"User "Ftard" in China starts spamming with a spoofed return IP, and a bogus return address which matches the mail server at the spoofed IP."
Well unless Ftard is using an open proxy, which I'm quite happy to block too (this is sadly not 1990 any more), then his TCP/IP session has to come from somewhere and that's going to be more reliable an indicator of where it came from than the return address. Never bother looking at the return address on spam.
"However, I would add that upon request, you also be willing to prove both the origin AND content of the messages to be spam."
Ch34p V1@gr4 !! Ph4rm4cy 4 U!
I think that's usually proof enough.
"In addition, think about someone running a hosting company. They might have 20 different customers all sourcing from the same IP but different domains. By blacklisting just the IP, you're actually shutting down multiple other email providers who haven't been spamming you."
Sure, but in this case it's either allowing spam to get through and try to filter it by content, or a little collateral damage.
I prefer the latter because it has consequences. spamUall.com rents space on one of these and starts to get the IP blacklisted. Other customers start having problems and contact El Cheapo ISP to do something about it. Spammer gets kicked, El Cheapo might be more careful who they rent to next time. If they aren't more careful then the other customers find another provider because El Cheapo keep getting blocked.
"Except you'd be wrong because we aren't spammers and dont have any on our network. "You" are just an overzealous sysadmin who blocked legit email that was meant for your sales staff."
Why have I blocked you in response to spam then?
What the hell are you even fucking well talking about at this point?
I propose to block a host I receive spam from until I receive some sort of assurance that it's not spamming any more. Why are you so angry about this?
"Cause I'll just email your manager and the sales guy who didn't get my customers email and hopefully you'll be fired."
I'll be fired because I blocked email from an IP address in your range that's set up to fire spam at people?
No, I don't think so, in fact I can advise the sales guys and management that anything coming from that IP address is likely to be fraudulent anyway. Check who you rent servers to, and check their activity, or lose the ability for that IP address to mail my servers until I'm happy you've got your act together. The end.
I agree that there is a need to learn a wide range of languages and become comfortable working in different ways. That's a very important skill.
I totally disagree with your other statements about C though. I'm sorry, it's not a dying language. There are lots and lots and lots of new, active C projects in FOSS and in business.
I'm sorry to the evangelists of.Net and other new(er than C) languages, but good 'ol C isn't going anywhere.
So does a network client. But if I write a network client for MySQL's protocols without using their libraries, then nobody argues that this has any requirement to be GPL.
And that's fine and not covered by the GPL. There is a difference between linking to libraries and using a service over TCP/IP and the GPL is clear on that. Of course it does only apply to distribution.
As for MS and Blizzard, I don't know (or much care) what they have the rights to do.
"I don't believe Atheism is legitimate - because you can't prove the absence of something"
Congratulations on totally misunderstanding Dawekins and (most) atheists.
Religions can be dismissed based on the fact that they are flawed, contradictory of each other and themselves, can be shown to take ideas from other religions and long-dead cults and are basically patently ridiculous.
As for the possible existence of some sort of creator god? No proof of absence is offered, it is simply that there is no evidence or even credible suggestion to the positive, so for now I'll operate under the assumption there isn't one. Most atheists are agnostic too. They are without evidence (agnostic) so they don't believe in a god (atheist).
And a good interviewer will then proceed to ask you a few questions and expose the lie.
As an occasional interviewer I prefer to hear "no". Or "not extensively, though I have used it in", to an outright lie that I'm most definitely going to call you on.
I'm not a vinyl hater myself, I have a couple of turntables. One is part of a 22 year old stereo system, the other I bought because it had a USB connection and I wanted to rip my vinyl. But I bought the wrong model (better) and had to buy a USB preamp and... well anyway.
Right now I'm pinig for 1995-2000. Whatever happened to the (real) goth music that was around then?
This is a genuine question from a nostalgic 30 something. And no, I'm not talking about Marilyn Manson. I blame that man for further marginalising my old scene.
Check out oneswarm, they are a torrent-like anonymous p2p network.
I also have an idea for one, involving connections only to trusted friends and contacts one step removed from them (using TLS and RSA), all traffic moving through a trusted web via multiple hops.
It's not in any way an easy thing, but the idea are there and the darknets will rise...
"And then you ask how people draw these conclusions? Perhaps you'd care to reword that statement if you feel it was poor wording. But that statement above puts you squarely in the "it's more important to appear elite than to actually have my own opinion," club."
Read it however you like.
I'll repeat that through experience I've discovered that most stuff that gets popular is mediocre crap, so something being very popular immediately puts me off as it is very likely brainless, lowest common denominator nonsense.
If that says "shallow person driven by image and elitism" to you then that's your interpretation. Enjoy impartially investigating reality tv and plastic pop bands.
"Why does it matter if other people like or don't like the things you do?"
It doesn't. I just find that in general I can dismiss anything that becomes part of pop culture because it's mediocre crap. Saves a lot of time once you realise most people are stupid and have no taste.
Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions about what you enjoy without using "pop culture" as a guide?
I'm interested in how you arrived at that particular insult from my statement that I avoid things that become to popular because they're usually crap.
I don't decide I don't like something because it's popular, I just don't flock to whatever the tabloids/tv are crowing about this week becauyse it's usually a waste of time and usually a pretty good indicator that it's a load of crap.
For all the sneering Linux advocates like to do at Mac "fanbois," this "anti-cool is the new cool" attitude is hilarious to me. Welcome to the new club, same as the old club.
Well done for including me in a club I have nothing to do with. You are now officially a judgemental asshat that leaps to unsupported conclusions. Have a cookie.
"Screw Linux and try *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc. You might find a better community, server, desktop, or whatever. Shit, try everything, there is lots of software out there that doesn't come with whiney, quasi-religious undertones attached."
Neither does Linux.
BTW, I worked with a solaris workstation as my main machine for a couple of years until a month back. In my professional capacity I 'own' an HPUX box, two windows boxes and various linux boxes. I also regularly work on AIX, solaris and linux for mainframe.
You sound like all those other "non-conformists" that dress alike...
And you sound like a judgemental asshat. I don't know where you got any idea that I don't like anything but Linux, perhaps you ought to examine the workings of your own "fair and balanced" mind.
That's real choice; nobody makes me feel guilty for not running with the pack. I know what Harry Potter's target demographic is, but I'll watch that shit and not give a fuck because it's not all that bad.
I don't feel guilty for running with the pack, I just think the pack are usually morons and have little to no taste. I said in my last post that I don't consider this to apply to ubuntu though.
HURD? I'd try it if it worked and had anywhere near the hardware support. I also track ReactOS as an interesting aside.
Now go on, tell me why you decided I was a linux zealot?
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"User "Ftard" in China starts spamming with a spoofed return IP, and a bogus return address which matches the mail server at the spoofed IP."
Well unless Ftard is using an open proxy, which I'm quite happy to block too (this is sadly not 1990 any more), then his TCP/IP session has to come from somewhere and that's going to be more reliable an indicator of where it came from than the return address. Never bother looking at the return address on spam.
"However, I would add that upon request, you also be willing to prove both the origin AND content of the messages to be spam."
Ch34p V1@gr4 !! Ph4rm4cy 4 U!
I think that's usually proof enough.
"In addition, think about someone running a hosting company. They might have 20 different customers all sourcing from the same IP but different domains. By blacklisting just the IP, you're actually shutting down multiple other email providers who haven't been spamming you."
Sure, but in this case it's either allowing spam to get through and try to filter it by content, or a little collateral damage.
I prefer the latter because it has consequences. spamUall.com rents space on one of these and starts to get the IP blacklisted. Other customers start having problems and contact El Cheapo ISP to do something about it. Spammer gets kicked, El Cheapo might be more careful who they rent to next time. If they aren't more careful then the other customers find another provider because El Cheapo keep getting blocked.
"Except you'd be wrong because we aren't spammers and dont have any on our network. "You" are just an overzealous sysadmin who blocked legit email that was meant for your sales staff."
Why have I blocked you in response to spam then?
What the hell are you even fucking well talking about at this point?
I propose to block a host I receive spam from until I receive some sort of assurance that it's not spamming any more. Why are you so angry about this?
"Cause I'll just email your manager and the sales guy who didn't get my customers email and hopefully you'll be fired."
I'll be fired because I blocked email from an IP address in your range that's set up to fire spam at people?
No, I don't think so, in fact I can advise the sales guys and management that anything coming from that IP address is likely to be fraudulent anyway. Check who you rent servers to, and check their activity, or lose the ability for that IP address to mail my servers until I'm happy you've got your act together. The end.
"Wow. I remember when the average /.er was running their own mail server."
Hi there. I'm still here!
I also have a friend who runs a couple. Gmail is for suckers that don't mind giving away their data and don't have the balls to do it themselves.
I get minimal spam (about 1 a day maybe?) after setting up postfix to check headers, check spf and ask spamhaus.
If you rent servers to people that spam me, then you lose the ability to email me until I here you've sorted your act out.
It's that simple. And it has to be.
Yeah, you would have thought that it would get into spamhaus pretty quickly and then RBL blocked like anything else.
C and C++ for fetching data from databases is just fine, when you're doing performance critical database replication...
I know what you're saying, and there aare quicker and safer ways to do a lot of stuff, but C has a purity to it, and is everywhere.
Not that I agree with the other side of the argument, but there have been US cases where money (or other asset) was the defendant.
It's really weird.
I agree that there is a need to learn a wide range of languages and become comfortable working in different ways. That's a very important skill.
I totally disagree with your other statements about C though. I'm sorry, it's not a dying language. There are lots and lots and lots of new, active C projects in FOSS and in business.
I'm sorry to the evangelists of .Net and other new(er than C) languages, but good 'ol C isn't going anywhere.
Hey,
C is still number 2 language after java I'll have you know. C is still alive andd well and running most of your stuff.
There are lots of positions for a good C programmer. You have to be good though.
"Please demonstrate this with regard to Uppanishadic Hinduism,"
Not something I'm familiar with. However if it makes any claims to divine interaction with the world then it can just as easily be dismissed.
Agnostic atheist arguments apply perfectly well to polytheism and anything else that makes ridiculous, unsubstantiated claims.
So does a network client. But if I write a network client for MySQL's protocols without using their libraries, then nobody argues that this has any requirement to be GPL.
And that's fine and not covered by the GPL. There is a difference between linking to libraries and using a service over TCP/IP and the GPL is clear on that. Of course it does only apply to distribution.
As for MS and Blizzard, I don't know (or much care) what they have the rights to do.
If the crooks have that sort of imagination.
Frankly I think it'll just be another spam/fraud net.
If it's linked it's derivative, it uses the GPL code to do something.
This is why we have the LGPL.
"I don't believe Atheism is legitimate - because you can't prove the absence of something"
Congratulations on totally misunderstanding Dawekins and (most) atheists.
Religions can be dismissed based on the fact that they are flawed, contradictory of each other and themselves, can be shown to take ideas from other religions and long-dead cults and are basically patently ridiculous.
As for the possible existence of some sort of creator god? No proof of absence is offered, it is simply that there is no evidence or even credible suggestion to the positive, so for now I'll operate under the assumption there isn't one. Most atheists are agnostic too. They are without evidence (agnostic) so they don't believe in a god (atheist).
And a good interviewer will then proceed to ask you a few questions and expose the lie.
As an occasional interviewer I prefer to hear "no". Or "not extensively, though I have used it in", to an outright lie that I'm most definitely going to call you on.
Certainly can't fault you there!
I'm not a vinyl hater myself, I have a couple of turntables. One is part of a 22 year old stereo system, the other I bought because it had a USB connection and I wanted to rip my vinyl. But I bought the wrong model (better) and had to buy a USB preamp and... well anyway.
Right now I'm pinig for 1995-2000. Whatever happened to the (real) goth music that was around then?
This is a genuine question from a nostalgic 30 something. And no, I'm not talking about Marilyn Manson. I blame that man for further marginalising my old scene.
Lol, audiophile troll...
No, they still press them because there's a market of dinosaurs still sold on the idea that "digital" necessarily means bad quality.
Check out oneswarm, they are a torrent-like anonymous p2p network.
I also have an idea for one, involving connections only to trusted friends and contacts one step removed from them (using TLS and RSA), all traffic moving through a trusted web via multiple hops.
It's not in any way an easy thing, but the idea are there and the darknets will rise...
"And then you ask how people draw these conclusions? Perhaps you'd care to reword that statement if you feel it was poor wording. But that statement above puts you squarely in the "it's more important to appear elite than to actually have my own opinion," club."
Read it however you like.
I'll repeat that through experience I've discovered that most stuff that gets popular is mediocre crap, so something being very popular immediately puts me off as it is very likely brainless, lowest common denominator nonsense.
If that says "shallow person driven by image and elitism" to you then that's your interpretation. Enjoy impartially investigating reality tv and plastic pop bands.
9 years.
That's how long I've been able to do this on other phones. 9 years. And only because I never had a mobile before that.
NOT news.
"Why does it matter if other people like or don't like the things you do?"
It doesn't. I just find that in general I can dismiss anything that becomes part of pop culture because it's mediocre crap. Saves a lot of time once you realise most people are stupid and have no taste.
Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions about what you enjoy without using "pop culture" as a guide?
I'm interested in how you arrived at that particular insult from my statement that I avoid things that become to popular because they're usually crap.
I don't decide I don't like something because it's popular, I just don't flock to whatever the tabloids/tv are crowing about this week becauyse it's usually a waste of time and usually a pretty good indicator that it's a load of crap.
For all the sneering Linux advocates like to do at Mac "fanbois," this "anti-cool is the new cool" attitude is hilarious to me. Welcome to the new club, same as the old club.
Well done for including me in a club I have nothing to do with. You are now officially a judgemental asshat that leaps to unsupported conclusions. Have a cookie.
Neither does Linux.
BTW, I worked with a solaris workstation as my main machine for a couple of years until a month back. In my professional capacity I 'own' an HPUX box, two windows boxes and various linux boxes. I also regularly work on AIX, solaris and linux for mainframe.
And you sound like a judgemental asshat. I don't know where you got any idea that I don't like anything but Linux, perhaps you ought to examine the workings of your own "fair and balanced" mind.
I don't feel guilty for running with the pack, I just think the pack are usually morons and have little to no taste. I said in my last post that I don't consider this to apply to ubuntu though.
HURD? I'd try it if it worked and had anywhere near the hardware support. I also track ReactOS as an interesting aside.
Now go on, tell me why you decided I was a linux zealot?
Linux did it first, in 2004. It got little attention.
That makes it more cool, right?