I think you're underestimating things. In my worst case scenario this event destroys the power grid for the entire US during the middle of a record heat wave.
1)No, I don't think they would have means of leaving. First, where would they go? There's no power anywhere. People by and large will stay where they think they are safe until desperation drags them out of their homes. The government will also initially tell people to stay calm and stay in their homes.
2)No, there is not enough busing capacity to deal with a mass exodus of every major city in the US. It would be an impossible undertaking during a normal day. There will not be the capacity for it within days of the power grid being destroyed let alone a week afterward. Where would these people go? There's no place for them.
3)No, cities by and large are not prepared for the grid being destroyed. That was the point of the article. There aren't enough generators warehoused right now to do what you're suggesting. The power grid was just destroyed. In every US city.
Even during optimal times a major heat wave can cause hundreds of deaths in large cities in FIRST world nations. Without air conditioning this will be much worse. Modern buildings are not designed to be occupied without working central air. Without an adequate water supply you will not last 3 days. Third world countries suffer just as much. We just don't hear about it.
Regarding gasoline and generators, in a worst case scenario there will be zero refining because the power grid is dead. I'd like to think they'd be brought back online quickly, but how long do you think it will take to get all of them operational again? Days? Weeks? Gasoline supplies will be extremely tight very quickly.
The local government may be able to bring in a few generators to make water flow for a while, but I don't think they'll be able to sustain that across an entire metropolitan area. We don't have enough generators warehoused to supply one city with enough to provide all the basic services. Every city will need them.
Unless this event lasts long enough to fry the entire hemisphere, diesel will have some limited availability(some amounts of it are brought in pre-refined). So yes, some amounts of trucking will be available.
However, there will be enough bottled water to last days. I doubt there is enough warehoused bottled water in the country right now to keep a single major metro area in drinking water for a week. And we're talking about every single one in the US.
Heat stroke kills. Within days there will be no major medical center left with adequate supplies or generator power. So people that would normally survive a heat stroke will die.
I think you're really underestimating the impact of the destruction of the electrical grid of the US and are willfully ignoring the cascade effect that such an event will have.
I'm merely stating that I think tens of thousands of people will die because of lack of AC and water. I'm not estimating the numbers that will die due to fire, starvation and civil unrest. Those numbers will be much higher.
No, worst case is it happens during the middle of a heat wave and tens of thousands die in the big cities because they have no air conditioning, no water and no means of leaving the city.
And the ceramic body armour breaks after only one bullet. After that you are on your own.
Actually, the plates generally in use by NATO nations are designed to stop up to 3 hits from 7.62 rounds. Now, granted "designed to" doesn't mean they will, but if you're suggesting that the plate is useless after only one hit from a 5.56 round, then you're just plain wrong.
You're talking about the NIJ testing requirement for level 3 plates. They are required to stop 3.308 rounds. NIJ certified level 4 plates are required to only stop 1 30-06 Armor Piercing round. This ends up having very strange effects on plate design. It is correct that a level 4 ceramic plate can shatter and become ineffective after stopping only one round.
Other weirdness of the design of plates is the things they will and won't stop. Some level 3 plates will stop the required 3.308 rounds, but will be penetrated by M193 5.56MM rounds. Others will stop M193 all day long but be penetrated by M855 5.56MM. Some will stop M193 but not M855, and vice versa.
It's strange, but that's how the NIJ testing standards for level 3 and level 4 work currently. There are more than a couple of websites around that do other ad-hoc testing on armor plates and vests to try to do more extensive testing.
By mega crap I assume you mean twitch combat with a loot based component system. It was one of the good pieces of that game. Eve is definitely not twitch.
Not really. Tritium is applied to the iron sights, so that they are visible in the dark.
Something else that was bugging me about this comment, Tritium Gas is enclosed in a capsule with a flourescent coating. This capsule is either part of a completely different night sight, or the original iron sights are drilled out and the capsule is put in place. So Tritium night sights aren't applied like paint. They're installed just like any other accessory.
But to be honest, I know many more civilians with carry permits that have night sights installed than I do police departments that have them assigned to all their officer's weapons as standard issue.
I'm wondering if the second installment won't get a relatively frigid reception from the viewers. A couple of reasons. First, would be my perception of the readership of the follow up books. I honestly don't think a lot of people have read the other books in the series. Second, the newness will have worn off. I couldn't wait to get more info from SciFi when they announced they were making a dune miniseries. The announcement of a second one, now that I have the first, doesn't make me feel quite as psyched.
I really want to see all of 'em made, but if the second installment flops badly I can't imagine that SciFi would continue to throw money down the toilet.
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Many people fail to learn about politics, many don't know why such systems exist, how a law is passed, what a republic is, or what they are entiltled to do for their country as citizens of it.
I think this problem is prevalent throughout the US, and not a special problem with the techies. People have become disillusioned by a system they see as corrupt and unchangeable. Why would you want to fight within a system when you know it is broken, or worse, fixed by the house to make you ineffective?
I for one feel very strongly about several issues, but also feel that the current system is locking the majority out while pandering to a small but vocal minority of special interests. I give time and money, but feel very poorly about the effectiveness of either.
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The UN was even going to impose sanctions, but the US vetoed it -- protecting their ally.
Do you have a source for that? The first list I found of USA Vetoes in the UN doesn't list anything relating to condemning Iraqi gas attacks.
I think you're underestimating things. In my worst case scenario this event destroys the power grid for the entire US during the middle of a record heat wave.
1)No, I don't think they would have means of leaving. First, where would they go? There's no power anywhere. People by and large will stay where they think they are safe until desperation drags them out of their homes. The government will also initially tell people to stay calm and stay in their homes.
2)No, there is not enough busing capacity to deal with a mass exodus of every major city in the US. It would be an impossible undertaking during a normal day. There will not be the capacity for it within days of the power grid being destroyed let alone a week afterward. Where would these people go? There's no place for them.
3)No, cities by and large are not prepared for the grid being destroyed. That was the point of the article. There aren't enough generators warehoused right now to do what you're suggesting. The power grid was just destroyed. In every US city.
Even during optimal times a major heat wave can cause hundreds of deaths in large cities in FIRST world nations. Without air conditioning this will be much worse. Modern buildings are not designed to be occupied without working central air. Without an adequate water supply you will not last 3 days. Third world countries suffer just as much. We just don't hear about it.
Regarding gasoline and generators, in a worst case scenario there will be zero refining because the power grid is dead. I'd like to think they'd be brought back online quickly, but how long do you think it will take to get all of them operational again? Days? Weeks? Gasoline supplies will be extremely tight very quickly.
The local government may be able to bring in a few generators to make water flow for a while, but I don't think they'll be able to sustain that across an entire metropolitan area. We don't have enough generators warehoused to supply one city with enough to provide all the basic services. Every city will need them.
Unless this event lasts long enough to fry the entire hemisphere, diesel will have some limited availability(some amounts of it are brought in pre-refined). So yes, some amounts of trucking will be available.
However, there will be enough bottled water to last days. I doubt there is enough warehoused bottled water in the country right now to keep a single major metro area in drinking water for a week. And we're talking about every single one in the US.
Heat stroke kills. Within days there will be no major medical center left with adequate supplies or generator power. So people that would normally survive a heat stroke will die.
I think you're really underestimating the impact of the destruction of the electrical grid of the US and are willfully ignoring the cascade effect that such an event will have.
I'm merely stating that I think tens of thousands of people will die because of lack of AC and water. I'm not estimating the numbers that will die due to fire, starvation and civil unrest. Those numbers will be much higher.
No, worst case is it happens during the middle of a heat wave and tens of thousands die in the big cities because they have no air conditioning, no water and no means of leaving the city.
Actually, the plates generally in use by NATO nations are designed to stop up to 3 hits from 7.62 rounds. Now, granted "designed to" doesn't mean they will, but if you're suggesting that the plate is useless after only one hit from a 5.56 round, then you're just plain wrong.
You're talking about the NIJ testing requirement for level 3 plates. They are required to stop 3 .308 rounds. NIJ certified level 4 plates are required to only stop 1 30-06 Armor Piercing round. This ends up having very strange effects on plate design. It is correct that a level 4 ceramic plate can shatter and become ineffective after stopping only one round.
Other weirdness of the design of plates is the things they will and won't stop. Some level 3 plates will stop the required 3 .308 rounds, but will be penetrated by M193 5.56MM rounds. Others will stop M193 all day long but be penetrated by M855 5.56MM. Some will stop M193 but not M855, and vice versa.
It's strange, but that's how the NIJ testing standards for level 3 and level 4 work currently. There are more than a couple of websites around that do other ad-hoc testing on armor plates and vests to try to do more extensive testing.
That's probably because they have never run into a valuable QA/QE engineer. There are a lot of bad ones out there.
By mega crap I assume you mean twitch combat with a loot based component system. It was one of the good pieces of that game. Eve is definitely not twitch.
Definitely way too early. Too bad they were forced to due to cash problems. Vanguard could have been so much better.
Not really. Tritium is applied to the iron sights, so that they are visible in the dark.
Something else that was bugging me about this comment, Tritium Gas is enclosed in a capsule with a flourescent coating. This capsule is either part of a completely different night sight, or the original iron sights are drilled out and the capsule is put in place. So Tritium night sights aren't applied like paint. They're installed just like any other accessory.
But to be honest, I know many more civilians with carry permits that have night sights installed than I do police departments that have them assigned to all their officer's weapons as standard issue.
Not really. Tritium is applied to the iron sights, so that they are visible in the dark. Night vision scopes are electronic in nature
That's what I said. Night sights. As opposed to iron sights. Very much different from Night Vision Scopes/Goggles.
police with tritium on thier guns
Why would police have tritium on their guns?
Night sights have Tritium in them. It's how they glow in the dark.
Last time I talked to any of the teaching assistants there they did check all the positive hits by hand just to make sure.
So who has it, or who knows where to find one?
I'm wondering if the second installment won't get a relatively frigid reception from the viewers. A couple of reasons. First, would be my perception of the readership of the follow up books. I honestly don't think a lot of people have read the other books in the series. Second, the newness will have worn off. I couldn't wait to get more info from SciFi when they announced they were making a dune miniseries. The announcement of a second one, now that I have the first, doesn't make me feel quite as psyched.
I really want to see all of 'em made, but if the second installment flops badly I can't imagine that SciFi would continue to throw money down the toilet.
I think this problem is prevalent throughout the US, and not a special problem with the techies. People have become disillusioned by a system they see as corrupt and unchangeable. Why would you want to fight within a system when you know it is broken, or worse, fixed by the house to make you ineffective?
I for one feel very strongly about several issues, but also feel that the current system is locking the majority out while pandering to a small but vocal minority of special interests. I give time and money, but feel very poorly about the effectiveness of either.
Ahh. Little explanation needed for the joke.
The ACLU doesn't believe the 2nd amendment protects individuals(i.e. the regular people, like them).