, DA/Prosecution/Police. ANd yes, it is MANY MORE REPUBLICANS than dems.
I am a registered Libertarian. However, the bulk of the corruption remains with neo-cons.
DO you think that those privacy laws are what lead to corruption? You are kidding, right? How many pols are on the take? In general, which ones are they? They are mostly REPUBLICANS (to be fair, they are neo-cons; though you can find dems and some republicans as well).
But most corruption of politicians are republicans, not dems (too stupid or too honest? Take your pick).
NO. Big mistake.
Let the courts convict the man, but follow the case CLOSELY.
It is not just that a cop commits a crime. It is all the ones around that person who will lie FOR THEM that is just as much, if not worse. I have little doubt that when given a chance, many cops will lie to protect their friend. WIth this approach, you take down all of these cops. The victim will be righted, and more importantly, will be to sue these cops, and the municipality that did this for lying.
Look, our problem today is that we are turning into a corrupt nation. We did not use to be. We really were one of the good guys. But for the last 30 years, we have become a corrupt nation. Our cops are no better than Nixon, reagan, Clinton, and W, who are all criminal (reagan multiple times over). Any cop that lies on the stand is just as bad as the one that is thumping somebody. So, if you allow 4 cops top lie to support their buddy, then all 5 will be gone. At the least, that can be used in future trials against them to show that they are corrupted cops. Pretty much destroys those ppl.
If you film somebody being beaten, then wait until after the trial and the cop(s) has/have testified. THEN release it ANONYMOUSLY to the press. Quit telling police who to go after. Here in America we have the corrupt neo-cons/tea*, the corrupt DAs and the corrupt police that support these kinds of actions. Most importantly, that gets not just the beating but the lying under oath that the perp AND the supporting police will do.
It is time to take back our nation from these bastards. Out them, but do not give them a target. BTW, assume that the corrupt DA and police union disallow those films. That is ok. The victim can still sue the cop CIVILLY and get the bastards pensions. Do a few of those and watch how quickly cops change their attitude.
There is nothing speculative about it. Lets assume for a second that NOBODY knew about OBL (yeah, right). It is well known that they are in FATA, but it was LET that attacked in mumbai with help of the paki military. All sorts of proof of the above. In addition, we CONSTANTLY kill terrorists all over pakistan via bombs. At this point, I think that we should drop a few MOABs on various places of FATA. We know a number of the caves. Drop these in, and simply take them out. Issue solved.