You may use an underclocked Core 2 Duo or AMD, that'd be much better than a Pentium 4. Not hard at all to replace the motherboard later but keeping case, power supply, hard drive, (PCIe) network cards.
300W is also not really possible unless you do GPU grid computing, or CPU grid computing on a really overclocked and hot CPU.
Like everyone everywhere is able to pay recurring fees for every little thing, yearly or monthly for decades on.
If you could get something like a lifetime subscription for mail at $100 I guess many would sign up (includes a choice of webmail like roundcube, squirrel etc.) Perhaps $50, perhaps long term (20 years or delete after 5 years you didn't log in)
We're not only not willing to pay. Once you're paying for email, you have to keep paying (and have a valid debit card or banking account, etc.). You may pay for a domain name, perhaps have some redirection trickery going on so conceivably it would be no big deal to lose that email service. But then, here's your domain recurring fee and renewal. It feels like hackers and tech companies have trouble renewing their domain (perhaps the rule of domains is if you get a domain, then you forget about it till the last minutes). So imagine your grandma paying recurring fees she doesn't know how to cancel, AND she lost her domain.
I'll even pay for an email service that doesn't support html and discards pictures, if you let me pay once and only once.
Windows itself is fairly decent, I've even seen Windows 7 run on an Athlon XP with 768MB RAM just fine for offline duties. Windows Update is a nightmare, easily the most demanding application on a Windows PC and seemingly non-deterministic. You can leave it for an hour, with the fake progress bar treading water and the CPU somewhat hammered and it fails to find updates forever. There was that WUReset script that helped, and now my VM fails to update. Also I have a physical installation with Windows 7 SP0 and that bug that SP1 fails to install.
I've got to wonder how many millions PC are at risk of bad malware infestation because the updater just doesn't work.
I've sort of wanted to retract my comment, as the discussion seemed a bit heated, well I think I sounded aggressive and don't want to.
In the news there is Supermicro moving into consumer hardware (Z170 motherboards) and consumer brands (Asus, Gigabyte) doing motherboards with C2xx chipsets. But not sure if they'll further the cause of sensors support. I might have the motherboard brands in too high esteem ; I've always thought that's where you found "freedom", that is much more freedom that with OEM PCs. I do and advise to buy motherboards rather than OEM usually. Spent over a decade on DOS/Windows though (I still do firmware upgrades from raw DOS as much as I can)
Methanol would be for the ease of storage. Another "great" idea like that is to produce NH3 (ammonia) from H2 (Haber-Bosch or similar), so that it's easier to store than H2 and has a pretty nice energy density per volume. I want to believe it's a good idea but it's likely too energy intensive to be competitive.
Maybe you're right in some sense but you're discarding 99% of desktop hardware. Few are interested into getting server hardware to run a desktop. Or skimping on food, clothing and transportation for that (not everyone is US middle class) Not sure how voting dollars work if you're representing 0.0001% of the market.
Do you really want to kill off all bacterias, microscopic mushrooms and whatever else? Assuming you can do it my uneducated guess is that your plants will die off.
Perhaps the microbial life present on and inside humans will find its ways into interacting with the plants, maybe that'll help them, maybe they'll be worse off than with the original "pests" and "germs" you exterminated. Want to get rid of all that microbial life infesting humans? Then the humans die off. In fact poo transplantation is a medical procedure sometimes used in humans at risk of imminent death because of lack of suitable microbial "parasites".
It's also fairly irrelevant if a) you're not running specific productive software under MS Windows (that may mean running a particular plug-in for Photoshop) or b) you're playing a game and the CPU doesn't keep up (e.g. you're stuck at 20 fps even at lowest details and resolution)
Well not really, since Intel has put cheap dual core, dual thread CPU on the market that have an incredibly high single thread performance. e.g. Celeron G1820 is cheaper than A6-6400K, and Pentium is cheaper than A6-7400K (or same price)
AMD is good somewhere at the mid range, and if you're not gaming.
I saw a couple electric chargers I didn't know about the other day. A couple people were chatting about it, one was remarking that the cars parked next to it were non electric. That's the current state of the art, before hardly anyone is owning personal electric cars. Might work in the stereotypical american town with square kilometers of parking lots but that's it.
Wow talk about being on a high horse. So you can see voltages on server hardware, that's a good thing. I've never seen voltages reported on a desktop. And I like low end, reliable boards with a ton of BIOS options and firmware upgrades available i.e. mine runs a CPU that came three years after the board first came out on the market. Do you have a Supermicro board or something? Tyan, etc. If so you likely paid more for the motherboard that I did for motherboard, CPU, RAM and power supply.
The sensors library on linux supports like 10-20% sensors out there whereas a Windows monitoring program supports more like 95-99%. That looks more like a failure of linux (or BSD etc.) to support the hardware rather than a problem with the quality of hardware.
On Windows when you have some hardware trouble you can go to the Device Manager, whose GUI hasn't changed for 20 years. Download CPU-Z and GPU-Z to get fine details on some of your hardware if you're curious (you can know about used and empty RAM slots without opening the machine) Importantly, with any third party software tool you can view all temperatures and voltages reported by sensors, whereas linux will show you one to three temperatures and no voltage. This means you can't diagnose the PSU, although it was more important in the early 2000s when quality of PSU was much lower. (as a partial workaround you may stick a voltmeter into the 12V)
This news beats what I assumed till now : that the amdgpu driver is ONLY for the newest GPUs.
We have it much better now but the question is then of timing, i.e. will you get support in time for Ubuntu 16.04? Or perhaps, Ubuntu 16.04.1 (maybe Mint 18.1).
At least they didn't announce support for GCN 1.0/1.1 many monthes ago, leading to more waiting frustration but it seems like this takes ages and no public hard schedule dates could be given. That makes AMD seem fairly understaffed (though the linux kernel has its own schedule too, and Xorg, Mesa etc. ). Hoping AMD will not skimp on software and drivers as they get more "established". That is the main weakness compared to their well known GPU competitor, or so it is perceived.
Nope I'm a Mate guy too, I dislike the themes in Ubuntu Mate and the few hot pink icons here and there. Funnily I liked how Ubuntu 10.04 looked when it came out, and it was mostly the same. But 10.04 was likely more "polished" and coherent owing to small differences everywhere like the choice of fonts, slightly different look of panels, how the menus were populated stuff like that.
I'm making the most frivolous of arguments there:)
To me a device has the connotation of being a peripheral or a component, in the context of computers or PC. Or worse, an appliance. Unlike a device, a computer has no particular purpose. Maybe I'd better stop using the Web with it, that would leave time to do other things. I'm thinking of it as a piece of paper. Paper is a writing device? Not really, you can also draw, compose music, fold it, start a fire, sit on it or do yet many more things with it.
I disagree. For one thing the integrated video now sits under the CPU heatsink and fan, so no more risk of overheating or dying or whining fan. For another thing, the integrated video is very fast today, actually better than many graphics cards and is not a drain on the CPU at all considering it sits on some hugely fast internal bus and fairly accesses the memory controller (or L3 on Intel). Integrated graphics was deemed good enough for PS4 and Xbox One.
Might be a socket AM2 motherboard with an AM3 processor in it. Takes a now mediocre quad core that is still reasonable, 8GB memory or even up to 16GB as 4GB sticks of DDR2 exist and pretty much only run on that platform. Else it might be an Intel (post-Pentium 4) with up to 8GB memory.
It's running Windows so the graphics card runs fast and stable whether it's wildly outdated or from 2010 or later. Takes any storage, hard drives and all. An SSD if present is stuck at less than 300MB/s but who cares, and you can even add a very cheap two-port controller, SATA 6Gb/s crippled by the PCIe 1x interface (5Gb/s)
Age is becoming a poor proxy for judging computer speed. A brand new laptop isn't really better, although a modern 2GHz Intel core has quite a bit more punch than an older 3GHz one. My guess is the motherboard just doesn't die despite years of beating. 2006 is past the worst years of really crappy, unreliable hardware.
In the olden days, you were stuck at 1024x768 or 1280x800 on an affordable laptop and today there's plenty of 1440p, 1800p etc. if you look for it (not that I'm interested in such a high pixel density. With no special software scaling I find the pixels to be too small on 15.6" 1080p)
ah yes, the same but uglyer. Although yes it ought to be useful for very recent Intel graphics (use Ubuntu 15.10), or a computer so old that it can't boot from USB.
I agree very much but I have a couple fears with Wayland : - many apps may fail to implement mouse selection -> paste on middle click. Worse, we may get lectured by "designers" about how we do not actually want to do that? - a new round of bugs and graphics driver limitations, obviously.
I suppose a 3D desktop on Wayland will have less bugs than a 3D desktop on Xorg, but more than a 2D desktop on Xorg. But may still have some new bugs anyway. A crapton of applications will still require X so will run in the nested X server : have fun with the new bugs in that. (e.g. GIMP? GIMP is on GTK2.)
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You may use an underclocked Core 2 Duo or AMD, that'd be much better than a Pentium 4.
Not hard at all to replace the motherboard later but keeping case, power supply, hard drive, (PCIe) network cards.
300W is also not really possible unless you do GPU grid computing, or CPU grid computing on a really overclocked and hot CPU.
It works for every country, even this one : https://100.org/wp-addons/maps...
DPRK stands to save 19% of GDP in health costs each year.
Like everyone everywhere is able to pay recurring fees for every little thing, yearly or monthly for decades on.
If you could get something like a lifetime subscription for mail at $100 I guess many would sign up (includes a choice of webmail like roundcube, squirrel etc.)
Perhaps $50, perhaps long term (20 years or delete after 5 years you didn't log in)
We're not only not willing to pay. Once you're paying for email, you have to keep paying (and have a valid debit card or banking account, etc.).
You may pay for a domain name, perhaps have some redirection trickery going on so conceivably it would be no big deal to lose that email service. But then, here's your domain recurring fee and renewal. It feels like hackers and tech companies have trouble renewing their domain (perhaps the rule of domains is if you get a domain, then you forget about it till the last minutes). So imagine your grandma paying recurring fees she doesn't know how to cancel, AND she lost her domain.
I'll even pay for an email service that doesn't support html and discards pictures, if you let me pay once and only once.
Windows itself is fairly decent, I've even seen Windows 7 run on an Athlon XP with 768MB RAM just fine for offline duties.
Windows Update is a nightmare, easily the most demanding application on a Windows PC and seemingly non-deterministic. You can leave it for an hour, with the fake progress bar treading water and the CPU somewhat hammered and it fails to find updates forever. There was that WUReset script that helped, and now my VM fails to update. Also I have a physical installation with Windows 7 SP0 and that bug that SP1 fails to install.
I've got to wonder how many millions PC are at risk of bad malware infestation because the updater just doesn't work.
I've sort of wanted to retract my comment, as the discussion seemed a bit heated, well I think I sounded aggressive and don't want to.
In the news there is Supermicro moving into consumer hardware (Z170 motherboards) and consumer brands (Asus, Gigabyte) doing motherboards with C2xx chipsets. But not sure if they'll further the cause of sensors support.
I might have the motherboard brands in too high esteem ; I've always thought that's where you found "freedom", that is much more freedom that with OEM PCs. I do and advise to buy motherboards rather than OEM usually. Spent over a decade on DOS/Windows though (I still do firmware upgrades from raw DOS as much as I can)
Methanol would be for the ease of storage. Another "great" idea like that is to produce NH3 (ammonia) from H2 (Haber-Bosch or similar), so that it's easier to store than H2 and has a pretty nice energy density per volume. I want to believe it's a good idea but it's likely too energy intensive to be competitive.
Maybe you're right in some sense but you're discarding 99% of desktop hardware. Few are interested into getting server hardware to run a desktop. Or skimping on food, clothing and transportation for that (not everyone is US middle class)
Not sure how voting dollars work if you're representing 0.0001% of the market.
Do you really want to kill off all bacterias, microscopic mushrooms and whatever else? Assuming you can do it my uneducated guess is that your plants will die off.
Perhaps the microbial life present on and inside humans will find its ways into interacting with the plants, maybe that'll help them, maybe they'll be worse off than with the original "pests" and "germs" you exterminated.
Want to get rid of all that microbial life infesting humans? Then the humans die off.
In fact poo transplantation is a medical procedure sometimes used in humans at risk of imminent death because of lack of suitable microbial "parasites".
It's also fairly irrelevant if a) you're not running specific productive software under MS Windows (that may mean running a particular plug-in for Photoshop) or b) you're playing a game and the CPU doesn't keep up (e.g. you're stuck at 20 fps even at lowest details and resolution)
AMD : the CPU performance of 2009, today.
Well not really, since Intel has put cheap dual core, dual thread CPU on the market that have an incredibly high single thread performance. e.g. Celeron G1820 is cheaper than A6-6400K, and Pentium is cheaper than A6-7400K (or same price)
AMD is good somewhere at the mid range, and if you're not gaming.
Why not use the methane directly, then? Or turn it into methanol.
I saw a couple electric chargers I didn't know about the other day. A couple people were chatting about it, one was remarking that the cars parked next to it were non electric.
That's the current state of the art, before hardly anyone is owning personal electric cars.
Might work in the stereotypical american town with square kilometers of parking lots but that's it.
Wow talk about being on a high horse.
So you can see voltages on server hardware, that's a good thing. I've never seen voltages reported on a desktop. And I like low end, reliable boards with a ton of BIOS options and firmware upgrades available i.e. mine runs a CPU that came three years after the board first came out on the market.
Do you have a Supermicro board or something? Tyan, etc. If so you likely paid more for the motherboard that I did for motherboard, CPU, RAM and power supply.
The sensors library on linux supports like 10-20% sensors out there whereas a Windows monitoring program supports more like 95-99%. That looks more like a failure of linux (or BSD etc.) to support the hardware rather than a problem with the quality of hardware.
On Windows when you have some hardware trouble you can go to the Device Manager, whose GUI hasn't changed for 20 years.
Download CPU-Z and GPU-Z to get fine details on some of your hardware if you're curious (you can know about used and empty RAM slots without opening the machine)
Importantly, with any third party software tool you can view all temperatures and voltages reported by sensors, whereas linux will show you one to three temperatures and no voltage. This means you can't diagnose the PSU, although it was more important in the early 2000s when quality of PSU was much lower. (as a partial workaround you may stick a voltmeter into the 12V)
You were lucky. Had to open the whole DOOM2.WAD in Sound Recorder!
This news beats what I assumed till now : that the amdgpu driver is ONLY for the newest GPUs.
We have it much better now but the question is then of timing, i.e. will you get support in time for Ubuntu 16.04? Or perhaps, Ubuntu 16.04.1 (maybe Mint 18.1).
At least they didn't announce support for GCN 1.0/1.1 many monthes ago, leading to more waiting frustration but it seems like this takes ages and no public hard schedule dates could be given. That makes AMD seem fairly understaffed (though the linux kernel has its own schedule too, and Xorg, Mesa etc. ).
Hoping AMD will not skimp on software and drivers as they get more "established". That is the main weakness compared to their well known GPU competitor, or so it is perceived.
Nope I'm a Mate guy too, I dislike the themes in Ubuntu Mate and the few hot pink icons here and there.
Funnily I liked how Ubuntu 10.04 looked when it came out, and it was mostly the same. But 10.04 was likely more "polished" and coherent owing to small differences everywhere like the choice of fonts, slightly different look of panels, how the menus were populated stuff like that.
I'm making the most frivolous of arguments there :)
To me a device has the connotation of being a peripheral or a component, in the context of computers or PC. Or worse, an appliance.
Unlike a device, a computer has no particular purpose. Maybe I'd better stop using the Web with it, that would leave time to do other things.
I'm thinking of it as a piece of paper. Paper is a writing device? Not really, you can also draw, compose music, fold it, start a fire, sit on it or do yet many more things with it.
I disagree. For one thing the integrated video now sits under the CPU heatsink and fan, so no more risk of overheating or dying or whining fan.
For another thing, the integrated video is very fast today, actually better than many graphics cards and is not a drain on the CPU at all considering it sits on some hugely fast internal bus and fairly accesses the memory controller (or L3 on Intel). Integrated graphics was deemed good enough for PS4 and Xbox One.
Might be a socket AM2 motherboard with an AM3 processor in it. Takes a now mediocre quad core that is still reasonable, 8GB memory or even up to 16GB as 4GB sticks of DDR2 exist and pretty much only run on that platform. Else it might be an Intel (post-Pentium 4) with up to 8GB memory.
It's running Windows so the graphics card runs fast and stable whether it's wildly outdated or from 2010 or later. Takes any storage, hard drives and all. An SSD if present is stuck at less than 300MB/s but who cares, and you can even add a very cheap two-port controller, SATA 6Gb/s crippled by the PCIe 1x interface (5Gb/s)
Age is becoming a poor proxy for judging computer speed. A brand new laptop isn't really better, although a modern 2GHz Intel core has quite a bit more punch than an older 3GHz one.
My guess is the motherboard just doesn't die despite years of beating. 2006 is past the worst years of really crappy, unreliable hardware.
In the olden days, you were stuck at 1024x768 or 1280x800 on an affordable laptop and today there's plenty of 1440p, 1800p etc. if you look for it (not that I'm interested in such a high pixel density. With no special software scaling I find the pixels to be too small on 15.6" 1080p)
ah yes, the same but uglyer.
Although yes it ought to be useful for very recent Intel graphics (use Ubuntu 15.10), or a computer so old that it can't boot from USB.
There is also a theory that the increased production is to mess up the economies of Russia and Iran.
Gas is shit? Well, for one thing gas-not-gasoline is a nice thing for running urban buses.
I agree very much but I have a couple fears with Wayland :
- many apps may fail to implement mouse selection -> paste on middle click. Worse, we may get lectured by "designers" about how we do not actually want to do that?
- a new round of bugs and graphics driver limitations, obviously.
I suppose a 3D desktop on Wayland will have less bugs than a 3D desktop on Xorg, but more than a 2D desktop on Xorg. But may still have some new bugs anyway.
A crapton of applications will still require X so will run in the nested X server : have fun with the new bugs in that. (e.g. GIMP? GIMP is on GTK2.)
Devices?
Please don't call my computer a device :)