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KDE 3.5 Released
WhiteFoxBR writes ""The KDE Project is happy to announce a new major release of the award-winning K Desktop Environment. Many features have been added or refined, making KDE the most complete, stable and integrated free desktop environment available." Here a Visual Guide to new features, including build-in ad-block for Konqueror and support for MSN and Yahoo! webcams in Kopete. "
Way to go KDE folks and supporters. Even though I'm a Gnome user (actually, I'm a closet FVWM user), KDE never ceases to impress me and I do try it for periods of time. The last 8 years I've been using Open Source Software and Linux have been amazing. The amount of progress that all of us have made. There is still more to go, but its not hard to see that the gap is really closing in now. All the hard work and patience has paid off. Everyone give yourself a pat on the back.
That sound you heard was the developer's Gears grinding away for this release.
The link to Kopete actually links to Konqy. You want this.
Competition and choice is great. It's also a barrier to entry for commercial software. And given that it's unrealistic to have all software be free, let's make it easier for linux adoption to take place. Let's have one desktop/widgetset/toolkit be the standard for X on Linux. One that's always deployed with X on Linux, so people have something to code to.
All the whining about how choice is good and it makes better products distracts from a more important factor. All the competing options make incompatability and confusion unavoidable.
They are not representative!
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I for one welcome our new stable desktop overlords :)
It is about frickin time that open source IM clients integrated voice and video. Congratulations to Kopete and KDE for implementing this LONG OVERDUE feature. Welcome to the 2000 chat world.
The missing ability to use a webcam easily under KDE, is actually an argument for some people I know to stick with Windows. So this is great news - now I might convince them into actually trying this "Linux-thing", so I can stop supporting their infected Windows XP Home machines (yes, then I would have to support them with Linux, but with a little help from CrossOver they can keep using most of the software they are dependant upon).
I haven't got a webcam myself at the moment, so I have no idea how it works in Kopete. If you have tested it, and can recommend a webcam that is working nicely under Linux, I would like to hear about it. Are there webcams out for Linux that actually support face-tracking?
The features seem to be pretty impressive. Now, not only do we have a two good browsers for Linux desktop, the healthy competition between FF and Konqueror will only make them richer. The ACL GUI feature is certainly a good enhancement.
Way to go KDE!!
Sicne it seems like Kde.org has taken somewhat of a hit, here is a mirror for it: http://kde.mirror.fr/
Anyone here using KOffice in a "real world" environment? The last time I attempted using it, I found it had tonnes of bugs!
I'm a big KDE fan, and KDE has really improved since 3.4 when the new series just gelled. 3.5 promises to be more awesome. I especially look forward to konqueror improvements, as it's my browser of choice. I really appreciate its speed, especially on lower-end systems. Plus, it uses the KDE file picker that I find easier to use than the gnome one with firefox.
What I didn't see was much change in KDE's horrible default settings. The desktop is very configurable. Why does it have to look like some terrible pudgy windows clone? And what's with two toolbars on every app? Why not save some screen real estate for the body of the application? That toolbar for konqueror could easily be paired down to one row of icons with the location bar along side. I'm sick of a print icon on every application. I print things rarely enough off the web. That should be left to a menu, or just alt-p.
Still, if you're willing to configure KDE a little bit, it's awesome. The good news is that much of the configuration is easy, right-click kind of stuff.
Use the Firehose to mod down Second Life stories!
Congratulations KDE team!
;)
Now, knowing Gentoo this will be in the tree in the next 5 minutes. Woo, emerge is gonna be hot tonight, and tomorrow, and the day after, and probably some time after that too....
(Disclaimer: I use Gentoo, it doesn't actually take that long with kdeenablefinal flag on!)
for most people the discussion of whether it's best to have a single desktop is old old old, and it is clear that having multiple desktops is better than having one.
maybe you're new, or maybe you just haven't thought it through enough. or maybe you're trolling.
QT has been released under the GPL for years.
KDE has made an exciting breakthrough in its support for removable devices. On detection of specific media types KDE presents the user with a list of optional actions. These actions are configurable in KDE's control center and can be disabled entirely. This goes a great deal of the way toward fixing an old complaint, that managing removable media is too difficult in Linux, by exposing existing features in KDE and Linux to the user in an obvious fashion.
How is that a breakthrough? It's a direct copy from XP. But anyway it's nice to see KDE advancing, still a bit too clunky for me but the more decent free desktops there are the better.
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The kde server timed out. I suggest they commit some more bandwidth if they are going to take on all the /. users.
Two things.. if you want google maps to work, you have to add a user agent for maps.google.com/local.google.com to Konqueror as Safari.
If you want blogger.com to not post blank blog entries, add a user agent for www.blogger.com to Konqueror as Firefox.
Now email google to fix both of them so we don't have to do these silly workarounds.
"Call me a troll"
Consider it done...
Let's have one desktop/widgetset/toolkit be the standard for X on Linux
You don't need a "single widgetset/toolkit" to make a great "user experience".
Windows actually has several widget implementations. Access has its own widget set (don't remember the link, sorry), IE has its own widget set, office has its own widget set (noticed how the scrolling bar in office is like windows 98 instead of looking like in the XP theme? The same happens for messenger BTW)
They don't have a "single" widget implementation - they just have several widget implementations which LOOK THE SAME. In the same way, you don't need gtk OR qt - you want a way to make them look the same (the usability guidelines like menus etc are another matter). Implement the same theme for both desktops and make kde swwitch to a different look when you change the gnome theme and viceversa and you're done.
did kde.org get slashdotted?? the screenshots looks great.. they keep getting better thats for sure.. i'm looking forward to using the new version.. so tough to choose between gnome and kde..
*plays the Apogee theme song music*
I can run Qt/KDE programs under Gtk/GNOME, and vise versa. A developer need only select the toolkit/desktop that best fulfills their development needs.
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KDE 3.5 packages have been released for Kubuntu http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
It was a century of answers and all of them have been wrong...
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I wonder if the adblocker from Konqueror is compatibile with firefox Adblock.
(...As you've certainly noticed...) Adblock by itself is worthless. Its empty filter base makes it inactive and only weeks of careful building it would make the extension normally useful. Only combined with a good killfile like Filterset.G it really kicks ass, at once. Same applies to any other adblocker - what filters are available for Konqueror?
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Why wait for Linux to do it? It's not the only game in town.
Competition and choice is great. It's also a barrier to entry for children growing up. And given that it's unrealistic to have all languages be understandable, let's make it easier for language adoption to take place. Let's have one culture/language/religion be the standard for people on earth. One that everyone on earth follows, so people have something in common.
All the whining about how choice is good and it makes life better distracts from a more important factor. All the competing viewpoints make incompatability and confusion unavoidable.
Because it appears that their Pentium II 233 box with 32 megs of RAM isn't quite cutting it as their web server for kde.org. :)
Why is KDE3.5 looking more and more like Windows? For instance with the insertion of a medium: what do you want me to do with it? This isn't user friendly, this is idiot-proof with more steps to reach your goal. Digg had a good article on that (comparing Windows vs Linux with Bike vs Car).
with the web standards. Does your browser comply? http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/test.html
It's a hand twinkler, you dumbass! And I got a bag of whoopass for you!
Really. I love Linux, have been a user since the early 90's, but some of the language conventions just vex me. "Stable" for instance. Yeah, yeah, I know what is meant by it in this context, but it never fails to make me contemplate what an "unstable" desktop would be like, and the vision has nothing to do with BSODs. "Stable" is for relationships and isotopes, and is valid only in the context that most examples in kind are given to falling apart. It's part of the "I was happy to hear you are no longer beating your wife!" phrase family that achieves a "positive" slant only by dragging the listener through scary negative spaces. Linux deserves better than this.
It also deserves better than having its major graphics package called "The Gimp," but that's a discussion for a different day...
Arrggg, I've just finished the compile of KDE 3.4.3 on my gentoo system about an hour ago! And it's not a joke :-(
If you want some serious koit damage choose KDE for your distro ,.... no just kidding !
We love all love Mark Shuttleworth decision to support KDE in Ubuntu..
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I'm serious. I'm not trying to rake up shit. The multiplicity of options is a waste of time and energy, and it makes compatability a pain in the ass.
Yes your tired old argument is a troll. It's not going to happen, it simply is not the nature of the computing world, get over it and stop wasting everyones time and energy with this argument.
...what will 4.0 be? A stupendous release? An amazing release? A "Moses came down with KDE 4.0 on some tablets" release?
I'm not knocking them, but I thought there was an accepted custom to releases. If the number to the left of the decimal point changes it's a major release and if it doesn't it's a minor release. Kids today and their releases...I can't keep up.
KDE and GNOME have both matured to a point where they both have established "personalities" and there are good reasons for choosing one over the other. In my case, I prefer using KDE on the "family" computer while my home workstation uses GNOME. Additionally, the two desktops are getting pretty good at dealing with each others applications provided the appropriate libraries are there.
My point is, two dominant desktops need not be a weakness provided the two desktops agree to "play nice" with each other. I would instead propose that both teams develope a single login manager that works equally well with either GNOME or KDE. Call it "IDM" since "I" is halfway between "G" and "K".
A goal is a dream with a deadline
If I'm running SUSE 10, what should I do to upgrade? If I just use SUSE's update tool will I get it automatically? (yes, complete linux newb here)
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This release was so bad that Debian pulled it, in its entirety, out of testing for 3 days straight. I did a dist upgrade and everything KDE went away.
Been a KDE user for a long time, but 3.5 is half-baked and should not have been released except as an alpha.
This comment appeared on slashdot while i was writing this: http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=169622&c id=14137500
/. without someone touting (hidden or less hidden) one of these misconceptions about linux-for-normal-people or linux-in-the-real-world.
I wonder if i ever read an article on
Trust me, I work for the government.
Free software products work like species. Their environment is the users and developers and they mutate to gain favour of the users. Their "random" mutation is the development cycle, including possibly many branches and forks with cross pollenation of both ideas and code. This is just the same as evolution in real species. Without enough variation and competition, species stagnate. Closed source software is mostly the same except the oppurtunity for random mutation is massively decreased.
Consider the web browser as an example. After Microsoft illegally crushed all the competition with IE, the browser stagnated for years while competition recovered. Once other had caught up, suddenly they start developmemt again. No cross pollenation of code because of incompatible licenses. (the offspring would be a mule) but ideas have spread. (tabbed browsing etc)
We need multiple competing desktops. That we have two that can (to some degree at least) cross pollenate code as well as ideas is part of what puts us at a potential advantage against commercial offerings. If we had only one, no code cross pollenation could occur and in that sense we would be on a more level playing field in terms of future potential.
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...one of the major distributions to get behind KDE and push it a bit. Debian is about the closest I can think of (yes, I know I'm going to get flamed for that) and that is desktop neutral. There's kubuntu but that could hardn't be called major (although I think it will do pretty well).
It's a real shame because IMVVHO I think KDE is the better Desktop system. I know under the hood Gnome is supposed to be better but quite frankly as long as it works I don't really care. I want different things from my desktop than from my API. I want my desktop to be inviting and fun to use I want the APIs I use to be like my bank manager (boring and predictable). Gnome seems to have the API right but the desktop wrong and KDE has the desktop but not the API. I might be totally wrong here because I have never used the API of either (roll on (a fast) swing) but that's the impression I get from the advocates for each side.
The other main argument against KDE is that it is too much of a Windows clone. Perhaps I'm the only one that thinks this but I think that's a good thing. I can switch quickly between windows and KDE without too much thought. Like it or not, M$ have spent millions designing an easy to use desktop system. Perhaps it's not perfect but I can't help feeling that the Gnome people are being different simply because they don't want look like windows.
I used to have a better sig but it broke.
The point is that some desktops or window managers will be annoying to some people because of the way they choose to work (e.g. some prefer to have lots of desktops with lots of overlapping windows, next door some guy prefers not having any overlapping windows at all, these people will typically want totally different focus/click/to-front/to-back behaviour) and often this is best achieved by choosing another desktop type. But any application will work fine all the same!
This is one of the greatest strengths of X11. Forcing everyone to use the same desktop is like forcing everybody to use the same length skis: It works somehow, but don't tell me it's good for everyone.
Whatever. I'll take something called 'stable' over something called 'beta' any day, which seems to be what all free services are called today. Need I slashlink? Nah, I'll just wait for the dupe.
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Bleargh - anyone remember this old thing? KDE 1.x. Got a box at work with it still on there - Redhat 7? 8? and it pains me.
But agreed on the comments about the default styles.
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Yeah, and they look different, behave different, a pull in a stack of libraries and daemons, munching through memory like there's no tomorrow.
Ah well, there's always www.syllable.org and www.haiku-os.org
now, why is that precisely 3.5 days ago, I built 3.4.2 from ports? oh well, back to portupgrade for me :(
/. is good for you.
I think of "stable" as a trusty stable for horses you can take for a ride.
A horse is an OS here, and the stable is a state of security for the horses... I mean, OS.
And an "UN-stable" is rather a horse stable controlled by the United Nations.
So it's more for users who truly understand the implications of having a horse/OS there.
I hope it's more clear now.
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I remember when I first tried Linux. It was Red Hat 4 and I remember grumbling about having to type something to use my newly inserted media. Over the years there have been some solutions but none without major drawbacks.
;-)
From the screenshots of KDE 3.5 it seems that this long-standing problem has been solved. FINALLY. It's about 10 years late but it's finally here! A viable solution for removable media!
PS! I can't wait for the new ebuilds, so someone hurry up.
Guess you've learned your lesson now. You're free to say KDE blows and Gnome rocks, or vice versa, and not be labelled flamebait or troll - but never dare to suggest that linux has a standard base or you're marked troll.
Amusingly enough, stories about the Linux Standard Base Project http://www.linuxbase.org/ are not labelled troll, though people often use their posts in those stories saying the whole thing is a waste of time, because by gum if they had to wrestle with dependencies for an hour to compile a program, you should too.
Linux Standard Base:
"We strive to develop and promote a set of standards that will increase compatibility among Linux distributions and enable software applications to run on any compliant system. In addition the LSB will help coordinate efforts to recruit software vendors to port and write products for Linux."
Yeah, clearly a waste of time, or a "Windows for Linux". Sheesh.
you usually have to pay for at least the IDE (say, visual studio), and they tend to be pretty expensive..
Nope. Visual Studio Express Editions are completely free equivalents to the commercial versions of Visual Studio. They lack some features but allow people to do commercial or non-commercial development for windows.
-everphilski-
It is not "The Gimp"... It is "The GIMP" as in: GNU Image Manipulation Program.
Did anyone else notice that they've now turned on a Windows style autorun? Why?
"KDE has made an exciting breakthrough in its support for removable devices. On detection of specific media types KDE presents the user with a list of optional actions. These actions are configurable in KDE's control center and can be disabled entirely. This goes a great deal of the way toward fixing an old complaint, that managing removable media is too difficult in Linux, by exposing existing features in KDE and Linux to the user in an obvious fashion."
[pic of windows style autorun window here, offering to let you play the cd, rip it, open in a new window, and my favorite, do nothing]
And exactly WHY has Firefox been released if it can't pass the Acid2 test?
i for one wish it came with kmacs or kim rather than kate... ;)
I don't feel like it...
It is not "The Gimp"... It is "The GIMP" as in: GNU Image Manipulation Program.
Oh, hey, thanks for pointing that out, Bunky. A couple more correspondence courses and I predict an absolutely stellar career in Marketing is yours for the taking.
Yay, new version! bloat += .1;
Slackware's been a staunch supporter of the project since day one. Back in the Slackware 3.x and 4.x days, KDE 1.x was available, and I used it. It sure beat bare X11 with a window manager.
:)
Slackware's maintainers made the decision to include Gnome, and I used that for a while, too (especially as the KDE 2.x was slower and more memory intensive). It had neat advanced features, but wasn't as stable as KDE.
Finally, as the KDE 3 branch has matured, I've been using it. Slackware packages keep being available, as Pat is a bg supporter, and I can keep on the bleeding edge via Swaret. After the way Gnome 2.x turned out, reversing over a decade of button ordering for me, I'm glad that Pat also made the decision to dump Gnome from the past couple of versions of Slackware. How is that not pushing KDE?
The fallout from the GTK+ button reordering is still something I have to put up with, though, since things like FireFox on Win32 systems have the wrong button ordering now! Good thing I use KDE on the desktop and MacOSX on my laptop
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Placing task bar items along the edge of the screen provides the benefit of "infinite height". With the stacked display of items on the KDE task bar the top row of items do not benefit from this.
Why have many Linux Desktop Environments chosen to implement the dual layer task bar?
Now I understand that by providing more rows the width of the items can be greater than if they were all forced onto a single row. While the size of the target benefits from the greater width does it outweigh the benefits of the infiite height?
Gnome: Awesome!
...
KDE: Wonderful!
Fluxbox / Openbox / Waimea / Blackbox (in random order): Sweet!
Enlightenment: Neat!
WindowMaker: Fun!
It's like the Seldon plan with more than 2 Foundations. I'm using Windows right now (schoolday; lecture in progress) and though I get to use lots of nice open-source apps, it's not as fun (in my own twisted perception; your fun-house mirror may vary) as any of the desktops on my Linux machines at home
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The "Best Linux Desktop" award? Boy , thats a real tough competition when
you're up against all of one other competitor!
That kind of stupid reply was funny when I first read one like it about, oooooo, 3-4 years ago. You must be about the 1000th poster since then to think he's being funny by doing that
Man, I've been a GNOME user for years, but KDE is getting pretty fucking cool. Rock on, KDE :).
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I have been using KOffice for the last couple of years for word processing at work (machines there are just too slow for Openoffice). As a wp, KOffice is ready for prime time. The spreadsheet app, unfortunately, lags pretty far behind even openoffice in terms of features. I'ts good enough for simple tasks though.
I have to admit, I've never found it to be buggy. Of course, I guess it depends on what version you got with your distro. The only complaint I had was that the docs aren't exactly written with your average office "joe" in mind.
Using plain ol' text since 1968
In my opinion, Linux needs to adopt a single desktop. Why the need for so many incompatible systems like KDE, gnome, Enlightenment, fvwm, etc? Each with their own libraries and configuration tools. I don't get it. No wonder simple windowing concepts like drag-and-drop and copy-and-paste are still so difficult to use in X. Pick one GUI. Pick one library. Then stick with it and make it better! Even Apple, which uses an open-source BSD unix at it's core, only recognizes one desktop. Sure, one could argue that there are many web servers, database servers, FTP servers and other overlapping applications in Linux to choose from, but I feel the GUI is the one component in an operating system that ties all the other software together. It's high time the "Tower of Babble" for desktop environments in open-source land be knocked down.
Don't forget Opera Web Browser.
Now, it's free without the ad banner. It's been a good Linux web browser for quite a while.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
You forgot Poland! ...er...GNUStep.
Sure it may not have all the apps, but, for developers, it's the closest thing to writing for a mac with out acutally writing for a mac.
http://www.gnustep.org
Also you forgot, CDE, XFCE, and Enlightenment.
If Mr. Edison had thought smarter he wouldn't sweat as much. --Nikola Tesla
LSB is a waste of time because it standardises on the wrong things. It's not sensible to use as a standard for linux. I agree that such a standard is a good thing, but the way the LSB project approaches it is entirely wrong. The mission is good but the implementation is well off.
I am trolling
What is it that EVERY FUCKING product on Earth that is advertised on American media is Award-Winning?
Meaningless and Annoying.
That is not autorun. K? Got it? Try again.
The problem with Windows autorun is that it automatically ran untrusted code from the CD you just put in. This appears to let you automatically do something using the trusted code on your own computer. That's what OS X does, and it's fine.
There is a BIG difference between opening the CD ripping app on your computer, and opening some random app on the CD itself. If the CD ripping app on your computer is a Trojan, it's on your computer and you're already rooted. This is no more dangerous than a script you write yourself to call applications on your own computer.
If KDE allows the CD maker to point to a random file on the CD and say "Run me!" then they deserve all the scorn one can pour upon them. But if the computer just says, "Hmm, I see a bunch of audio files! I will open my trusted audio application!" then it's a timesaver and not a major risk. (Ok, there might be some exploitable overflows in the code that does this, but that can happen anywhere.)
What I say does not represent the views of my employers, my friends, my cats, or myself.
Parent -1 Offtopic? I'd think parent was an Award-Winning post.
Thank you all.
From http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/faq/web browser.html :
9.12.
Can Konqueror use user-specified stylesheets, like those in the Firefox adblock extention?
Yes, you can set Konqueror to use any kind of valid css stylesheet to filter webcontent or improve accessibility. From the Konqueror main window simply click Settings->Configure Konqueror... and select Stylesheets. Set the radio button to Use user-defined stylesheet and browse to where the stylesheet you want to use is located. Alternatively, you can select Use accessibility stylesheet defined in "Customize" tab and then set your own options.
An example of css rules that implement ad blocking can be found at: http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/adblock.
Revision 3.4 (2005-01-19)
Debian never pulled it, instead, you goofed in using dist-upgrade without using your head. Just recently in testing a lot of KDE was being held back because it was waiting on the new QT compiled with the new C++ ABI. So when that new QT finally got released, a few programs were marked as upgradeable, and a whole slew of them were marked for deletion (because the most recent versions were still compiled with the old QT). At this point, a sensible admin would have realized that until the other packages catch up, they should switch to regular upgrade and give dist-upgrade a miss. But no, you, the dunce, wiped half your KDE, and now you're blaming it on a buggy release. PEBKAC. Learn to use the tools before you come crying that you smashed your thumb.
YAHOO!!!!!!!
- vlad blanton
With the 3.5 release KDE has added "KitchenSync". The original specs for this are highly technical. You may need to watch many hours of HGTV before attempting to use this application. At last, KDE is Komplete!
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One thing that should be noted though: Gtk+ and OSX actually have very similar button ordering...
Hey looser, before you flap your gums - hoplite had a good point. Why does KDE chase the fricken windows look. I for 2 think they are beyond that. Why don't you just use Windoze if you love it so much.
It has nothing to do with Linux, it has to do with how software is developed. All software companies do the same thing, it's just that most closed source companies don't release their unstable versions to the public... the concept of doing so is part of how open source works.
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"$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
and that's why a lot of stuff renders better in KHTML than in Moz.
It's better to be the foot on the boot than the face on the pavement. ~~ tkx Kadin2048
In this house it could well be webcam support for yahoo and msn one of the few things that has been preventing me from moving the remaining windows box over to linux. The Mrs. would kill me if she couldn't use her webcam.
This was missing in earlier 3.x versions... Is IPV6 now supported for KDM?
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Back in oh... I believe grade 11, I was taking every computer course I could. One of them was practically remedial: the Internet course! As part of the course we learned HTML and JavaScript... but we also had to learn about emoticons (and memorise at least 20), write essays on netiquette, and "get down" with all the "hip" "net lingo". It was all pretty cheesy shit and outdated even back then (seriously, who needs to know about Gopher and Archie?). I remember seeing some of the acronyms thinkg that they were pretty cute/cool but that no one would ever use them. PEBKAC (Probably Error is Between Keyboard And Chair) was definitely one of them. SISO (Shit in, Shit out) was another. So, I just gotta say thanks.
Your CPU is not doing anything else, at least do something.
I think the windows style default allows the newbies to work, and grow accostomed to KDE. The Power Users will of course have no problems changing things.
Seems like sound logic to me.
What is up with the desktop envoronment rivalries? Just use what you like and be quiet about it.
Not to mention that LSB's solution to conflicting requirements is simply to throw everything into the pot and label is "standard" in the hope that it will magically solve the problem without anyone noticing.
I've been using KDE 3.5 RC1 for a while and I like it. Haven't had any issues so far. So question is, where can I find a real changelog (not the "todo", "in progress", "done" feature chart thingy) for KDE 3.5? I don't really want to "konstruct" KDE 3.5 for another 3 days to get the released version if nothing major changed between RC1 and released.
Since this has predictably turned into a KDE vs. GNOME discussion, I'd like to point out something. I'm sure I can't be alone in this either.:
;-)
I like an use both. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. Both excel at certain things that the other does not.
That's exactly why I like and use both.
That's OK isn't it?
Scott
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My only question is, "how much memory does it consume?". Last I tried KDE it was swapping out my PC at 512MB. Simply unacceptable.
Xorg 7 is almost here. With Xorg 7 comes EXA. With EXA comes a way to have stable, accerated eye candy. KDE 3.4 was ahead of its time for putting a compsite manager in Kwin, but it was so buggy that I had to stick to my old Xcompmgr+ Gnome/Metacity combination because I could turn off the composite for times when I need a stable desktop with the click of an icon with my old setup(I need stability for a few things). I plan to switch to whatever DE has a stable composite manager first.
Luminocity seems to be at least a year off, XFCE's composite manager is the most buggy I have dealt with, so all my hope is in KDE.
Does 3.5 have what I want? Or am I yet again left to wait a year for KDE 4 to come out? Will I be liberated from "the toy" Xcompmgr? Can I have a stable and modern Linux desktop before 2005 ends? Or do I wait another year (well.....I won't wait another year....if its like this in mid 2006 an Intel Macmini will sit on my desktop)?
Open Source Sushi
# uname -r && ls -l `which kde-config` 2.6.14-gentoo-r3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 24101 Nov 27 10:28 /usr/kde/3.4/bin/kde-config
Sadly, PS/2 was yet another victim of USB, which doesn't care what you plug into it, the electrical slut.
The Qt library is released under the GNU GPL. Free software. It was not always the case, so that's where the old controversies come from. But Qt 3 is most definitely free software.
The filesystem is the package manager
I've been love/hate over KDE so long that I'm full-blown schitzophrenic now. The KDE environment may be pretty and featureful, but it manages to bring even my best hardware to it's knees. And it just bloats up with every new release. But no matter what window manager I have going, I still find Konqueror darned useful (mostly for local file browsing/managing - Firefox has my websurfing locked in!), and I manage to pick 'n' use KDE apps no matter what desktop I'm in. The rest of the family uses KDE exclusively. The kids love the games (I have grade school children, so how can I help but applaud the edutainment section?). But power-users such as myself need something as light as possible that gets out of our way.
My only beef is when a live CD distro manages to (a) louse up the KDE configuration so it's buggy and crashes, and (b) provide no means of accessing the alternative desktops that are included on the disk anyway! I mean, c'mon, a live CD has a performance hit in the first place - wouldn't a superlight desktop alternative make sense, here?
Of course, I should reserve judgement until I've tried the new KDE - which doubtless I'll encounter the next time I burn a distro...
that doesn't make it not funny. :)
I keep my KDE with the Windows style to tempt all the other Windows users in the office. They look at it and go "That's Linux?" and I say "yup!" If they're interested, I hand them a Knoppix CD. If I continue converting people at my current rate, the whole world will be running Linux by... hmm, well it could take a while.
Just install debian, do apt-get install kde, and be done with it.