I am glad to see that development opened a little. Not because I think it will speed the process up, but because I want to compile and use the newest Xgl! I am an Eye Candy addict.
Hopefully this WILL make development more transparant. The Xgl is needed for the future Linux desktop and I am glad Novell decided to play ball with everyone.
Oh course, the Xgl is still YEARS away from being shipped as the default on the desktop of a major distro. But we have to start somewhere, and people like me need the new eye candy fix!
Where do I send my money to get someone to write a Free Software video driver?
You don't. Nvidia and ATI could not care about you money- the only reason they made drivers for Linux in the first place was to sell high end cards to render 3D scenes.
If you really want to support open drivers, buy an ATI 9250 and help test EXA and Xgl on there. That is the best card we have with open drivers, and it seems like it will be on top for a LONG time.
This is exelent news, but what about Luminocity. Still rooting for this fella...
What about Luminocity? It was an experimental window manager created so that some of the Gnome guys could start work on using compositing and to begin to understand the connection between Opengl and the Linux Desktop.
I wrote a guy to install it if you want to try playing with it. Once you do use it you see what it really is- a tech demo. Its not a full window manager (it does not replace Metacity) and it actually seems that the compositor that is going into Metacity borrows almost nothing from it, so now it seems like it was a fun dead end.
I went through the trouble of logging in so I could give advice. I read about Linux graphics all day, and I can tell you which card has the best open driver: the ATI 9250.
Nothing else is close. Its the most powerful card on the market with open specs!
We have an open graphics card. Its called the ATI 9250. The specs are open- it has the best open source driver in the Xorg display world. Till the OpenGraphics project can beat the power of this card.....its not worth much. And thats why it can't get off the ground!
Window management, damage, rendering, automation, and a lot of other facilities are far better designed and more powerful in X11 than on other platforms.
Yeah, thats why I see tons of ghosting when I move windows around on my Ubuntu box yet my sister's Powerbook (which is far weaker) does not.
Damage on Xorg is only tolerable for me with xcompmgr running- saying its ahead of either OSX or Windows makes me laugh!
I don't understand the people saying that nothing big for end users comes with Xorg 7. For me Xorg 7 is my best Christmas present! Am I a Xorg hacker? No, I'm an eye-candy nut!
Also the new driver interface will bring improvements to the closed Nvidia driver once they get their head around it, and my 6600 GT will hopefully give me decent performance with Skippy-xd by the time Dapper comes.
Of course, this won't help most users because composite won't be turned on by a major distro for at least a year or two but for those of us on the Linux Eye Candy edge there is a whole new world open today.
By far Xorg is the most primitave part of the Linux desktop compared to the alternatives (especially with Openoffice.org2 out there) and this release is the first step towards the wonderful desktop that OSX people have now and Vista people will have next year. I can't wait soon enough for drop shadows, real transparancies, and minimize effects that do not suck!
I asked a "liberal" friend of mine if he couldn't see any difference between a Pat Robertson conservative and a Ron Paul conservative, and he said, "From my perspective, they look the same to me." I, being a gay man who's ideologically similar to a Ron Paul "conservative" (he's libertarian), apparently look no different from Pat Robertson to my "nuanced" friend. So much for "nuance"!
Surprise! Despite most people claiming to have a political slant, the majority of Americans don't know shit about politics. I live in Texas and I can promise that many self defined conservatives here are just as ignorant as your friend.
Its not that one side is smarter than the other or something- both parties have mostly idiots as supporters (who then happen to elect mostly idiots to Washington D.C). Once you learn that both parties are composed of people who really don't know about politics, then you can finally reach Political Nirvana (aka you never talk about politics again with people because you know its a waste of time).
So what I'm hearing is that you think a feminazi is anyone who's pro-choice, because we have laws in most states that prohibit commerce involving sex?
No. I think anyone who places such a high priority on the issue of "a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body" that it soley determines their personal policy is an example of a Feminazi because they are arguing for the correct policy with the wrong intentions. For example, if someone votes for a political candidate just because they are "pro-choice" I consider them to be a bad kind of feminist- many other issues are far more important to women and the legal precident in my nation (U.S.) shows that women HAVE NO RIGHT to do what they want to their bodies. Abortion rights are secured because of a right to privacy. Basically I am intollerant to those who really believe in a policial philosophy but don't understand it.
It is possible to be pro-choice, anti-drug-criminalization, and pro-prostitution, after all. That's practically the libertarian party line.
Yet most of the worst Feminists (image wise) claim to be liberals or Democrats. Hence my dislike of their kind.
For consistency, I think all of those who voted for Bush here in Texas because he would "stop gays from marrying" or "to end abortion" are dumbasses as well. Much bigger issues in life, and people on both sides pick the one that is 100% up to the Supreme Court. Sure politicians put people on that court, but that is a piss poor reason to vote for anyone where our society has so many other problems.
But if you must know I am personally against abortion, but I am not for making it illegal.
I have no idea why people think Bin Laden wanted a war.
Cause he started one.
He wanted a blow so hard that we would be afraid of war.
Yeah, I'm sure he thought that by knocking down a few buildings he would scare the most powerful nation in the history of the world away. That makes sense.
Now what he has is a war in his own backyard, with more democracies than before (Afghanistan and Iraq), women voting and participating, and going to school.
....And the International credibility of the U.S. is down the tubes because of "The War on Terror" he started. And American solders are put in harms way in Iraq. And the U.S. was shown to be a liar (WMDS!) that is weaker than everyone thought (can't find a way to end Iraq War).
Actually it seems that he got a lot of what he wanted.
As a moderate Texan, I can try to give you the definition of my more conservative peers (male and female) with quotes close enough to what I have heard on the subject. A feminazi is someone "foolish enough to believe that certain masculine things like competition and aggression will ever not exist on the planet." A feminazi is someone "that scorns women who chose to be simple housewives." A feminazi is someone "rejects the idea that men are better at some things." A feminazi is someone "puts the right to do what she wants with her body over the right of a child to be born."
I don't agree with any but maybe part of the last one. I have a problem with certain people going on and on about how "women have a right to do whatever they want to their bodies" in teh case of abortion when we have certain laws against prositution and drug use that prove that in our society that is not the case.
Its easy to live without a Nanny state. Just move to a semi-populated rural area where there is a lower crime rate with less prying police. The long arm of the law mostly gets you with its fingers (the members of law enforcement lower on the totem pole) so if you move to a place where its too many people to casually look but enough people where there is not a high crime rate then you can live free. Thats why so many drug dealers and makers in the U.S. live in rural or suburban areas- they can get away with more there.
Hence, it is still largely the case that a person can survive the pissant tests of their DMV, climb into a 3000LB killing machine, and then hurtle down the road drunk as a skunk and yellin' "yaaaaaahooo!". CRUNCH!
Just like you Europeans- we discover a way to control overpopulation in our own nation (a huge worldwide problem) and you just have to diss on it. You think you are SOOO fancy because you have better beer, a better internet connection, and better cars with better drivers, and better
.....wait. That sounds cool. Why do I stay in the U.S.? I yeah, now I remember. I can maintain a higher material standard of living because Wal-Mart and its pals make everything here dirt cheap. Mmmmmmmmmmmm cheap computer parts. Like the 230 Euro (thank God for the google currency converter) AMD 3800 x2 with matching motherboard I got at Frys the other day. Well worth the risk of death at the hands of a mom hauling ass to her kids' soccer practive in a new Ford SUV on the freeway next to me on the way to the computer store.
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All I want to know is: was a lot of work done on KDE's kompmgr? Can I finally get the shadows and real transparencies that OSX users take for granted on my ATI 9200 card without crashing? Or my Nvidia card?
Xorg 7 is almost here. With Xorg 7 comes EXA. With EXA comes a way to have stable, accerated eye candy. KDE 3.4 was ahead of its time for putting a compsite manager in Kwin, but it was so buggy that I had to stick to my old Xcompmgr+ Gnome/Metacity combination because I could turn off the composite for times when I need a stable desktop with the click of an icon with my old setup(I need stability for a few things). I plan to switch to whatever DE has a stable composite manager first.
Luminocity seems to be at least a year off, XFCE's composite manager is the most buggy I have dealt with, so all my hope is in KDE.
Does 3.5 have what I want? Or am I yet again left to wait a year for KDE 4 to come out? Will I be liberated from "the toy" Xcompmgr? Can I have a stable and modern Linux desktop before 2005 ends? Or do I wait another year (well.....I won't wait another year....if its like this in mid 2006 an Intel Macmini will sit on my desktop)?
Been trying to get 3D to work all day on my sons computer. Ubuntu 5.10 fails at it. Prior to Ubuntu I had SuSE 9.1 installed on the box and the card (PCI TNT) worked with no problems.
Recently Nvidia cut off all support in their drivers for TNT cards. There is a solution that Ubuntu has that some other distro lack- a legacy driver. Have a nice day.
Totem looks to be about a year's worth of development behind the very worst of the other media players, which is why I can't believe they made it the default.
I LOVE Totem-xine in Breezy. Its my favorite media player. The play list is nice, it always works with every file I try, it has great Xinerama support (aka it knows that when I want to go full screen on a video it should do it on the monitor I drag it on), and its the only Xine to work well with Xcompmgr.
I used to like Gxine more, but with the newest totem-xine things work great for me and I am to run composite all the time. So I guess to each to their own. Its easy to replace, and none can legally work out of hte box for most media anyway.
Right- I'm running 5.04 Hoary Hedgehog... I know there are later versions and eventually I will upgrade. But the fact that I do have to upgrade is significant within the context of the evaluation of the given distro.
A. The stable version of OO.org2 did not exist with the database program at the time Hoary was released- it would have been impossible for Hoary or any distro released around the time it did to satisfy your needs.
B. One of the benefits of Ubuntu of how easy it is to upgrade.
C. The next release -Dapper- is intended for Enterprise use as it will be supported on the desktop for years. Hoary was only the second release of Ubuntu ever.
They want an operating system "that can be tinkered with,"
That THEY can tinker with.You are assuming that these laptops will be just like any other personal computer you or I know. What they will probably be is a "virtual book" which has an easy way to write documents, surf the web, and use built in educational programs:
As in an appliance, not a full laptop. So that means that Jobs probably offered to have OSX at the core of this appliance and the project people said "its easy for us to make a limited purpose box with Linux because WE can tinker with it." As in the development libraries for the visual stuff is open. Plus they are not going to ship the laptops in single pieces, so there will be extreme nerdiness involved to get them to work:
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Hopefully this WILL make development more transparant. The Xgl is needed for the future Linux desktop and I am glad Novell decided to play ball with everyone.
Oh course, the Xgl is still YEARS away from being shipped as the default on the desktop of a major distro. But we have to start somewhere, and people like me need the new eye candy fix!
You don't. Nvidia and ATI could not care about you money- the only reason they made drivers for Linux in the first place was to sell high end cards to render 3D scenes.
If you really want to support open drivers, buy an ATI 9250 and help test EXA and Xgl on there. That is the best card we have with open drivers, and it seems like it will be on top for a LONG time.
What about Luminocity? It was an experimental window manager created so that some of the Gnome guys could start work on using compositing and to begin to understand the connection between Opengl and the Linux Desktop.
I wrote a guy to install it if you want to try playing with it. Once you do use it you see what it really is- a tech demo. Its not a full window manager (it does not replace Metacity) and it actually seems that the compositor that is going into Metacity borrows almost nothing from it, so now it seems like it was a fun dead end.
Try it, you will see what I mean.
Nothing else is close. Its the most powerful card on the market with open specs!
Because the Mini's graphics card is really weak! With my sister's Powerbook (64 mb of ram) its MUCH better.
We have an open graphics card. Its called the ATI 9250. The specs are open- it has the best open source driver in the Xorg display world. Till the OpenGraphics project can beat the power of this card.....its not worth much. And thats why it can't get off the ground!
Yeah, thats why I see tons of ghosting when I move windows around on my Ubuntu box yet my sister's Powerbook (which is far weaker) does not.
Damage on Xorg is only tolerable for me with xcompmgr running- saying its ahead of either OSX or Windows makes me laugh!
Takes longer eh? Is that why Nvidia cards were accerating the composite managers before EXA even had a name?
Personally, as long as it's better, I'll be happy, as nvidia is terribly unstable with composite enabled.
Try the newest drivers. I have not had Xcompmgr crash my system in two weeks! (of course it helps to have the newest xcompmgr too).
With Xorg 7 comes the chance for the first stable composite extension! So Xcompmgr will stop crashing (as much)! Also, by using my own guide I can get an accerated desktop with a ATI 9250 card that uses EXA (which is more stable than Nvidia's renderaccel)! So maybe...just maybe...I can get a Windows 98 level stable accerated desktop before 2005 ends, thereby beating Vista out the gate by a year. And since the KDE compositor is near stable, I can enjoy menu transparancies now when I log into Kubuntu without fear of crashing!
Also the new driver interface will bring improvements to the closed Nvidia driver once they get their head around it, and my 6600 GT will hopefully give me decent performance with Skippy-xd by the time Dapper comes.
Of course, this won't help most users because composite won't be turned on by a major distro for at least a year or two but for those of us on the Linux Eye Candy edge there is a whole new world open today.
By far Xorg is the most primitave part of the Linux desktop compared to the alternatives (especially with Openoffice.org2 out there) and this release is the first step towards the wonderful desktop that OSX people have now and Vista people will have next year. I can't wait soon enough for drop shadows, real transparancies, and minimize effects that do not suck!
There is a way to update kernel AND keep your Nvidia drivers working.
Surprise! Despite most people claiming to have a political slant, the majority of Americans don't know shit about politics. I live in Texas and I can promise that many self defined conservatives here are just as ignorant as your friend.
Its not that one side is smarter than the other or something- both parties have mostly idiots as supporters (who then happen to elect mostly idiots to Washington D.C). Once you learn that both parties are composed of people who really don't know about politics, then you can finally reach Political Nirvana (aka you never talk about politics again with people because you know its a waste of time).
For years I have disliked economic theory but I could never figure out why. Thanks for giving me a single sentence in which to rally behind.
No. I think anyone who places such a high priority on the issue of "a woman's right to do whatever she wants with her body" that it soley determines their personal policy is an example of a Feminazi because they are arguing for the correct policy with the wrong intentions. For example, if someone votes for a political candidate just because they are "pro-choice" I consider them to be a bad kind of feminist- many other issues are far more important to women and the legal precident in my nation (U.S.) shows that women HAVE NO RIGHT to do what they want to their bodies. Abortion rights are secured because of a right to privacy. Basically I am intollerant to those who really believe in a policial philosophy but don't understand it.
It is possible to be pro-choice, anti-drug-criminalization, and pro-prostitution, after all. That's practically the libertarian party line.
Yet most of the worst Feminists (image wise) claim to be liberals or Democrats. Hence my dislike of their kind.
For consistency, I think all of those who voted for Bush here in Texas because he would "stop gays from marrying" or "to end abortion" are dumbasses as well. Much bigger issues in life, and people on both sides pick the one that is 100% up to the Supreme Court. Sure politicians put people on that court, but that is a piss poor reason to vote for anyone where our society has so many other problems.
But if you must know I am personally against abortion, but I am not for making it illegal.
Cause he started one.
He wanted a blow so hard that we would be afraid of war.
Yeah, I'm sure he thought that by knocking down a few buildings he would scare the most powerful nation in the history of the world away. That makes sense.
Now what he has is a war in his own backyard, with more democracies than before (Afghanistan and Iraq), women voting and participating, and going to school.
....And the International credibility of the U.S. is down the tubes because of "The War on Terror" he started. And American solders are put in harms way in Iraq. And the U.S. was shown to be a liar (WMDS!) that is weaker than everyone thought (can't find a way to end Iraq War).
Actually it seems that he got a lot of what he wanted.
As a moderate Texan, I can try to give you the definition of my more conservative peers (male and female) with quotes close enough to what I have heard on the subject. A feminazi is someone "foolish enough to believe that certain masculine things like competition and aggression will ever not exist on the planet." A feminazi is someone "that scorns women who chose to be simple housewives." A feminazi is someone "rejects the idea that men are better at some things." A feminazi is someone "puts the right to do what she wants with her body over the right of a child to be born."
I don't agree with any but maybe part of the last one. I have a problem with certain people going on and on about how "women have a right to do whatever they want to their bodies" in teh case of abortion when we have certain laws against prositution and drug use that prove that in our society that is not the case.
Say that to my new Via Asus board that support dual channel, dual core, and is 100% Linux compatible out of the box.
Nvidia is not the only choice.
Obscurity is the only true path to privacy.
Yes Firefox 1.x sucks at that.
Yes that is why I use Epiphany as my porn browser.
Yes Firefox 1.5 fixes the problem.
I don't. I think now that I have EXA I want a stable compositor to use it with.
Just like you Europeans- we discover a way to control overpopulation in our own nation (a huge worldwide problem) and you just have to diss on it. You think you are SOOO fancy because you have better beer, a better internet connection, and better cars with better drivers, and better
.....wait. That sounds cool. Why do I stay in the U.S.? I yeah, now I remember. I can maintain a higher material standard of living because Wal-Mart and its pals make everything here dirt cheap. Mmmmmmmmmmmm cheap computer parts. Like the 230 Euro (thank God for the google currency converter) AMD 3800 x2 with matching motherboard I got at Frys the other day. Well worth the risk of death at the hands of a mom hauling ass to her kids' soccer practive in a new Ford SUV on the freeway next to me on the way to the computer store.
Xorg 7 is almost here. With Xorg 7 comes EXA. With EXA comes a way to have stable, accerated eye candy. KDE 3.4 was ahead of its time for putting a compsite manager in Kwin, but it was so buggy that I had to stick to my old Xcompmgr+ Gnome/Metacity combination because I could turn off the composite for times when I need a stable desktop with the click of an icon with my old setup(I need stability for a few things). I plan to switch to whatever DE has a stable composite manager first.
Luminocity seems to be at least a year off, XFCE's composite manager is the most buggy I have dealt with, so all my hope is in KDE.
Does 3.5 have what I want? Or am I yet again left to wait a year for KDE 4 to come out? Will I be liberated from "the toy" Xcompmgr? Can I have a stable and modern Linux desktop before 2005 ends? Or do I wait another year (well.....I won't wait another year....if its like this in mid 2006 an Intel Macmini will sit on my desktop)?
Recently Nvidia cut off all support in their drivers for TNT cards. There is a solution that Ubuntu has that some other distro lack- a legacy driver. Have a nice day.
I LOVE Totem-xine in Breezy. Its my favorite media player. The play list is nice, it always works with every file I try, it has great Xinerama support (aka it knows that when I want to go full screen on a video it should do it on the monitor I drag it on), and its the only Xine to work well with Xcompmgr.
I used to like Gxine more, but with the newest totem-xine things work great for me and I am to run composite all the time. So I guess to each to their own. Its easy to replace, and none can legally work out of hte box for most media anyway.
A. The stable version of OO.org2 did not exist with the database program at the time Hoary was released- it would have been impossible for Hoary or any distro released around the time it did to satisfy your needs.
B. One of the benefits of Ubuntu of how easy it is to upgrade.
C. The next release -Dapper- is intended for Enterprise use as it will be supported on the desktop for years. Hoary was only the second release of Ubuntu ever.
That THEY can tinker with.You are assuming that these laptops will be just like any other personal computer you or I know. What they will probably be is a "virtual book" which has an easy way to write documents, surf the web, and use built in educational programs:
He said the child could use the laptop like a text book.
As in an appliance, not a full laptop. So that means that Jobs probably offered to have OSX at the core of this appliance and the project people said "its easy for us to make a limited purpose box with Linux because WE can tinker with it." As in the development libraries for the visual stuff is open. Plus they are not going to ship the laptops in single pieces, so there will be extreme nerdiness involved to get them to work:
The device will probably be exported as a kit of parts to be assembled locally to keep costs down.
So its not like the project leaders turned down $100 iBooks for the kids.
But hey, don't let my making sense get in the way of your Linux bashing party.