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Collar-Bomber Tracked By Gmail Accesses

RockDoctor writes "Reports indicate that a suspect has been arrested in the Australian 'collar bomb' hostage/extortion case. The allegation is that the suspect had set up a Gmail account, through which he (allegedly) planned to communicate with the extortion victims and arrange delivery of the payment. Unfortunately for him, records were kept showing the location and time the account was set up, and also for a number of accesses. This information, combined with 'CCTV footage and motor vehicle records,' allowed the police to put an identity to the suspect, and arrange for his arrest. So, if you're planning an extortion scheme, don't drive your car to the internet cafe, don't set up the account from an airport, wear anonymous clothes (like Jason Bourne does?) and do all your accesses through hacked shell accounts somewhere in Outer Mongolia. But, this being Slashdot, everyone knew that already."

119 comments

  1. Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't do anything illegal.

    1. Re:Best advice not to get caught by dwarfsoft · · Score: 1

      If he really wanted to get away with it he should have been behind 7 proxies.

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    2. Re:Best advice not to get caught by dohzer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tell that to the people who get wrongly jailed.

    3. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being over 30 myself, I only learned recently that the suggested number of proxies is now no less than 9.

      Please update your scripts.

      Thank you....

    4. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Z00L00K · · Score: 4, Informative

      Always work through people's unsecured access points.

      A proxy node that has wireless access through an unsecured AP in one part of the world allows you to access it from another part of the world, and having a proxy set up inside a major company network can be a benefit too. And use TOR too just to make things even trickier.

      Then access the entry AP from a long distance away using a Cantenna.

      Of course - all data traffic needs to be encrypted except for the last hop. Add random time delays in the proxies to mess with data correlation too. Mail enters proxy, waits for a few minutes up to an hour and then bounce to the next proxy to finally arrive at destination. Patience is a virtue.

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    5. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of this is for educational purposes only of course....

    6. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even reading downloaded e-books may be illegal in your country.

    7. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, back on the subject of a guy who extorts money by terrorizing women ...

    8. Re:Best advice not to get caught by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      Fantastic, common sense (and moral) advice. However, while one can intend to do nothing illegal, it becomes increasingly difficult with the proliferation of laws in today's society coupled with eroding privacy. So, while unfortunately not fool proof, the best strategy, then, is to try to live a good life, but recognize that if some government official with law enforcement powers (or influence over same) were so motivated, s/he could go after you on something. Therefore, the best strategy becomes, "try to live a good life, and keep your head down."

    9. Re:Best advice not to get caught by sorak · · Score: 2

      Don't do anything illegal.

      I'm sorry. That response is only appropriate in cases in which someone is falsely accused. Blaming the victim when it's actually his fault is a radical new twist on that argument.

    10. Re:Best advice not to get caught by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      One more good reason to never leave your access points unsecured.

    11. Re:Best advice not to get caught by mfh · · Score: 1

      He could have used one proxy service and been fine. More proof that crime doesn't pay, unless you are a _real_ criminal. LOOK AT WALL STREET!

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    12. Re:Best advice not to get caught by mfh · · Score: 1

      Of course!! He's learning how to get rich!

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    13. Re:Best advice not to get caught by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      How slow/unstable is your internet connection? Why not just use RFC 1149 and use a CAT proxy? It is much simpler and there is no forensic evidence after a few hours.

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    14. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Can we get a new RFC that officially declares all internet users MUST stop referencing RFC 1149 since it stopped being funny 15 years ago?

    15. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're already a criminal. With thousands of laws passed every year, you don't have a clue what you're up against.

      All is that is needed is for you to stop cowering like a good little sheep for a few seconds, and make the ruling class uncomfortable, be it the local home owners association, a businessman with connections to the city council, to some federal worker, or any of the thousands of politicians, some bootlicker somewhere has your number.

    16. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him" - Cardinal Richelieu

      Keeping your head down is not an option, and never was.

    17. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      No, I'd say that you should use RFC 6214 instead.

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    18. Re:Best advice not to get caught by lexsird · · Score: 1

      Look, if criminals were smart enough to be good criminals, they wouldn't be criminals to begin with, they would do something else. Right?

      Here's to hoping.

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    19. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Nehmo · · Score: 1

      Don't do anything illegal.

      Of course, you mistakenly posted as anon.

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    20. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Thansal · · Score: 1

      Tell that to the people who get wrongly jailed.

      Well, those people didn't get CAUGHT, now did they?

      If you want to avoid being wrongly accused/jailed I think your only real option is prayer, as there are no real preventative measures for something you aren't related to.

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    21. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It helps not to hang out with a bad crowd. Criminals find new victims through acquaintances all the time and the acquaintance isn't always privy to the criminal activity (eg: "Dude, I went to this guy's house for a party last Saturday. He's got a sweet ride!" Few days later, the car has been stolen). Happens all the time. On the one hand, it's often enough that the cops know that the middle guy doesn't always know his friend is a crook, on the other, who wants to take that risk? Besides, it's never good to have the cops associate you with a criminal.

    22. Re:Best advice not to get caught by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Ok, but even with all that.

      HOW would someone ever be able to collect the money and not get caught? I mean...at some point, you pretty much HAVE to touch the money to get it.

      Electronic is pretty much out of it...they'd get you on one end, and there's no numbered swiss accounts anymore that are 100% private and anonymous.

      That leaves cash...and you have to pick it up somehow, someday somewhere in order to enjoy it. Any worthwhile ransom is gonna be a bulky amount of $$$...not to mention, traceable....

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    23. Re:Best advice not to get caught by schlachter · · Score: 1

      sometimes completely reasonable things to do are considered illegal by one's government.

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    24. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, you are suggesting I fly under the radar and not violate any law irregardless of the locale where I happen to be...while your advice is certainly true, it can lead to a pretty poor life in some locations.

    25. Re:Best advice not to get caught by amiga500 · · Score: 1

      But, this being Slashdot, everyone knows that already.

    26. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Psshhh, be reasonable here!

    27. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Ced_Ex · · Score: 1

      Have them put the unmarked bills into a waterproof duffel bag. Have them put the said duffel bag into a small airplane with a route flying over very inhospitable country. As they fly the route, you are on the ground and radio them to toss it out of the plane with a parachute. Collect bag and make your escape, or hide the bag and come back for it later.

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    28. Re:Best advice not to get caught by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, this is slashdot. Of course the answer is going to be BTC!

    29. Re:Best advice not to get caught by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      Or better yet, seven boxxies.

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    30. Re:Best advice not to get caught by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Have them put the said duffel bag into a small airplane with a route flying over very inhospitable country.

      You've missed out the necessary step of them finding a suitably qualified pilot who is willing to do the job. Note that you've specified a very inhospitable country (I suspect you mean more in a political sense than a physical access sense, which I look at later), so you're not going to get 3-way intergovernmental cooperation (extorter's government, extortee's and "inhospitable"). That rules out police/ military or "disciplined services". I.e., you've got to persuade a civilian pilot in an inhospitable country on a very short time frame. Good luck with that. An extorter who asks for something impossible (like delivery involving faster-than-light travel) won't get paid.

      As they fly the route, you are on the ground and radio them to toss it out of the plane with a parachute. Collect bag and make your escape,

      You being on the ground sort-of rules out you being in a physically inaccessible location, but instead a politically inhospitable location. Which is going to complicate the "make your escape" step.

      Given an extorter who's an American (allegedly), an extortee family who're Australians, who would you think is politically hostile enough to both nationalities to cooperate in this sort of scheme? That's a much more difficult problem than if it was an American-American or Australian-Australian case. Which is one of the factors that amused me about the stupidity of the case.

      [The obvious difficulty of getting the bomb-disposal officer's head out of the poor girls cleavage also tickled my sense of humour.]

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    31. Re:Best advice not to get caught by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Change your government, or if you don't like getting involved in politics, change your country. Oh, sorry, you wanted a difficult solution to your problem? Can't help you there.

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  2. gmail? by js3 · · Score: 1

    He probably would have gotten away with it if he didn't use gmail.

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    1. Re:gmail? by Arancaytar · · Score: 5, Funny

      if it weren't for that meddling Google!

      fixed

    2. Re:gmail? by macterminalserver · · Score: 1

      conclusion: do not use free email accounts

    3. Re:gmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He probably would have gotten away with it if he didn't use gmail.

      He probably would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.

    4. Re:gmail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      conclusion: do not use free email accounts

      Because accounts you have to pay for would be untraceable?!? Take a moment to think about that.

    5. Re:gmail? by gtch · · Score: 2

      Someone set up a madeleinepulver.com site plastered with advertising, including Google ads of course.

      Yet curiously it was a competing ad network which placed the advertisement "Live in the USA!" on top of photos of Madeleine Pulver, not Google. With all the data in gmail about this guy moving to the USA, surely Google should have been placing that ad?

      PS. Site is now down, screenshot at http://i54.tinypic.com/2ducdvn.png

    6. Re:gmail? by gijoel · · Score: 1

      Why do I have an image of Sergey Brin and Larry Page being cased through a hallway full of doors by a guy in a rubber mask.

  3. PITA by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

    Finding a shell account in outer Mongolia is more work than it is worth. What are you going to get from an extortion gig? A couple mil? You couldn't drag me to outer Mongolia for less than 10. Well. Unless the alternative was inner Australia. :P

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    1. Re:PITA by Larryish · · Score: 1

      With the Jason Bourne thing... was I the only one sitting there the whole time thinking "c'mon man, put on some gloves, or a hat, or maybe a different color jacket"?

    2. Re:PITA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Would that be a Bourne Shell or a Bourne Again Shell

    3. Re:PITA by jimwormold · · Score: 1

      I take it then that you've never actually been to Mongolia?

    4. Re:PITA by cyclomedia · · Score: 2

      Bourne WAS wiping fingerprints down etc up until the midpoint of the first film. After the Clive Owen incident he stopped running and started taking the fight to them, after which he WANTS them to know exactly where he is and what he's doing most of the time, to fuck with them, basically.

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    5. Re:PITA by xaxa · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine, who lives in China, just visited Mongolia. The photographs on Facebook look interesting, but I haven't seen him since he went so I'm not sure what he thought of the trip.

      You couldn't drag me to outer Mongolia for less than 10 [mil]

      I'd visit if I lived closer. Maybe if a return flight was £500, rather than £1500.

    6. Re:PITA by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      It IS expensive isn't it?!? I hear it is well worth the money. I'm sure some the pics you've received are of the country side. in all seriousness it has a lot of beautiful country side views. There is a reason the Huns took their sweet time crossing it.

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    7. Re:PITA by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Finding a shell account in outer Mongolia is more work than it is worth.

      I'll take your word for it for the moment, but if or when I find out for certain myself, I'll let you know.

      You couldn't drag me to outer Mongolia for less than 10.[million dollars?]

      I'd do it - perfectly happily - for my usual fee of around a thousand (USD, post tax) per day. From what I've heard, Outer Mongolia is a pretty wild place, with some interestingly wild people there. Should be a fun job. At least as much fun as this months job (recent posts on my blog)

      Well. Unless the alternative was inner Australia.

      Never been there. I'm more of a cold weather person than warm weather, but I rather enjoyed the desert parts of working in the Rubh al'Khalid (Saudi-Dhabi border), so I'm quite attracted to working in the interior of Oz. As long as I don't have to work with certain fucking shit-eating Lebanese bastards (which is pretty likely).

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  4. Not New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The idiot also bought a USB memory stick he used in the 'collar bomb' (Given the description though, it's basically a box and chain) from a local Officeworks using his Mastercard. Real genius there. Although it's important to note that law enforcement around the world subpoena email providers everyday so I wouldn't exactly call this news.

    1. Re:Not New by INT_QRK · · Score: 1

      What I've learned from watching crime shows on cable: never buy duct tape, a tarp and a shovel at a home depot using your Visa card and wearing a bright Hawaiian shirt. Just saying.

    2. Re:Not New by lxs · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that Dexter wasn't accurate in that respect?
      Oops.

  5. Anonymous clothes? by stevegee58 · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean a business suit and a Guy Fawkes mask?

    1. Re:Anonymous clothes? by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      Where can I find a good, higher-quality Guy Fawkes mask? The ones I see online are just plastic shell molds that suck nuts.

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  6. Um by assertation · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But, this being Slashdot, everyone knew that already

    Anyone with a gmail account should know it. You go to a few Google places while signed in it tells you your location. You don't need to be a geek or what passes for one on Slashdot. You only need to be awake.

    1. Re:Um by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm sure everybody has noticed that you have a neat list of IP's and Location/Date/Time that you can access.

      If you can get that kind of information, I'm sure a Law Enforcement Agency can do the same.

    2. Re:Um by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      So...the secure proxy in Hong Kong that changes all my default Google sites to google.com.hk? Considering I'm in the middle of the US I'd say I feel safe.

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  7. No one ever reads TFA... by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 0

    And if you did, you'd get a nice treat! The victim has some DAMN first-class sweater meat!!!

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    1. Re:No one ever reads TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd collar bomb that if you know what I mean...

    2. Re:No one ever reads TFA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The police took TEN hours to free her ... LOL .. Yeah, that's what they where doing all right !~!

  8. What a sick freak! by darkmeridian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So he wasn't very technically savvy, and let's make fun of him for that. But Jesus F'innng Christ!!! He stuck a fake bomb collar around the neck of an eighteen year old girl to extort her parents. It took cops TEN HOURS to get that device off of her. Can you freaking imagine that ordeal? I would have shit my pants a few times already in that time span.

    And not to be disrespectful or anything, but that girl is really pretty!

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    1. Re:What a sick freak! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ugly girls don't get collar-bombed. Just sayin'...

    2. Re:What a sick freak! by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 1

      It wasn't a bomb, he had a crush on her and wanted to give her some high-tech jewelry!

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    3. Re:What a sick freak! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but I don't buy any of this news story, period. It's too much of a coincidence that just as the movie "30 Minutes Or Less" comes out, the same type of event happens in the international news feeds. Kind of like how exactly when Angelina Jolie's movie "Salt" came out, there just happened to be an international major news story about the smoking hot Russian spy chick being uncovered in the US. This kind of thing happens all the fucking time -- right around the day/week that a related movie or television show is being released.

    4. Re:What a sick freak! by Haoie · · Score: 1

      10 hours to figure out it's a fake.

      Well I guess trial/error was a bit risky.

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  9. Had this happen in Erie PA by areusche · · Score: 1

    There was a similar case in Erie PA back in 2007 I believe using a collar bomb. The poor guy had to rob a bank and reach a final destination before the timer ran out. Sadly the police held him at gun point and the timer went out before the bomb squad came.

    1. Re:Had this happen in Erie PA by Jon+Stone · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The "poor guy" is believed to have been part of the gang that came up with the plan in the first place. He wasn't, however, expecting it to be a real bomb.

      Brian Douglas Wells

    2. Re:Had this happen in Erie PA by DigiTechGuy · · Score: 3, Informative

      The guy was actually a conspirator in the plan, not an innocent bystander.

      Wiki Brian Douglas Wells

      Cleveland Article

    3. Re:Had this happen in Erie PA by anagama · · Score: 2

      I haven't done extensive reading on this, in fact, this is the first time I've heard of the incident amazingly enough. But I would point out that one of the people charged with masterminding the plan is the one who said the "poor guy" was an accomplice. Just saying the source is rather suspect and it is possible that "poor guy" really was.

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    4. Re:Had this happen in Erie PA by Tarsir · · Score: 1

      That article links to Wikipedia's List of Unsual Deaths. You just wasted an hour out of my day! :P

    5. Re:Had this happen in Erie PA by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

      Sadly the police held him at gun point and the timer went out before the bomb squad came.

      He was an idiot for not having the foresight to be a pretty girl like Maddy Pulver.

  10. Retribution by Mikkeles · · Score: 2

    I guess one could say that he got collared!:)

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    1. Re:Retribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *puts on sunglasses* Yeeeaaahhhhh!!!!!

    2. Re:Retribution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yeaaaaahhhhhhhhh!"

  11. Police report is pretty darn damning by kaptink · · Score: 2

    Reading through the police report pdf the guy appears to be a complete moron. Using his own credit card, car, public internet spots surrounded by CCTV, wearing/keeping the same clothes. Not real smart if you ask me. "A lawyer for Mr Peters said his client would fight the charges against him." - Why bother even trying given the evidence? Save your money or whats left of it for buying your way out of inevitable ass-rapage in jail.

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    1. Re:Police report is pretty darn damning by hesiod · · Score: 1

      Why bother even trying given the evidence? Save your money or whats left of it for buying your way out of inevitable ass-rapage in jail.

      Umm... paying a lawyer to argue against the evidence is exactly how you buy your way out of that.

  12. Idiot by swarm · · Score: 1

    What an idiot. Where do these guys learn their techniques.

  13. or, even better by circletimessquare · · Score: 2

    if you are smart enough to run a successful extortion plot, you are also smart enough to make money honestly and jeopardy-free, and realize that's the better choice

    i know, i know: there is always the common refrain that you don't hear about the smart criminals. that their invisibility is proof of their success. their invisibility could also be taken as proof of their nonexistence

    not that smart criminals don't exist. i am certain there's some dude in french polynesia sunning himself right now with his ill-gotten gains from a perfect caper. but i believe this is the rarity. most people have hollywood-addled imaginations, and overestimate the number of the mysterious perfect criminal in this world

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    1. Re:or, even better by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Smart criminals exist. We call them politicians and executives.

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    2. Re:or, even better by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      Smart criminals exist. We call them politicians and executives.

      But they're not criminals: they are acting according to the logic of the system in which they exist. They are rewarded for their behavior by social prominence and an abundance of wealth, not punished for it like a burglar both by social stigma and the prison. If we didn't live in a place that both culturally and economically encourages the behavior, people like that would appear to no longer exist; they would be the pariahs on the fringe, unknown to all but the few who are forced to interact with them (perhaps victims, police, and fellow criminals who lack other social outlets).

    3. Re:or, even better by biodata · · Score: 4, Informative

      Being in a position not to get caught and punished for their crimes does not make them not criminals.

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    4. Re:or, even better by MacGyver2210 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given the copyright laws in most of the developed world, I'd say most Slashdotters are smart criminals...

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    5. Re:or, even better by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      And being a politician or an executive does not make one a criminal. Nelson Mandela: politician. Warren Buffet: executive.

      It is more like abusive police. Not all police are abusive. But it is true that the idea of police work attracts certain people with the psychological need to assert dominance and violent physical power. Like the priesthood or the teaching profession appeals to pedophiles because of positions of trust and access to children.

      Likewise, the profession of politician and executive does indeed attract a certain class of cunning sociopath, giving the whole profession a bad name.

      We still need these positions in the world, we just have to do a better job of weeding out the undeserving.

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    6. Re:or, even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you could make a movie about executive zombies. That would be great.

    7. Re:or, even better by Wireless+Joe · · Score: 1

      Actually, we don't call smart criminals anything, because they're never caught and we don't know who they are unless they want us to. Ask Kaiser Soze.

    8. Re:or, even better by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. If you actually know a politician who's a criminal, report him to the police. Prosecute him yourself if you really think you're right. Otherwise, you're just committing libel.

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    9. Re:or, even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A triple negative - total respect, dude!

    10. Re:or, even better by biodata · · Score: 1

      The UK lot have already been investigated for fiddling their expenses (i.e. fraud). The deputy prime minister, Nick Clegg "claimed £160 each month to cover "garden maintenance", including keeping his hedges and front bushes trimmed.". (guardian.co.uk). Claiming nearly £2000 a year of taxpayers' money to have your front bush trimmed is criminal as far as I can see but the deputy prime minister is not going to be doing any jail time whatever I say to the police.

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    11. Re:or, even better by u38cg · · Score: 1

      And a number of them went to jail. MPs are required to maintain two properties as a consequence of being an MP. Paying them for the expense of doing so is not really unreasonable.

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    12. Re:or, even better by biodata · · Score: 1

      Asking us to pay £1000 to cut his hedges is not reasonable, as most of us can't afford to pay anyone to cut our own hedges. If it was reasonable, I think he wouldn't have decided to pay it back when he was caught. Paying it back allowed him to escape any risk of prosecution, but it doesn't make it legal to have made the claim in the first place.

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  14. Well, by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I can understand why it took 10 hours to take the collar off that gal. Made a lot of sense to me.

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  15. yup, saw that on america's most wanted by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

    they had tv footage and everything

    for awhile he was like "i'm going to blow up, i'm going to blow up". then towards then end he basically just gave up and accepted what was coming. pretty sad. the bomb squad was still being assembled: boom, right on the side of the road, surrounded by cops. i guess many thought it was a fake until then

    thank god for hollywood, which had to turn it into a comedy >/sarcasm<

    http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/08/30-minutes-or-less-collar-bom/

    as a matter of timing, you wonder if the movie inspired this australian idiot. reading about the plot in the newspaper (i don't think movie came out yet when this idiotic plot went down)

    you know you are a genuine idiot, when a comedy about feeble idiots trying to cook up a feeble criminal plot, inspires you to actually try that real life

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  16. It's worse than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All these Hollywood films give the impression that a clever individual can, with anonymity, challenge the state, rob a bank, uncover corruption at the highest levels and so on. In practice it is already impossible to do any of those things. Yes, you can get your hands on explosives, guns, private data, information etc. and sure, you can send emails, make phone calls from a stolen mobile phone and so on, but there are so many logs these days that if the authorities want to track down who did it they can.

    You cannot walk through London without being recorded on hundreds of CCTV systems. All mobile phone calls are logged by number and location. No vehicle on the UK motorway system goes unrecorded. Twitter, Google and Facebook all cooperate with the authorities and hold your data long after you believe that you have deleted it.

    One person in the UK has just been given a 4 year jail sentence for encouraging rioting via his twitter account. Come the revolution the revolutionaries will be outsmarted and in jail.

    Technology has tipped the balance heavily in favour of authority and you cannot do much about it, except wave banners around and chant, and to be honest that is just entertainment for the masses, column inches for the tabloids and will change nothing.

    1. Re:It's worse than you think by couchslug · · Score: 1

      That will get the stupid ones who fail to use being tracked to their advantage instead of simply trying to avoid tracking.

      The idea that people will only use cell phones and computers to communicate is nice for....conditioning most of them to do that....and conditioning the surveillance state to expect that and not look elsewhere.

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    2. Re:It's worse than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      First, this guy deserves the punishment he's about to get..

      Second, tech used by the state isn't the big problem with "revolutionaries". The problem these "revolutionaries" have is that there is very little to revolt against. Minor injustices aren't worth overturning an entire system. Cutting state benefits, reducing university subsidies, etc.. BFD. You're complaining about a reduction in benefits, and your solution is to overturn the system so the benefits don't exist at all?

      Fact is, the "revolutionaries" are just a bunch of thugs and hooligans.. If I go out and burn down a building/car, I would get arrested.. and these thugs should too.

    3. Re:It's worse than you think by SethJohnson · · Score: 1

      I would agree with a lot of what you say. The main weakness with these security systems is the true quality of the images.

      In 2008, a man set fire to the Texas Governor's Mansion with a molotov cocktail. The structure essentially burned to the ground. He had to jump a fence and walk across the mansion grounds to lob the bottle. It's all on video. Three years later, no one has been charged with the crime.

      Video camera footage is pretty hit-and-miss, while hard data like IP addresses, license plate photos, etc. are hard to evade. In the case of this collar bomber, the police likely had an easy path to follow. Google turned over the IP address that created the Gmail account. That pointed them at the Chicago airport. From that, they could have possibly collected a log of MAC addresses from the free wifi provider. Since the suspect had driven his car to the airport, they had photos of his license plate. That easily cross-references with the plane tickets to Australia to perform the attack. The MAC addresses also would cross-reference against the logs of paid wifi service providers.

      --seth

    4. Re:It's worse than you think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We're still going through a generation of people who are ignorant of how technology has affected their privacy (Or lack thereof) and how much of their lives is stored as data on some corporate/government database.

  17. viral marketing run amok by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    This is just despicable. It's just viral marketing for the movie "30 Minutes or Less". You've all been trolled.

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  18. Kudos to the Aussie Police by zildgulf · · Score: 2

    I must give the Australian Police kudos for how they handled this from start to now. Contrast that to the collar bombing that happened in the US. I saw that video and that is something I wish I could unsee. After the collar bomb went off there was a policeman running up the decapitated man with a gun drawn. Yeah right! The guy was dead right there and the cop still had a gun on him. Everything done by policy and procedure. I bet the same thing would've been done to that girl if she had been in the US.

    And no this is NOT some "foreigner" bashing America. I am an American bashing our country's lack of brave compassion in our society. We Americans actually punish and marginalize people who go out on a limb to dispense mercy and compassion instead of dishing out the authoritarian policies.

    If the actions of the Australian police are a mark of a civilized people then Australia has done itself proud and America has fallen short.

    1. Re:Kudos to the Aussie Police by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      I completely agree with this. A very clear cut case of murder by cop. They didn't even try to help the poor guy. They treated him as a terrorist to the bitter end.

  19. And don't use GMail by J'raxis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, if you're planning an extortion scheme, don't drive your car to the internet cafe, don't set up the account from an airport, wear anonymous clothes (like Jason Bourne does?) and do all your accesses through hacked shell accounts somewhere in Outer Mongolia.

    And don't use Google, who fed the IP information to the police.* That seems to be the key here; without an ability to link the GMail account to an IP address in the first place, they never would have found a physical location at which to look for a specific person or a car.

    * GMail headers, last I checked, do not contain this information. Some webmail providers add an X-Originating-IP header, e.g. Hotmail, but Google doesn't.

    1. Re:And don't use GMail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, well, well... one of the mighty trolls is still around. Who would have guessed.

      -cm

    2. Re:And don't use GMail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better than 'don't use gmail' would be 'Do use Tormail'. Tormail is a hidden service in the TOR network.

    3. Re:And don't use GMail by trawg · · Score: 1

      Did Google just "feed" the information to the police? Or did they obtain a warrant from a judge to get them to reveal it?

    4. Re:And don't use GMail by J'raxis · · Score: 1

      Sure. My point wasn't to necessarily say that Google gave them the information proactively, but just to point out one glaring omission in the chain of events that led to the police finding this guy: That Google and their records made the connection between GMail and IP address.

      Being a Slashdot reader, you and most of the other people here would probably say this is obvious. But for the thousands (millions?) of ordinary people who read the BBC article, if it had been explicitly mentioned that Google provided the IP address from which the GMail account was accessed, a small percentage of readers would probably think, "Wait, Google can do that?" And a small percentage of those people might start learning a thing or two about how to protect their privacy online.

  20. Fallout 3 by SomewhatRandom · · Score: 1

    A collar bomb? I think the perp played a little too much Fallout 3.

  21. chick's got a nice rack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that is all.

    1. Re:chick's got a nice rack by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Explains why it took 10 hours to 'defuse' the thing.

      "Barnes - the collar is around her neck. Not her chest".
      "Er, yessir!"

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  22. How to get rid of a body. by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Informative

    Duct tape at Home Depot, Shovel at Sears, pay cash.

    But what do you need a shovel for?

    I can think of several alternatives:
      - Drop of body in a location where there are bears and wolves.
      - Open a manhole cover, drop down the body into the sewer system.
      - Drop body from a bridge or into the sea. (a naked body showing up at the beach is not always conclusive to be a murder victim - especially during the summer.)
      - Leave body in the desert.
      - Locate a cement factory, throw body into the kiln. (this will definitely take care of all traces of a body)
      - Build a special trailer which you mount the body under, drive on remote highway during dark hours lowering the trailer to slowly grind off the body against the highway. Traces of the body over several tens of miles. Do this right before a rain and the traces will get washed away. Burn the trailer afterward.
      - Place body in derelict building, burn building.
      - Use a considerable amount of explosives, blow the body into pieces.
      - Butcher the body into unrecognizable pieces, leave pieces at local butcher. (don't eat sausage from that butcher for a while)

    And always make sure that the body is completely naked - no clothes will make identification harder. DNA will still require something to match the body to, and to match a specific body to the large number of missing persons can be tough.

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    1. Re:How to get rid of a body. by 6031769 · · Score: 1

      We need a new mod category: "Far Too Informative".

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    2. Re:How to get rid of a body. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      I hear the old mob trick of cutting off the head, hands and feet to dispose of somewhere else (easier due to smaller pieces) helps with preventing identification too....

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    3. Re:How to get rid of a body. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >cutting off the head, hands and feet

      That's outmoded now that Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) and other DNA analysis processes exists. Even if a profile for you doesn't exist in CODIS, DNA evidence can be checked against skin or other tissue you've left behind.

    4. Re:How to get rid of a body. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Continuing in the far too much information vein, along with the potassium chloride ("Lo-Salt" and the like) ...
      1. Drain the body and butcher in the bath - keep the mess as contained as possible.
      2. Gut contents down the shitter and flush. Contents, not guts!
      3. Butcher the body down to large joints - essentially long bones, mound of guts, head and girdles. Bag them, and into the freezer.
      4. As soon as necessary (maybe immediately, depending on how soon the victim is likely to be searched for, and how soon you're likely to be associated), dry the joints off in a low oven. Or, if you're into cannibalism - barbecue time!
      5. The dried meat can be dumped in places where rats/ dogs etc will dispose of most of the evidence. Re-discover your old hobby of weekend hikes up into the mountains. You can use any incriminating clothing, plastic bags etc for starting your nightly fire.
      6. Getting rid of the bones ... well I'd have de-fleshed the easily identifiable bones in the bath, dried them gently. Bones don't float on rivers, unless they're frozen over (people have forgotten this last point). Go hiking.

      None of which would protect you against a comprehensive forensic investigation. But you'll make it much much harder to build a convincing case against you than, for example, keeping the head in the fridge.

      The various murder channels are full of instructional videos of people who got caught. So, do something different to them. It's not rocket surgery or brain science.

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  23. makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so you idea is to do your extortion in China, one's of the most monitored place's in the world in regard's to the internet, saying that it is China, top plan

  24. People, people, please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    aren't we all kind of missing the point here by not leveling seething, mindless criticism at the Fallout video game series for inspiring this guy?

    All these rational reactions are getting a bit worrying.

  25. Better yet... by publiclurker · · Score: 1

    buy shovel's, etc. at local goodwill stores, garage sales, etc. A new tool will possibly have them looking through surveillance cameras at stores. Used items are not only harder to track down, but will lead investigators on a wild goose chase if they are able to get any identifying information from them.

    1. Re:Better yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And store them for at least 15 years before using them. Now you have an untraceable shovel ...

  26. Outer Mongolia? by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Outer Mongolia is no haven for criminals - that country's government is on pretty good terms w/ the West, and would either prosecute such criminals, or extradite them, as applicable. Try such things either in Inner Mongolia (which is a part of China, assuming that you have internet access there) or in countries, like Iran, Libya, Egypt, Lebanon, et al

  27. (like Jason Bourne does?) by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    RockDoctor,

    Question marks mark questions. This is not a question. It's a statement. /. should have a requirement that you must have a better grasp of the English language than a fifth grader to post headlines. Or maybe hire an editor.

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