What an I diot. My sister lives in Scottsdale and has plenty of money. Yet, they run inside temp at 95f/35c. My in-laws visit America constantly. Why? Because they are wealthy as well. In fact, one of them worked for the government traveling the world making oil deals ( India is a major importer ). Point is, these ppl choose to live in high heat without AC until it gets to a certain points for them. Then and only then, do they flip on.
I have thought that if my wife and I build a new home, we will do it in the ground., with a central atrium. That way, hail, fire, etc. resistant along with a great moderated temp that will require heating, not cooling.
First off, when you are living in 40C, you get acclimate to it. As long as it remains high, you will get used to it. My sister lives in scottsdale az, and runs her house at 35C for nighttime, and will let it go up to 37 or even 40C in the summer during the daytime. But, she hates 11C, even though she grew up in a place that ran from -40C to 40C.
But my in-laws in Chennai India go through that 40+C/99% humidity. Personally, I think that is nothing more than a lobster tank. Still.....
I do suspect though that as high temps move from 45 to 50C, that ppl will absolutely NEED AC to survive that. And if that AC is standard and the energy is based on coal, we will only make things happen quickly.
yup. Your family sounds like my sister, parents and half of my in-laws now. My sister/parent live in Az/Fl, while my in-laws are Indians. About 1/2 of my in-laws still live in Chennai, and are interesting when they get here. whether summer or winter, they want the inside temp to be 25-30C, and HATE putting on sweaters. After about an hour in that, I tend to go hide in the basement where it will be about 5C cooler. Apparently, most of the places in India are NOT ACed and ppl simply are used to those temps (which makes perfect sense).
I never said that ppl do not have heaters when it is -40F. I said that when you have large temp swings, ppl do not acclimate to it as well.
The parent to you told you a fact. He stated that 11C is cold to these ppl. My sister who grew up in -40C to 40C temps swings has been in a climate where when it reaches 47C, she is still able to tolerate being outside in it. In fact, she will play tennis in it (in-fucking-sane). However, in the winter, when it reaches 11C, she is freezing.
Look, when I lived in northern illinois, I used to run around at 0C in shorts and long sleeve shirts. Not a big deal. I only got cold there 2x. The first was when I tried to take the garbage to the street when it was -35C. I was dressed in shorts and shirt. No shoes. And the street was about only.25 acre away (20 meters or so).Yet, I could not reach 1/2 before I had to turn around and took about 30 minutes to warm back up.
And after living in COlorado for 2 years, went for a visit in middle of winter. It was not cold, only -20C, and I wore the same clothes that I had 2 years prior. Yet, I almost lost my ears to frostbite for walking outside for 15-20 minutes.
Ppl acclimate. It is when they have extreme temp swings that we see things like AC come into major play.
ppl acclimate to temps esp when they do not change much. At -40C, I did find it cold,while -20/-30 was just fine. OTOH, I have talked to guys from Finland and northern alaska, that tell me that for them -40 to -50 was fine for them. So, it is a matter of acclimating to it. That is also why my sister sets her house temp for 95F/35C, and that is COOLed. OTOH, she can not tolerate a simple 50F, and hates it when temps drop even close to 32F/0C.
nice to see that this is in town. Do you work there? I live at 80126, so obviously happy to see it here.
Nice concept. However, it is cooling only. That is why for residential buildings, I like the more/better insulation such as aerogel windows, combined with geothermal HVAC.
OTOH, that coolerado makes great sense for businesses, esp. kitchens,maybe DIA, etc.
burning oil for energy is insane. Using oil to make things is like using steel or wood. It is not polluting (well, not hugely polluting) to make goods with it.
I have no issue with using oil. In fact, we would be insane to stop using it. Think chemicals, plastics, fertilizer, etc. Oil being burned is criminal, but used for making things is absolutely useful.
Most of Europe is without AC because they do not have any real high temps. ANd to be honest, most of Europe does not have that low of temps. For example, you do not see places there that will run from -40C to 40C. Yet, parts of the American midwest do just that.
As I said elsewhere, it is really not a high or low temp that produces the need for massive heating or cooling. It is WIDE variation along with cheap housing (i.e. not enough insulation) that causes the need for it.
I wish that more ppl would actually THINK before posting here. It seems like the average IQ has fallen with the massive increase in trolls. Ok. No, you are not trolling. However, you are obviously not thinking. This approach will involve beaming ENERGY to the earth. That is, your guy is talking adding LOADS of energy to the earth. Now, how will it be sent? Either via visible light or microwave. In either case, the energy is going to be absorbed by various elements in the atmosphere. As such, we are looking at injecting TW amounts of energy, while only getting GWs of energy on the surface. So, where does the rest go? INTO HEAT.
The whole reason why AGW is causing warming is NOT that CO2 is harmeful. It is that it absorbs large amounts of heat, as opposed to reflecting it out of here. So, instead of building up more CO2, you are simply going to raise the atmosphere temperature DIRECTLY.
Does this make sense? Nope.
Look, I like the idea of using space based power beamed to earth, but only for small quantities. It should be used for disaster areas, probably war zones, as well as doing limited time construction in remote areas.
The real solution needs to be a mixture of AE, such as wind, solar, geo-thermal, hydro, combined with nuclear power (first fission, esp to burn up the nuke waste, and later fusion). These are the ONLY solutions which will work. And wind/solar due to their intermittent nature, should not provide more than 25-33% of a nation's energy source.
We are waiting for geo-thermal HVAC to drop in price or our furnace/AC to go out. That seems like the way to go, at least in the west/developed world. Very efficient.
Seriously, if your outside temp is constantly running from say 50F - 110F (or 10C to 40C), that is only a 60F(30C).
OTOH, if in the course of a year, you go from -40F up to 105F (or -40C to 40C), then you have 145F(80C) difference to deal with. Then add in 90-99% humidity during the summer. That is when you are far more likely to see AC being ran.
Of course, with that said, in places like Phoenix, Arizona, it regularly hits 115F ( 46C) through the middle of summer. Plenty of AC going on there. But, I noticed that when I visit my sister, her idea of an AC cool house is 95F/35C. Ugh.
agree about that part. However, the oil companies that KNEW about the climate change issue and then tried to cover it up, should be held responsible.
Was chevron involved? If not, then this case is already done.
how come you are not modded up fully? Seriously, you have hit the bullseye. Oil companies have pumped it out, but the vast majority of the CO2 is not from the pumping, but from the burning for cars, electricity, heat, etc. As such, they should chase car makers and utilities first before going after oil companies.
Seriously, I would like to see those that have had their CC's stolen to be held accountable. Once a few of these CIOs are held accountable, then businesses will change very quickly and security will matter more than saving a few dollars.
They have done a great job of destroying American jobs, but now, they are making certain that China will retain these jobs so that they can continue to send out American tech to other nations.
Even if America remained part of Paris accord, it would not matter. The reason is that China, and other nations are growing their emissions well beyond what the entire west generates. Until additional new coal plants are stopped, and ideally, all fossil fuel plants, we we're going to lose.
And China is adding 700 new coal plants just over the next couple of years.
First off, I am American. Politically, I used to be Libertarian, but am now GDI.
Secondly, I have nothing against NATURAL monopolies. But, Google, FB, etc are maintaining their monopolies via numerous illegal manners (which is in part why they removed the 'do no evil' moniker). Back when the google boys ran Google, they were all about do no evil and never cheated. Now adays, Google constantly cheats and is becoming worthless.
Then you have FB. Selling ALL of our information. Not obeying laws, etc. FB has almost always been evil.
Third, you have the issue of taxation. To be fair, I blame the GD politicians for these issues, not the companies are doing LEGAL, but unethical, tax work around. All of these nations want to get their own companies breaks, but do not want over seas companies the same breaks. The idea of no longer taxing the net has to be one of the STUPIDEST that I have seen. For example, America (and perhaps EU) should be taxing everything that flows over a border and simply have the delivery company collect it. For America, I would tax it at a straight 10%. Note that it solves the sales tax on Amazon/Google shops, but it really does not solve the corporate taxes which is a whole other issue.
breaking them apart is not so much regulation as much as restoring competition. We need to do that with a number of companies. In fact, I think that the west needs to consider saying that any company that occupies say 50+% of a niche, can not be allowed in to do business, or they must accept being broken apart first.
Seriously, they need to create 4-6 new companies from Google, Facebook, and possibly others. Then have them focus initially on single continent (ideally with employees located there, but, they can be split). After 1-2 years, allow them to compete where ever.
With this approach, each company is more responsive to the local nations, but also allows them the chance to better integrate with those nations before taking on each other.
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What an I diot. My sister lives in Scottsdale and has plenty of money. Yet, they run inside temp at 95f/35c. My in-laws visit America constantly. Why? Because they are wealthy as well. In fact, one of them worked for the government traveling the world making oil deals ( India is a major importer ). Point is, these ppl choose to live in high heat without AC until it gets to a certain points for them. Then and only then, do they flip on.
I have thought that if my wife and I build a new home, we will do it in the ground., with a central atrium. That way, hail, fire, etc. resistant along with a great moderated temp that will require heating, not cooling.
First off, when you are living in 40C, you get acclimate to it. As long as it remains high, you will get used to it. My sister lives in scottsdale az, and runs her house at 35C for nighttime, and will let it go up to 37 or even 40C in the summer during the daytime. But, she hates 11C, even though she grew up in a place that ran from -40C to 40C.
But my in-laws in Chennai India go through that 40+C/99% humidity. Personally, I think that is nothing more than a lobster tank. Still.....
I do suspect though that as high temps move from 45 to 50C, that ppl will absolutely NEED AC to survive that. And if that AC is standard and the energy is based on coal, we will only make things happen quickly.
yup. Your family sounds like my sister, parents and half of my in-laws now. My sister/parent live in Az/Fl, while my in-laws are Indians. About 1/2 of my in-laws still live in Chennai, and are interesting when they get here. whether summer or winter, they want the inside temp to be 25-30C, and HATE putting on sweaters. After about an hour in that, I tend to go hide in the basement where it will be about 5C cooler. Apparently, most of the places in India are NOT ACed and ppl simply are used to those temps (which makes perfect sense).
I never said that ppl do not have heaters when it is -40F. I said that when you have large temp swings, ppl do not acclimate to it as well. .25 acre away (20 meters or so).Yet, I could not reach 1/2 before I had to turn around and took about 30 minutes to warm back up.
The parent to you told you a fact. He stated that 11C is cold to these ppl. My sister who grew up in -40C to 40C temps swings has been in a climate where when it reaches 47C, she is still able to tolerate being outside in it. In fact, she will play tennis in it (in-fucking-sane). However, in the winter, when it reaches 11C, she is freezing.
Look, when I lived in northern illinois, I used to run around at 0C in shorts and long sleeve shirts. Not a big deal. I only got cold there 2x. The first was when I tried to take the garbage to the street when it was -35C. I was dressed in shorts and shirt. No shoes. And the street was about only
And after living in COlorado for 2 years, went for a visit in middle of winter. It was not cold, only -20C, and I wore the same clothes that I had 2 years prior. Yet, I almost lost my ears to frostbite for walking outside for 15-20 minutes.
Ppl acclimate. It is when they have extreme temp swings that we see things like AC come into major play.
ppl acclimate to temps esp when they do not change much. At -40C, I did find it cold,while -20/-30 was just fine. OTOH, I have talked to guys from Finland and northern alaska, that tell me that for them -40 to -50 was fine for them. So, it is a matter of acclimating to it. That is also why my sister sets her house temp for 95F/35C, and that is COOLed. OTOH, she can not tolerate a simple 50F, and hates it when temps drop even close to 32F/0C.
nice to see that this is in town. Do you work there? I live at 80126, so obviously happy to see it here.
Nice concept. However, it is cooling only. That is why for residential buildings, I like the more/better insulation such as aerogel windows, combined with geothermal HVAC. OTOH, that coolerado makes great sense for businesses, esp. kitchens,maybe DIA, etc.
burning oil for energy is insane. Using oil to make things is like using steel or wood. It is not polluting (well, not hugely polluting) to make goods with it.
I have no issue with using oil. In fact, we would be insane to stop using it. Think chemicals, plastics, fertilizer, etc. Oil being burned is criminal, but used for making things is absolutely useful.
Most of Europe is without AC because they do not have any real high temps. ANd to be honest, most of Europe does not have that low of temps. For example, you do not see places there that will run from -40C to 40C. Yet, parts of the American midwest do just that.
As I said elsewhere, it is really not a high or low temp that produces the need for massive heating or cooling. It is WIDE variation along with cheap housing (i.e. not enough insulation) that causes the need for it.
I wish that more ppl would actually THINK before posting here. It seems like the average IQ has fallen with the massive increase in trolls. Ok. No, you are not trolling. However, you are obviously not thinking. This approach will involve beaming ENERGY to the earth. That is, your guy is talking adding LOADS of energy to the earth. Now, how will it be sent? Either via visible light or microwave. In either case, the energy is going to be absorbed by various elements in the atmosphere. As such, we are looking at injecting TW amounts of energy, while only getting GWs of energy on the surface. So, where does the rest go? INTO HEAT.
The whole reason why AGW is causing warming is NOT that CO2 is harmeful. It is that it absorbs large amounts of heat, as opposed to reflecting it out of here. So, instead of building up more CO2, you are simply going to raise the atmosphere temperature DIRECTLY.
Does this make sense? Nope.
Look, I like the idea of using space based power beamed to earth, but only for small quantities. It should be used for disaster areas, probably war zones, as well as doing limited time construction in remote areas.
The real solution needs to be a mixture of AE, such as wind, solar, geo-thermal, hydro, combined with nuclear power (first fission, esp to burn up the nuke waste, and later fusion). These are the ONLY solutions which will work. And wind/solar due to their intermittent nature, should not provide more than 25-33% of a nation's energy source.
We are waiting for geo-thermal HVAC to drop in price or our furnace/AC to go out. That seems like the way to go, at least in the west/developed world. Very efficient.
Seriously, if your outside temp is constantly running from say 50F - 110F (or 10C to 40C), that is only a 60F(30C).
OTOH, if in the course of a year, you go from -40F up to 105F (or -40C to 40C), then you have 145F(80C) difference to deal with. Then add in 90-99% humidity during the summer. That is when you are far more likely to see AC being ran.
Of course, with that said, in places like Phoenix, Arizona, it regularly hits 115F ( 46C) through the middle of summer. Plenty of AC going on there. But, I noticed that when I visit my sister, her idea of an AC cool house is 95F/35C. Ugh.
a tesla. Charged on our 10 KW solar system.
agree about that part. However, the oil companies that KNEW about the climate change issue and then tried to cover it up, should be held responsible. Was chevron involved? If not, then this case is already done.
how come you are not modded up fully? Seriously, you have hit the bullseye. Oil companies have pumped it out, but the vast majority of the CO2 is not from the pumping, but from the burning for cars, electricity, heat, etc. As such, they should chase car makers and utilities first before going after oil companies.
Seriously, I would like to see those that have had their CC's stolen to be held accountable. Once a few of these CIOs are held accountable, then businesses will change very quickly and security will matter more than saving a few dollars.
They have done a great job of destroying American jobs, but now, they are making certain that China will retain these jobs so that they can continue to send out American tech to other nations.
Seriously, these ISPs are going to make it easy for the up and coming space connections.
Even if America remained part of Paris accord, it would not matter. The reason is that China, and other nations are growing their emissions well beyond what the entire west generates. Until additional new coal plants are stopped, and ideally, all fossil fuel plants, we we're going to lose. And China is adding 700 new coal plants just over the next couple of years.
First off, I am American. Politically, I used to be Libertarian, but am now GDI.
Secondly, I have nothing against NATURAL monopolies. But, Google, FB, etc are maintaining their monopolies via numerous illegal manners (which is in part why they removed the 'do no evil' moniker). Back when the google boys ran Google, they were all about do no evil and never cheated. Now adays, Google constantly cheats and is becoming worthless.
Then you have FB. Selling ALL of our information. Not obeying laws, etc. FB has almost always been evil.
Third, you have the issue of taxation. To be fair, I blame the GD politicians for these issues, not the companies are doing LEGAL, but unethical, tax work around. All of these nations want to get their own companies breaks, but do not want over seas companies the same breaks. The idea of no longer taxing the net has to be one of the STUPIDEST that I have seen. For example, America (and perhaps EU) should be taxing everything that flows over a border and simply have the delivery company collect it. For America, I would tax it at a straight 10%. Note that it solves the sales tax on Amazon/Google shops, but it really does not solve the corporate taxes which is a whole other issue.
Get a french chief, give him Armagnac, and then tell him that the worm tastes just like ortolan bunting.
Issue solved.
breaking them apart is not so much regulation as much as restoring competition. We need to do that with a number of companies. In fact, I think that the west needs to consider saying that any company that occupies say 50+% of a niche, can not be allowed in to do business, or they must accept being broken apart first.
Seriously, they need to create 4-6 new companies from Google, Facebook, and possibly others. Then have them focus initially on single continent (ideally with employees located there, but, they can be split). After 1-2 years, allow them to compete where ever.
With this approach, each company is more responsive to the local nations, but also allows them the chance to better integrate with those nations before taking on each other.
controlled? Yes.
BUT, that is not the case.