If they were growing their own drugs you would sort of have a point. But their meth/crack/weed money goes to some fairly nasty people (encouragement and power to them), who don't do drug stuff exclusively.
Ah, so you're one of those "smoking pot leads to twin towers being blown up" theorists? Always good to get your opinions on drugs from mass-marketing media.
And if it became accepted to do crack, and more people did it, less cool stuff would be done in the real world, because more people would have fun doing crack instead.
I'm not sure I follow. You're saying if we can smoke crack absolutely no one would do anything else? I'd have to disagree with you there because I wouldn't smoke it. And, yes, I'm one of those evil potheads who funds terrorism. I did try to grow my own for moral reasons, but was too stoned all the time to get it right. Did I need to put sarcasm tags in there, or did you get it on your own?
So, stfu.
Well, you've brought out the "you disagree with me, so I've ceased listening" argument. Good for you! Way to make a point! Woot!
Just because everyone and their sister smokes pot in the US doesn't mean it's a good thing.
It also don't make it anything close to a bad thing.
I'm not a believer in morality as an absolute, aka religious stuff, but if you put it into (beneficial|detractive) for (me|some group|society|the human race), I'd say drugs are on the detractive side.
Well, congrats, you managed to eek out an opinion. A completely wrong opinion, but an opinion nonetheless. The only reason you believe drugs are on the detractive side of society is because you've failed to do any real research on the issue. Yes, drugs can be devastating to SOME individuals, but not everyone who picks up a crack pipe will end up turning tricks in an alley for their next fix. You take away the drugs completely, they'll find some other way to destroy their lives. You need to fight the root issue, not the symptoms.
Maybe not for the individual crackhead (probably though), but the laws are (ideally, some crap exists) there to guide society onto a route that is beneficial for society, not dopeheads.
Well, I'm glad that you're not one of those all-knowing religious moralists who believes that they know the path society should head and wants to implement all kinds of laws that lead it in their direction. No, you're an all-knowing NON-religious moralist who believes that they know the path society should head and wants to implement all kinds of laws that lead it in your direction.
There wasn't that many other ones back then that were up to snuff in the mid 1990s
I'll be an adult and ignore the grammar and spelling and assume your first language wasn't English. Too many Americans just assume that the language, which is among one of the more difficult to learn, is the only one anyone speaks and they should at least speak it as well as they do. But, I digress...you point out the fact that there weren't many other browsers in the '90s, and then wonder why the two best were the only ones really duking it out? How does that logic work? Is it the fault of the "audience" that no one wanted to use a crappy browser in the hopes that others will use it, and thus entice the author to make it better? If the author didn't care enough about their browser long enough to make it viable without everyone using it, what's the chance they'll do it if people DO care?
Do you think those happened in a void? MS spends billions every year working with end-users to better find out what those users want. If they make a change to their GUIs, I'm pretty damn sure someone's grandmother had a say in that change, no matter how small.
Is the closed source code of Windows preventing us from actively defending our systems?
No, it has nothing to do with source code, it has everything to do with people being morons who can't secure a Windows system. It's really not that hard, folks, pick up a book. Do you know how to secure a *nix box? You're halfway there! You use the same damn methodologies. God, why is this so hard for people to get? And people wonder why they're shipping IT jobs overseas. Let's see, we can get incompetent people for $30/hour, or incompetent people for $30/day. Hmmmmm...touch decision.
...when your HR department is told "all potential candidates MUST have MCSEs!" You end up with a bunch of morons who can barely SPELL "NT", let alone administer any machines.
Yeah, but that's just your opinion. I bought a Powerbook last summer to start playing with OSX. I just sold it a couple of months back and went back, happily, to XP. I couldn't stand their interface. No, let me clarify...the interface was nice, but I found it terribly difficult to use. Too mouse-centric, and considering the mouse is a PITA with its one button, that didn't work for me. It might be nice and simple for first time users and long time Mac users, but I personally don't see how anyone can switch from Windows to OSX and find it easier to use. Just the fact that there's two different key combos to switch between windows was annoying enough for me to give up on it. Other than that, it was about as stable as Windows (I'm not your typical Slashdotter, I know what I'm doing, so that wasn't an insult. Windows has been rock-solid as far as I'm concerned since NT4). I wasn't impressed with the performance. The 1.3G G4 wasn't nearly as fast as the 1.0G P3 I replaced it with.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and they're full of shit.
Because otherwise the BSA nazis invade- and if you don't have that paper license, it's several thousand per machine.
Please. The BSA doesn't go after home users. Hell, they barely go after BUSINESS users. After an unreasonable termination a couple of years back, I sent a report in to the BSA. I was able to send them a list with every piece of software they had illegally installed on every machine. I even pointed them to the company's "Restrictions Bypass" page on their website. There, they posted a couple of in-house written scripts that were written for the express purpose of bypassing licensing restrictions from a couple of vendors. There was also a couple of Adobe serial number generators up there. They were placed on the website so salesmen could easily download them and use them. The company figured "even if we get raided, they're not going to the salesmen's houses. Why pay for their software?"
After three months of calling them a couple of times per week, they finally admitted that they weren't going to pursue it due to "lack of evidence". Even if you ignore the detailed listing of software alone, the fact that the company had an essetially publicly available website where they knowingly posted software cracking tools should have been good enough for a warrant, DMCA or not!
That having failed, I sent the same information to each vendor they were stealing software from. I made sure to point out to MS and Adobe the stuff on their website for bypassing licensing. Their response? "Thank you for your concern. All of our piracy issues are now handled by the BSA....."
Unfortunately, the stats you're presented aren't always the most accurate. For example, when speaking of American gun deaths, the standard is to include people killed by the police in the commission of a crime. OTOH, when speaking of gun deaths in other countries, you don't include those numbers. That way, you maximize the number on the American side while minimizing the number for other countries.
What? You mean like the credit reporting houses? Yeah, that oughta work. They do such a wonderful job of keeping track of my credit. Consistently and fairly with no hassle at all if they make a mistake. I'm sure that would work just great for patents.
According the RealDoll FAQ, (t work, can't get you a link to the FAQ iteself) they suggest placing your inanimate lover in a tub of hot water for a while to warm her up before use.
I actually only purchased the router over the weekend and upgraded it then. I haven't played around with the power settings, primarily because I don't really need it. I was just pointing it out as a "cool" feature you get by using an aftermarket firmware. I'll keep your advice in mind, though, if I do decide to ramp it up.
There are instructions on the HyperWRT website for installing the software, but in a nutshell it's the same process as upgrading your firmware. That's because it IS a firmware upgrade. Click Administration -> Firware Upgrade. Don't do it wirelessly, though. You MUST plug in to an ethernet port to do it, or you'll end up with a pretty blue brick. This is not a possibility, it's an absolute certainty. Aside from that, there are no "gotchas". It's the same as the current Linksys firmware, but with a few more features.
For example, HyperWRT has managed to find the setting on a WRT54G to double the output power. You can also modify the hardware to add an LCD display, two serial ports (to use as console, our you could connect a modem and setup a backup PPP dial-up connection in case of broadband outage) and a smart card slot. For $69 I got a small Linux box to play with, with working wireless, and a 200Mhz processor.
If you want a good car, you'll pay more than if you just want a cheap car
Ignoring the typical American "if it's more expensive, it MUST be better" stupidity, I have to disagree that the Mac is not worth the extra cost. I bought a Powerbook last June and used it as my primary computer until I sold it last month. I sold it because it was just too much of a PITA compared to Windows. Now, keep in mind I'm a keyboard person, so the fact that OSX is almost exclusively mouse-intensive was the main reason for my displeasure. I just found it to be very inefficient a UI for day to day use. For a home user, it might be worth it, but I couldn't deal with it. I liked the look of the UI, and there's a few things they did better than MS. But, on the whole, I'm much happier back on a Windows box with Cygwin installed and using FlyaKite to "replace" the Windows stuff I liked less than the OSX versions. We'll also ignore how much heavier, and hotter, the PowerBook was compared to a non-Apple laptops.
I'd be glad to pay him upwards of $50/hr for labor and a good margin for the cost of materials.
Sorry, you get to dictate what you'll pay, not what someone charges. If the only mechanic in town is charging $51/hour, then buy a bike. Too bad.
What's most disgusting is your blatent hypocrisy. You admit the software has a high value you to you... "but (I) want to stay up-to-date on the latest software and know whats out there, so I can deal with it in the future", but you're not willing to pay for it. I'm going to assume you're an IT drone who wants to stay up to date to keep their salary. You're willing to make thousands of dollars a year in salary to support the software, but only so long as you don't have to pay for it.
You're a hypocritical, petty thief who steals from corporations and then sells services based on that theft to other corporations. You try to convince yourself and others that you're on some kind of higher moral plane for it, but you're not Robin Hood. You're just a hood.
Not so. They took advantage of a feature in the Kerberos V5 draft spec called the data authorization field that exists in the spec, but for some reason no one else uses. They're following the spec as they're supposed to, other implementations are not.
You've heard of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?"
For the slashdot/FOSS crowd it's, "If you can't beat 'em, bitch and complain about everything they do while not providing anything better."
Oh please, this is just typical liberal socialist scare mongering.
Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there. I've been a staunch Republican all of my voting life, I even voted for GWB twice. But, frankly, the people currently calling themselves Republican are nothing more than "The Tax & Spend Christian Party", imposing their warped, hypocritical and hateful religious agenda on the country and the world. I used to believe that if I wasn't doing anything wrong, I had nothing to fear, but I don't believe it anymore.
You even point it out in your argument Well maybe if you are mistaken for someone who is doing someone wrong, or... What happens then? Well, if the police and DA's office believe you're the one, then they'll put the full weight of their power squarely on your back until you break. Even better, if Patriot II is passed, and you're mistaken for a wrong-doer, you can disappear in the middle of the night and no one will know why. Grand.
They've got control of the House, they've got control of the Senate, they've got the White House. And now, with Sandy D leaving, they'll have the Supreme Court, too. I feel so wrong for voting as I did last year. Oh, well, that's why I'm making plans for Canada next year.:)
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I just sold my Powerbook, the first Mac I've owned in 15 years because I couldn't stand how mouse-centric it was. When I'm working, I reach for the mouse only when absolutely necessary, but what made OSX' app-switching more annoying was the fact that you used one key combo to switch between apps, and another to switch between app windows. I tried using Witch for a while, but it was too slow to be usable. Using the keyboard AND the mouse (Expose'=f9+click) was just too much work. Good for you that it works for you. I thought the interface was very nice, but too difficult to use for someone who was keyboard-centric. In fact, I use Fly-a-kite on my Windows box to implement the good parts of the interface, but with a better user experience (for me).
I tell ya, the one thing that drove me absolutely insane was the Home & End keys. On every other OS, they take you to the beginning and end of the line, but on OSX, they take you to the beginning and end of a document. Shortcut keys should be used to speed common tasks. I'm much more likely to jump around WITHIN a document, than to the beginning and end. And, don't even get me started on jumping between words!:)
I would have given him a technical "pop quiz", too. The fact that he has a doctorate makes no difference in the "plus" category, but every difference in the "negative" category. He's got a degree, great, he understands the theory, can he do the practical? Considering the recent reports of large cheating rings in colleges these days, does anyone really trust a degree that's put in front of them? This arrogance about degrees has got to go. Too often, they're just arrogant pricks who have spent 10 years learning theory from other people who've never worked in the field.
Poor baby, he got offered a job he didn't want. Man, and I thought they were being funny when the Simpsons asked, "Can't a guy walk down the street in this country without someone offering him a JOB?" Go back to school whiner, we'll all be happier.
While I'm not one to jump on any "pro-Kodak" bandwagon, I do give them credit for doing a pretty good job of cleaning up their acts. Kodak hasn't gotten any fines for environmental violations for a number of years now. As for the Genesee, well...the Genesee flows north, not south, and only encounters a Kodak plant just past the High Falls, and just before it dumps into Lake Ontario. Kodak can't be blamed for the quality of the river if it doesn't have any contact with it. And the beach...those are unusable due to high bacterial levels, no chemical.
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If they were growing their own drugs you would sort of have a point. But their meth/crack/weed money goes to some fairly nasty people (encouragement and power to them), who don't do drug stuff exclusively.
Ah, so you're one of those "smoking pot leads to twin towers being blown up" theorists? Always good to get your opinions on drugs from mass-marketing media.
And if it became accepted to do crack, and more people did it, less cool stuff would be done in the real world, because more people would have fun doing crack instead.
I'm not sure I follow. You're saying if we can smoke crack absolutely no one would do anything else? I'd have to disagree with you there because I wouldn't smoke it. And, yes, I'm one of those evil potheads who funds terrorism. I did try to grow my own for moral reasons, but was too stoned all the time to get it right. Did I need to put sarcasm tags in there, or did you get it on your own?
So, stfu.
Well, you've brought out the "you disagree with me, so I've ceased listening" argument. Good for you! Way to make a point! Woot!
Just because everyone and their sister smokes pot in the US doesn't mean it's a good thing.
It also don't make it anything close to a bad thing.
I'm not a believer in morality as an absolute, aka religious stuff, but if you put it into (beneficial|detractive) for (me|some group|society|the human race), I'd say drugs are on the detractive side.
Well, congrats, you managed to eek out an opinion. A completely wrong opinion, but an opinion nonetheless. The only reason you believe drugs are on the detractive side of society is because you've failed to do any real research on the issue. Yes, drugs can be devastating to SOME individuals, but not everyone who picks up a crack pipe will end up turning tricks in an alley for their next fix. You take away the drugs completely, they'll find some other way to destroy their lives. You need to fight the root issue, not the symptoms.
Maybe not for the individual crackhead (probably though), but the laws are (ideally, some crap exists) there to guide society onto a route that is beneficial for society, not dopeheads.
Well, I'm glad that you're not one of those all-knowing religious moralists who believes that they know the path society should head and wants to implement all kinds of laws that lead it in their direction. No, you're an all-knowing NON-religious moralist who believes that they know the path society should head and wants to implement all kinds of laws that lead it in your direction.
There wasn't that many other ones back then that were up to snuff in the mid 1990s
I'll be an adult and ignore the grammar and spelling and assume your first language wasn't English. Too many Americans just assume that the language, which is among one of the more difficult to learn, is the only one anyone speaks and they should at least speak it as well as they do. But, I digress...you point out the fact that there weren't many other browsers in the '90s, and then wonder why the two best were the only ones really duking it out? How does that logic work? Is it the fault of the "audience" that no one wanted to use a crappy browser in the hopes that others will use it, and thus entice the author to make it better? If the author didn't care enough about their browser long enough to make it viable without everyone using it, what's the chance they'll do it if people DO care?
Do you think those happened in a void? MS spends billions every year working with end-users to better find out what those users want. If they make a change to their GUIs, I'm pretty damn sure someone's grandmother had a say in that change, no matter how small.
Is the closed source code of Windows preventing us from actively defending our systems?
No, it has nothing to do with source code, it has everything to do with people being morons who can't secure a Windows system. It's really not that hard, folks, pick up a book. Do you know how to secure a *nix box? You're halfway there! You use the same damn methodologies. God, why is this so hard for people to get? And people wonder why they're shipping IT jobs overseas. Let's see, we can get incompetent people for $30/hour, or incompetent people for $30/day. Hmmmmm...touch decision.
You miss my point. When used as an insult, you don't have to use Windows to be an "MCSE". :)
...when your HR department is told "all potential candidates MUST have MCSEs!" You end up with a bunch of morons who can barely SPELL "NT", let alone administer any machines.
Apple makes great software and hardware.
Yeah, but that's just your opinion. I bought a Powerbook last summer to start playing with OSX. I just sold it a couple of months back and went back, happily, to XP. I couldn't stand their interface. No, let me clarify...the interface was nice, but I found it terribly difficult to use. Too mouse-centric, and considering the mouse is a PITA with its one button, that didn't work for me. It might be nice and simple for first time users and long time Mac users, but I personally don't see how anyone can switch from Windows to OSX and find it easier to use. Just the fact that there's two different key combos to switch between windows was annoying enough for me to give up on it. Other than that, it was about as stable as Windows (I'm not your typical Slashdotter, I know what I'm doing, so that wasn't an insult. Windows has been rock-solid as far as I'm concerned since NT4). I wasn't impressed with the performance. The 1.3G G4 wasn't nearly as fast as the 1.0G P3 I replaced it with.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one, and they're full of shit.
Because otherwise the BSA nazis invade- and if you don't have that paper license, it's several thousand per machine.
Please. The BSA doesn't go after home users. Hell, they barely go after BUSINESS users. After an unreasonable termination a couple of years back, I sent a report in to the BSA. I was able to send them a list with every piece of software they had illegally installed on every machine. I even pointed them to the company's "Restrictions Bypass" page on their website. There, they posted a couple of in-house written scripts that were written for the express purpose of bypassing licensing restrictions from a couple of vendors. There was also a couple of Adobe serial number generators up there. They were placed on the website so salesmen could easily download them and use them. The company figured "even if we get raided, they're not going to the salesmen's houses. Why pay for their software?"
After three months of calling them a couple of times per week, they finally admitted that they weren't going to pursue it due to "lack of evidence". Even if you ignore the detailed listing of software alone, the fact that the company had an essetially publicly available website where they knowingly posted software cracking tools should have been good enough for a warrant, DMCA or not!
That having failed, I sent the same information to each vendor they were stealing software from. I made sure to point out to MS and Adobe the stuff on their website for bypassing licensing. Their response? "Thank you for your concern. All of our piracy issues are now handled by the BSA....."
Nope, fear not the BSA. They're all talk.
check out your murder rates and gun crime figures
Unfortunately, the stats you're presented aren't always the most accurate. For example, when speaking of American gun deaths, the standard is to include people killed by the police in the commission of a crime. OTOH, when speaking of gun deaths in other countries, you don't include those numbers. That way, you maximize the number on the American side while minimizing the number for other countries.
Don't worry if you didn't know about that. I'm sure you also didn't know the UK is seriously considering banning pointy knives to cut down on knife deaths. Silliness knows no national bounderies.
allow multiple competing patent granting companies.
What? You mean like the credit reporting houses? Yeah, that oughta work. They do such a wonderful job of keeping track of my credit. Consistently and fairly with no hassle at all if they make a mistake. I'm sure that would work just great for patents.
One that's dedicated her life to the service of teh lord? ;-)
I have to ask: habbit? Isn't that what happens when Bilbo mates with Hazel-rah? :)
According the RealDoll FAQ, (t work, can't get you a link to the FAQ iteself) they suggest placing your inanimate lover in a tub of hot water for a while to warm her up before use.
I actually only purchased the router over the weekend and upgraded it then. I haven't played around with the power settings, primarily because I don't really need it. I was just pointing it out as a "cool" feature you get by using an aftermarket firmware. I'll keep your advice in mind, though, if I do decide to ramp it up.
There are instructions on the HyperWRT website for installing the software, but in a nutshell it's the same process as upgrading your firmware. That's because it IS a firmware upgrade. Click Administration -> Firware Upgrade. Don't do it wirelessly, though. You MUST plug in to an ethernet port to do it, or you'll end up with a pretty blue brick. This is not a possibility, it's an absolute certainty. Aside from that, there are no "gotchas". It's the same as the current Linksys firmware, but with a few more features.
I wish I had some mod points to give you, as this is the first rational comment I've seen in this thread. I had to go a long way to get to it, too. :)
For example, HyperWRT has managed to find the setting on a WRT54G to double the output power. You can also modify the hardware to add an LCD display, two serial ports (to use as console, our you could connect a modem and setup a backup PPP dial-up connection in case of broadband outage) and a smart card slot. For $69 I got a small Linux box to play with, with working wireless, and a 200Mhz processor.
If you want a good car, you'll pay more than if you just want a cheap car
Ignoring the typical American "if it's more expensive, it MUST be better" stupidity, I have to disagree that the Mac is not worth the extra cost. I bought a Powerbook last June and used it as my primary computer until I sold it last month. I sold it because it was just too much of a PITA compared to Windows. Now, keep in mind I'm a keyboard person, so the fact that OSX is almost exclusively mouse-intensive was the main reason for my displeasure. I just found it to be very inefficient a UI for day to day use. For a home user, it might be worth it, but I couldn't deal with it. I liked the look of the UI, and there's a few things they did better than MS. But, on the whole, I'm much happier back on a Windows box with Cygwin installed and using FlyaKite to "replace" the Windows stuff I liked less than the OSX versions. We'll also ignore how much heavier, and hotter, the PowerBook was compared to a non-Apple laptops.
I'd be glad to pay him upwards of $50/hr for labor and a good margin for the cost of materials.
Sorry, you get to dictate what you'll pay, not what someone charges. If the only mechanic in town is charging $51/hour, then buy a bike. Too bad.
What's most disgusting is your blatent hypocrisy. You admit the software has a high value you to you... "but (I) want to stay up-to-date on the latest software and know whats out there, so I can deal with it in the future", but you're not willing to pay for it. I'm going to assume you're an IT drone who wants to stay up to date to keep their salary. You're willing to make thousands of dollars a year in salary to support the software, but only so long as you don't have to pay for it.
You're a hypocritical, petty thief who steals from corporations and then sells services based on that theft to other corporations. You try to convince yourself and others that you're on some kind of higher moral plane for it, but you're not Robin Hood. You're just a hood.
they subtly changed the Kerberos protocol
Not so. They took advantage of a feature in the Kerberos V5 draft spec called the data authorization field that exists in the spec, but for some reason no one else uses. They're following the spec as they're supposed to, other implementations are not.
You've heard of "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em?"
For the slashdot/FOSS crowd it's, "If you can't beat 'em, bitch and complain about everything they do while not providing anything better."
Oh please, this is just typical liberal socialist scare mongering.
... What happens then? Well, if the police and DA's office believe you're the one, then they'll put the full weight of their power squarely on your back until you break. Even better, if Patriot II is passed, and you're mistaken for a wrong-doer, you can disappear in the middle of the night and no one will know why. Grand.
:)
Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you there. I've been a staunch Republican all of my voting life, I even voted for GWB twice. But, frankly, the people currently calling themselves Republican are nothing more than "The Tax & Spend Christian Party", imposing their warped, hypocritical and hateful religious agenda on the country and the world. I used to believe that if I wasn't doing anything wrong, I had nothing to fear, but I don't believe it anymore.
You even point it out in your argument Well maybe if you are mistaken for someone who is doing someone wrong, or
They've got control of the House, they've got control of the Senate, they've got the White House. And now, with Sandy D leaving, they'll have the Supreme Court, too. I feel so wrong for voting as I did last year. Oh, well, that's why I'm making plans for Canada next year.
Yeah, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I just sold my Powerbook, the first Mac I've owned in 15 years because I couldn't stand how mouse-centric it was. When I'm working, I reach for the mouse only when absolutely necessary, but what made OSX' app-switching more annoying was the fact that you used one key combo to switch between apps, and another to switch between app windows. I tried using Witch for a while, but it was too slow to be usable. Using the keyboard AND the mouse (Expose'=f9+click) was just too much work. Good for you that it works for you. I thought the interface was very nice, but too difficult to use for someone who was keyboard-centric. In fact, I use Fly-a-kite on my Windows box to implement the good parts of the interface, but with a better user experience (for me).
:)
I tell ya, the one thing that drove me absolutely insane was the Home & End keys. On every other OS, they take you to the beginning and end of the line, but on OSX, they take you to the beginning and end of a document. Shortcut keys should be used to speed common tasks. I'm much more likely to jump around WITHIN a document, than to the beginning and end. And, don't even get me started on jumping between words!
Not distributing it, just making it publicly available for view to anyone who asks. But, aside from that one tiny point, your's was the best analogy.
I would have given him a technical "pop quiz", too. The fact that he has a doctorate makes no difference in the "plus" category, but every difference in the "negative" category. He's got a degree, great, he understands the theory, can he do the practical? Considering the recent reports of large cheating rings in colleges these days, does anyone really trust a degree that's put in front of them? This arrogance about degrees has got to go. Too often, they're just arrogant pricks who have spent 10 years learning theory from other people who've never worked in the field.
Poor baby, he got offered a job he didn't want. Man, and I thought they were being funny when the Simpsons asked, "Can't a guy walk down the street in this country without someone offering him a JOB?" Go back to school whiner, we'll all be happier.
While I'm not one to jump on any "pro-Kodak" bandwagon, I do give them credit for doing a pretty good job of cleaning up their acts. Kodak hasn't gotten any fines for environmental violations for a number of years now. As for the Genesee, well...the Genesee flows north, not south, and only encounters a Kodak plant just past the High Falls, and just before it dumps into Lake Ontario. Kodak can't be blamed for the quality of the river if it doesn't have any contact with it. And the beach...those are unusable due to high bacterial levels, no chemical.