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Linux Foundation Asks Who Says "I'm Linux" Best

An anonymous reader writes "Everyone has seen Apple's clever 'I'm a Mac' ads, and Microsoft's attempted responses, first with Jerry Seinfeld, and next with 'I'm a PC.' The Linux Foundation tries to fire back with its community-generated 'We're Linux' video contest: all of the eligible videos have now been submitted and are ready to be voted on. Thankfully, the quality of Linux is much higher than the quality of some of these entries: entries range from the hilarious but inappropriate, to the well-made but creepy, to the 'I'm sure it sounded good in your head.' Thankfully, there are one or two that could actually be real commercials."

459 comments

  1. I'm Debian by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I'm Debian, the mother of all Linuxen

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    1. Re:I'm Debian by nobodylocalhost · · Score: 3, Informative

      Really? I thought for sure slackware would be it.

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    2. Re:I'm Debian by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1, Troll

      Also, all of those video links are broken. Must be hosted on Windows Vista.

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    3. Re:I'm Debian by Jabbrwokk · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're all in OGG format so no one will be able to watch them anyway ;)

    4. Re:I'm Debian by rkfig · · Score: 1

      Really? I was thinking it was Yggdrasil.

    5. Re:I'm Debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im sure it has more to do with the servers being slammed by slashdotters

    6. Re:I'm Debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      They're all in OGG format so everyone will be able to watch them anyway ;)

      There, fixed that for you.

    7. Re:I'm Debian by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Hard to remember that far back *grin* but there were distros before Slackware. Anyone remember SLS?

    8. Re:I'm Debian by myshkinstudios · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's odd how both of those comments are absolutely true.

    9. Re:I'm Debian by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      SLS, but who's counting? :)

      Anyway, Slackware and Debian are pretty much exactly the same age, if you count from when the projects started. Debian took quite a bit longer to reach 1.0, but then, they were actually trying to make a good system. :)

    10. Re:I'm Debian by VagaStorm · · Score: 4, Informative

      Akording to wikipedia you are correct, yggdrasil linux releaced first alpha on 8 December 1992, before both slakware and debian who came out in 1993 but Softlanding Linux System (SLS) precceded them all. (I knew nothing of this b4 I looked it up :p)

    11. Re:I'm Debian by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slackware ended up being a good system too, and much earlier.

      p.s. Debian 1.0 would have been released a year earlier, but they were still arguing whether the DFSG was in violation of the DFSG.

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    12. Re:I'm Debian by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Funny

      p.s. Debian 1.0 would have been released a year earlier, but they were still arguing whether the DFSG was in violation of the DFSG.

      They still haven't figured it out.

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    13. Re:I'm Debian by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          But ... Yggdrasil has been dead since 1995.

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    14. Re:I'm Debian by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          I guess that's why it worked flawlessly viewed on my Linux machine. :)

          But I noticed it got slow, and then finally the Slashdotted note showed up. I'll have to come back tonight when the working class Slashdotters are asleep, and the rest of you are busy in IRC. :)

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    15. Re:I'm Debian by emj · · Score: 1

      Debian ca 1995, that is 0.93 with dselect was really good, alot better than Slackware, IMO.

    16. Re:I'm Debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes...

      OGG: The compression choice of Erwin Schrödinger and discriminating scientists everywhere.

    17. Re:I'm Debian by shtrom · · Score: 1

      Really? I thought for sure slackware would be it.

      Actually, Slackware is a heavily modified version of SLS, touched by Pat's blessing hand (:

    18. Re:I'm Debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying that when a video is in OGG format, everyone will be able to watch them even when the server they're on is down? Really? That's amazing!

    19. Re:I'm Debian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Go back and check the wiki article again. I just changed it to reflect my own reality.

    20. Re:I'm Debian by Xtifr · · Score: 1

      Slackware ended up being a good system too

      Ha ha ha, that's a good one! Man, you're funny! ...Oh, wait, you're serious? Wow, that's just sad. :p ;)

      Nah, seriously, to each their own, but I ran Slackware back when it was just about the only available option, and there's not enough money in the world to pay me to go back.

    21. Re:I'm Debian by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      By Thor I declare that Yggdrasil still stands, but the Linux distribution that dared mock us has been severed at the neck!

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    22. Re:I'm Debian by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          {yawn}

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    23. Re:I'm Debian by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Stellar response! I am humbled to be shown up by such a master of communication! ;^}

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  2. Evil Geniuses Use Linux by biryokumaru · · Score: 4, Funny

    What ever happened to:
    ahttp://ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54

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    1. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Whatever happened to predictability?
      The milkman, the paperboy, and late night tv?

    2. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      Aside from the inaccuracies, that was fun.

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    3. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by nine-times · · Score: 3, Funny

      It seems today that all you see is violence in movies and sex on TV, but where are those good old-fashioned values on which we used to rely?

    4. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by Hordeking · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to: http://ubergeek.tv/article.php?pid=54

      They were attacked by a Beowulf cluster of atomic supermen, backed by genetically engineered Cyber-goats.

      I haven't watched that video in a long time. Sadly, I didn't even need to navigate to the URL to know what it was...how geeky is that?

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    5. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's waiting just around the bend!

    6. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by MadHakish · · Score: 1

      Lucky theres a man who positively can do all the things that make us laugh and cry. He's a family guy.

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    7. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ever happened to people smart enough to mirror their videos to you tube before they get slashdotted?

    8. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Funny

      Alex, the question is...... 3 things your wife likes more than you?

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    9. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...I sent an email...

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-NpLu2xC38

    10. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by tequila13 · · Score: 1

      It seems today that all you see is violence in movies and sex on TV, but where are those good old-fashioned values on which we used to rely?

      I find it funny that this was modded funny, like: "hahaha.. old-fashioned values.. you talk funny" ..the author probably meant it seriously

    11. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by nine-times · · Score: 1

      I hate to have to explain the joke, but we were quoting TV openings.

      Sexconker went for Full House, and I responded with Family Guy.

      I thought it was funny because it almost seemed like a valid conversational response.

    12. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

      Script
      Picture of a cellphone. Text appears "I'm Linux". A person grabs it and says, "I'm free."
      Picture of a TomTom. The tomtom voice says "I'm Linux". Camera pans out to a person driving the car. "I'm free."
      Picture of an Olpc. Screen Text "I'm Linux". Camera pans out to remote village with small child that says "I'm free."
      Picture of racks full of servers. Screen Text "I'm Linux". Camera pans to It person. "I'm free."
      Picture of a netbook. Screen Text "I'm Linux". Camera pans out to student in crowded lecture hall. "I'm free."
      Picture of a desktop. Some flashy video editing running. Screen Text "I'm Linux". Pan out to office scene with skyline view visible through windows. "We're free."
      Picture of a boxed copy of Linux. "I'm Linux". Voice over. "Try it, It's Free."

      Too bad the entry period is over, this would be a pretty cool commercial.

    13. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      You mean "What are 3 things your wife likes more than you?"... Not to be nit-picky or anything.

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    14. Re:Evil Geniuses Use Linux by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Ya, I lost final Jeopardy like that once.

          Then I woke up, and realized it was a bad dream.

          Except, I was napping in the waiting room of Jeopardy, just before going on the show.

          And then I woke up and said, "Wow, that was a really weird dream...."

          Then I realized I was still sleeping.

          When I woke up, I got up, went to work, spent the whole day there, and then woke up.

          I found myself laying in bed, exhausted, with the alarm clock blaring. Time to go to work.

          Am I awake, or is this still part of a bad dream?

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  3. And that so sums up Linux... by jonnyj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Great product, shame about the marketing. That's why Canonical / Ubuntu is so important.

    1. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The Linux.com contest is cute, but not much is accomplished for Microsoft or Linux as long as they are aping Apple's ad campaign. Such ads would only give the impression that Microsoft and Linux are late to the "cool party".

      It'd be nice if Canonical (or any other serious player, or especially a consortium) released ads which played on Linux' strengths and dispelled the myths of modern Linux. They could show a stylish but smart person being the Linux user and his curious but skeptical friend asking the questions:
      • "Dosen't an expert need to set up Linux?" "No, it's quick and easy!" (show a YAST or GRUB GUI installation)
      • "Can I change the way it looks?" "Sure, much more than Vista or OSX!" (quickly show a wide variety of theme shots)
      • "How do I install software?" "Look, it's easy. Everything is at your fingertips." (show the GUI apt-get)
      • "Does Linux work with different hardware?" "Of course." (show rapid-fire shots of CUPS recognition, multiple monitors, etc.)
      • "Can I run my Windows programs on Linux?" "Yes you can." (show WINE in action)

      But more importantly, Linux must go on the offensive. They must stress that they are capable of doing fancy stuff(show the oblig compiz-fusion screenshot), and they should mention the freedom that users will have to do whatever they want with their computer while reminding the users how annoying iTunes is for trying to install other crap under your nose. Maybe have a cheap shot at the "Vista capable" fiasco and the fact that Vista and 7 are the same thing are both prime targets for malware. Stress that users do have a choice!

    2. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Shame? I thought some of them were pretty alright. Here's some youtube links (okay, some of them aren't user made but they're all on the LinuxFoundation account and market linux)
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWEIQIv8zvY&feature=channel_page
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmFqZPYSXV4&feature=channel_page
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgo3BBgWDA&feature=channel_page
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCZGOPoVHF8&feature=channel_page

    3. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      how did this entry not make the slashdot post? its dam good: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1235

    4. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You ever notice how nobody really talks about features the way you're describing? It's because that's basically nerd porn. Everyone else would just go "jesus, that's boring" and tune out.

      This is something most of the Linux community doesn't get: People don't give a fuck about computers. It's like a car: the only time they care is when it isn't doing what they want it to.

      And, right now, it's a lot easier to get a Linux machine to the isn't-doing-what-they-want-it-to point than a Windows machine. (If you have to mention WINE, you pretty much already failed. WINE is an admirable effort that requires a level of technical proficiency or at least willingness to Google to get a lot of stuff running well--neither of which are things end users will do.)

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    5. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      Cool parties are overrated. It's funny how Hodgman is the stuffy PC but in real life he's 100x hipper than Justin Long. The man wrote a fictional history of important hobos for christ's sake.

      In a similar way I think linux's strength is in it's openness, and the marketing doesn't tell that story well. It's a tortoise and hare story. Desktop adoption is slow but in many markets I feel it is inevitable.

    6. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Such ads would only give the impression that Microsoft and Linux are late to the "cool party"."

      I hate to be the bearer of bad news but...

      -_^

    7. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Windows_NT · · Score: 1

      I agree. As original as linux is, cant it come up with something better? Everyone the uses Linux knows of 100 ways its better, why not show that.
      In this day in age, everyone wants to coolest things, and THAT can be accomplished with linux. show fluxbox with transparencies, or compiz kickin ass.
      Id love to see a TV commercial showin how 'cool' linux is (and it is the definition of cool)
      Chix dig BSD .. damn strait. there been many times were showing of a little geekyness has gotten me girls. wow, your so smart (not really i just run linux). Cmon guys, lets do something original ....
      -rebooting is for adding hardware

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    8. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      "Does Linux work with different hardware?" "Of course." (show rapid-fire shots of CUPS recognition, multiple monitors, etc.)

      I wouldn't recommend showing multiple monitors until the detection and configuration of such is an order of magnitude more automatic and easy than it is now. Frankly, multiple monitor support in Linux *does* suck.

    9. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by jabithew · · Score: 1

      Oh for mod points.

      Why do people think Macs are becoming so popular?

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    10. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 4, Informative

      People don't give a fuck about computers. It's like a car: the only time they care is when it isn't doing what they want it to.

      Well said. Put slightly differently by Harvard Business School professor Theodore Levitt:

      People don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.

      There's a reason why most Mac ads talk about how the Mac makes "real stuff" (photos, video, music, email, setting up a new printer...) easy: it's the holes they're talking about, not the drill.

    11. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1

      Desktop adoption is slow, but in many markets, I feel it is inevitable.

      In exactly which markets do you feel adoption of desktop Linux is inevitable?

    12. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by prelelat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes we can?

      I agree we need to get out there and show the masses that 'hey your looking at switching to a mac look here first' Tell them that Mac is Linux' prissy cousin and show how it can do everything they do and so much more. If people see an "I'm Linux" commercial they are just going to say yeah you like Linux but it has no applications, it's harder to use. The marketing should be getting rid of the reputation that Linux acquired in the 90's and should be about showing people how exciting and advanced the progress has become in the last 10 years. They should showing how applications on are easier to use, how drivers with compatible computers are easier to install, and how fast the thing is. Sit it beside an XP or vista machine and show boot to production time.

      They should be coming out with a penguin label for computers that have all Linux compatible hardware and have some companies like HP, Dell, and IBM get into it. I think that there needs to be a lot of ground work done before you can get into a simple "I am Linux'

    13. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by droopycom · · Score: 4, Funny
      • "Can I run iTunes and use my iPhone with Linux?" "Err... well, almost, with wine, iTunes version 7.3 works... kind of, but its okay... you can just use one of the numerous other free media player... But you better backup your iphone on a mac or windows machine before you start playing with it on linux, because it might just eat all your songs and apps... But anyway you just just get a Google android phone that is open source and run Linux on the phone itself! ... hey, no dont run away... come back! You'll see, linux its so much fun..."
    14. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by JWSmythe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was going to reply to him, but you seem to actually understand.

          He has no clue about advertising. It has absolutely NOTHING (none, nada, nil, zip, zero, nuthin') to do with the product. It has everything to do with getting the viewer's attention, and keeping it for the 15 to 30 seconds that the ad runs, *AND* mixed in somewhere show the product.

          Like, this would make a killer ad..

          Show a jet fighter buzzing the surface of the ocean. It fires a missile. WOOSH! People like jet fighters. They like big explosions. The flash and the noise will get (or keep) them looking.

          The camera follows the missile. You see the girls on the beach. It flys down a road with flashy cars. it buzzes some other flashy thing. Then you see it going straight into a building with a big Linux sign on it.

          Big explosion. Dust settles (quickly, we're at like 20 seconds already), and the sign is still standing.

          No words. No dialogue. Just music (optionally, but suggested), jet engine noise, rocket noise, and explosion noise.

          People who want to sell their product always want to include all kinds of crap about their product. Consumers don't care. 99% of the people driving cars (like in your example) don't know anything about them. They can't tell you what engine it has. Half of them can't even tell you the model without going outside to look. Everyone can say if it's pretty or ugly. There are some people who are really into their cars (like me) who can run down every part in it accurately. Ads for my car had nothing to do with the features of the car.

          Here was the short version (30 sec). It doesn't even say the name until the end. Lots of noise and effects.

          This was the long promo video. Only the first 45 seconds showed up on TV, as I recall. Again, lots of noise and effects. Even I, a TransAm owner, didn't care to watch it past 1 minute, when they started babbling about the features.

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    15. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Can I run my Windows programs on Linux?" "Yes you can ... oh wait ... shit" (show WINE crashing horribly)

      or

      "Can I run my Windows programs on Linux?" (show Linux guru snorting in contempt)

    16. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The depressing thing is that all the pieces are there. Linux has all the things you'd expect from a modern operating system; speed, decent user interface, good hardware support. But it falls flat on the little things that SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM ANYMORE.

      I mean, why is it still a hassle to access a Windows share? Sure, I can (usually) browse a Windows share from KDE, but almost no apps can actually DO anything with the files. You end up having to copy them locally first, which sometimes works. (Why isn't everyone taking the MacOS approach where it will mount the share, so everything can use it, rather than use all sorts of API bullshit that nothing will take advantage of?)

      There's so many little things like this that just end it for so many people, including myself. Sure, I use Linux a lot, but only for the server end. I continue to keep up to date on the Desktop side of things; I always install new versions of this distribution or that. Things have improved, but not as much as they should be.

      I never try to push Linux on anyone. It's not worth it because simple tasks are often not simple and they COULD BE simple if someone took the time to put the pieces together. I had high hopes for Ubuntu, but each distribution release from them is basically just the same exact thing as the last one with updated versions of the kernel and other software. Yay.

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    17. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, everyone that uses Linux knows of 100 ways it's way worse, too.

      A huge gap in Linux desktop systems is management. There's almost nothing out there. While Windows systems have had central administration for a LONG time, neither Linux nor MacOS provide much in the way of that. MacOS has almost nothing, and Linux is even more sparce.

      In a Windows environment, when all the machines are joined to a domain, you have nearly complete control over the entire infrastructure from one console. You can force thousands of policies and settings down to the desktops to manage everything from password policy to desktop backgrounds to security settings.

      The playing field levels a bit when you're talking about home users but the big reason Microsoft got so big is because people used it at work and felt comfortable with it at home. I'd love to see more deployments of Linux systems - the workplace is a perfect place because you can better manage the user experience. But since there's hardly any way to centrally manage those desktops, we won't see it anytime soon.

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    18. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Big time. Partly because of the fact that the cards you're likely to use require closed-source drivers, but also because none of the GUI tools are up to the challenge.

      It's an afterthought.

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    19. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      You ever notice how nobody really talks about features the way you're describing? It's because that's basically nerd porn. Everyone else would just go "jesus, that's boring" and tune out.

      This is something most of the Linux community doesn't get: People don't give a fuck about computers. It's like a car: the only time they care is when it isn't doing what they want it to.

      And, right now, it's a lot easier to get a Linux machine to the isn't-doing-what-they-want-it-to point than a Windows machine. (If you have to mention WINE, you pretty much already failed. WINE is an admirable effort that requires a level of technical proficiency or at least willingness to Google to get a lot of stuff running well--neither of which are things end users will do.)

      Hey, I never needed to Google anything for Wine! Oh, wait... yes I did.. hundreds of times...

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    20. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      I was about to argue but now that I think about it, trying to listen to music on a remote share in Rhythmbox was always a hassle. DAAP really saved the day when I finally came across it, but that only solved one problem for one application.

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    21. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      The marketing should be getting rid of the reputation that Linux acquired in the 90's and should be about showing people how exciting and advanced the progress has become in the last 10 years.

      Something along the lines that GNU/Linux is in exponential growth while Microsoft doesn't have the curve to surf on anymore?

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    22. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Aphoxema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Can I run my Windows programs on Linux?"

      "Yeah, it runs just about everything that comes with Windows perfectly, including the amazing word processing power of wordpad, the mad calculating skizzles of calc, the years of entertainment that sol provides. It'll even do minesweeper and paint!

      Did I mention that Ubuntu already comes with OpenOffice, Firefox, GIMP, and a calculator that can do everything short of graphing, all for free, without having to register, without having to install cracks, without having to worry if an update will break the crack, or programmers constantly trying to find ways to make it harder for you to steal their software?"

      That usually gets people to try a LiveCD at least.

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    23. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by yoshi_mon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another great way of putting the same idea. And while I agree I think that there is a bit more to the idea than even the previous poster says.

      Small % of people - Those in the know about a product and want all the 'nerd pron'. (Or to put it another way they know all about their needs.) To such people ads that show all the flash over substance are meh at best. However...that's kind of the whole point. The mass scale marketing can't be tailored for this very small set of people.

      Slightly larger % of people - These people are not the techs who are in the above category but rather the managers of those techs. Or the 'enthusiast' part of the market. The kind of people, for example, who do dual-phase cooling on chips that were designed for simple HSF setups. Still however this is not the target that mass scale marketing has to aim for.

      Nearly every other bit of the % of people - The masses who want that hole not the bit. This is the target audience that when thinking about mass marketing your looking at. For example when I think about a fan belt for my car I sure as hell don't fall into either of the above two categories. I'm just looking for a part that will get the job done and not cost me an arm and a leg.

      And mind you there are those to whom fan belts are important things that they want to know all sorts of details about when they think about them. But much like when I think about my OSs don't fall into that 3rd category.

      And therein lies the rub. Most of us who have been involved in FOSS fall directly into the 1st or 2nd category in my list. And as such we make very poor advocates for it at times. Because the majority of people don't really care about FEATURE X that to us is really really cool and important.

      This is getting way too long winded so I'll just close in saying whenever any of the great FOSS conversion stores are shared, most of the best ones include users who just want something that works. Not the other 99% of the nerd pron that we like to go on about.

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    24. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      I love this post. I love it far more than I should love a bunch of letters and markup. I am going to steal that phrase and use it whenever this discussion comes up.

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    25. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      It might interest you to know that Windows' new driver model actually sucks for multiple monitors in a similar way.

      New Vista-style drivers are incompatible with older XP-style drivers, which means that if you have Intel video hardware and NVidia video hardware, the Intel drivers aren't run at all. Which means that I can no longer use 3 monitors on my Dell at work, because of the driver incompatibilities. But here's the worst part: even if Intel had Vista-style drivers, I still wouldn't be able to use a third monitor because Windows Vista+ will *only* allow multiple video cards if all cards share the same driver.

      Which means if you buy a off-the-shelf Dell with Intel video hardware, and add an additional video card from ATI or NVidia, you can either use the two monitors from your Intel card, or the two from your ATI/NVidia card, but not both. Ditto for any combination of video card vendors. If you're running two NVidia cards, but they're different models, you can only use both if they both happen to have the same driver. (Fortunately, Intel, ATI, and NVidia cover the majority of their card lines in a single driver.)

    26. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The funny thing is, I would think that Open Source folks would just "get" this line of thinking immediately. How many times have we heard a variation on this in the form of: "You don't make money off selling the software, you make money off supporting the software."

      Rough paraphrase: "Since everybody has a drill, sell your skills as a carpenter." You don't sell the tool, you sell the solution.

    27. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      The ones where people don't have over $100 to piss away on the layer that sits between the hardware and the web browser. I should have said many locations, I guess. But I was thinking netbooks as well, that's not really a location.

      There will always be room for commercial and proprietary software. Especially if it is innovative. But I don't see a good reason why linux can't do to Windows what it did to traditional Unixes.

    28. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      That's annoying. I've never run into the problem with trying to use two different video cards under Vista; I've always just used the one.

      However, the Windows multiple monitor support has always just worked for me at least in the configurations I've used. Vista seems even better at it than XP - with my Notebook I would plug in the HDMI cable and Vista would automatically enable the monitor and let me use that screen for whatever.

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    29. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by fatalGlory · · Score: 1

      In Australia, the two best known brands of paracetamol are called Panadol and Herron. Herron started running ads that simply told the public, the two products are basically identical (same amount of paracetamol per tab, etc.) The key difference being that Herron is Australian made, and so it is better for the country if you buy herron over panadol.

      Fair enough. Panadol's slogan in their counter-advertising? "Panadol - It's My Choice". I think it was quite effective. Appealing to the "screw the man, I'll run whatever OS i want" mentality is completely possible for something like linux.

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    30. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1

      Something along the lines that GNU/Linux is in exponential growth

      Citation? I don't say it as an attempt to troll, I simply haven't seen any reports that it is doing more than growing at a small rate.

    31. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      As long as you buy the same make of cards, you're probably fine. The real problem is that the built-in cards are usually Intel, and normally you wouldn't think of buying an Intel card as an expansion. Also, it took me ages to figure this all out because the error message when MS rejects your old driver is really vague. :)

    32. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Don't I know it. Even Amarok, a KDE app, has all sorts of problems trying to play music from a Windows share. It sucks. You can't open office documents from a share because OpenOffice won't support KDE or Gnome's method of opening those locations either. It's nearly useless.

      Gnome isn't any better.

      When you mount the share, everything works fine, so I don't know why everyone doesn't just use that method. It works fine on MacOS so what's the problem? They use all the same software to make it work; samba, etc. They just have a user interface for it that's integrated into the rest of the system. It's a lot nicer than having to mount -t smbfs //blah/blah -o username=blah,password=blah,workgroup=blah /mnt/blah.

      If I could code more than a shell script, that's what I would focus on. Crap like that.

      Maybe some day they'll get it right.

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    33. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by lennier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, exactly!

      I use Ubuntu, I went cold turkey from Windows eleven years ago with Red Hat 5... and I'm *still* just deeply frustrated at how many silly little things aren't on anyone's priority list to get fixed.

      Not only that, most of the big projects (KDE, GNOME, OpenOffice) seem to have a definite philosophy of 'that's NOT broken and we WON'T fix it!' for things which quite patently ARE broken.

      Let's pass over with all decent haste the absolutely insane affair of 'spatial windows' in Nautilus (wtf? Windows 95 Explorer had a 'spatial' mode, it was just smart enough to *also* offer a tree browsing view for people who wanted to do serious file management) and give thanks that the Ubuntu people at least had the insight to override the GNOME people and turn *that* craziness off.

      Let's ignore for now the equally insane rush to *remove* copy-pastable file path text fields from dialog boxes and replace them with un-automatable candy-bar strips of buttons. Because, um, nobody uses keyboards anymore? I guess that's a step 'forward'. (Oh, yes, there's a magic hidden alt-key to bring up the real text field... but you'll never know what it is, because we don't talk about that.)

      Let's also be thankful that *finally* some 'fully packaged' applications *now* start putting in menu entries.

      No, let's talk about the more serious issues: how there are about five separate, incompatible 'official' object systems (GObject, CORBA/Bonobo, D-BUS, KParts, Firefox's XPCom, OpenOffice's UNO) before we even think about .NET/Mono or Java integration.

      How there's still no sensible shared configuration system - after a zillion false starts, we still have gconf (two versions of) for GNOME, and the horde of weird formats in /etc for everyone else. Different /etc layout for each distribution, of course, despite what FHS tried to do.

      How although we have X, which is fully networkable, if your X Server crashes - by definition a component which could be *on another machine entirely* - then ALL YOUR RUNNING X APPLICATIONS have to be restarted! The best feature of X, completely subverted just by bad 'standard' configuration.

      And yes, how every 'desktop environment' insists on reinventing the API wheel and building 'virtual filesystems' ON TOP OF its own API rather than making them available to the Posix level with something like FUSE.

      And then there's the pain of device management, like webcams. If it autodetects at startup, it'll probably work. If not.... good luck.

      I love Linux, but... we seem to be settling for far less than we had in the 80s, even. At least then we had dreams of what a desktop *could* be.

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    34. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1

      But I don't see a good reason why linux can't do to Windows what it did to traditional Unixes.

      I'm more skeptical for one simple reason: Linux replaced traditional Unix systems in the server room of your local corporation and research labs at your local university. Most people weren't running Solaris and AIX as desktop systems to browse facebook, pay the bills, and email vacation photos to their family.

      I see no reason Linux can't continue to eat away at Windows' market share in the server room. But I'm not convinced that Linux adoption is inevitable in any way in the desktop, laptop, or netbook areas.

    35. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have some chocolates!

    36. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The key characteristic of exponential growth is that the rate of growth is proportional to the value. If the rate is small, that just means you're on the left hand side of the curve.

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    37. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'm good with the understanding of what an exponential growth curve looks like. That's why I didn't ask "what's an exponential growth curve look like?"

      What I did ask for is a citation to support the assertion that the growth rate is - in fact - exponential.

    38. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by berashith · · Score: 1

      a mac isnt a computer, it is a lifestyle choice. We all know a crowd brings a crowd.

    39. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      And yet it's folks like you and me (I personally don't care one way or the other about open source aside from the fact that it works, I'd love to have one easily investigated platform to sell software on) who try to tell them this...

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    40. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Nursie · · Score: 1

      The tools are just different.

      What, you don't think UNIX admins have been doing that stuff since before windows even existed?

    41. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      You have an excellent point. I can't come up with any numbers at this moment, but I really wish I could. I'm not going to attempt to base my argument on statistics alone, but I do have a point in mind.

      Basically, what I see is Microsoft decelerating (but not falling backwards), and F/OSS accelerating. The rate of adoption of 'new products' on Microsoft's end doesn't appear to be increasing significantly, I would even dare to say that the install base has reached critical mass; Microsoft can't possibly, can't even hope to become more popular.

      Microsoft has become ubiquitous. Microsoft is known the world over. Microsoft is so insanely present, many people don't even know what Windows is, they think those squares that house their applications is just "part of the computer", if you'll forgive my anecdotes. It's a position that's debatable if any corporation deserves to be in, beyond even calling a refrigerator a "Fridge" because of Frigidaire, Windows doesn't even have a name anymore to many due to it's prevalence.

      At this point, Microsoft will have to make something, anything that is Holy Fuck Amazing. Windows is already stable enough to trust to every day computing, would making it more stable be any more impressive than Wine running Windows software or CUPS working with any printer?

      I hate Microsoft but I'll have to admit, Vista looks damned pretty and feels kinda nice to use when you get used to it, but what next? How much can Microsoft wow an audience that won't even try OS X or GNU/Linux exactly because they want the "same old thing"?

      Windows is generally easy to use, easy enough to learn, and there's enough people around to help you solve any problem, but what else can Microsoft possibly do to make it any easier without interfering with the old ways? How many times can they force people to adopt again?

      It's necessary for Microsoft to not innovate too quickly, to make too many changes no matter how useful they'll be. For every drastic change Microsoft attempts to make, they'll be making the stride that much in step with the competition.

      That's why they can't reinvent a more beautiful and efficient wheel; you might as well switch to OS X or GNU/Linux if you want to have to learn new things.

      The only argument left is ethics. People will eventually realize that Free Software is good for Humanity and the responsible choice for governments and institutions. It'll just be easier to realize it when there's finally a decent clone of Office and Photoshop.

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    42. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by value_added · · Score: 1

      People don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.

      Cute, but who the fuck is the marketer marketing to?

      Seems to me that the manufacture and sale of power tools is a big enough industry, and one that spends its marketing dollars a bit differently than someone selling soap, or a quarter-inch hole.

      The customers of DeWalt products, for example, would certainly balk at the notion of buying anything other than (or less than) a high quality tool. That would be one that's dependable, understandable, fixable, and works with their other tools. The very definition of the *nix philosophy, innit? People building or fixing houses aren't looking for quarter-inch holes any more than they're looking for a stay at the Holiday Inn.

      So while it's common enough for people to use the term "tool" in a vague, handwavy, and possibly disingenuous manner, referring to Windows and Macs (or the programs they run) as tools is valid only in conversations between people who have no idea what they're really talking about.

      Allow me an analogy. I cook, so when I'm hungry, I think about things like pots and pans, knives, stoves and ovens (in addition to carefully selected ingredients). Those are tools. You, on the other hand, would probably think of vending machines, room service, or a waiter at restaurant. Two very different discussions, doncha think?

    43. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1

      People don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.

      Not everyone. Some people want to show off their hole-making machine, others just want the perf. It's the difference between the well-equipped vs. the well-accessorised.

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    44. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 0, Troll

      People don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.

      I don't follow... can you rephrase that in a car analogy please?

    45. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by rohan972 · · Score: 1

      I use Ubuntu, I went cold turkey from Windows eleven years ago with Red Hat 5... and I'm *still* just deeply frustrated at how many silly little things aren't on anyone's priority list to get fixed.

      Red Hat 7.0 for me. I feel the same way, until I have to do some work on my brother in laws windows box. I'm not an IT pro, like most people I find it easier to use what I'm familiar with. Windows is too difficult, it doesn't even have decent package management. Third party applications will download automatically but won't install unless you are running with admin privileges. Limited user accounts can't initialise his 3G usb modem without running an app as admin, and even then if you switch to another users account that will disconnect and have to be done again. Seriously, if things as basic as updating software and connecting to the internet aren't done right ...

      That doesn't mean we shouldn't reach for higher standards, but I find the difficulties of linux to be overrated, comparatively.

    46. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1

      Cute, but who the fuck is the marketer marketing to?

      Why so defensive?

      DeWalt, Makita, and dozens of other hardware manufacturers would certainly like you to buy their product, and they will certainly try to differentiate those products in the minds of consumers based on price, quality, capability, cordlessness, torque, and dozens of other "features". But you miss the point entirely, which is this:

      Nobody buys a drill if they don't (or won't, in the case of carpenters) need to make a hole. You may choose a DeWalt drill because of their reputation for quality & durability, but you won't buy ANY drill if you don't need to make a hole.

      Your analogy about cooking simply underscores this. Cooking is one "solution" to the "problem" of being hungry. Other solutions certainly include restaurants, vending machines, and room service, frozen meals, and personal chefs.

      Referring to Windows & Macs as "tools" is perfectly valid, as is calling Linux a "tool". They are not necessarily tools that solve the same needs, and this is what you don't seem to understand. You see a computer, and you think "I could do a million different things with that, all I need is open software to make it work." Others see a computer and think, "I just want to manage my photos, and send an occasional email, and browse the web."

      Their choice in tools may be what you would consider a $5.99 crap-tastic clearance bin special, but if it does the job they need it to do, is it any less suitable for their purpose because *you* don't approve?

    47. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1

      Would it make you feel better if I allowed an exception for your objection? For the vast majority of people (those who aren't obsessive collectors of shit they have no need for), the point stands:

      If you don't need to drill a hole, you're not going to buy a drill of any type.

    48. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 1
      Fair enough. I was curious because I hadn't heard anything about specific growth rates of Linux, and was very curious to know if you had seen a study showing an exponential growth rate over a statistically significant portion of time.

      That said, I think your optimism may turn out to be somewhat misplaced for several reasons:
      1. Microsoft has a hell of a lot of inertia behind it. If they simply "keep up" with everybody else feature-wise, they could coast simply on market share for a long time, given the simple fact that it's easier for most to just stick with what they know - if there's no compelling reason to switch to Linux or OS X, why go to all the trouble?
      2. I think as viable replacements for Windows go, Mac OS X is the product to beat. The only thing it doesn't fully offer is the free / open nature of Linux. It's Unix, it has a reasonably attractive GUI & is generally easy to use, it's stable, and it has a mostly-deserved reputation for stability & security. Linux goes one step further on the free & open axis, but in my experience, the GUI & ease of use don't stack up, and for the majority of users, that's going to be a deal breaker.

      That's why they can't reinvent a more beautiful and efficient wheel; you might as well switch to OS X or GNU/Linux if you want to have to learn new things.

      I agree; however, I think it's quite likely (given the current state of things) that more people will choose to switch to OS X than will choose to switch to Linux.

      The only argument left is ethics. People will eventually realize that Free Software is good for Humanity and the responsible choice for governments and institutions. It'll just be easier to realize it when there's finally a decent clone of Office and Photoshop.

      I disagree with this statement. I don't think "Free Software" is necessarily a better choice for governments & institutions - it's putting the emphasis in the wrong place; I think "open standards" are where the government focus should lie -- don't discourage commercial software vendors from participating in government contracts, simply specify that they must meet "Rigorous Industry Standards X, Y, and Z, and any deviations from that standard will be grounds for rejecting a bid."

      And really, for people who aren't software engineers themselves, the "free software is good" argument is fairly weak. It may be the right thing to do in principle, but nobody's going to make that choice if it means "the software is free, but it doesn't do what I need it to do."

      If the free software is as capable (or more capable) then the commercial alternatives, it will flourish anyway - see Apache, Tomcat, Perl, Linux (at least in the server space), Eclipse, MySQL, Python, and numerous other free / open source tools & applications. But if it is not as capable - see sourceforge.net's graveyard of abandoned & half-finished projects - don't expect people to sacrifice functionality they need or want for someone else's freedom to poke around in the code.

    49. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Well, no, because there were hardly any UNIX deployments with hundreds or thousands of machines sitting under peoples' desks.

      What tools on UNIX?

      There's a difference between managing a set of UNIX servers and managing a thousand UNIX workstations. Any deployments of this type were surely using customized management software built in-house or outsourced. And none of it free, and none of it for Linux.

      You name me a linux based set of management tools that even come close to what you can get with Windows out of the box and I'll listen. Otherwise you're just full of shit because before Windows existed, it was centralized computing with many users connecting with dumb terminals to a server or two in the computer center.

      The only thing that comes close to anything like this is Novell's Xenworks, and it only works on their Linux distribution with their closed-source software. So what about something that can run on any Linux? Enlighten us all.

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    50. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      Device management, srsly. I have a little application for hardware drivers on my Ubuntu system. How handy! Except that it's only to manage proprietary drivers.

      Bad "standard" configuration? You mean X can be configured to not take all the apps with it when it dies? How?

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    51. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by westlake · · Score: 1
      "Dosen't an expert need to set up Linux?" "No, it's quick and easy!" (show a YAST or GRUB GUI installation)

      Heathkit is thirty years dead.

      The geek needs to spend an evening watching the Home Shopping Network demo tech. The HP TouchSmart or Dell Adamo. The system that ships to your door ready-to-run. That is sold with a warranty, an in-home service contract and a toll-free number for technical support.

      "Can I change the way it looks?" "Sure, much more than Vista or OSX!" (quickly show a wide variety of theme shots)

      More trouble than it's worth.

      "How do I install software?" "Look, it's easy. Everything is at your fingertips." (show the GUI apt-get)

      The GUI had damn well better be putting up more than a BBS file name and a one line description. The Windows "repository" is rich in screen shots, editorial reviews, user reviews, templates and tutorials.

      The Windows repository doesn't come with a lecture on the virtues of open source. If you want the licensed proprietary drivers for your Blu-Ray drive that is not going to be a problem.

      "Does Linux work with different hardware?"

      The question is whether Linux will work with his hardware.

      "Can I run my Windows programs on Linux?" "Yes you can."

      Sometimes. Not always.

      they should mention the freedom that users will have to do whatever they want with their computer

      The geek needs to ask whether users feel in any way constrained by Windows. The geek needs to ask if he is even speaking the same language.

    52. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Red Hat 7.0 for me. I feel the same way, until I have to do some work on my brother in laws windows box. I'm not an IT pro, like most people I find it easier to use what I'm familiar with. Windows is too difficult, it doesn't even have decent package management. Third party applications will download automatically but won't install unless you are running with admin privileges. Limited user accounts can't initialise his 3G usb modem without running an app as admin, and even then if you switch to another users account that will disconnect and have to be done again. Seriously, if things as basic as updating software and connecting to the internet aren't done right ...

      Bull. Shit.

      That is all.

    53. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      This isn't a jab at you or anything, but for the longest time I always thought ads were lame for just this reason. Ads a few decades ago were somewhat more intelligent, they would actually talk about a product and list some specific reasons why it was better than another product. While of course the points that were made were sometimes silly and skewed and not at all true, at least these were more competitive and intelligent.

      Then came the newer ads, the ones that thought it was cooler to completely ignore the competing product and instead merely state that their product was "cool". Of course "cool" is a ridiculous concept to the intelligent, but to the general public, they care, you're completely right. Linux users, many of which are geeks and don't care about "being cool", will have a hard time marketing to the "cool crowd", indeed. Linux, fortunately, has grown enough to grab attention from many who do care about being cool, and there are a lot of cool things about Linux.

      Just so long as Linux development remembers to care about the really important things, like gaining developers and making development easier, making fundamental aspects of the OS easier for everyone (*ahem*installing drivers without compiling*cough*easy cross-distro program installation aka basic package portability), and in general making the average computer user's life easier (and the non-average user's life too), as well as being "cool", with your 3D desktop and your sleek black PS3s (which can barely do anything anyway due to hypervisor poop).

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    54. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe _UNIX_ admins.. but I seriously doubt before Windows existed. Mass UNIX deployments before Windows... hhmmm? Do you consider rsh/for loop to be centralized management?

    55. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      People don't want cars. They want to get from point A to point B nice and quick and maybe do so in a little bit of style.

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    56. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      I just find it really sad that, at the very least even if you do have a reason for some other system that does a similar thing, that's still no excuse to not make it play nicely with some standard interface. In other words, modularity. Stop making stacks of software. Software stack = lack of choice and freedom, hard to use, wasted effort, and I'm sure you could mention several other things. In other words, fragmentation. Competition is fine and good, but make it all compatible with standardized APIs so that switching is easy, and your development effort can be, you know, actually utilized by others instead of everything on top of your "stack" being wasted if your program dies off.

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    57. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      I agree we need to get out there and show the masses that 'hey your looking at switching to a mac look here first' Tell them that Mac is Linux' prissy cousin and show how it can do everything they do and so much more.

      ROFLMAO

      DoesntGetIt(TM)

    58. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      I know they're screwed in the bad way (pineapple...or spiked mace...you get the idea) and of course that's unfortunate, and this isn't any consolation, but that's what they get for buying an Apple product, don't expect it to work 100% with non-Apple products. I wouldn't go out and buy a Windows Mobile cell phone and 100% expect it to work on a Mac. Not that I would touch either of those things any way, just making a point.

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    59. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by rohan972 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bull. Shit.

      That is all.

      Well, let's go over the claims I made so you can point out exactly what you don't believe then.

      Red Hat 7.0 for me. I feel the same way, until I have to do some work on my brother in laws windows box.
      Are you claiming I didn't start with RH 7.0, that I don't feel the same way as lennier about the flaws of linux distros or that my feelings don't change when I work on my brother in laws windows box?

      I'm not an IT pro, like most people I find it easier to use what I'm familiar with.
      Are you claiming that I am an IT pro, or that most people find it easier to use something they are unfamiliar with?

      Windows is too difficult, it doesn't even have decent package management.
      The statement of difficulty is a subjective judgement based on my own experience, so could you provide a link where I can download a package manager for windows comparable to what is available on linux distros? Something that with a single command or a few mouse clicks will update the whole system? I'd really appreciate it!

      Third party applications will download automatically but won't install unless you are running with admin privileges.
      So are you claiming that third party applications won't download updates or that those updates will install without admin privileges? Because thunderbird and firefox will download updates but neither will install them unless I do it as admin. Again, if you can tell me how so set them to autoupdate without running as admin, I'll appreciate it.

      Limited user accounts can't initialise his 3G usb modem without running an app as admin, and even then if you switch to another users account that will disconnect and have to be done again.
      It's a Telstra Turbo 7 Series Modem. I don't have it with me so I can't tell you what it is rebranded from. To connect you use the Telstra Turbo Connection Manager software which exits with an access violation error if it is run without admin rights. Logging out or switching user from the account it was started from (either using runas or if it was started from an admin login) closes the connection. The Telstra Turbo Connection Manager software must be closed in that account to successfully run it from another account. I have read that the connection settings can be used without the software but have not been successful doing so. Again, if you can solve that for me, I'd be grateful, it is in no way "bullshit" though. I'd willingly admit the problem may lie with me being unfamiliar with MS Windows but I've spent hours trying to get it to work in a more suitable fashion.

      Seriously, if things as basic as updating software and connecting to the internet aren't done right ...
      So do you think updating software and connecting to the internet are not basic functions? You don't have any reason at all for your comment. Windows and linux both have benefits and flaws, and from a linux users perspective the difficulties of using windows are non-trivial. Mostly you don't hear about it because many linux users are IT pros who are also familiar with windows. For those of us who aren't, it is a quite difficult system to use.

      All who think that linux users aren't helpful (RTFM) please take note of the above posters response to me having trouble using windows.

    60. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      so... what you're saying is, people want to set up a new printer after all?

      I'm confused.

    61. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Bronster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ads a few decades ago were somewhat more intelligent, they would actually talk about a product and list some specific reasons why it was better than another product.

      Good for you 1%er that you prefer those ads. Now - I wonder why we don't see many of those any more... you'd almost think, I dunno, that they didn't work as effectively or something. Colour me shocked.

    62. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by koiransuklaa · · Score: 1

      Then again, when you do setup things (such as dual monitors) on Debian, things will just work. I see my girlfriend fighting with her Windows laptop about 50% of the time she plugs an additional monitor to it -- sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, and no amount of configuration tweaking* seems to change this.

      *) and don't get me started on the windows dual screen configuration programs: the one in Windows itself is mostly sane, it just often doesn't do what it should and you end up using the programs provided by the graphics chip manufacturer. I've seen a few of those and every single one has been pure UI horror.

    63. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Gnome and kde should be mounting with smbfs. Its easy to do as a user. Just use sudo.

    64. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      "Dosen't an expert need to set up Linux?" "No, it's quick and easy!" (show a YAST or GRUB GUI installation) "Can I change the way it looks?" "Sure, much more than Vista or OSX!" (quickly show a wide variety of theme shots) "How do I install software?" "Look, it's easy. Everything is at your fingertips." (show the GUI apt-get) "Does Linux work with different hardware?" "Of course." (show rapid-fire shots of CUPS recognition, multiple monitors, etc.) "Can I run my Windows programs on Linux?" "Yes you can." (show WINE in action)

      Your ad has me wanting to gouge my eyes and ears out within the first 10 seconds. That's not a good thing.

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    65. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you really think about it, the quarter-inch hole isn't what you actually want either. What you want is probably a place to hang a painting. So yeah, focusing on the drill is silly, but focusing on the hole might simply be one degree less silly, but silly nonetheless.

    66. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by theCoder · · Score: 1

      That's easy. Imagine you're a normal person (OK, that might be hard for the /. crowd). You want to buy a new computer. Your choices are Vista or Mac. More than 90% of people out there are never going to replace the OS (and that's not necessarily a bad thing). I know what I'm doing, and I'm usually a little nervous when I format the drive. But for the average person, if you don't want Vista (for whatever reason), you can get a Mac or nothing.

      It's true there are more ways to get a Linux machine retail now, such as netbooks. But for laptops or desktops for normal people, it's Vista or Mac. As Vista becomes less popular, it's only natural for Mac to become more popular.

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    67. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an animated collage of irrelevant crap.

    68. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 1

      IBM had some decent ones awhile back. They should do some new ones. I've always liked IBM's advertisements.

    69. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by waveclaw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Handyman's rule: all tools are hammers except chisels which are screwdrivers. What you buy something for may not be what it gets used to do.

      Harvard Business School professor Theodore Levitt:

      People don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole.

      Then explain the number of pristine, never to be used and decidedly overpowered tools sitting in many 'crasftsman' garages? I always felt Levitt was missing the mark. A lot of purchase decisions are about having the rights quarter-inch drill, regardless of its utility for making holes.

      People will buy a car to drive on a road, but what car they buy and why may have nothing at all to do with driving. Operating Systems today are not a choice about practicality or functionality, but of style and ethos. The hobbyist feel and methods of Linux are not that far removed from the home mechanic tinkering with his hot rod that never leaves the driveway.

      Linux won't garner marketshare based on being the quarter-inch hole maker of Personal Computers. We have Macs and corporate-desktop Windows for that.

      Linux.com has to differentiate Linux from its competitors and show that it's the sexiest drill in the cabinet. Pasty nerds arguing over the last donut doesn't do either of these. Honestly, Ubuntu's graphics artists and Novell's XGL efforts did more to make people say "I want that on my computer" than 5 years of making Office 20XD6 work a little better on crappy hardware.

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    70. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Hatta · · Score: 1

      You seemed to imply that a small growth rate was not characteristic of exponential growth. I was merely trying to correct this common misperception.

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    71. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by tequila13 · · Score: 1

      It's funny how some people feel that they _must_ spread Linux. Even at the cost of ridiculing the other options. I mean it's not like Linux is perfect and the rest are flawed in every aspect.

    72. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Wow, in a discussion about how shit doesn't work like it should without going geek on it, you tell me to use "sudo."

      Wonderful.

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    73. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Oh, I don't take it as a personal jab at all. I'm not in the advertising business. :) I've done various things, where I've been exposed to a lot of different things.

          Ads aren't designed for a minority target audience. They want to get the most "bang" for their buck. The number one thing is that sex sells. The number two thing is that you have to get and keep the viewer's attention. They test ideas through focus groups initially, and then through the return on the investment.

          The Seminole Hard Rock Casino in Tampa recently added blackjack. They have 3 major things to do. Slot machines, poker, and blackjack. I've seen a couple billboards. They have a beautiful woman on one side, showing plenty of skin. Beside her, it says "SLOTS", as well as poker and blackjack, and of course the company name. Seeing that billboard, I see a beautiful woman showing lots of skin, and "sluts" written beside her. I now know that there are hot chicks that I can get with at the casino.

          Why did they advertise it this way, instead of saying there are 50 blackjack tables, they're playing with 5 decks, etc, etc? Because they don't need to. Guys will go, with the hint that there are hot women. Women will go because they feel they're hot too, and that's where the hot women go. The reality is, there are some attractive people. There are also an awful lot of retirees sitting at the slots all day, hoping to strike it rich.

          I was trying to find a picture of the billboard. On a news story for it, there was an ad for the Flamingo casino/resort in Las Vegas.

      http://spe.atdmt.com/ds/HCHEIHARNBAO/3133_FLV_300x250.jpg?ver=1. I know where I want to go. They have hot chicks too! :)

          By listing out, or doing a good description of what they're selling, they would only be marketing to a very small percentage of the audience. This way, they're marketing to the broader, but stupider, audience. Stupid people are easier to seduce with an advertisement. Smarter people actually research a product. Have you ever bought an item, just because it was shown in an ad? Probably not. We'll research it first, and then if it's a good value, we'll purchase it. If it doesn't work as advertised, we'll return it, and/or not buy the newer one.

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    74. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Americano · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Then explain the number of pristine, never to be used and decidedly overpowered tools sitting in many 'crasftsman' garages?

      That's your hobbyist community. For whom Linux is probably the right choice. They may not NEED that drill, but by god they can sleep comfortably at night knowing that if they ever need to drill a million holes, that high-end Makita drill hanging on the wall is right there. How is that any different than the Open Source advocate claiming: "I may not ever personally modify the code. But I want the ABILITY to do so if I so desire."?

      The vast majority of the market for a particular piece of hardware is NOT the hobbyist/collector who has money to burn. It's the carpenter, or homeowner, who actually needs the tool to accomplish something. Of the 6-7 billion people on the planet, what percentage have the resources & interest to spend $500 on a single drill they will never use? (answer: Not a large percentage.) Of the 6-7 billion people on the planet, what percentage have the time & interest to change & recompile their own kernel? (answer: Not a large percentage.)

      Linux won't garner marketshare based on being the quarter-inch hole maker of Personal Computers.

      The point was not that "Linux should bill itself as the quarter-inch hole maker." The point is, Linux needs to decide what problems it's the best solution for, and market itself by showing how it solves them for real problems people have.

      If you focus on the tool itself, you will not gain desktop market share. You will always remain a desktop platform for hobbyists, tinkerers, and tech-savvy people with time to spare twiddling bits.

    75. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Wow, in a discussion about how shit doesn't work like it should without going geek on it, you tell me to use "sudo." Wonderful.

      No, gnome would use sudo. All it needs is one line allowing one gnome script to run as root. Once written it should work okay.

    76. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      You miss the point entirely..

      When I browse a share on a network server, I should be able to double-click those files and open them without having to jump through hoops.

      It works on Windows, MacOS, shit it even worked on OS/2. Yet for some reason I'm still expected to write a shell script on Linux and that's deemed as OK to you. Boggles my mind.

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    77. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I've had some trouble with multi-monitor setups on Windows but usually I stay away from the 3rd party apps from nVidia and such and use the built-in Windows applet. The only time I use the nVidia one is to set something special perhaps, like enable the display or set up custom resolutions. I use the Windows applet to select the primary screen and set positioning and such.

      I haven't had much trouble setting up dual displays under Linux but that's because I'm good at working with such things. Generally speaking, built-in tools to perform those tasks are non-existent or broken. Partly because of crap binary drivers, partly because nobody seems to care that it's not user friendly.

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    78. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      You miss the point entirely.. When I browse a share on a network server, I should be able to double-click those files and open them without having to jump through hoops. It works on Windows, MacOS, shit it even worked on OS/2. Yet for some reason I'm still expected to write a shell script on Linux and that's deemed as OK to you. Boggles my mind.

      No, not at all. Currently in gnome when you want to browse a network share gnome creates a virtual file system connection which only works for gnome applications. Instead of that gnome could use sudo to mount the network share. The user doesn't have to do it. Just the shell/desktop environment.

    79. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by cbreaker · · Score: 1

      Oh oh oh so you were actually agreeing with me. Hah, sorry. I didn't understand.

      Yea, that's what I think too. And actually, you don't need to be root to mount a filesystem that doesn't require kernel access. So yea, I totally wish they would drop the Gnome virtual crap, and KDE drop the KDE virtual crap, and just create a mounted filesystem for the share. Everything would work with it, no matter what kind of app.

      Even though we've gone a little off topic here, this is a prime example of just getting it wrong when the right way is obvious and totally doable. There's a lot of missing links in Linux on the Desktop like this. It's unfortunate.

      But, I do love Linux and I remain optimistic for the future.

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    80. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > "People don't give a fuck about computers."

      Excuse me, but you are so wrong that you are perpendicular to the truth. If people don't care about computers, why is the founder of a software company the richest man in the world? Why do device and software commercials wave the new features of their shiny new toys about? Why do we even have the concept of a demo?

      I've met people from all positions along the spectrum from muggle to geek, but one constant has remained: when I get an actual Linux computer in front of their eyeballs and let them watch me use it for five minutes, their comment is always "Wow! That's cool!" Every time. 100%. Then they want one. Even if they don't want to switch at the time, they at least see why some people do.

      Even when they see me handle a problem from the command line, (like fixing the filenames of the 1000 mp3s in their collection so they're more readable), they at last get it. They go from "command lines are evil" to "command lines are powerful as hell if you know what you're doing. Now I see what all the fuss is about."

      In contrast to Americano's response below: If all people cared about was a quarter-inch hole, they'd just chew the hole through with their teeth. They do want to buy the drill, because the drill makes the job easier. If you had a Portal-gun that could make any-size hole without needing to bother switching bits and without having to sweep up sawdust afterwards and at a cheaper price, you're telling me people would stick with drills???

      Delusions, delusions, delusions.

    81. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      No, the apps can, in theory...
      There is only one that I heard could actually do it, but keep in mind that it Eventually Mallocs All Core Storage.

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    82. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I dream we used something in between CDDL, QPL, SISL, LGPL v3, and the LaTeX license. No more Affero variants for networked apps, just better wording. You have the right to distribute the app with your modifications only if it matches the original project specification, and/or the official standard(s), otherwise, it's back to tarballs and patches for you and your users. Good separation of concerns, no more excessive viral licensing, but making damn sure everybody is contributing back (on a per-[file/class/object/aspect/function/*] basis).
      Damn it, RMS, get it right for a change!

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    83. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Can't you wrap up the drivers with some source glue and inline the binaries, compile, and run all the drivers that you need in one big one?

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    84. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      Ya, that was my point, that society is dumb and cares about being "cool" and the good feeling they get by knowing that what you have has been labeled as being approved and "cool", and that's all that matters, or so they want you to think.

      Lame.

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    85. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      I think you have it right to some degree, I think you've identified a major hole, and that's a good idea. Standards greatly effects your freedom. What I see happening is lots of Linux companies making basically "proprietary Linux" software stacks. Yeah, it's not completely locked down, yes you can still run Linux binaries on any Linux distros thankfully. The problem is they each force their own packages to be required if you want to do automatic software updates and such through the package system, or if you want to even THINK about replacing something that you have installed. Simple binary packs are indeed just annoying for so many reasons. Want to try out a new version of X? You can't, good fucking luck. Even if you use binary installers for things that you *can* install that don't conflict with other things on your system, it's annoying because they'd need to put an uninstall icon in the menu.

      The problems are all very solvable, but distro companies aren't interested in playing nicely with those solutions, they'd rather have the large sizes of their repos and such be a "feature" to attract users from other distros. Sad sad. Until Linux makes software installation as easy as on Windows, Linux will be held back and users won't be truly free.

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    86. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by Bronster · · Score: 1

      Sorry - you had some way of changing how people are? Or were you wishful thinking that the universe worked differently than it actually does, because that tends not to work well in engineering, and funnily enough it doesn't work so well in marketing either...

    87. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Unless we make a ebuild2port* converter, and tweak pkgsrc to be able to build cross-distribution RPMs and DEBs.

      * - An ebuild is a Gentoo Portage package. A port is a FBSD Ports Tree package. A pkg is a NBSD pkgsrc package. There does exist a port2pkg converter already, so I thought that as long as we're a it, we might as well give FBSD a hand as well, and not just NBSD.

      Though I really think that the community needs such a license in order to effectively (under legal threat, that is) prevent scope/feature creep and fragmentation. Take a good look at those licenses in Wikipedia, and you'll understand better. That is, if you haven't already.

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    88. Re:And that so sums up Linux... by idfubar · · Score: 0

      I think your post is vulgar; I could equally characterize your post (and zero-sum attitude) as a sort of "violent nerd porn", akin to a sentiment expressed by someone who gets his jollies seeing others being choked or shat on. Within the context of your own analogy: how is it that consumers chose one car brand over another when making a purchase? Are the countless hours spent washing, maintaining, (or even enjoying) because "it isn't doing what they want it to do"? How would you explain America's love affair with the road, the countless monthly automobile publications and thousands of communities which center around nothing more than a common love of automobiles?

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  4. Already Slashdotted by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Funny

    Already Slashdotted, 2009-03-18, 11:36 AM PDT

    1. Re:Already Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      PDT? What's that as a unix timestamp

    2. Re:Already Slashdotted by mdm-adph · · Score: 4, Funny

      1237394160000

      I know it was a joke, but I really couldn't help myself.

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    3. Re:Already Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Linux" and "hilarious but inappropriate" video?

      RIP

    4. Re:Already Slashdotted by Barryke · · Score: 1

      http://video.linuxfoundation.org/index.html

      Aarrg, the Slashdot effect... be back in a bit

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    5. Re:Already Slashdotted by Savione · · Score: 1

      You have died. Would you like your possessions identified?

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    6. Re:Already Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1237394160000

      I must be new here, because I don't get it???

    7. Re:Already Slashdotted by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1
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  5. Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The original "Penguin" from the old Batman TV series would be a great Linux spokesperson.

    1. Re:Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by VGPowerlord · · Score: 0, Redundant

      The original "Penguin" from the old Batman TV series would be a great Linux spokesperson.

      Sorry, but Burgess Meredith died over a decade ago.

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    2. Re:Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by Methlin · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The original "Penguin" from the old Batman TV series would be a great Linux spokesperson.

      Sorry, but Burgess Meredith died over a decade ago.

      Somehow I think that was the point.

    3. Re:Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      The original "Penguin" from the old Batman TV series would be a great Linux spokesperson.

      Sorry, but Burgess Meredith died over a decade ago.

      DROP THAT FISH!

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    4. Re:Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Is that supposed to mean something? I wanted to post ascii art of your joke flying over my head, but the filter got in the way (too bad) (anyone who responds with "woosh" is totally redundant, and will probably be modded funny as a result of this parenthetical).

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    5. Re:Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by sunami · · Score: 1

      WOOSH

    6. Re:Too bad he's dead, but Burgess Meredith by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Grumpy Old Men - one of his later roles, and he was really funny in it.

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  6. Link to youtube videos by sarahbau · · Score: 1

    Anyone happen to get the links to the videos on YouTube? I was only able to watch one before the site stopped responding.

    1. Re:Link to youtube videos by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here's one (the one the submitter called one of the better ones):

      Challenges at the Office

      Some of the other ones are under the related videos.

    2. Re:Link to youtube videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is the "hilarious but inappropriate" one. The other two are NOT on Youtube, acually, but as far as I can tell, they're here and here, respectively, in wget-able FLV glory.

    3. Re:Link to youtube videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I gave up after about 25 seconds with the "hilarious but inappropriate" one. I failed to see any hilarious.

    4. Re:Link to youtube videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    5. Re:Link to youtube videos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      here is the 2nd "better one" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svaHnha-PXs

    6. Re:Link to youtube videos by alex4u2nv · · Score: 1

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-22EpQOm8c

      I think my favourite is the south park version.

    7. Re:Link to youtube videos by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 1

      the 2nd one seems like it would be a good one... but would definitely need to be redone in english and with a better looking tux costume.

    8. Re:Link to youtube videos by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Do any of these involve trebuchet, beer, and bar maids?

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    9. Re:Link to youtube videos by drhacktacular · · Score: 1

      This one is by far the best ads in that contest: Around The World

    10. Re:Link to youtube videos by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      That's one of the better ones? Oh dear.

    11. Re:Link to youtube videos by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Those are great! They both made me chuckle. I'd say the 'hospital' one is better. Reminded me slightly of the old 3dfx videos from around 1997 or 1998.

      Here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmaYH1F6kho

      Those guys did awesome advertising.

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    12. Re:Link to youtube videos by viperblades · · Score: 1

      this is a good example of why companies that have lots of money hire marketing companies. after seeing that i DONT want to run linux, i want to stay away from linux.

      'would you like to be associated with t is group of losers?'
      i mean fighting over the last donut? really?

      its like the anti-drug videos in school. be like this group dorks who dont do drugs and dress like your parents!

    13. Re:Link to youtube videos by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

      I agree.

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    14. Re:Link to youtube videos by AstronomicUID · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the Hollywood disease. "This needs to be redone in english and better looking"

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  7. Slackware by flyingfsck · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Slackware was the Daddy. Like the God Amen, Slackware created himself.

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    1. Re:Slackware by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Like the God Amen, Slackware created himself.

      I thought that was Gentoo.

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    2. Re:Slackware by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, Linux from Scratch created himself...from scratch.

    3. Re:Slackware by CarpetShark · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought that was Gentoo.

      No, Gentoo is the future incarnation, which is yet to finish creating itself.

    4. Re:Slackware by Daravon · · Score: 5, Funny

      "And Lo! The Lord did sayeth 'emerge earth' and he did wait five days and five nights. Verily he did then adjust his holy USE flags, and then did emerge again!"

      Spoiler alert, he eventually created the world after spending a lot of time compiling from source. Later, on the forums, he bragged he did it in seven days and that everybody who couldn't do it that was either a noob or needed a faster computer.

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    5. Re:Slackware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/created/bootstrapped/

    6. Re:Slackware by pbhj · · Score: 5, Funny

      "And Lo! The Lord did sayeth 'emerge earth' and he did wait five days and five nights. Verily he did then adjust his holy USE flags, and then did emerge again!"

      Spoiler alert, he eventually created the world after spending a lot of time compiling from source. Later, on the forums, he bragged he did it in seven days and that everybody who couldn't do it that was either a noob or needed a faster computer.

      That came back to bite him when he had to do a zero write flood and clean install from a huge arkive (sounds like Ubu' to me).

    7. Re:Slackware by Tetsujin · · Score: 2, Funny

      "And Lo! The Lord did sayeth 'emerge earth' and he did wait five days and five nights. Verily he did then adjust his holy USE flags, and then did emerge again!"

      Spoiler alert, he eventually created the world after spending a lot of time compiling from source. Later, on the forums, he bragged he did it in seven days and that everybody who couldn't do it that was either a noob or needed a faster computer.

      Imagine His surprise upon learning that one of His angels had the evil bit set...

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    8. Re:Slackware by drachenstern · · Score: 1

      shouldn't that be like 'fan'gels or something to keep in line with the forums theme? Just saying is all...

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    9. Re:Slackware by JWSmythe · · Score: 2, Interesting

          Praise be brother.

          Actually, that's one of those things people don't get. Slack has been around the longest, and is still the most table and unmolested distro there is. They've been doing it right for years, while others have come and gone.

         

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    10. Re:Slackware by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

          Praise be brother.

          Actually, that's one of those things people don't get. Slack has been around the longest, and is still the most table and unmolested distro there is. They've been doing it right for years, while others have come and gone.

       

      I've no use for tables. The real question is, can it graph?

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    11. Re:Slackware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And on the eigth day some on the forum asked him: "But why didn't you just install the .rpm? If you'd done that you could have been resting the whole week!"

      - Peder

    12. Re:Slackware by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      "And Lo! The Lord did sayeth 'emerge earth' and he did wait five days and five nights. Verily he did then adjust his holy USE flags, and then did emerge again!"

      Spoiler alert, he eventually created the world after spending a lot of time compiling from source. Later, on the forums, he bragged he did it in seven days and that everybody who couldn't do it that was either a noob or needed a faster computer.

      Imagine His surprise upon learning that one of His angels had the evil bit set...

      He should have created chmod before vi.

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    13. Re:Slackware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Then the Deamon sayith "make world" and wooptieth it was doneith.

    14. Re:Slackware by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Dammit, typo. stable. :)

          And yes, it can. :) I've used both MRTG, RRDTool, and OpenOffice to make graphs. :) There are other tools, of course.

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      Serious? Seriousness is well above my pay grade.
    15. Re:Slackware by theillien · · Score: 1

      Makes me think of http://xkcd.com/224/. Although, it doesn't directly follow the thread.

    16. Re:Slackware by David+Gould · · Score: 4, Funny

      Imagine His surprise upon learning that one of His angels had the evil bit set...

      And thus was the first daemon spawned.

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    17. Re:Slackware by Requiem18th · · Score: 1

      No the real question is, does it blend?

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    18. Re:Slackware by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "He should have created chmod before vi."

      A mere mortal questioning God? I think I work with you ;-)

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    19. Re:Slackware by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      Imagine His surprise upon learning that one of His angels had the evil bit set...

      Actually, that was the sticky bit. But after porn developed, the sticky bit got reassigned to mean evil.

  8. I'm slashdotted? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm getting "failed to connect" errors on every one of those links.

  9. Didn't Novell already do this? by argent · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Funny

      Shhhh!! It's just a talent contest for the geeks who didn't get to be in one in high school. Don't spoil their chance to wear a nice gown and walk down the aisle just once.

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    2. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by Galois2 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Two years ago?

      That is a funny reply to the Mac ad series, but have people already forgotten the great linux ad which *preceded* either the Mac or PC ad series? Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4 It includes Mohommad Ali, Sylvia Nasar, Penny Marshall, and former UCLA basketball coach John Wooden.

    3. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by BenjiTheGreat98 · · Score: 1

      I may sound like a huge nerd, but every time I see that commercial, but it gives me goose bumps at the end of it.

      Anybody else? Anybody? .....?

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    4. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by threeboy · · Score: 1

      Didn't we do this THREE years ago?

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    5. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Is it just me or are they channeling THX1138?

    6. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Commodore, twenty years ago
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3eLSnjiWYY

    7. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by argent · · Score: 1

      They'd be funnier if they were true.

      Mac: "Name something that's any good that came out of open source..."
      Linux: "Mac OS X?"
      Mac: "Oh yeh..."
      Linux: "Windows Networking?"
      PC: "Oh yeh..."
      Linux: "Porn..."
      Mac/PC: (!)
      Linux: "Oh yeh..."

    8. Re:Didn't Novell already do this? by rytier · · Score: 1

      Saw it first time now.. you're not alone, it definitely has some hidden power :-)

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  10. I am Linux by sunking2 · · Score: 4, Funny

    And apparently I don't serve out web pages any better than IIS.

    1. Re:I am Linux by kungfugleek · · Score: 1

      I am Slashdotted.

  11. Oops by castorvx · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're Linux, and our site is down.

    Linux marketing = epic win.

    1. Re:Oops by nobodylocalhost · · Score: 1

      Hahahahaha yes, linux marketing must pass the slashdot test first.

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    2. Re:Oops by jgtg32a · · Score: 2, Funny

      They should have used FreeBSD then the server wouldn't have gone down.

  12. Very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find this situation to be a very fitting analogy to the computing world as a whole. Apple does something that gets attention. Microsoft makes their cheap knockoff of it. Then the OSS/Linux guys come along and say "Hey, we can do that, too!"

    1. Re:Very fitting by Duradin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually it be more along the lines of someone suggesting to the Linux guys that they should do something and the Linux guys telling the person "go make the commercial yourself".

    2. Re:Very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well as usual with Linux, they show up late to the game and produce a half ass working team that people find unbearable to watch while the hardcore crowd yells at them for being peons.

      But hey we can criticize MS/Apple all day, but when it comes to Linux we have to treat them with special care because they 'do it for free'.

    3. Re:Very fitting by Galois2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well as usual with Linux, they show up late to the game

      Not quite -- the "he's linux" commercial preceeded either the Mac or PC ad series. Perhaps the only usual thing is that Apple and MS take undeserved credit.

      and produce a half ass working team that people find unbearable to watch while the hardcore crowd yells at them for being peons.

      I found http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4 to be a fully working team, coached by Wooden no less.

      But hey we can criticize MS/Apple all day, but when it comes to Linux we have to treat them with special care because they 'do it for free'.

      No, we can criticize MS because we've proven in court they illegally use their monopoly to extinguish competition in other areas, and Apple because they lock down both their hardware and software. Linux is the best open source OS there is, and anyone who cares about software freedom ought to care about it.

    4. Re:Very fitting by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Linux is the best open source OS there is, and anyone who cares about software freedom ought to care about it.

      OHAI!

      Seriously though, that's where flamewars come from...

    5. Re:Very fitting by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 0, Troll

      And you wonder why people tune out the Linux crowd.

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    6. Re:Very fitting by Galois2 · · Score: 1

      And you wonder why people tune out the Linux crowd.

      No, I don't wonder. I realize that MS has been effective as hoodwinking many people into believing they are a "good" monopoly.

      Or were you talking about the other part, you know, where I stated some facts about the ad campains? Well, facts are pesky things. I'm sorry the "He's linux" commercial that debuted during the Superbowl in 2004 predates the "I'm a Mac" (2006-) and "I'm a PC" (2007-) series. Fine, tune that out. Good luck with that.

    7. Re:Very fitting by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      I think it's more of a "TLDR" kind of issue: when Linux geeks start going on about the things M$ has done, the ignorant public gets bored, so they write Linux off as boring. What we need is a snappy little ad that can convey all this information in a few seconds, like a shot of the verdict in one of those EU v. M$ cases or something...

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    8. Re:Very fitting by Americano · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because nothing screams "must-see tv!" like a bunch of text from an EU court's findings against Microsoft scrolling across the screen. God, I can only imagine the sky-high ratings on that one - what a coup for Linux!

    9. Re:Very fitting by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Why are you bothering the users with shit they don't care about?

      Nobody gives a fuck about Microsoft being a monopoly. The people who that appeals to are the nerds who just don't like Microsoft. You need to appeal to regular people.

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      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    10. Re:Very fitting by Chutulu · · Score: 1

      and 99% of people doesn't care about "software freedom", only a OS that just works...

    11. Re:Very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't care less about Microsoft and their monopoly. I don't care if I have to pay for their software. I don't care if some Linux zealot thinks that I'm "not free". Microsoft makes an OS that runs everything I want and does everything I want. It's fast, it's stable and it's compatible. It's even secure, unless you're completely clueless and download shady stuff.

      I would also disagree about Linux being the best open source OS. It might have the largest and most vocal userbase of the open source operating systems, but it's not designed the way that I like and its (vocal) users are mostly a bunch of pompous morons who try to convince me to switch and think that I give a shit about what they have to say when I haven't solicited them for any information about Linux. They are like those jehovah witnesses who bother me and try to waste my time. I'd rather be "associated" with Microsoft's monopoly than a bunch of arrogant nutcases, thank you very much.

    12. Re:Very fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You, sir, are a troll.

      "Best open source OS" my foot.

  13. Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Apple We did it first and got a lot of attention doing it.
    Microsoft copies it and makes it their own.
    Linux jumps in and goes ME TOO!!!! ME TOO!!!!

    First Time it is cool
    Second time it is kinda background noise
    By the third time it gets pathetic, and over used.

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    1. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by ultrabot · · Score: 1

      By the third time it gets pathetic, and over used.

      I think the whole idea is to be a counterpoint to existing commercials.

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    2. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by x78 · · Score: 1

      Lighten up, eh!

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    3. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, if you actually watched the videos, most of the better ones have nothing to do with the "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" trope. It's quite refreshing, really.

    4. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by themacks · · Score: 1

      [fanboi whine]
      but this is different, its not
      I am a Linux
      its
      I am Linux
      [/fanboi whine]

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      i read about it in a blog once
    5. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by Xtifr · · Score: 1, Interesting

      First Time it is cool

      It's what?!? First time it was whiny, annoying, stupid, and borderline insulting. Second time it was just plain pathetic. Third time, it's so far over the top that it may actually become mildly amusing for the very first time. (Though I'm not holding my breath.)

      Will anyone who actually thought those stupid ads were "cool" please kill yourself and any offspring you may have? Do it for the good of the species. :)

    6. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was annoying and inaccurate the first time,
      then it was kinda lame.
      Now I don't know what to expect.

    7. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by yuriyg · · Score: 1

      Xerox PARC made the original commercial. I'm just saying.

    8. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by ajs · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, then that's your angle, right?

      Mac: Hi, I'm a Mac
      Linux: Well, you're not really a Mac, right?
      Mac: Of course I am.
      Linux: "Macs" [using air-quotes, here] now use PC processors and an operating system that's based on Unix and a user-interface that's derived from NeXT. They have about as much connection to the Mac that Apple introduced in 1984 as MTV has to music on television.
      PC: Heh
      Linux: And what are you laughing at?
      PC: Well, I'm a PC, so that just seemed sort of funny.
      Linux: You're not a PC.
      PC: OK, that's just not funny. I'm *the* PC
      Linux: A PC is a hardware platform. In fact, it's the same hardware platform that your friend, here, runs on. You're just Windows.
      PC: Alright smart guy; what are you then?
      Linux: I'm Linux
      PC/Mac: [unison] What's a Linux?
      Linux: I'm a clone of the Unix operating system that Mac is based on, but I run on just about anything more powerful than a calculator, including some of the most powerful supercomputers on Earth.
      Mac: Sounds like you're spread sort of thin.
      Linux: I wouldn't talk. You have versions that run on music players and cell-phones these days.
      [Mac shuffles feet]
      PC: Aren't you written by a bunch of college kids?
      Linux: I suppose the employees of IBM, the NSA, Oracle and Google were in college once, yeah. Weren't you the product of a college drop out?
      PC: No, he just stole the ... er ... nevermind!

    9. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      So what we get out of it, is that Linux is a big jerk, who cares about details.

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    10. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Thank god in the real world most of these ads never make it past the focus group.

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    11. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the 'ad campaign' idea was pretty stupid.

      But some of the commercials (notably the rock-paper-linux one and the hospital one) were actually half decent. rock-paper-linux reminded me a bit of an IBM-meets-Apple commercial, and the hospital one reminded me a lot of the old 3dfx commercials, or maybe an Intel commercial.

      Production values were pretty damn high, and those two, at least, didn't really play too much into the stupid "I'm Linux" theme.

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    12. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by Nursie · · Score: 1

      Linux did it first, in 2004. It got little attention.

      That makes it more cool, right?

    13. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by ajs · · Score: 1

      Define "big jerk" for me.

      I think I'd buy, "pedantic," though.

      My point wasn't to write a great commercial, but to demonstrate that you don't have to follow the Mac/PC model in order to make an "I'm a Linux" ad. You can deconstruct their assumptions just as easily as you can respond in a like manner the way Microsoft did. Here's another:

      Linux: Hi, I'm a computer.
      Mac: What operating system do you run?
      Linux: At the moment, Linux, but why does that matter in an age of virtualization and cloud computing?
      PC: You have to be kidding! It's all about branding!
      Linux: What it it wasn't? Wouldn't it be interesting if people just chose the right tool for the job rather than fetishizing the lowest-level and least interesting software in the world?
      Mac/PC: No!
      Mac: Fetishizing the OS is pretty much our business model. It's what made a smart phone without cut-and-paste last through two major revisions.
      PC: And where do you get off calling the OS uninteresting?
      Linux: Isn't it? Can it edit a photograph or play a web video, or is it just the glue that allows the programs that CAN do those things to talk to the hardware which is essentially universal at this point?
      Mac/PC: We're out. [walk off together]
      Linux: Welcome to the future folks, and enjoy the ride.

    14. Re:Any Comerical like this would be fitting. by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      I always thought Linux should advertise its run-ability on old hardware. For example, mac and windows could do their thing, maybe with mac accidentally letting it slip that it's actually UNIX on a PC, and then Linux would claim to be really fast. then Mac or PC would say that he doesn't seem that fast, and Linux would say, "yeah, but I'm running on an 8 year old computer I bought used for $50. how much did you cost?" A lot of people aren't interested in much more than a web browser, an email client, a word processor and a media player. Their most demanding application is probably playing embedded TV quality video, and a 2Ghz dual core CPU with 2GB of RAM and 256MB of video RAM is a little overkill. An iPhone can do most of that with 533Mhz and 128MB.

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  14. My candidate... Jay Maynard by argent · · Score: 1
    1. Re:My candidate... Jay Maynard by mdm-adph · · Score: 1

      I'm sure a lot of people find that offensive, but I personally think it describes the situation perfectly.

      Linux has a long, long, long way to go in the eyes of the public.

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  15. Good Grief, Charlie Brown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These commercials couldn't sell a sandwich to a starving man. Much less an operating system to a non-technical audience.

  16. Since the server already melted.... by Skylinux · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately the server already melted so here are a few videos Novell produced to market Linux.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3AXo5i_XYI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjJePMwEMWg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8WNPvjtjQg

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  17. "I'm Linux"? by Jon.Laslow · · Score: 1

    I got corrected elsewhere for this. Wouldn't that be, "I'm GNU/Linux", or "I'm a GNU/Linux Distro"?

    1. Re:"I'm Linux"? by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Neither. Whoever corrected you is wrong and/or wasting everyone's time. It's "Linux", except to the dedicated GNU fanboi.

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    2. Re:"I'm Linux"? by Burz · · Score: 1

      Neither. Whoever corrected you is wrong and/or wasting everyone's time. It's "Linux", except to the dedicated GNU fanboi.

      Hardly a dedicated fanboi here.

      So tell me, how does "Linux" look and feel to an end user, eh?? Both "Linux" and "GNU/Linux" are entirely inappropriate for marketing to the general public, unless you think they're concerned about internal kernel and toolchain features.

      Those two terms describe a set of qualities and features that technicians and coders know and care about.

    3. Re:"I'm Linux"? by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      "Linux" is important because it's a brand. Technically the only similarities between Win7 and XP are a similar kernel, and there are practically no similarities between Mac OS9 and OSX. The only thing that glues them together is the "Windows" and "Mac" brands.

      When someone uses a MS PC at work, they just know "it has Windows", and probably don't give it much more thought than that. When they come to buy a home PC, they say "I'll buy a Windows one, like the ones I use at work". The version of Windows they buy need not be the same as the one at work, but MS have still generated a sale.

      If they use a "Red Hat" machine at work, they'll be looking for that "Red Hat" PC in the shops, or for free download- which they won't find, not without digging. If they use a "Linux" machine at work, they'll try to buy/download a "Linux" PC for themselves, regardless of the distro.

      Besides, then you've got things like "Linux Compatible" hardware. Do you want to list every single compatible distro on the box of a new bit of kit in PC World?

    4. Re:"I'm Linux"? by Burz · · Score: 1

      "Linux" is important because it's a brand.

      Really? I was just responding to a fellow who insists that it means 'all that GNU stuff' including Gnome (although its news to me that Gnome is a GNU project).

      Technically the only similarities between Win7 and XP are a similar kernel, and there are practically no similarities between Mac OS9 and OSX. The only thing that glues them together is the "Windows" and "Mac" brands.

      So what?? OS9 is from 1999 and XP is from 2003. If the face of "Mac" and "Windows" changed every 6 months or for every new copy they would be marketing failures too.

      Besides, then you've got things like "Linux Compatible" hardware. Do you want to list every single compatible distro on the box of a new bit of kit in PC World?

      Supposedly the LSB would be good for that (and for generally establishing a platform too). But they can't be bothered with a compatibility and trademarking licensing program so that hardware vendors can add an "LSB compatible" logo to their box. Of course, they need a better name than "LSB" which is a techie's buzzword not a marketable brand name.

      Google has a marketable Linux-based platform called ANDROID. It's cute, memorable and has an honest-to-God SDK and standard GUI. IOW, it brings users and app developers together on a predictable, readily-identifiable platform.

    5. Re:"I'm Linux"? by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      I'm Ubuntu... No wait. I'm Mandriva(but I used to be Mandrake). No. I'm Slackware. No wait, come back I'm Debian. Seriously I've always been Gentoo!

      Or perhaps I've got Multiple Personality Disorder!

      Seriously why don't we all just vote on one system to foist on all the n00bs and move on with life?

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    6. Re:"I'm Linux"? by SwordsmanLuke · · Score: 1

      Actually, that may not be a bad idea for an ad campaign.

      Mac: I'm a Mac
      PC: And I'm a PC
      Crowd of people: And we're Linux.
      Mac: Whoa, there are a ton of you guys.
      Linux1: Yeah, we're all individuals.
      PC: Doesn't that confuse people?
      Linux1: Not really. We make it easy to make your computer do exactly what you need. Take my buddy Ubuntu here.
      Ubuntu: Hi! [Big grin, Shakes hands enthusiastically with Mac & PC]
      Linux1: He's really friendly and helps people get things done.
      Linux1: Or take Red Hat here.
      Red Hat: How are you? [Dressed in business wear, looks like a well-heeled C*O]
      Linux1: He's a pretty important guy. He keeps over X million critical business servers running every day.
      Mac: [Whistles]
      PC: [No longer wearing his jacket] Well, I come in Home and [turns away, puts jacket back on, and turns to face Linux1 again] Business versions!
      [Mac and Linux1 exchange embarrassed glances]
      Mac: Uh, yeah. Hey that's great buddy!
      [Fade to white screen with block text: Linux. Power for the People.]

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    7. Re:"I'm Linux"? by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      The sticky point being who gets to be linux1... I'd vote for that penguin from madagascar...

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  18. Samuel L Jackson.... by Em+Emalb · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reprising his role as Jules from Pulp Fiction:

    Jules: [Jules shoots the man on the couch, who turns out to be Steve Jobs, turns to talk to Bill Gates] I'm sorry, did I break your concentration? I didn't mean to do that. Please, continue, you were saying something about best intentions. What's the matter? Oh, you were finished! Well, allow me to retort. What does Linus Torvalds look like?

    Bill: What?
    Jules: What OS do you run?
    Bill: What? What? Wh - ?
    Jules: "What" ain't no OS I've ever heard of. They have a usable command line in What?
    Bill: What?
    Jules: Usable command line, mother fucker, do you have one?
    Bill: Yes! Yes!
    Jules: Then you know what I'm sayin'!
    Bill: Yes!
    Jules: Describe what Linus Torvalds looks like!
    Bill: What?
    Jules: Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time!

    [end scene, fade out with Linux, Operating System of Bad Mother Fuckers everywhere]

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    1. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by kamnet · · Score: 1

      Amen. "People on the Internet love when I say mother fucker."

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    2. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by sanosuke001 · · Score: 1

      you just made my day...

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    3. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My turn to get Tarantino: Mac is like The Bride in Kill Bill: Brutally attacked and left for dead (the '90s), it's back, kicking ass, and taking revenge.

    4. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First (and probably only) comment ever on ./

      Brilliantly hilarious!!

    5. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You rock.

    6. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by cptnapalm · · Score: 1

      You are disturbingly imaginative.

    7. Re:Samuel L Jackson.... by cicuz · · Score: 1

      What about one of the last scenes, the one about the wallet?

      Jules: Now I want you to go in that bag and find my OS.
      Pumpkin: Which one is it?
      Jules: It's the one that says Bad Motherfucker on it.
      [Pumpkin gets out a floppy with an actual Bad Motherfucker caption and, underneath, "Gentoo stage 1"]

  19. What a second... by Antony-Kyre · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aren't linux machines still Personal Computers?

    1. Re:What a second... by pembo13 · · Score: 2, Funny

      At some point, PC became synonymous with Microsoft Windows. I am not sure when that happened. All I know is that I didn't get a memo.

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    2. Re:What a second... by 0racle · · Score: 1

      You get to use one of these as a PC?

      BTW, I'm Spart ... err... Linux.

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    3. Re:What a second... by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Informative

      At some point, PC became synonymous with Microsoft Windows.

      PC became largely synonymous with "something running one of Microsoft's current set of operating system offerings" at about the time IBM licensed MS-DOS as PC-DOS and distribtued it as the standard OS for the IBM PC, and it was cemented when the Mac became the main hardware competitor to the PC and its clones, and so comparisons tended to be PC vs. Mac whether or not they were hardware comparisons, OS comparisons, or, comparisons of the combination of hardware and OS and available application software.

    4. Re:What a second... by roggg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mac: "I'm a Mac."

      Linux: "I'm a PC. Because you see Linux actually runs on PC hardware, so it's a fallacy to refer to only Windoze machines a PCs.

      Mac: "ummm..."

      Linux (standing up, and brushing cheeto dust from beard): "In fact, to be pedantic, Mac's are PCs too in the more general sense of the term since PC stands for personal computer, and Mac's are certainly computers designed for personal use. Really we are all PCs. I really hate how M$ has appropriated that term for it's own platforms when the term is equally applicable to linux machines as well..."

      Mac: "please...kill me now."

    5. Re:What a second... by Eudial · · Score: 1

      Aren't linux machines still Personal Computers?

      That largely depends on what machine you install Linux on. It'd be a stretch to call a Playstation 2 a PC.

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    6. Re:What a second... by silent_artichoke · · Score: 1

      If you put Linux on it, doesn't that change it from a gaming console to a general-purpose personal computer?

    7. Re:What a second... by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      IIRC there is some weird tax in Japan where Sony decided to allow Linux on PS2 so it could be sold as a computer, which allows it to avoid something.

    8. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Linux: "And that's another thing. 'kill' is a UNIX command, and as we all know, Macs are UNIX machines underneath (technically BSD UNIX), so, yeah, you could invoke 'kill' once you know your PID. Really, you're not a Mac, you're a UNIX machine, derived via a NextStep machine and tweaked to look like a Mac. You're a prettied-up UNIX-like machine just like me! We're practically brothers!" [Big, kind of scary-looking, cheetoes-laden smile at the end as he tries to hug Mac]

      Mac: [Slowly starts stepping sideways out of the picture]

    9. Re:What a second... by hansamurai · · Score: 1

      Microsoft may have appropriated the term but Apple has no problem agreeing with them. If the Apple produced commercial instead said "I'm a Mac. I'm a Windows" then you wouldn't really have a place to complain.

    10. Re:What a second... by einhverfr · · Score: 1

      You have a point.

      I think the girl in the Novell Youtube Mac/PC/Linux commercials is the best spokesman ;-)

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    11. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Linux: kill -9 me

    12. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It came with the last TPS report. You know, the one with the new cover sheet?

    13. Re:What a second... by atraintocry · · Score: 1

      PC was a brand name. As in "IBM PC". Then everything that ran the same software was an IBM compatible, or a PC compatible. Then it was Wintel, but the "PC" name never died.

      It was before your time I guess.

    14. Re:What a second... by potHead42 · · Score: 1

      I hate to break the news to you, but Macs can now run Windows too.

    15. Re:What a second... by mad_clown · · Score: 4, Funny

      God, I can just see RMS doing that commercial. Only the commercial would be about 15 minutes long, and would contain multiple instances when he exclaimed "GNU stands for GNU's not UNIX! It's a HACK!!!"

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    16. Re:What a second... by jgostling · · Score: 0

      All PCs are created equal?

    17. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Personal Computers running Linux are still Personal Computers...

      Linux runs on allmost everything:

      • cell phones
      • WiFi routers
      • UMTS access points
      • NAS devices
      • SAN switches
      • harddisk recorders
      • DVB devices
      • DEC Alpha systems
      • IBM Power systems
      • SUN Sparc systems

      ...and IBM mainframes.

    18. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought of PCs as x86 machines which would make pretty much all desktops PCs.

    19. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the things that ircs me about the Apple ad campain is exacltly that. It equates "Microsoft Windows" with "PC". (or rather it differentiates Macs, by saying they're something other than a PC)

      The "I'm Linux" campaign justifies this notion. It too equates Windows with PC, which is not a good thing at all, and is why I think the "I'm Linux" campaign is a bad idea.

      Now, I don't want to be that person that only criticeses without a proposed solution for the ploblem. My proposal is saying "I use Linux" instead, because it doesn't mention anything about what you use it on or with, it could be a Mac, or it could be a PC, a cellphone, a supercomputer, a TV, a router etc.

    20. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mac is personal computer
      PC is personal computer
      PC ain't Mac
      Mac ain't PC

      Linux runs on PC's and Mac's. Windows does run on PC's and Macs. Mac OS X does run only on Mac's.

      It ain't so hard :-P

    21. Re:What a second... by RichardJenkins · · Score: 3, Funny

      Mac: "I'm a PC"

      PC: "And I'm a P - whaa? Goddamnit Mac, have you been talking to Linux again?."

      * PC bitchslaps Mac upside the head

      Mac (hurt): "Aww, Pee Cee."

      * Linux jumps up and down laughing maniacally

    22. Re:What a second... by amirulbahr · · Score: 1

      You mean:
      kill 0 -1

    23. Re:What a second... by Patch86 · · Score: 1

      Who's for bringing back the term "microcomputer"?

      We can call them MCs!

    24. Re:What a second... by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that the plural of Mac would be Macs.

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    25. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite. And that's just one reason why this is a Real Stupid move.

    26. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling a mainframe a Linux machine is like calling your desktop an ATI machine. Ass backwards.
      That is a mainframe that could run Linux, with a fuckload of mainframe left over.

    27. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PCs are set by the standard that Microsoft inherited from IBM which means that Apple never were PC.

    28. Re:What a second... by koiransuklaa · · Score: 1

      No, it does not. Or maybe my Linksys router is a PC?

    29. Re:What a second... by dangitman · · Score: 1

      ... followed by him breaking into a folk-rock rendition of the Free Software Song.

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    30. Re:What a second... by skiman1979 · · Score: 1

      I'm always pointing this out to people when they get into PC vs. Mac discussions. PC != Microsoft Windows systems.

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    31. Re:What a second... by silent_artichoke · · Score: 1

      Depends on the distribution, I guess. If you manage to put DamnSmallLinux on your Linksys Router, then I would argue that at that point it IS a PC. If you just put ClarkConnect or something on there, it's still too specialized to be a PC.

    32. Re:What a second... by torgis · · Score: 1

      Ah fuck. I can't believe you've done this.

    33. Re:What a second... by mad_clown · · Score: 1

      I was going to say "I'd pay for that," but I realized that it wouldn't be appropriate, given the context.

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    34. Re:What a second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tweaked to look like a mac? OS X? Which Mac OS did they tweak it to look like?

  20. Youtube links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=TheLinuxFoundation&view=videos&sort=v

  21. facepalm by blhack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't part of the point of linux that there isn't a face to it?

    Linux is my mailserver
    Linux runs my mythtv
    Linux runs on my access point
    Linux runs on my sister's laptop.
    Linux runs on our company's DVR.

    Linux is not an operating system for the desktop or for the server, or for the embedded device. Linux is an operating system for EVERYTHING.

    Its like a ball of clay, endless potential and totally at the hands of the artist.

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    1. Re:facepalm by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

      People really underestimate how those embedded applications can quickly add up. Linux in your smartphone, Linux in your car navigation system, Linux in your wireless router, Linux in your playstation, before long it is "Linux everywhere."

      Yes, some of these applications might not be as visible as Windows on the desktop, but they do add up. Sooner or later, someone is going to come out with a statistic like Linux outsells Windows 2:1 !!! Everyone will be wondering how that is. It will be all the embedded applications.

      I bet GCC has more running applications in the world than any other compiler. It is used as a back-end compiler for a great many embedded systems.

    2. Re:facepalm by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      And that's the point of at least one of the videos.

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    3. Re:facepalm by ParanoiaBOTS · · Score: 1

      Isn't part of the point of linux that there isn't a face to it?

      Linux is my mailserver Linux runs my mythtv Linux runs on my access point Linux runs on my sister's laptop. Linux runs on our company's DVR.

      Linux is not an operating system for the desktop or for the server, or for the embedded device. Linux is an operating system for EVERYTHING.

      Its like a ball of clay, endless potential and totally at the hands of the artist.

      I think you are forgetting that M$ tried to do the same thing, they just don't do it as well as linux did.

    4. Re:facepalm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very true - here's the YouTube version of that one. The point is that Linux can be found just about everywhere today - and has evolved from being primarily a server operating system into something that addresses a broad range of needs for a lot of different purposes.

      Even more so, it's taken many hands and diverse inputs to get there.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAZb1H_IZh8

    5. Re:facepalm by johnjaydk · · Score: 1
      I bet GCC has more running applications in the world than any other compiler. It is used as a back-end compiler for a great many embedded systems.

      I haven't seen an embedded system, short of dinky microcontrollers, that didn't use gcc in the toolchain. GCC is becoming the ultimate category killer.

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    6. Re:facepalm by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      Isn't part of the point of linux that there isn't a face to it?

      Linux is my mailserver
      Linux runs on my access point
      Linux runs on our company's DVR.

      Linux is not an operating system for the desktop or for the server, or for the embedded device. Linux is an operating system for EVERYTHING.

      I believe as far as commercial marketing goes, Cisco is already taking credit for running all of those things. Or Sun. Or Bernard Purdie.

    7. Re:facepalm by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 1

      VxWorks has a proprietary compiler as well as gcc.

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    8. Re:facepalm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is my mailserver
      Linux runs my mythtv
      Linux runs on my access point
      Linux runs on my sister's laptop.
      Linux runs on our company's DVR.

      I can see this being a very effective commercial. Having some big players (CEO, CFO, or various other C-men), or even celebrities (if there are any savvy linux users out there) saying these things, with appropriate screens.

      Hell, we've got Android out there already. We can say other things like Linux is my web server, Linux is my file server, Linux is my cell phone, Linux is our network. Linux breathed new life into my aging computer. Linux doesn't force me to upgrade my computer every year. There's millions of possibilities here.

      Enough with the "I'm a " nonsense. Linux has to get itself out there and stand out.

    9. Re:facepalm by deraj123 · · Score: 1

      Because they try to do it all. "Linux" doesn't do anything. A lot of different people use Linux as a starting point for their embedded device, or their server, or their desktop. Microsoft does not have the crucial "totally at the hands of the artist" aspect that makes Linux perform well in these situations.

    10. Re:facepalm by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      [snip] I bet GCC has more running applications in the world than any other compiler.

      Since AFAIK programs compiled with gcc don't inherit the GPL, it seems likely that any company that doesn't have ultradeep pockets/paranoid lawyers would be using it, even for closed source development.

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    11. Re:facepalm by Thinboy00 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      (self reply) ...unless they're concerned about the Ken Thompson back door I suppose... (see the Jargon File on "back door" if you don't get it; I'm too lazy to make a link)... but if you're paranoid enough to still be concerned about that of all things, you're probably the NSA or working for them, given the annoyance of the coding on the bare metal you'd need to do to have absolute certainty.

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    12. Re:facepalm by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Better them than Microsoft.

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    13. Re:facepalm by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1
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    14. Re:facepalm by lessthan · · Score: 1

      are you there Linux, it's me Margaret.

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    15. Re:facepalm by DirtyUncleRon69 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Oddly enough, Linux is your bar entertainment as well. I accidentally unplugged a "Photo Hunt" touch screen thinger at the bar one time, and when I plugged it back in, grub booted up, then the main screen. I sometimes unplug and replug them now just to check if they run Linux.

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    16. Re:facepalm by Skylinux · · Score: 1

      Where are my mod points, +1 Artistic

      Linux is like a ball of clay, endless potential and totally at the hands of the artist.
      by blhack

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    17. Re:facepalm by ion.simon.c · · Score: 1

      ...even for closed source development.

      Unless they're developing *for* Windows *on* Windows. I'm not saying that MSFT's Visual C++ is a better compiler, but it does WIN32 better than mingw does.

    18. Re:facepalm by Atriqus · · Score: 1

      Then shouldn't the face of Linux be Rebecca Romijn?

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    19. Re:facepalm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is a kernel :)

    20. Re:facepalm by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      No, that's not actually true any more.

      Check this out.

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    21. Re:facepalm by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      You still to code on the bare metal for absolute certainty; this is like a rootkit.

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    22. Re:facepalm by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      No, you don't. Go read the article I linked.

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  22. I hate this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Hey guys, let's do everything possible to exacerbate the 'me too' image problem Linux already has!"

    This campaign is probably the worst idea ever, and of course it's only coming to fruition long after the initial luster of the Apple commercials has faded and people already find them played out.

    1. Re:I hate this by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 1

      "Hey guys, let's do everything possible to exacerbate the 'me too' image problem Linux already has!"

      This campaign is probably the worst idea ever, and of course it's only coming to fruition long after the initial luster of the Apple commercials has faded and people already find them played out.

      I think the original Apple commercials came to fruition at precisely the moment that their luster faded and people found them played out.

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    2. Re:I hate this by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      And, uh, you're wrong. Non-technical people (and techies with a sense of humor) got a great laugh out of John Hodgman as the PC being a complete dork. They were funny. Not always entirely accurate, but the people they were aimed at don't care. They want something cool, not something that's got 4.2 gigawatts of powar!111.

      As can be seen from all the "BUT LOOK AT THE FEEEEEEEEEEEATURES" me-too Linux ads, the nerd crew still hasn't figured this out.

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  23. Yup, calling your competitors nerds sure is clever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Microsoft's attempted responses"? What does that even mean? How are Microsoft's nationally broadcast advertisements only "attempts" to respond Apple's "clever" strategy of "make the other guys look lame and nerdy"?

    Not seeing any bias here.

  24. slashdotted... by epdp14 · · Score: 1

    Linux Foundation is slashdotted.... (loads gnu.org) whoa am I glad that there isn't just one face of linux...

    1. Re:slashdotted... by muzicman · · Score: 1

      I am sure there is a command for that.

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  25. mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't watch the commercials because the site is slashdotted, but here's what I think: Instead of doing the I'm a mac, I'm a PC exchange commercials, they should get Stallman and Torvalds to do the commercial, each one playing "linux". I think it would emphasize the tension the linux community has regarding the priority of freedom:

    Torvalds: "Hello, I'm linux."
    Stallman: "You should really refer to him as GNU/linux, and me too."
    Torvalds: "We reliably operate huge numbers of servers, embedded devices and personal computers and have support for a a huge array of hardware devices."
    Stallman: "But most importantly, we allow you to have the freedom share your ideas with others and be able to use other's ideas enriching all of us simultaneously."
    Torvalds: "...and making big bank."
    Stallman: "uhh, what?"

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    1. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      You might wanna double check what Stallman believes

    2. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Stallman believes that HE should make big bank, but no one should be able to make big bank, especially on software, and most especially on software he wants to use.

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    3. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oooh, I see we've offended the religious community!

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    4. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by Jurily · · Score: 1

      I think it would emphasize the tension the linux community has regarding the priority of freedom:

      Yeah, let's market the fact that we can't agree on anything!

      How about a big group of people, all wearing shirts of different distros, and have them yell "We're all Linux".

    5. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Yeah, let's market the fact that we can't agree on anything!

      KDE is better than Gnome! Only baby-eating rapists choose the Gnome desktop!

      Oh, and vi is hands-down the one true text editor.

      Oh, you want Linux help? man $f00, n00b!

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    6. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by mad_clown · · Score: 1

      This would only be awesome if Stallman dressed as the GNUnja.

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    7. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      I think it would emphasize the tension the linux community has regarding the priority of freedom:

      Yeah, let's market the fact that we can't agree on anything!

      How about a big group of people, all wearing shirts of different distros, and have them yell "We're all Linux".

      And bashing each other to death with 80's keyboards, right? I mean, that's what I first thought of...

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    8. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 1

      Awww did I hurt your feelings by telling the truth about your little tin god?

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    9. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 1

      I don't really get that from reading anything he's ever written on the subject. He's definitely not making big bank now, and when he wants to use software he either writes it himself or uses Free Software. He's not forcing anyone to do the same, and I guess his idealism reminds one of religious types, but at least he's consistent and has done more good than harm.

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    10. Re:mac vs pc: stallman vs. torvalds by Lundse · · Score: 1

      Stallman believes that HE should make big bank

      No

      , but no one should be able to make big bank,

      No - though he might be so left-wing as to suggest noone should be allowed to make 'big bank' to the degree that their power exceeds that of government control mechanisms or dictates the lives of millions.

      especially on software,

      No - though he does not believe ownership relations on code is necessary to earn money on coding (in other words, he is not a complete idiot, and is able to differentiate between work hours and work product).

      and most especially on software he wants to use.

      No - he does not give a crap about the amount of money you made on the software he uses, he just wants to be able to use it fully and freely. Although I do not expect my rendering of his views to be perfect, I have absolutely no clue about how you came upon your ideas of them. Are you sure you are not talking about the imaginary Stallman conjured up by the real Stallman's political opponents?

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  26. Gotta be nerdier than pc by tyrantking31 · · Score: 1

    Professor John I.Q. Nerdelbaum Frink, Jr.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor_Frink

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  27. Microsoft must love this.... by nrasch · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The parent post says: "... hilarious but inappropriate, to the well-made but creepy, to the 'I'm sure it sounded good in your head.'"

    If I was in MS's marketing department I'd be all over the bad videos. I'd show them to everyone I could and explain, 'See? This is the type of person who identifies w/ Linux. This is how they brand them selves. These type of people will be working on your servers, looking through the source code, etc.'

    My job would be done, people thinking about switching over would be creeped out, and a fuzzy warm marketing glow would ensue.... ;)

    1. Re:Microsoft must love this.... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      You nailed it. This campaign is terrible news for people who want Linux to spread on the desktop.

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    2. Re:Microsoft must love this.... by Draek · · Score: 1

      f I was in MS's marketing department I'd be all over the bad videos. I'd show them to everyone I could and explain, 'See? This is the type of person who identifies w/ Linux. This is how they brand them selves. These type of people will be working on your servers, looking through the source code, etc.'

      First off, considering how "damaging" the Ellen Feiss episode was for Apple (read: not at all), I doubt it'd have any effect on the Linux community.

      And second, Microsoft almost surely does *not* have the rights to redistribute the videos nor to use the image of the people in them for marketing purposes, and given the copyright scare we're living through right now misusing them in such a way would be suicidal.

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    3. Re:Microsoft must love this.... by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Uhh.. why redistribute when it's on youtube?

    4. Re:Microsoft must love this.... by Draek · · Score: 1

      How and where are you going to *put* that Youtube address? Joe Average doesn't copy-n-paste links full of gibberish from TV, doesn't visit Microsoft.com, and for the small percentage of average people who read the "OMG celebrity!" news at MSN.com, such a blantant ad campaign would remind them it's a website owned by a software company (instead of a reputable TV network like E!) and turn them off from it completely.

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  28. Just one catch. by steelfood · · Score: 1

    It won't be good marketing at all if the audience can't figure out if it's a guy or a girl speaking. Or gets confused when the voice doesn't match the person saying it.

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  29. They all suck by Yuioup · · Score: 2, Funny

    I checked them out yesterday and they're all shit. If any of them got aired on the mainstream media then I'm wiping my Ubuntu partition and installing Vista

    1. Re:They all suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Man, if it were anyone else, we'd just say "Sayonara and good riddance", but NOT YOU! Ubuntu just can't lose you.

      The top row of the keyboard is pretty damn important.

    2. Re:They all suck by Yuioup · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I'm pretty important. Mark Shuttleworth should bow down to the greatness of my 0.000000000001% market share.

  30. duh? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

    Does this question really need to be asked. The answer is clearly Gary Gnu.

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  31. Poor Linux Server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would appear though the Linux box hosting the "I'm Linux" videos has been Slashdotted into submission. I'm betting it wishes it wasn't Linux at the moment.

  32. linux blah blah blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    epic fail. who'd want that in their lives?

  33. I liked the firefox marketing ideas better by caffeinejolt · · Score: 1

    Linux client market share needs some help. I think it is great to get the word out there that Linux is a viable desktop alternative, and maybe this will turn out to be a good way to win some converts. However, I think perhaps learning from what worked well for Firefox and then perhaps building a similar grassroots campaign combined with a well designed site that shows some real desktop advantages offered by some of the more polished distributions combined with the option to download easily runnable OS images (i.e. VMWare Player) might fare better.

    1. Re:I liked the firefox marketing ideas better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a bad idea - it worked well for Firefox. I assume you are referring to www.spreadfirefox.com

    2. Re:I liked the firefox marketing ideas better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to disagree with you caffeinejolt. Firefox's campaign, while it was successful, was for a browser (a minor change), while trying to get someone to switch OSes requires more than some gimmicky marketing campaign. It requires showing real advantages and currently Linux on the desktop lacks these.

    3. Re:I liked the firefox marketing ideas better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't agree more. It won't make much difference in the long run that there are so many advantages comparing Linux to Winddows, the market penetration will remain low until Linux addresses some of the usability issues people have come to expect from their OS.

  34. Hi, I'm Linux by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hi, I'm linux and the load on my server is getting very h

    404 file not found

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    1. Re:Hi, I'm Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      blame slashdot

    2. Re:Hi, I'm Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like:

      503 Service Unavailable

  35. i got it by castironpigeon · · Score: 1

    Can't RTFA because the link is down, but 'We're Linux' ought to be a school cafeteria with all the distros having a food fight.

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  36. I laughed. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Funny.

  37. Hi! We are Linux !... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 1

    ... says the crowd of benevolent servants.

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  38. Script by Brandybuck · · Score: 4, Funny

    [Cut to suburban home basement. Room contains boxspring mattress, cinderblock and plank bookshelf, and cable spool table. On the floor is indoor/outdoor kitchen-print carpet. On the walls are a selection of tattered scifi movie posters, including Natalie Portman in torn jumpsuit poster from Episode II. Glow in the dark stars dot the ceiling, from which dangle several hand painted styrofoam "planets". There is a stack of obsolete game consoles in the corner. Computer in aluminum and plexiglass supertower case with purple lighting is next to table, on which are two unmatched LCD monitors. Pale overweight adolescent enters from stage left. He is wearing black jeans, and black tee-shirt with penguin and wildebeest motif. The hair is short spiked dyed pink, but black roots are prominent.]

    Adolescent: "I am Linux! Ph3&r me!"

    [Cue jingle. Wipe to series logo.]

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  39. Tux is the perfect face by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know if it's been done (links are dead to me), but why not make Tux the face of Linux in an ad?
    Get a bunch of Tuxes made in various sizes (or digitally modelled) and show people doing things in their daily routine, with the penguins replacing phones, laptops, servers, embedded devices, etc.
    And at the end of the ad, the simple text:
    Linux, you're already using it.

    1. Re:Tux is the perfect face by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Is anyone free to use that idea? I know a couple animators who might be willing to work up a humorous-yet-somewhat-realistic penguin to pose in such poses. Imagine:

      - Small penguin with arms held firmly to his side, beak stuck out in an "O", held to someone's ear.
      - Medium penguin in someone's lap in an airport, the person petting it (think: medium-small puppy).
      - Large penguin(s) standing in a row, stacked (think: chicken/egg barn) up, handing each other email, web pages, pictures, etc.
      - Penguin in cop suit orchestrating traffic (maybe from on top of a traffic light pole)
      - Penguin toaster and/or fridge, alarm clock (eyes serving as the digits on the clock).

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    2. Re:Tux is the perfect face by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      Yup, consider the idea Open Source :)

    3. Re:Tux is the perfect face by richlv · · Score: 1

      somehow i fear it would fall into the 'I'm sure it sounded good in your head' category

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    4. Re:Tux is the perfect face by POPE+Mad+Mitch · · Score: 1

      I think its almost on the right lines, but the tux part is too much.

      What you want is one of those trendy lifestyle type adverts, show a young trendy person going about their daily trendy lifestyle, interacting with various things along the way, phone, laptop, ATM, etc etc. Then go back and point out that every single thing they used was running Linux.

      There are a number of successful brand advertisments like this already, that in essence are telling you "you too can have a cool life like this, and product/company $foo is what makes it happen"

    5. Re:Tux is the perfect face by Cruciform · · Score: 1

      Even a simple color wipe or some effect across any object that needed highlighting would work. Just something to illustrate that it is indeed everywhere.

    6. Re:Tux is the perfect face by AaronLawrence · · Score: 1

      But it's not really true, is it.
      phone - very few phones run Linux
      laptop - a small fraction, most users use windows
      ATM - now mostly based on Windows, formerly OS/2
      There are some categories that use Linux, such as routers and set top boxes, but they are not the exciting ones that would go well in marketing.

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    7. Re:Tux is the perfect face by inasity_rules · · Score: 1

      An excellent idea, best so far. Even better if we can get the penguins from Madagascar involved... :}

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  40. Linux by Nekomusume · · Score: 1

    A guy who will very happily do basic tasks, but won't do many truely significan't things, and is a bloody nightmare to get to do anything unusual, thanks to requiring the editing of tons of intricately worded contracts.

    (In other news: I hate editing poorly-documented config files)

    1. Re:Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other news: I hate editing poorly-documented config files

      Then You should try to edit the well-documented registry of Microsoft Windows.

  41. Ballmer... no seriously! by Phizzle · · Score: 1

    I think Ballmer converted more people to Linux than anyone else. I was a staunch Microsoft supporter until I saw the dancing monkey boy.

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    1. Re:Ballmer... no seriously! by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS *red and sweating with the devil in eyes* DEVELOPERS!

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  42. Gotta' do it right by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

    Someone just has to create an ESPN/Porn OS and market it on Comedy Channel.

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    1. Re:Gotta' do it right by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Someone just has to create an ESPN/Porn OS and market it on Comedy Channel.

      Oh, haven't you heard? They're Comydy Centryl now...

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    2. Re:Gotta' do it right by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Not CoCy?

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    3. Re:Gotta' do it right by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Not CoCy?

      Well, admittedly they have been a bit CoCy ever since their first breakaway success with "South Park", but...

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  43. No, no! by MythoBeast · · Score: 1

    Microsoft makes their INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE knockoff (which still flops).

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    1. Re:No, no! by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

      Microsoft makes their INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE knockoff (which still flops).

      Yeah, it gigaflops...

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  44. Linux spokesmodel announced by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Apple has the Mac guy

    Microsoft has Jerry Seinfeld

    Linux has.... this guy?

  45. Woo! Can again provides a soundtrack! by itomato · · Score: 1

    Offtopic, and I know this. Don't bother, you can't ding my karma any more..

    Had to watch it again after I picked up the jazzy lounge riff..

    Yes, it's the Krautrock great, 'CAN', performing "She Brings the Rain", providing yet another soundtrack!

    WOO!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6ufsWO476A

    (ahem, sorry - a fan!)

  46. Penguins can fly by EEPROMS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    one of the best Linux adds I have seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSEGj3PK4Is

    1. Re:Penguins can fly by Bretski · · Score: 1

      My consumer reaction to this ad:

      "Ummmm...what?"

      Definitely needs follow-up ads with more pertinent info.

    2. Re:Penguins can fly by eddy_crim · · Score: 1

      .... im sure that clip was created by/for the BBC as an april fools .... yeahhhss

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kvWS1XwCMM

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    3. Re:Penguins can fly by gsmalleus · · Score: 1

      I find this one to pretty good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWEIQIv8zvY

    4. Re:Penguins can fly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.spike.com/video/do-penguins-fly/2850009 From your subject i thought you ment this.

  47. Shrek and HP had an ad... by HalfOfOne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Awhile back when they were making Shrek, there was a rather lengthy printed article/advertisement on why they chose Linux for most of their production. It had a lot of shameless plugs for HP, but also quite a few mentions of the virtues of a free and freely configurable OS.

    I'd always thought it'd be a cute commercial to see Shrek walking along having a conversation with the Donkey about Linux. The donkey would ask all of the typical FUD questions, and Shrek would explain them all and throw in a few jokes here and there.

    It's a face everyone knows and isn't intimidated by, and a product (the movies) that people enjoyed.

    1. Re:Shrek and HP had an ad... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      The mass market doesn't care how easy to install an OS is, or how easy it is to get new applications (that aren't the same as the ones they already use, remember). The mass market cares about writing a paper (and they expect Office, though this is an area you can get people to think about), watching Youtube (how's Flash doin', gents?), and visiting Facebook.

      They also care why they should buy--yes, buy, not download-and-install--the weird thing (Linux) instead of the regular thing (Windows) or the cool thing (Mac). And none of those potential ads come close to touching upon that.

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    2. Re:Shrek and HP had an ad... by Thinboy00 · · Score: 1

      Flash works fine, thank you very much. It's in the repos, and I suppose you could make it the default, and even if you don't, Applications->Add/Remove, type "flash" in the search box, choose the prominently placed (second on the list, using the default sorting) item marked "Macromedia Flash plugin" (whose blurb could probably be understood by the average luser), and hit apply. Nowhere do you need to go to anything that's particularly complex (no synaptic package manager, no aptitude, no apt-get, you can use a nice easy frontend for synaptic). The only snag is that the average luser might not know to go to the Applications menu in the first place; all you need is a dialog box with a time out (read:OK doesn't work for a few seconds; Firefox already uses these when installing addons as a protection against scripts) to pop up instead of the usual plugin chooser (which is a bit of kludge on Linux since it doesn't really work unless you're (stupidly) running as root, but if it's worth it the plugin is usually in the repos anyway).

      Tangentially related note: I think those dialog boxes are a possible solution to the whole "user clicked OK because M$ taught him to, now he doesn't know [something important]", but they shouldn't be overused or the user will find a workaround for them too.

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    3. Re:Shrek and HP had an ad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu gives a dialog for users to install flash the first time they view a swf in firefox. Same as with non-free codecs.

    4. Re:Shrek and HP had an ad... by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      Flash works fine, thank you very much.

      I went and took a look. Shit itself spectacularly with pulseaudio. Interesting, that.

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    5. Re:Shrek and HP had an ad... by DeBaas · · Score: 1

      I'd always thought it'd be a cute commercial to see Shrek walking along having a conversation with the Donkey about Linux.

      Like the year of the Linux on the desktop... Are we there yet?

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  48. My nominee by stuntpope · · Score: 1
  49. Calling yourself a toaster by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

    I can see why Apple and M$ want an ad campaign where the users equate themselves with the product, but I fail to see why the Linux community would want to blindly follow that dubious example.

    I am not Linux. I am a Linux user. My reaction to the "I'm a PC" ad campaign is to reply, "You might as well call yourself a toaster. Moron."

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    1. Re:Calling yourself a toaster by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      You might as well call yourself a toaster.

      Dude! Toasters are hot!

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    2. Re:Calling yourself a toaster by deraj123 · · Score: 1

      My reaction to the "I'm a PC" campaign is why are they all children (at least most of the ones I've seen lately)? I don't identify with a 4 year old, and even thought eveyone likes simplicity, I have a hard time seeing how "a 4 year old can use it" isn't equated to "it's not complex enough to be useful".

    3. Re:Calling yourself a toaster by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      I can see why Apple and M$ want an ad campaign where the users equate themselves with the product, but I fail to see why the Linux community would want to blindly follow that dubious example.

      I am not Linux. I am a Linux user. My reaction to the "I'm a PC" ad campaign is to reply, "You might as well call yourself a toaster. Moron."

      Take note of my signature, it explains exactly why I use GNU/Linux. Now that I bought Ubuntu swag, I can both be free thinking and a tool at the same time. Apple can't give you that even if it forced it in an update.

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  50. I like the one from IBM by Krneki · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:I like the one from IBM by Bretski · · Score: 1

      Now THAT is friggin creepy. Nice horror-movie choir for the soundtrack, nice all-white surroundings with no windows or doors. Nightmare material.

  51. Never quite got the original ads. by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The thing that's always bugged me about those Apple ads is the suggestion that because you have a Mac you'll suddenly be creative, and because you have a PC you'll have boring work to do.

    I don't know about everyone else, but I like my computer because it does those boring jobs for me. I want a tool to do spreadsheets. It means I spend less time doing that and can be off doing my own thing. Mac doesn't. Mac comes across as a layabout rockstar wannabe. Some of us have to work and pay the bills.

  52. I'm NOT linux by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Im a human being, not a kernel.

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    1. Re:I'm NOT linux by dar · · Score: 1

      Probably not even a good private.

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    2. Re:I'm NOT linux by jason.sweet · · Score: 1

      /boot/kernel-2.6.24-nexus-6

  53. Where's the website ? by galphanet · · Score: 1

    Slashdotted...

  54. Or, if you're a clearer thinker... by Petersko · · Score: 1

    Mac: "please...kill me now."

    How about...

    Mac: "please... kill yourself now."

  55. The future is Open by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like this one: http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1271

  56. Representing BSD by dar · · Score: 1

    I dunno about Linux, but I nominate Ceren Ercen to represent BSD.

    Yes I know she doesn't do that anymore.

    Even so.

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    1. Re:Representing BSD by RazzleDazzle · · Score: 1

      Chicks Dig BSD

      Since purebsd.com appears to have expired this is the wayback machine

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  57. CH video is good enough by onion834 · · Score: 1

    This one is quite funny.. http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1886349

  58. All we need is the YouTube links by bonebill2 · · Score: 1

    Annoyingly, whilst the videos seem to be on YouTube, the site linking them has been slashdotted.

    All we need is the YouTube links.

    I managed to divine one of them before the site in the middle went totally TU.

    "hilarious but inappropriate" can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjRdA25yauU

    1. Re:All we need is the YouTube links by bonebill2 · · Score: 1
    2. Re:All we need is the YouTube links by bonebill2 · · Score: 1
  59. Divine inconsistencies by Khopesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Slackware was the Daddy. Like the God Amen, Slackware created himself.

    Yes, that's one of my favorite mythological editing blunders: Atum (later lumped in with Amun and Re) was a creator god, first-born of the gods, who birthed himself from the waters of chaos (later personified as the god Nun) by His own will. The god Thoth, scribe of the gods, was on hand to record this birth of the first god.

    I love Ancient Egyptian mythology, if for no other reason than the wonderful editing it went through when various cities unified (and thus merged their religions). Christianity is messed up too, but people ignore the inconsistencies (have you sacrificed any animals lately? Heathen?)

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    1. Re:Divine inconsistencies by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      Hmmm...animal sacrifice is a Jewish thing. Christians don't live under God's pact with Moses or Abraham, so we don't do that any more. That being said, neither do most Jews, nowadays.

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    2. Re:Divine inconsistencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You Christians certainly love to cite Leviticus (the same book) when it comes to how much you embrace gays and other ways of thinking...

    3. Re:Divine inconsistencies by Miseph · · Score: 1

      I know it's vogue to lump all Christians with the right wing extreme of that religion, but it really isn't very helpful. A lot of Christians, whatever you may think of their belief in an omnipotent God who blah blah blah, are actually decent people who are very accepting of people who live their lives differently. I know Christians who are gay, polyamorous, anti-creationism and actually willing to take a stand for what they believe in: one Episcopalian church around here actually suspended all wedding services in protest, at personal cost to the ministers, because they were forbidden to perform same-sex ceremonies (such weddings are legal here) by their hierarchy.

      If it takes an irrational belief in an invisible person to make you act like a human being, then so be it, so long as you actually do something.

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    4. Re:Divine inconsistencies by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 1

      You anonymous cowards certainly love to make a lot of unfounded stereotypes.

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    5. Re:Divine inconsistencies by somersault · · Score: 1

      Christianity is messed up too, but people ignore the inconsistencies (have you sacrificed any animals lately? Heathen?)

      I'm no longer a Christian but I still find it stupid to make fun of something you obviously know nothing about - from a Christian point of view the whole point in animal sacrifice in the old testament was to point the way to Jesus dying on the cross, and god's ultimate sacrifice of himself obviously negates the need for any more animal sacrifices. So that's why. There are more logical ways of showing that the bible is stupid, but you'd have to actually educate yourself on the bible first, and it's probably not worth the time.

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    6. Re:Divine inconsistencies by jeffasselin · · Score: 1

      That's one of the main issues I have with religions: rationalizations.

      Whatever argument, point, counter-point, or logic we throw at religious beliefs, it's irrelevant: religious faith is at heart an *irrational* belief system that hinges on an illogical, self-contradicting premise (the existence of a 3O-God) that essentially enables the believers to create rationalizations that may appear reasonable, but are really just random, totally unprovable assertions supposedly explaining the "logic" of theological systems. Believers can invent those as much as they want, because they always have the God cop-out premise to base all their assertions on: "Because God wants it that way".

      Rational argumentation with believers is completely useless. It's all insubstantial arguments, sophistry and crooked logic.

      And the proof of my point is simple, and known since Aristotle, well before Yeshuah was born: If you base your logic upon false premises, your argument is unproven. But if you base your logic on a self-contradicting premise, you can prove ANYTHING YOU WANT. If you posit that 1=2, almost any mathematical equality becomes provable. It's the same issue here: believers can "prove" anything they want, giving you arguments for creationism, anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-contraceptive, because they can always assert them on the false basis of the existence of their 3O-God.

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    7. Re:Divine inconsistencies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off-topic, but I'm tired of the clueless christian bashing. In order to argue against it, you must first understand it. You sir clearly do not. The concept it that Jesus dies so no more sacrifices are needed. Jews still need them I guess. The point is mouthing off like that doesn't help your case and makes you(and others like you) look foolish. I can't understand why so many people want to shoot themselves in the foot. If you don't understand the argument, shut the hell up and let your betters argue. If you do, why do you make such silly mistakes?

      At least you understand some egyptian theology. Maybe you're not a total loss at rational debate.

    8. Re:Divine inconsistencies by somersault · · Score: 1

      Definitely. I realised while I was a Christian that there is no point to arguing as it has very little effect on beliefs one way or the other, you have to come to the right kind of frame of mind through life experience to be able to change your beliefs (ie get "brainwashed" into a new way of thinking either by your self education or through the actions of others around you).

      The false premise thing is such a key point, and a lot of religious people seem not to even be able to conceive of a world where their false premises are not true. A few of my Christian friends keep quoting scripture at me - but since I no longer believe in validity of the bible or that their god would be a loving/truthful/just god even if he did exist, there is absolutely no use in them doing so.

      I can see things from both sides now, but it's sad to see them only able to look at things from one point of view without even giving any thought to the idea that they could be wrong. Even as a Christian I knew I could just be fooling myself, but then again I am more aware than most people how messed up and out of perspective your thoughts can get due to chemical imbalances in your brain and so on.

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  60. Copying Apple's Campaign... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... was stupid and annoying for Microsoft and is the same for Linux. If no one in the open source community can come up with a marketing idea better than copying third-hand from Apple, the community is in trouble.

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  61. I'm Ubuntu by jason.sweet · · Score: 1

    On the surface I seemingly hate those blood-sucking capitalists at M$, but I secretly wish I was just like them. That's why I look like an out-of-focus version of Vista. Hell, I even go as far as to annoy the hell out of you with automatic updates

  62. Next up: I'm UNIX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm UNIX

    You know me

  63. Sourceforge, inc. Push to sell advertising by cenc · · Score: 1

    In the last conference call for SourceForge, inc (LNUX, they bring you slashdot if you did not know), mentioned a big push to raise the profile of open source and related markets that source forge covers, to better educate advertisers on the nature of the IT market they can reach. They mentioned that they have a direct pipe to the core of the IT community, but mainstream advertisers really don't understand what that means.

    Part of that I bet, is raising the public profile of linux and open source in general. Thus, the linux.com partnership with the Linux Foundation, and so on recently.

    I say, well done if that is what is happening. No one has done more to promote open source, than the guys at SourceForge. They are basically in the open source and related projects promotion buisness, and have found a way to make it commercially viable to help people give shit away for free.

    That is my pet theory of what this is all about. Either way, hope it works.

    1. Re:Sourceforge, inc. Push to sell advertising by ozphx · · Score: 1

      They are basically in the open source and related projects promotion buisness, and have found a way to make it commercially viable to help people give shit away for free.

      Considering they have consistantly lost their investors' money at a rough 10% per year, I would humbly suggest that they have not managed to make it commercially viable in the slightest. From checking their financial stats I would say they are more in the business of "fail".

      My tip would be to take money invested in LNUX, go down to your local bank and open a "Kiddie Saver Account" and enjoy the half-percent ROI.

      The lesson here is that anyone can start a publically listed company and then piss the investors money up against the wall with a shitty business plan. Having a ticker symbol doesnt equate to "viability".

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  64. OMG, that's easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who says "I'm Lunix" the best? That's so obvious- Hans Reiser!

    The only way someone could be better is if they were a serial killer!

  65. Correction by Burpmaster · · Score: 1

    $ date -d '2009-03-18 11:36 AM PDT' +%s
    1237401360

  66. No, its even worse by Burz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Then the FOSS people come along and say you should get a car based solely on the brand of transmission (kernel) inside.

    Not brilliant. Its been like watching a whole subculture go through a decade-long neurosis, trying to push something to users that they mostly cannot see or touch.

    Imagine if Apple constantly went on and on about OpenDarwin / XNU in their mass-market advertising. Or if Mozilla waged a "Get Gecko" campaign to end-users... They would be in the 1-2% penetration bracket nowadays with a nonsensical message like that.

    Then there is the 'Get Ubuntu' crowd, which I admire (and I followed their advice). BUT Ubuntu is not a PC platform: It doesn't have a set UI to make life manageable for users and tech support alike, nor an SDK for app developers, nor a program for certifying hardware for the OS, nor a way to independently distribute application packages that will still work 6 months (nevermind 2-6 years) down the road.

    In fact, Firefox looks more like a PC platform in some important areas than any Linux distro.

    1. Re:No, its even worse by Niten · · Score: 1

      Then the FOSS people come along and say you should get a car based solely on the brand of transmission (kernel) inside.

      More like the engine than the transmission--but even then it's a horrible analogy.

      [...] Imagine if Apple constantly went on and on about OpenDarwin / XNU in their mass-market advertising. Or if Mozilla waged a "Get Gecko" campaign to end-users... They would be in the 1-2% penetration bracket nowadays with a nonsensical message like that.

      Nope. The term "Linux" has come to encompass the common set of GNU and other userland tools and applications and desktop environments generally distributed with a Linux kernel--the entire "operating system", in the common meaning of the term. When IBM, Novell, the Linux Foundation, and others say "get Linux", they don't mean just the Linux kernel; they're clearly talking about the whole package. And nobody seems to have much trouble understanding this message.

      Then there is the 'Get Ubuntu' crowd, which I admire (and I followed their advice). BUT Ubuntu is not a PC platform: It doesn't have a set UI to make life manageable for users and tech support alike, nor an SDK for app developers, nor a program for certifying hardware for the OS, nor a way to independently distribute application packages that will still work 6 months (nevermind 2-6 years) down the road.

      Of course Ubuntu is a PC platform. The Ubuntu project itself is all about providing that set UI you desire. And clearly it has an SDK, it's just that the SDK is most properly referred to as "GNOME" or whatnot rather than "Ubuntu". Standardization is there, too; again, it's just that the standards aren't called "Ubuntu", but rather POSIX, LSB, or freedesktop.org, for instance, depending on what aspect of standardization you're interested in.

      Applications cannot be independently distributed and still work down the road? My copies of VMware Workstation and Google Earth might have a thing or two to say about that. In fact Ubuntu provides dpkg, which means that it is much better off in terms of actual software installation and uninstallation than Windows is. (On the other hand, Windows remains the undisputed king of backwards compatibility, over OS X and Linux. However, time has shown that this can have significant long-term consequences for the overall quality of the operating system and its APIs.)

      Many of your concerns here boil down to the fact that the actual standardization and unification efforts in the Linux world, to which developers can easily turn for instruction and assurance, don't all have the label "Ubuntu" slapped on them. My point is that, sure, you can consider Ubuntu as a platform unto itself if you'd like--but most aspects of GNU/Linux are now well-standardized enough that there's little need to narrow down to a single distribution for most purposes.

      In fact, Firefox looks more like a PC platform in some important areas than any Linux distro.

      Now that's just plain silly.

    2. Re:No, its even worse by Burz · · Score: 1

      Nope. The term "Linux" has come to encompass the common set of GNU and other userland tools

      It refers to either the Linux kernel alone, or the kernel + GNU toolchain. Neither Gnome nor KDE is a GNU (FSF) project.

      No one outside the tech community knows what you are talking about, which is understandable since you have made it abundantly clear that basic terms mean whatever you want whenever you choose to change the meaning. Guess who lost this terminology debate? The entire FOSS community!

      As I alluded to earlier, Mozilla has kept their product identity crystal clear and met with success because of that clarity. They even threatened projects like Debian who would insert their own code and still distribute the browser as Mozilla Firefox. Thank God!

      Ubuntu is an OS, but not a platform. Canonical does not make commitments as to which APIs are supported in a default installation. They don't even have their LSB package installed by default.

      Standardization is there, too; again, it's just that the standards aren't called "Ubuntu", but rather POSIX, LSB, or freedesktop.org, for instance, depending on what aspect of standardization you're interested in.

      Why should users have to discern between all these buzzwords that describe what's inside a distro like Ubuntu? You see? Not a platform!

      And who gives a damn about all that supposed "GNU" software that "typically" (but not definitely) gets distributed with a Linux-based OS? Typically??? F-off!

      Standardize the interfaces to the end users and app developers, or continue to languish in obscurity. If you aren't interested in bringing those two groups of people together in a predictable OS environment (a platform) then stop bothering them about "Linux" you nutbag.

    3. Re:No, its even worse by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      GNOME ain't a GNU project...~
      Now think aobut the letter G for a sec...

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  67. Welll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might just mention what is missing; Loads of Virus, Loads of Drm, Loads of apps that are illegal to run, etc, etc, etc. When ppl think about the costs of running WIndows, they tend to walk away.

    1. Re:Welll by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1

      More applications are arguably illegal to run on Linux than on Windows due to patent encumbrance.

      A small group of people cares about DRM. Fewer, now, that iTunes is all DRM-free.

      Nobody cares about viruses. They are an accepted part of running Windows. Whether they should be or not does not matter. They are. And modern anti-virus is getting pretty good. Furthermore, why the fuck will people buy Linux to get away from viruses when OS X doesn't have them and is considered trendy and cool?

      --
      "You can either have software quality or you can have pointer arithmetic, but you cannot have both at the same time."
    2. Re:Welll by Americano · · Score: 1
      Typical user's response to your points:
      1. Loads of virus: "I don't get viruses, I have Norton Internet Security preloaded!"
      2. Loads of DRM: "Dee-R-What? Oh, is that like the itunes thing that makes my ipod work? I love my ipod!"
      3. Loads of apps that are illegal to run: "Huh?"

      Seriously, I have no idea what you're getting at with "illegal to run," unless you mean pirated software, in which case, well, you can run unlicensed commercial software on Linux, too, but that don't make it legal...

    3. Re:Welll by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "More applications are arguably illegal to run on Linux than on Windows due to patent encumbrance."

      Not quite true.

      Same apps suffer from the same stuff on both platforms. It's just that on MS you are more likely to find a commercial version that you have to pay for that has actually licensed the patents.

      SOme you may get free with your PC, like a DVD playing app, but that doesn't mean much.

    4. Re:Welll by FxChiP · · Score: 1

      iTunes is not all DRM-free -- only the music is, and if you purchased DRM-encumbered music they charged you some fee per song.

  68. Who says Linux best? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    George Costanza?

  69. Why not... by cronco · · Score: 1

    Why not make something like "I am Spartacus"? Viruses dressed as Romans have a lot of people gathered up and start asking who's Linux. Then some random cool-geeky-looking-type stands up and sais "I'm Linux" then a whole lot of other random people stand up, all walks of life and start saying "I'm Linux." You know, community & internationalization & everything else?

    I'd do this myself but I'm lacking in resources or talent or time to pull this off.

  70. Re:Yup, calling your competitors nerds sure is cle by node+3 · · Score: 1

    How are Microsoft's nationally broadcast advertisements only "attempts" to respond Apple's "clever" strategy of "make the other guys look lame and nerdy"?

    Because they didn't work.

  71. My "I'm Linux" is boring... intentionally! by erroneus · · Score: 1

    Long long ago, I started using Linux. First as an internet sharing device, next to host a little web, then added mail. I used Windows because I was (and still am) learning Japanese and wanted to keep myself immersed as much as possible and nothing in Linux at the time could do it as easily as Windows. I kept testing and trying until eventually it matured and now it is better than Windows. I switched at the very moment I considered XFree86 (there was no X.org yet) and GNOME were both Japanese-compatible and Japanese-comfortable enough for me to switch and I haven't looked back since. Initially to get my switch on, I made the wilful determination not to dual-boot and not to do anything that couldn't be done under Linux. This really cut out my gaming, frankly, but it was a fairly healthy decision as I wasted too much time playing games anyway. But for everything else, it wasn't quite as polished as existing matured Windows-ware but progress was being made. This was long ago. Things have really progressed. It may seem slow and gradual, but for anyone who has been involved with Linux as long as I have, it is very clear that significant gains and strides have been made. (We don't yet have a Linux president yet, but I have HOPE for CHANGE one day...)

    My "I'm Linux" video would be that I don't do anything special at all with Linux. I do everything that everyone else does with Linux and typically more. I do it without threat of malware or "system rot" (slowness over time) or fear that something like a music CD might actually contain a back-door into my computer. I do it without paying anyone anything I don't want to buy with digital rights management or other such nonsense. I do it without a corporation telling me what "cool" is and not letting me do anything that isn't "cool." I do it without making my personal computer into a marketing channel for millions of companies I don't care about. I'm Linux. I do what I want to do... not what they want me to do.

  72. It's the product, not the marketing by turing_m · · Score: 1

    Great product, shame about the marketing. That's why Canonical / Ubuntu is so important.

    Important for... the marketing? I disagree. It's the product. I must have tried to convert to Linux at least 5 times, and most times I tried several distributions - Redhat, Debian, Mandrake, SUSE, PCLinuxOS, Fedora, Ubuntu (in the early days), as well as the small distros like DSL and Puppy. I did not find any of them to be really livable at the time I tried them. Ubuntu Feisty was the first time I found a distro that did things acceptably enough for me to live with, even though because of its popularity I really did not want to like it. Canonical/Ubuntu is important because they have lowered the bar to Linux adoption through working on ease of use issues and through their newbie friendly ubuntuforums.org. The emphasis is on great product first, the marketing will take care of itself.

    I think in many cases the next logical adopters of Linux know what Linux is and why they should adopt it. They have seen friends they admire use it and envy the power, or heard it talked up in online forums. Marketing is not needed for them. They know that learning Linux is an investment - more work up front that will pay back that effort and more in the long term. Chances are good that they have indeed tried it before and failed. In many of those cases, they will try it again. Why? Windows is like the abusive alcoholic boyfriend - the user is the battered wife that keeps coming back despite all the flaws because he's the devil they know, and it's less work! But every so often, Windows will push people to their limits - a malware hosed computer, having to pay the MS tax, whatever.

    Even those who have tried Linux, fail and vow to never go there again will be tempted to do so again out of pride when they see someone with less technical skill embrace linux. (If that klutz can make it work, why can't I?)

    On a related note, a pertinent question to ask in terms of marketing is "What sort of user isn't currently using Linux now but would find it useful? How do I reach them?", and more importantly, "What sort of user will cause many other people to use Linux? How do I reach them?". Asking that will provide most bang per buck.

    I think in a lot of ways the product is there and the right people are adopting it. Hacker kids embrace Linux because it is powerful and they have unlimited time to make things work. Entrepreneurial kids (and people in general) embrace Linux because they have time and ability but lack money, which allows low-risk business experimentation. Even if they don't start companies, they appreciate the low-cost aspect of Linux. As those two groups of people move up the IT ladder, the corporate ladder or bring new corporations into being, Linux will infiltrate the corporation. As both groups of people install Linux in the homes of their families and friends, the install base will also grow as people are initially exposed or forced into using Linux, then become familiar with it and resistant to change.

    --
    If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
    1. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Americano · · Score: 1

      even though because of its popularity I really did not want to like it.

      For real? You actively try to dislike things that are popular, simply because they're popular? You must miss out on an awful lot of good stuff in life, then.

      I think in many cases the next logical adopters of Linux know what Linux is and why they should adopt it.

      If these people exist, then Linux needs to figure out an answer to this deceptively simple question:

      if these "next adopters" know about Linux, and know they should adopt it, why aren't they?

      With Linux fans, the blame seems to be placed squarely on the users for being too stupid or ignorant to adopt what is "clearly" a superior operating system. I'll be honest with you, my experiences with Linux make me think it's just as much the "abusive alcoholic boyfriend" as you claimed Windows is. It works (* mostly *) if you have supported hardware, but the moment you look at some unsupported video card or network driver, it pitches a fit and leaves you with a black eye.

    2. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "For real? You actively try to dislike things that are popular, simply because they're popular? You must miss out on an awful lot of good stuff in life, then."

      He's not the only one. I do too. In a world where what's popular is reality tv and big, bland brands, I decided many years ago that popular didn't mean good. It means mediocre at best, lowest common denominator drivel more usually.

      If something popular is actually any good then it'll stick around a while, and maybe I can try it then.

      That said, Ubuntu is pretty ace, and Ubuntu's kind of popularity doesn't even register on the scale compared to the cultural things I do avoid (Harry Potter, Britney Spears etc)

    3. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Americano · · Score: 1

      He's not the only one. I do too. In a world where what's popular is reality tv and big, bland brands, I decided many years ago that popular didn't mean good. It means mediocre at best, lowest common denominator drivel more usually.

      Wow. Just wow. I congratulate you for fighting conformity by putting on a different uniform.

      Why does it matter if other people like or don't like the things you do? Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions about what you enjoy without using "pop culture" as a guide?

      For all the sneering Linux advocates like to do at Mac "fanbois," this "anti-cool is the new cool" attitude is hilarious to me. Welcome to the new club, same as the old club.

    4. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by irockash · · Score: 1

      It works (* mostly *) if you have supported hardware, but the moment you look at some unsupported video card or network driver, it pitches a fit and leaves you with a black eye.

      I think if you're discussing video cards, you've already gone over the average users heads. Really you're just alienating the mid-tech-savvy group (I'm included here... I love my dual monitors). That maybe a stretch, but I'm just surprised at the lack of "I gave parent/child/puppy a Linux machine and they were easily able to use it for browsing/music/document/porn" stories. Aside from a few artists, everyone I know is summed up by just a few applications, put the spotlight on these and it should at least spark some interest. The only distribution i've ever used was Ubuntu, and it was insanily easy the first start up, within minutes I was on the web and had all my updates installed. I'm planning on dual-booting on my netbook with XP (which came with StarOffice by the way), and as long as it works better than XP, it should be fine for simple tasks.

      It might be easier to make a knockoff of the "Mojave" experience Windows had, or get some Justin Long look alike and throw Linux in as a spoof.

    5. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by ToasterMonkey · · Score: 1

      Screw Linux and try *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc. You might find a better community, server, desktop, or whatever. Shit, try everything, there is lots of software out there that doesn't come with whiney, quasi-religious undertones attached.

      *shrug*

      You sound like all those other "non-conformists" that dress alike...

      I happen to favor Solaris over Linux as a server, but I'd still love to try out HPUX and AIX someday. That's real choice; nobody makes me feel guilty for not running with the pack. I know what Harry Potter's target demographic is, but I'll watch that shit and not give a fuck because it's not all that bad.

      This is what made me realize I was drinking the Linux Kool-Aid a while back.. what would it take for you to switch from the Linux kernel to the HURD kernel? To anyone that just felt little shields going up in their head, or just cracked a HURD joke, you are sucking that Kool-Aid down hard. Anyone who feels defensive when BSD is brought up.. wipe that red shit off your mouth fools, dead giveaway. It might be a while before you could use a Microsoft OS and being mature as you can be, find something constructive to say about it that Linux could improve on, but feeling defensive around other non-linux OSS projects is a big red flag that you need to take a moment to introspect.

    6. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "Screw Linux and try *BSD, Solaris, OS X, etc. You might find a better community, server, desktop, or whatever. Shit, try everything, there is lots of software out there that doesn't come with whiney, quasi-religious undertones attached."

      Neither does Linux.

      BTW, I worked with a solaris workstation as my main machine for a couple of years until a month back. In my professional capacity I 'own' an HPUX box, two windows boxes and various linux boxes. I also regularly work on AIX, solaris and linux for mainframe.

      You sound like all those other "non-conformists" that dress alike...

      And you sound like a judgemental asshat. I don't know where you got any idea that I don't like anything but Linux, perhaps you ought to examine the workings of your own "fair and balanced" mind.

      That's real choice; nobody makes me feel guilty for not running with the pack. I know what Harry Potter's target demographic is, but I'll watch that shit and not give a fuck because it's not all that bad.

      I don't feel guilty for running with the pack, I just think the pack are usually morons and have little to no taste. I said in my last post that I don't consider this to apply to ubuntu though.

      HURD? I'd try it if it worked and had anywhere near the hardware support. I also track ReactOS as an interesting aside.

      Now go on, tell me why you decided I was a linux zealot?

    7. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "Why does it matter if other people like or don't like the things you do?"

      It doesn't. I just find that in general I can dismiss anything that becomes part of pop culture because it's mediocre crap. Saves a lot of time once you realise most people are stupid and have no taste.

      Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions about what you enjoy without using "pop culture" as a guide?

      I'm interested in how you arrived at that particular insult from my statement that I avoid things that become to popular because they're usually crap.

      I don't decide I don't like something because it's popular, I just don't flock to whatever the tabloids/tv are crowing about this week becauyse it's usually a waste of time and usually a pretty good indicator that it's a load of crap.

      For all the sneering Linux advocates like to do at Mac "fanbois," this "anti-cool is the new cool" attitude is hilarious to me. Welcome to the new club, same as the old club.

      Well done for including me in a club I have nothing to do with. You are now officially a judgemental asshat that leaps to unsupported conclusions. Have a cookie.

    8. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Americano · · Score: 1

      Really you're just alienating the mid-tech-savvy group

      Nope. Windows was termed the "alcoholic abusive boyfriend," because people keep using it even though it does bad stuff to them. Most people do not have a completely-Linux-ready system sitting on their desktop (remember, we're talking wireless, video, and all those other little devices and things they think of as "their computer"), and trying to shoehorn Linux into *that* is often just as frustrating as having Windows beat you up. Switching one set of frustrations and annoyances for another doesn't mean "the new guy" is treating you that much better, and that applies across a lot larger section of the market than "mid-tech-savvy" users.

    9. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Americano · · Score: 1

      It doesn't. I just find that in general I can dismiss anything that becomes part of pop culture because it's mediocre crap.

      So I'm a judgemental asshat that leaps to unsupported conclusions, but you're a model of careful and thoughtful deliberation on the value of things, when your thought process goes like this: "Lots of people like it. It's probably crap."

      Most thoughtful people will realize that the personal enjoyment they gain from something has very little to do with "whether or not other people like it," but that seems to be a major indicator for you, by your own admission.

      From your earlier post:

      I decided many years ago that popular didn't mean good. It means mediocre at best, lowest common denominator drivel more usually.

      And then you ask how people draw these conclusions? Perhaps you'd care to reword that statement if you feel it was poor wording. But that statement above puts you squarely in the "it's more important to appear elite than to actually have my own opinion," club. Don't put on the hurt "woe is me" air and claim the big meanies on slashdot are misinterpreting you.

    10. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Nursie · · Score: 1

      "And then you ask how people draw these conclusions? Perhaps you'd care to reword that statement if you feel it was poor wording. But that statement above puts you squarely in the "it's more important to appear elite than to actually have my own opinion," club."

      Read it however you like.

      I'll repeat that through experience I've discovered that most stuff that gets popular is mediocre crap, so something being very popular immediately puts me off as it is very likely brainless, lowest common denominator nonsense.

      If that says "shallow person driven by image and elitism" to you then that's your interpretation. Enjoy impartially investigating reality tv and plastic pop bands.

    11. Re:It's the product, not the marketing by Americano · · Score: 1

      Thank you, I will!

  73. Uh, advertising agency? by QuincyDurant · · Score: 0
    This stuff is not as easy as it looks. Apple's agency also handles Whiskas. They created an original and emotion-laden sales appeal from this:

    Sufficient Water for Processing, Chicken, Liver, Soy Oil, Corn Starch-Modified, Wheat Gluten, Natural Flavors, Guar Gum, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Taurine, Salt, Vitamins (Vitamin A Acetate, dl-Alpha Tocopherol Acetate [Source OF Vitamin E], Thiamine Mononitrate [Vitamin B1], Pyridoxine Hydrochloride [Vitamin B6], Riboflavin Supplement [Vitamin B2], Folic Acid), Disodium EDTA, Caramel Coloring, Sodium Nitrite (for color retention), Minerals (Manganese Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate), BHA/BHT (a preservative).

    My idea: Slashdot people stick to slashdottery and raise enough money to hire creative professionals to change consumers' minds about Linux.

  74. Direct Links to YouTube Versions of the Videos by LinuxScribe · · Score: 2, Informative

    In order to facilitate access to the videos, we have uploaded several that were hosted locally on our site over the weekend to YouTube, which should allow the LF video site to handle the /. traffic load.

    Also, here are the direct links to the videos mentioned in the summary, in the order they were listed:

    "hilarious but inappropriate"
    http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1095
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjRdA25yauU

    "well-made but creepy"
    http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1246
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXhRVCMyGwM

    "I'm sure it sounded good in your head"
    http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1244
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m2azKFJZrg

    "one"
    http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1261
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwmfyeHBFlM

    "two"
    http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1057
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svaHnha-PXs

    Thanks for your patience,
    Brian Proffitt
    Community Manager

  75. sluuuur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im sure with all the open-source available someone
    can hack together a video from interviews from un-
    suspecting people from the sreeet ...
    "i'm a linux"

  76. IBM Linux Ad by Phrogman · · Score: 1

    This is much better than the ones above in my opinion and it doesn't simply make a play on the Mac/PC adds from Apple like Novell's ads did earlier.

    This is pretty classy if a bit obscure:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgo3BBgWDA&NR=1

    And this one, long but well done:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVwnxKOpxqU&NR=1

    Not as good and playing off the MS "I'am a PC" ads:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONhGoxFqNWc&NR=1

    --
    "The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
    1. Re:IBM Linux Ad by Phrogman · · Score: 1
      --
      "The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
  77. Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does your computer run incredibly slow? Does it crash randomly for no apparent reason? Does a well documented function often do something weird or unexpected? Chances are, you are running a Microsoft product.

    Come out of the Microsoft dark ages and into the light. A brand new age where your computer does what you want it to do, not what some corporate executive allows it to do.

    We are Linux Labs and we are here to help.

    1. Re:Commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      where your computer does what you spend a lot of time meticulously programming it to do

      there, fixed that for you
      I mean, I'm not hating on Linux, but honestly, if it came pre-configured, and had a standardized GUI that I could use to alter a medium sized set of the most common factors, I'd be slightly more inclined to give it a fifth shot.

      No, I can't program, no I don't want to learn, even though knowing how to do it very well would be cool. I have other things to do with my time.

      List of things Linux needs before I would adopt it for more than novelty use:
      option to have it come pre-installed from a store (check)
      option to have no-brains control over appearance, and some functionality (semi-check)
      not have to go hunting for drivers for my new hardware (yeah, right)

      oh yeah, and essentially be completely indistinguishable from Windows, with the exception of the occasional slowdowns I have, or the security issues (I can't even stand the way Mac O/S interface is, and I loathe the whole programs stay running when there's not a window open thing)

      although with Linux there is the kill -9 command, which is a saving grace

  78. Hans Reiser! by garethw · · Score: 1

    "Hello! I'm Hans Reiser! I'm Linux!"

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    garethw
  79. Evil bit by Tetsujin · · Score: 1

    shouldn't that be like 'fan'gels or something to keep in line with the forums theme? Just saying is all...

    No, I think that makes the joke an order of magnitude more awkward and not any funnier.

    Why stick to a "forums theme" anyway? Folks can talk about things on forums that aren't forum-related, you know...

    --
    Bow-ties are cool.
  80. the one marked "one" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seems alright, I mean, other than the stupid setup... except, by sharing the doughnut they each only get half! WTF!
    I have two issues with this:
    one, this doesn't at all represent real life with how sharing Linux is. When you share Linux you still get to have the whole thing (provided you follow the terms it is being offered under.)

    two, who wants only half a doughnut?

  81. my commercial. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would like to see a commercial where a user turns on his shiny new laptop running Gates 2010. The system prompts him to enter a 35-digit CD-Key, which is barely legible and located on the *bottom* of his computer. He types in the product key, and the computer talks. It says, "This product key is invalid, you filthy Pirating scumbag!" The user types the key a second and a third time (with fast animation). The computer continues to taunt him each time and refuse to function.

    Flash forward to another scene, where the user is enjoying his laptop. The user tells his computer to record a show from television, and it refuses. The synthesizer comes on again and says "Only Pirates record TV... get to the store and buy the DVD before I notify the mafIAA!" (The computer's box should be near buy, and it should clearly state that the computer can function as a DVR.)

    At the end of the commercial, everything goes black. Then, one line of text appears:

    Linux: because the computer should do what you tell it to.

  82. How vague by 4D6963 · · Score: 2, Informative

    OK cool that French video got me sold on Linux because it seems to say that if I put that Linux thing on computers then cute French nurses will fall for me and laugh at my jokes. But what's that Linux thing you're talking about, where do I get it? *googles some* okay, looks like there's lots of them, so what do I want, RedHat, Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware?

    My point is, while you can tell people "got milk?" cause they know how to obtain milk, you can't tell people "get Linux", it's too confusing. Choose a precise product and market it.

    --
    You just got troll'd!
  83. Who says I'm Linux the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The hot chick in the spooof commercials!

  84. Give up the dream of a majority linux desktop by 1310nm · · Score: 1

    Linux has a long way to go for the common man. People buy computers with Windows or OSX installed, not linux. If they get linux accidentally, as we already saw with netbooks, they return it. There is so much easy-to-install software available for Windows, the methods while using it are familiar, they're heavily entrenched with the OEMs (and corrupt enough to fight with them over linux if need be), have a lot of money to spend on advertising and legal fees, etc, etc, etc. Moms, dads, and grandparents are never, ever going to download an Ubuntu ISO and try to install it. Why not instead focus on what linux IS good at? For instance, a while back I needed to serve up subdomains that had SSL security enabled for each one on the same IP address. IIS does this with a little metabase hackery, but Apache is completely incapable of it. Keep Windows down in the server market. There aren't any really stand-out "Small Business Server" equivalent distros, either, which is especially maddening considering most small businesses would love a free, stable OS for the services they take for granted.

  85. Geek pride. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two ordinary cool advert-type people walking along, having a discussion.
    "So, if you don't know much about cars, what's the best way to decide what car to buy?"
    "Well, I guess you find someone who knows about cars, and ask them."
    "And how do you choose what toothpaste to choose?"
    "I suppose you could ask your dentist what toothpaste he uses."
    "And what about computers? What operating system do you go for?"

    Cut to a series of short clips of geeky types in their basements, all showing off their Linux desktops and professing their love for the penguin.

    Slogan: "Linux. If you don't believe us, ask your geek."

  86. how about ... by guysmilee · · Score: 1

    I am John/Sue ... This is my Linux (hold up phone, mp3 player, point to server rack, google) etc

  87. I don't think that's really true for Apple by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    Apple is not really in the business of selling functional computers to "make 'real stuff'" that you don't have to think about. They in large part really are selling the computer itself, and want you to focus on the computer, not just on what you're going to do with it. That's why they put such a huge effort into style and branding; the metallic laptop style was not introduced because it made it easier to make real stuff with them.

  88. linux commercial by packrat2 · · Score: 1

    dropped this project on a few other people..
      then forgot about it myself...

      (rant mode on, then stuffed inna dumper)

      we are the future anyway.
    pat

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    packrat ; writer-informer. http://packrat.comicgenesis.com http://www.youtube.com/area163 https://www.smashwords.com/
  89. sum of all the people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Linux is not one person.
    The phrase should be:
    a) composition of millions of people saying "i'm Linux".. as in all the help of people creating oss
    b) or no single voice should be selected as there is no single Linux distro

  90. Parrots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok... while scanning the headlines on the front page, the juxtaposition of the Parrot 1.0.0 release and this article put images in my head of people training their parrots to say "I'm Linux".

  91. Look, We Got a Black Guy Too! by srobert · · Score: 1

    Glad you posted that. Our alternative American Peoples Front Party was looking for a black guy to be chairman.

  92. Linux, am I by ZuluZero · · Score: 0

    Yoda already does the penguin walk... (looks over shoulder for Lucas Lawyers...)

  93. Was Never My Dream by srobert · · Score: 1

    I don't care about Linux getting a majority of desktops. But when the share of computers running non-Microsoft products gets too small, the internet becomes largely incompatible with anyone not using MS software.

  94. and besides... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And besides, why on earth would a third-tier OS with less than a 2% market share need a PR campaign... especially since it's free (meaning there is no way to even pay for advertising, etc)?

    Lunix needs it's own personal version of the Wookie defense.