However, it's still there since the TDP for processors have basically been stagnant for a while.
Except the new-generation i5 have very low power consumption for their performance. Leakage current used to give you a CPU that could fry eggs when idling, whereas the i5s use very little power when idle these days and (unless overclocked) only seem to peak at around 50-60W under full load.
If he posts benchmarks, the AMD fanboys will say 'oh, but that's just synthetic, my X6 feels much faster than any Intel CPU'.
If he posts game benchmarks, the AMD fanboys will say, 'yes, the Intel chip is twice as fast at 1024x768 when the game is CPU-limited, but when you run at 4096x2048 with the game GPU-limited, the CPU makes no difference, so you should buy a slower CPU so long as it's the most expensive AMD chip.'
Maybe our definitions of progressivism differ, but in the UK, any party known as "progressive" (the Lib Dems and the Greens, mainly) would run a mile from something that smacks of old school right wing militarism.
For the most part, true health is not produced in a chemistry lab, it is produced from "right living"
'True health' will be produced by genetic engineering. Of course US liability and patent laws will probably ensure it's produced in a more sensible country.
You think it's just "commies" that screwed things up? It's any authoritarian system.
How was Mao's demand any different from the Judeo-Christian God's blessing and command to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground"?
I'm not aware of any Christian nations that have increased their population to the point where they had to enforce restrictions on new births, or killing all the birds so the insects ate their food plants and tens of millions starved to death.
All societies do stupid things, but to really screw things up on a collosal scale takes a Marxist.
Until the rules put in place from the 1930s are put back into place this will continue to be true.
Alternatively the government could just stop printing money and giving it to bankers who spend it on pushing up commodity prices and give themselves a fat bonus for doing so.
The 1-child laws in China, while draconian and fraught with unintended consequences, were extremely necessary, and an example of how sometimes necessary but drastic actions can't be done in a democracy. India doesn't have this luxury.
The 1-child law in China was a response to Mao's demand that Chinese women have as many kids as possible, which led to a massive increase in population that the country couldn't handle. Which is an example of the kind of drastic and calamitous actions that can't easily happen in a democracy.
But that's commies for you. First they screw everything up, then they screw everything up again trying to fix their original screwup.
Among other things, laser light is a lot more energy efficient. According to the article, BMW is getting 170 lumens per watt as compared to 100 lumens per watt for LED lights.
I'm sure a 40% reduction in power usage for the headlights is really important when I only have a 200kW engine to power them.
Both Intel and AMD give the TDP of their four core parts (i5 for Intel, Phenom II for AMD) as 95 watts
And I've never seen the power consumption of the i5-2400 go much above 50W in benchmarks. So perhaps Intel are lying; the i5 seems to use about half as much power as they claim it does.
Perhaps rather than believing either company's numbers you should actually try measuring them?
It can share fine if it uses the same dedicated memory controller without doing an interrupt to the CPU or chipset each time it needs to access ram. That is what crippled the other integrated chipsets.
No it's not. Older integrated GPUs were crippled by low core performance, not memory bandwidth (though, to be fair, they couldn't have high core performance because the memory bandwidth was so low).
Modern CPUs want a lot of memory bandwidth. Modern GPUs want a staggering amount of memory bandwidth (the GTX580, for example, has around 200 gigabytes per second and even the 8600GTS has 32 gigabytes per second whereas a dual-channel DD3-1600 system only has 25 gigabytes per second). Stick both of those on one chip and you're going to be starving both of them unless you have at least four memory channels.
Admittedly as games become more shader-heavy the demand for increased bandwidth may drop, but you're still way behind the capabilities of discrete cards.
It's the desktop and server CPU market though. Anything else in those areas are just a tiny niche.
To be fair, ARM is likely to eat into the low end of that market over the next few years. My Atom-based server/DVR was fast enough until we got OTA HD here and it became too slow for transcoding, and the Ion Xbmc box is plenty fast enough for video playback or general desktop usage; my i5 laptop spends most of its time at 1.2GHz, where it's probably not much faster than an Atom.
So if ARM can produce a chip at least that fast (if they haven't already) I think there's a chunk of the x86 market waiting for them.
Then why do I only buy AMD (and ARM) these days? Frankly, Intel just seems to fib about their power envelope every generation and I do not, repeat, do not like to be surrounded by noisy computers. Currently running a quietized 4 way Phenom II box, very happy with it.
You'd have been happier with an i3 or i5. I can just hear the fans on my i5 server when I stand with my ears a few inches away from it.
Intel only beats AMD with their most recent SandyBridge chips
Intel has been beating AMD since the Core-2, only AMD fanboys claim otherwise. Mostly by saying 'but, but, if you run benchmarks at 3840x2160 then the CPU is irrelevant'. Well, duh.
Where? Every benchmark I've seen puts AMD well behind the i3 and i5 in performance/power and the idle consumption of the i3 and i5 isn't much worse than an Atom.
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However, it's still there since the TDP for processors have basically been stagnant for a while.
Except the new-generation i5 have very low power consumption for their performance. Leakage current used to give you a CPU that could fry eggs when idling, whereas the i5s use very little power when idle these days and (unless overclocked) only seem to peak at around 50-60W under full load.
That's actual measurements, not TDP.
AMD could outsource production to those who have competitive process tech.
Maybe they could get Intel to make their chips.
On what applications? Post benchmarks...
If he posts benchmarks, the AMD fanboys will say 'oh, but that's just synthetic, my X6 feels much faster than any Intel CPU'.
If he posts game benchmarks, the AMD fanboys will say, 'yes, the Intel chip is twice as fast at 1024x768 when the game is CPU-limited, but when you run at 4096x2048 with the game GPU-limited, the CPU makes no difference, so you should buy a slower CPU so long as it's the most expensive AMD chip.'
BTW, I bet dollars to donuts that in ~5 years, Yahoo, AOL, and IAC (Ask.com) merge. They could call themselves "That 90's Web Company". LOL
Sorry, LOL.com already appears to be taken.
Maybe our definitions of progressivism differ, but in the UK, any party known as "progressive" (the Lib Dems and the Greens, mainly) would run a mile from something that smacks of old school right wing militarism.
Sounds more like old-school communism to me.
For the most part, true health is not produced in a chemistry lab, it is produced from "right living"
'True health' will be produced by genetic engineering. Of course US liability and patent laws will probably ensure it's produced in a more sensible country.
You think it's just "commies" that screwed things up? It's any authoritarian system.
How was Mao's demand any different from the Judeo-Christian God's blessing and command to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground"?
I'm not aware of any Christian nations that have increased their population to the point where they had to enforce restrictions on new births, or killing all the birds so the insects ate their food plants and tens of millions starved to death.
All societies do stupid things, but to really screw things up on a collosal scale takes a Marxist.
And why do they need proof? Because in 40 years we haven't matched the accomplishment.
The Moon Hoaxers were publishing books almost as soon as Apollo 17 splashed down.
Until the rules put in place from the 1930s are put back into place this will continue to be true.
Alternatively the government could just stop printing money and giving it to bankers who spend it on pushing up commodity prices and give themselves a fat bonus for doing so.
The 1-child laws in China, while draconian and fraught with unintended consequences, were extremely necessary, and an example of how sometimes necessary but drastic actions can't be done in a democracy. India doesn't have this luxury.
The 1-child law in China was a response to Mao's demand that Chinese women have as many kids as possible, which led to a massive increase in population that the country couldn't handle. Which is an example of the kind of drastic and calamitous actions that can't easily happen in a democracy.
But that's commies for you. First they screw everything up, then they screw everything up again trying to fix their original screwup.
And you realize that for the reasons cited, we only kicked the can down the road for a few decades, without actually coming up with a solution?
That's exactly what we've been doing for the last 10,000 years, and it's mostly worked fine.
Attempts to impose a 'Final Solution' have generally been disastrous.
Depends on how long it takes to condense; perhaps we should apply for a research grant.
Among other things, laser light is a lot more energy efficient. According to the article, BMW is getting 170 lumens per watt as compared to 100 lumens per watt for LED lights.
I'm sure a 40% reduction in power usage for the headlights is really important when I only have a 200kW engine to power them.
Next time a moose runs out in the road in front of us we'll just have to switch to high beams and it will be a cloud of moose vapor.
Though cleaning the car afterwards might be gross.
This shouldn't have been listed; it should be considered a good thing.
If they were running antivirus software it would mean they were running Windows on their servers, which would be insane.
But the downside is... you have to run Windows.
Cameron has no coherent policy on anything.
He's a PR weenie, 'policy' is determined by whatever will get him the best press at the time.
Both Intel and AMD give the TDP of their four core parts (i5 for Intel, Phenom II for AMD) as 95 watts
And I've never seen the power consumption of the i5-2400 go much above 50W in benchmarks. So perhaps Intel are lying; the i5 seems to use about half as much power as they claim it does.
Perhaps rather than believing either company's numbers you should actually try measuring them?
It can share fine if it uses the same dedicated memory controller without doing an interrupt to the CPU or chipset each time it needs to access ram. That is what crippled the other integrated chipsets.
No it's not. Older integrated GPUs were crippled by low core performance, not memory bandwidth (though, to be fair, they couldn't have high core performance because the memory bandwidth was so low).
Modern CPUs want a lot of memory bandwidth. Modern GPUs want a staggering amount of memory bandwidth (the GTX580, for example, has around 200 gigabytes per second and even the 8600GTS has 32 gigabytes per second whereas a dual-channel DD3-1600 system only has 25 gigabytes per second). Stick both of those on one chip and you're going to be starving both of them unless you have at least four memory channels.
Admittedly as games become more shader-heavy the demand for increased bandwidth may drop, but you're still way behind the capabilities of discrete cards.
Remember how emulating a x86 on PPC was a piece of cake
As someone who's written x86 emulators, that comment would have destroyed my laptop if I had been drinking coffee at the time.
It's the desktop and server CPU market though. Anything else in those areas are just a tiny niche.
To be fair, ARM is likely to eat into the low end of that market over the next few years. My Atom-based server/DVR was fast enough until we got OTA HD here and it became too slow for transcoding, and the Ion Xbmc box is plenty fast enough for video playback or general desktop usage; my i5 laptop spends most of its time at 1.2GHz, where it's probably not much faster than an Atom.
So if ARM can produce a chip at least that fast (if they haven't already) I think there's a chunk of the x86 market waiting for them.
That's benchmark. Real life usage is likely to be very different.
So the i5 uses less power than the best remotely comparable Phenom at idle, uses less power under 100% load, yet magically uses more power in between?
I guess it's possible, but not exactly likely.
Then why do I only buy AMD (and ARM) these days? Frankly, Intel just seems to fib about their power envelope every generation and I do not, repeat, do not like to be surrounded by noisy computers. Currently running a quietized 4 way Phenom II box, very happy with it.
You'd have been happier with an i3 or i5. I can just hear the fans on my i5 server when I stand with my ears a few inches away from it.
Intel only beats AMD with their most recent SandyBridge chips
Intel has been beating AMD since the Core-2, only AMD fanboys claim otherwise. Mostly by saying 'but, but, if you run benchmarks at 3840x2160 then the CPU is irrelevant'. Well, duh.
AMD do reasonably well in the energy efficiency
Where? Every benchmark I've seen puts AMD well behind the i3 and i5 in performance/power and the idle consumption of the i3 and i5 isn't much worse than an Atom.