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NASA Reveals New Images of Apollo Landing Sites

sighted writes "Sharp new images from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter show the Apollo 12, 14 and 17 landing sites in amazing detail, including the last foot trails left by astronauts on the lunar surface." These pictures were grabbed after the LRO dropped its orbit from 50km above the surface to 25km.

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  1. It's a fake!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Senator Vreenak knows what's up.

    1. Re:It's a fake!!! by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you magnify the image, you can see Stanley Kubrick sitting in a director's chair in a crater.

      Oh wait. (rubbing my LCD screen) Dead pixels.

    2. Re:It's a fake!!! by countertrolling · · Score: 2

      Of course it's fake. You think any reasonable person would park so far away and schlep all the way back to the ship in those damn suits?

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    3. Re:It's a fake!!! by peragrin · · Score: 1

      they would if they ran out of gas for the rovers. I bet they were pissed too when AAA wouldn't drop them off a gallon.

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    4. Re:It's a fake!!! by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Funny

      You forgot to right click and select "Zoom-In" and then choose "Enhance".

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    5. Re:It's a fake!!! by chill · · Score: 1

      Dead pixels or dead director?

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    6. Re:It's a fake!!! by ahecht · · Score: 1

      I know you're joking, but for those that don't remember, the rover was parked a fair distance away so that its TV camera could film the LM lifting off from the surface.

    7. Re:It's a fake!!! by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      There's no air on the moon, of course he's dead (no woosh required).

      Seriously, this will do *nothing* for the nutters that honestly don't think we've been to the moon.
      -nB

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    8. Re:It's a fake!!! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      There's no air on the moon, of course he's dead (no woosh required).

      Well, I'm glad there's no whoosh required, because without air there wouldn't be any.

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    9. Re:It's a fake!!! by kwiqsilver · · Score: 1

      Seriously, this will do *nothing* for the nutters that honestly don't think we've been to the moon.

      Probably not. Pictures of the (mostly) spherical Earth from space, or looking at a ship over the horizon, have yet to convince the Flat Earthers (yes, they are real) that we live on an oblate spheroid. DNA evidence of our similarity to other primates has yet to convince the creationists that evolution is a valid theory.

      Anti-science is like a religious belief (and in some cases has religious origins). It uses the emotional part of the brain, not the logical part, so logical arguments are useless in defeating it.

    10. Re:It's a fake!!! by Lanteran · · Score: 1

      ... ah yes, the flat earth theorists. The exception to my general policy on eugenic sterilization.

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    11. Re:It's a fake!!! by hartrw · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I'm amazed at how many technically literate people out there haven't yet figured out the whole moon landing hoax.

    12. Re:It's a fake!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've got the whole "literate" thing backwards, you know.

    13. Re:It's a fake!!! by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      I ain't falling for that... Its no moon surface. Its the magnified image of Amoeba. You want me to see moon landing sites on the surface of an amoeba? I ain't no dumb a$$.

    14. Re:It's a fake!!! by arisvega · · Score: 1

      Most classics from that time have already been digitally remastered. Why exclude this Disney classic?

      It was at Disney studios, right?

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  2. Wow... they are really commited to the hoax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    They just won't let it go. ;-)

  3. Poor NASA server by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Funny

    That image is a hotlinked, bigass JPEG.

    A bunch of admins are probably running into the server room with fire extinguishers at this moment. And hopefully one with a Scottish accent is yelling over a cell phone that the server is overloaded and can't take any more.

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    1. Re:Poor NASA server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That image is a hotlinked, bigass JPEG.

      A bunch of admins are probably running into the server room with fire extinguishers at this moment. And hopefully one with a Scottish accent is yelling over a cell phone that the server is overloaded and can't take any more.

      No, they're probably laughing and smiling that it works in browsers instead of showing a picture of a puzzle piece with a caption of "Download Plugin".

    2. Re:Poor NASA server by teridon · · Score: 1

      Not sure if serious...

      NASA's main web site is served by Akamai; I doubt they'll have an issue.

      # dig www.nasa.gov

      ; <<>> DiG 9.6.-ESV-R4-P1 <<>> www.nasa.gov
      ;; global options: +cmd
      ;; Got answer:
      ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3588
      ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 9, ADDITIONAL: 0

      ;; QUESTION SECTION:
      ;www.nasa.gov.                  IN      A

      ;; ANSWER SECTION:
      www.nasa.gov.           300     IN      CNAME   www.nasa.gov.speedera.net.
      www.nasa.gov.speedera.net. 120  IN      CNAME   www.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net.
      www.nasa.gov.edgesuite.net. 21600 IN    CNAME   a1718.x.akamai.net.
      a1718.x.akamai.net.     20      IN      A       184.51.157.10
      a1718.x.akamai.net.     20      IN      A       184.51.157.17

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    3. Re:Poor NASA server by Artraze · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Eh, it's only 1MB (which is actually quite large considering uncompressed would be 1.8MB by my estimate). Given how carelessly pages are designed these days, you're probably saving 100+ requests and 1MB of data by them not linking the page...

      But hey, you don't have to listen to me; check out http://analyze.websiteoptimization.com/
      Total HTTP Requests: 312
      Total Size: 1828125 bytes

      Woohoo! Slashdot is doing them a favor.

    4. Re:Poor NASA server by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Oh good for them. It bogged down pretty hard when the article was first posted but I was finally able to load it about a minute ago.

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    5. Re:Poor NASA server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I believe that is called deep-linking, not hot-linking. It would be hot-linking if the Slashdot page displayed the image.

    6. Re:Poor NASA server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps deep-dicking for what it's doing to their server.

    7. Re:Poor NASA server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That image is a hotlinked, bigass JPEG.

      A bunch of admins are probably running into the server room with fire extinguishers at this moment. And hopefully one with a Scottish accent is yelling over a cell phone that the server is overloaded and can't take any more.

      Yeah, but now the audio has been digitally remastered for 7.1 surround, the images have been made to take full advantage of the color depth in an HD TV - and it includes ultra-life-like 3D graphics including such things as a "Moon Lander"

    8. Re:Poor NASA server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean akamai? NASA has been akamized for a loong time

    9. Re:Poor NASA server by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That image is a hotlinked, bigass JPEG.

      We need more female cosmonauts

  4. Rick... by dakkon1024 · · Score: 1

    I really thought I was gonna get Rick Roll'd when I clicked on the link.

  5. Wait by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

    FTA;

    The images do not line up perfectly because of differences in lighting conditions, angle of the LRO Camera, and other variables.

    Like being on a different sound stage??

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    1. Re:Wait by SlippyToad · · Score: 0

      Oh for god's sake I sincerely hope you don't think you're funny.

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    2. Re:Wait by m.ducharme · · Score: 2

      I sincerely hope that he does think he's funny. It's better than him being serious.

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    3. Re:Wait by heroid1a · · Score: 2

      I think you will find they faked the moon landing hoax : it was one hell of a job, but doing it for real so they could fake the fake was truly the prank of the century.

  6. No stars in the photo! by Zakabog · · Score: 1

    There's no stars in the photos! Obiously they're fake and the moon landing was a hoax!

    On a more serious note, I love these photos. I'm fascinated by the moon landings. Just looking up at the night sky and seeing the moon and thinking humans have set foot there, when a little over 100 years ago the idea of flight was only a dream.

    1. Re:No stars in the photo! by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Yeah, then I think it's been 40 years and we've achieved precious little else except cargo trips to low earth orbit that blow up once in a while, and an "international space station" which no one ended up wanting to pay for, was plagued with delays and budget cuts, and despite being much more expensive has not really achieved much more than Skylab; and I get depressed. Oh and we put some toy robots on Mars.

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    2. Re:No stars in the photo! by murdocj · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, what have the Romans ever done for us?

      Except roving around for kilometers on Mars.

      But yeah, other than Mars Rovers... oh, and orbiting Saturn.

      Yeah, but other than Mars rovers and orbiting Saturn... oh, and orbiting Mercury. And ongoing missions to interstellar space. And a mission to Pluto. And orbiting an asteroid. And private space travel. And starting work on manned trips to asteroids...

      But yeah, other than that, what have the Romans ever done for us?

    3. Re:No stars in the photo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when a little over 100 years ago the idea of flight was only a dream

      Don't worry. 100 years from now everybody that was alive when it happened will be long dead and going to the moon will be a dream once again.

    4. Re:No stars in the photo! by Gravatron · · Score: 1

      There is no such thing as the moon.

    5. Re:No stars in the photo! by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yeah, then I think it's been 40 years and we've achieved precious little else...

      Correction: Since then, we've done a lot of important and useful work instead of wasting time on spectacular Cold War PR missions.

      NASA has achieved a lot more every year since then than they did on the Apollo missions. Sorry if it wasn't sexy enough for you, but the real work rarely is...

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    6. Re:No stars in the photo! by segedunum · · Score: 1

      NASA has achieved a lot more every year since then than they did on the Apollo missions. Sorry if it wasn't sexy enough for you, but the real work rarely is...

      Really? Wow, I must have missed all those achievements that put man further into space as opposed to crashing unmanned probes into things. Oh wait............

    7. Re:No stars in the photo! by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      There's no stars in the photos! Obiously they're fake and the moon landing was a hoax!

      Quite the opposite. If they had filmed it in Hollywood, there certainly would have been stars. At least as supporting actors, but most probably for the main characters as well.

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    8. Re:No stars in the photo! by Anynomous+Coward · · Score: 1

      Great post-normal thinking you've got going there. Congrats.

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    9. Re:No stars in the photo! by matazlmb · · Score: 1

      I have doubts about non robotic moon landings...but is hard to reason when you hurt feelings of national prides or technological ideology (technological religion?) Derision is the last resort for those with no more arguments. Anyway funny joke :)

    10. Re:No stars in the photo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't tell if sarcastic, or really thinks that putting a few humans on Moon for a bit is more valuable than huge amounts of data.

    11. Re:No stars in the photo! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      What you missed is the ability to live day in, day out, month in, month out (now 10 years) in .... space. You know, that hostile place where we will have to live for ....years.... when (if?) we get motivated to move out of LEO. Yes, I'd like sexier things, bigger targets, more expansive visions but you only get what you pay for.

      We are much better at mundane station keeping than we were before the ISS. Hopefully we can put that knowledge to use before we forget it.

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    12. Re:No stars in the photo! by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      Correction: Since then, we've done a lot of important and useful work instead of wasting time on spectacular Cold War PR missions.

      NASA has achieved a lot more every year since then than they did on the Apollo missions. Sorry if it wasn't sexy enough for you, but the real work rarely is...

      Kind of a false dichotomy. Unsexy grunt-work is useful, certainly but imagine where we would be if we weren't busy blowing huge budgets on blowing up brown people.

      Seriously, if we could just declare war on Alpha Centauri, that'd be cool. And useful.

      My point is that for a brief time wartime budget was spent on space exploration and we made huge headway. I understand the low-hanging fruit has been picked, but really, we should be spending our money better. We just need North Korea to successfully colonize a moon around Jupiter and suddenly you'll see the Western world develop warp drives and phasers and all kinds of neat toys to send out there to blow up that colony.

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    13. Re:No stars in the photo! by spauldo · · Score: 1

      It's a trade-off, and it really depends on your goals.

      We've accumulated a lot of data, and pushed our understanding of both our neighboring area and the greater universe further than we would have if we had focused on manned exploration.

      The downside is that if we'd kept with the manned exploration, we'd have a moonbase, landings on Mars, and probably be considering setting up fueling stations in Jovian orbit. Space would be safer for people, although of course we'd have seen a lot more deaths out there than we have kicking around LEO.

      We could have done both, but we got busy and had other things to spend our money on, like Vietnam, for instance. Good ROI we got there.

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    14. Re:No stars in the photo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus wants it this way. He's testing our patience. Like Job, you know, with the sores and all.

    15. Re:No stars in the photo! by TWX · · Score: 2

      Can't tell if sarcastic, or really thinks that putting a few humans on Moon for a bit is more valuable than huge amounts of data.

      That depends on what the humans in space achieve versus what the huge amounts of data are used for.

      Contrary to popular belief, knowledge is not power. Application of knowledge is power. If we don't use our knowledge to put humans, and likely other life forms representative of Earth, to live permanently off-planet, then it's really no different than all of the various sea-faring cultures that supposedly discovered the American continents in the centuries before Columbus but didn't really do anything with that knowledge. Right now, we're on that cusp, in that we've gone somewhere, but rather than continuing to develop that ability to keep going, we've pulled back. Perhaps pulling back for a time is wise and warranted, as the entire method employed to go to the moon was very highly specialized for only that particular mission and would be terribly ill-suited to going farther, but at some point we need to take all of that data from the other planets, from how our probes move through the solar system, and we need to actually go out there in the flesh.

      Maybe if we're smart we won't destroy what we find when we get there.

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    16. Re:No stars in the photo! by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Yeah, then I think it's been 40 years and we've achieved precious little else except cargo trips to low earth orbit that blow up once in a while, and an "international space station" which no one ended up wanting to pay for, was plagued with delays and budget cuts, and despite being much more expensive has not really achieved much more than Skylab; and I get depressed. Oh and we put some toy robots on Mars.

      The ISS has achieved MAGNITUDES more than Skylab. Skylab was only in orbit for six years, and of those six years it was only occupied for 171 days. Three trips were made, each consisting of three astronauts. The ISS has been in orbit for thirteen years and will probably be in orbit for another nine. It has three times the habitable volume, and has been continuously occupied since 2006. As of 15 December 2010, it had received 297 visitors (196 different people).

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    17. Re:No stars in the photo! by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      I must have missed all those achievements that put man further into space...

      Beyond the orbit of Luna, space belongs to robots, and will for quite a while. There's nothing we can have humans do in deep space the justifies the cost of sending them there. If we survive the next century, maybe we'll have developed technology that will bring that cost down; but criticizing NASA for not getting humans further into space is disconnected from reality.

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    18. Re:No stars in the photo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Romans named them for us.

    19. Re:No stars in the photo! by jamiesan · · Score: 1

      Are you the Peoples Front of Nasa?

    20. Re:No stars in the photo! by radtea · · Score: 1

      There's no stars in the photos! Obiously they're fake and the moon landing was a hoax!

      Worse yet, I can see the lunar surface! Since I am repeatedly told by lunar hoax sites that there is no source of light on the Moon other than direct sunlight it must be the case that the lunar regolith is totally non-reflective. Otherwise it would be a source of light and all those not-perfectly-black-shadows wouldn't be proof it was all faked by people who didn't have the deep insights into the lunar surface that the hoaxers do.

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    21. Re:No stars in the photo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a matter of fact, both sides are dark...

    22. Re:No stars in the photo! by i_b_don · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree. Once we got to the moon... there totally is a feeling of "um.. ok, now what?" that you see in the history of the Apollo programs. So we're there and we start making up crap excuses and hollow objectives to justify why we're there.

      Ok, so that's stupid, but I believe in the final objective of putting people up in space in a long term and sustainable fashion. In the end, this does mean you have to have a viable economy or other reason for being there, but in the short therm you want to keep making continuous steps toward that objective. If we don't we'll never get there and it'll always remain economically unachievable because we will won't be any closer to our goal than we are now.

      From my perspective we have made steps toward the goal of putting people in space by building the space station. Getting people farther and farther away from this planet isn't the objective. Shooting a guy off to mars for example, is just a short term pissing contest. People living in space is the objective (at least as I see it). Building viable space stations is a necessary part of living in space so on that regard we're approaching things pretty well with the ISS.

      The goal should be first to do things that are self sustaining and everything else will come back from that.

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    23. Re:No stars in the photo! by pacinpm · · Score: 1

      If we survive the next century, maybe we'll have developed technology that will bring that cost down;[...]

      Progress it's not something which developes by itself. You have to actively develop cheap rockets to make them cheap. You can't just sit and wait for cheap rockets.

      If you campare money spent on all US wars (after WW2) to money spent on NASA you will have to agree it's much better to invest all the money into space race than into arms race.

  7. But what we really want to see is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the Apollo 18 landing site!

    1. Re:But what we really want to see is... by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 1

      the Apollo 18 landing site!

      and 19 and 20 as well.

      These missions were cancelled partly because hardly anybody was watching on TV any more (hence budget cuts because there were no votes to be had by supporting the program). I was one of those who watched every mission that went to or around the Moon, even getting up at weird hours to watch live footage from Apollo 8 and 11.

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    2. Re:But what we really want to see is... by Randseed · · Score: 1

      Thank you for your service, sir. (Think about it.)

    3. Re:But what we really want to see is... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Unless he was one of the Nielsen Families, his service was in vain.

    4. Re:But what we really want to see is... by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      I wonder if the same dumb-asses who canceled the Moon landings due to Nielsen ratings were working with the fucktards who canceled Star Trek due to (horribly flawed, completely and totally inaccurate and meaningless) Nielsen ratings.

      It's hard to argue the credibility of a ratings system that shit-cans a TV show which later goes on to spawn more spin-offs than a sane person can keep track of.

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  8. You haven't fooled me NASA! by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Some ugg boots, a remote sandy beach, and photoshop and I could do the same thing!

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    1. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by whiteboy86 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those doubters will not be silenced by this, it doesn't look convincing enough, looks more like a bad photoshop job. Try harder NASA, this is crucial, we need to dismiss those confusions, more.. we need to annihilate any last shadow of a disbelief about the landing, otherwise it only makes things worse.

    2. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by SlippyToad · · Score: 2

      Or we need to ignore and marginalize dumb-fucks who get all of their information from other dumb-fucks.

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    3. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      Try harder NASA, this is crucial, we need to dismiss those confusions, more.. we need to annihilate any last shadow of a disbelief about the landing

      Why? Just ignore those bozos and move on (or punch them in the face, Aldrin-style.)

      otherwise it only makes things worse.

      What 'things?' There's no requirement for NASA to spend tax dollars to placating morons.

    4. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by OzoneLad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What 'things?' There's no requirement for NASA to spend tax dollars to placating morons.

      Well, they do have to keep Congress happy.

    5. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by idontgno · · Score: 3, Funny

      But.. but...I LIKE reading Slashdot!

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    6. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

      And lets pay attention to the dumb-fucks to get all of their information from dumb-fucks with auspicious placards on their desks.

      Kennedy was wagging the dog decades before they had a clever phrase for it. Given that NASA basically had a blank check for this mission, it would have been simpler long term to actually go to the moon... but what if a few months in they discovered that wasn't possible?

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    7. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Some ugg boots, a remote sandy beach, and photoshop and I could do the same thing!

      Add a Sports Illustrated model or two and you have the makings of a great reality TV show.

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    8. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Or we need to ignore and marginalize dumb-fucks who get all of their information from other dumb-fucks.

      By my estimate, that would be over 90% of the population, in one way or another. Kinda hard to marginalize such a vast majority.....

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    9. Re:You haven't fooled me NASA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >but what if a few months in they discovered that wasn't possible?

      They DID discover that. NASA and everybody else was stunned by Kennedy's "challenge" because we were NOWHERE when he made it. The US hadn't made it into Earth orbit in 1961 and our rockets routinely blew up (in 1960, the US attempted 29 launches and had 13 failures, in 1961 the US made 41 attempts with 16 failures). And by failure, we mean the kind that goes BOOM and destroys anything (or anyONE) on board...

      We had to start almost from scratch: we didn't have the computers, the materials, the people, the manufacturing techniques, none of it.

      And we did it.

  9. They still won't belive it. by arthurpaliden · · Score: 5, Funny

    The 'never went to the moon' crowd will only believe it when the can see it with their own eyes. Which is fine by me. Take them there and let them look. Jjust remember no helmets now, the visors could be ultra high def curved monitors.

    1. Re:They still won't belive it. by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
      You just made them wear no helmets so that you could explain why you killed them to hide the secret that the moon landing was faked!

      :D

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    2. Re:They still won't belive it. by arielCo · · Score: 2

      That's why it's crucial to ship them all.

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    3. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, the faked moon landing people are about as bad as the AGW crowed these days.

    4. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      'B' Ark

    5. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple of white dots is hardly flyby surveillance photography. We're supposed to have satellites that can read the print on your newspaper, but newer technology in space around the moon can't take a single decent image of any area?

    6. Re:They still won't belive it. by felipekk · · Score: 1

      NASA providing pictures of the landing sites on the moon to prove they actually went there is like Bush providing pictures of weapon depots in Iraq to prove they had WMDs.

    7. Re:They still won't belive it. by felipekk · · Score: 1

      Fuck I had the sarcasm tags but forgot that Slashdot strips them away...

    8. Re:They still won't belive it. by 19061969 · · Score: 1

      ...which should raise the mean IQ of both deniers and everyone else....

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    9. Re:They still won't belive it. by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      LOL. I'm picturing how fast an ordinary person with a brain would sort out that the monitor wasn't tracking his head movements.

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    10. Re:They still won't belive it. by OldeTimeGeek · · Score: 1

      The moon's a bit farther away...

    11. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh there is AGW alright. Just today we saw that there's huge warming in the data coming out of the MET in England. There's no warming in the data from Scotland, Wales or Ireland though - but who cares. Not enough grants going in their direction anyway.

    12. Re:They still won't belive it. by segedunum · · Score: 1

      The 'never went to the moon' crowd will only believe it when the can see it with their own eyes. Which is fine by me. Take them there and let them look. Jjust remember no helmets now, the visors could be ultra high def curved monitors.

      Going back there to verify what was done is the whole point of science, so the unintentional irony is quite funny.

    13. Re:They still won't belive it. by element-o.p. · · Score: 1
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    14. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I were President...

      ALL Apollo astronauts would carry a Presidential Pardon Certificate (read: "Get out of jail free card"). This would enable the bearer of said card the privilege to render unto those who accuse said astronaut of "faking it" a "Saturn-V" sized level of whoop ass onto said accuser.

      I'd call it the "Don't Fsck with Buzz Act".

      Seriously, how much more proof do these idiots need?

    15. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait until I tell them that I worked for the government to create in-eye displays and radio systems that can simulate visual stimuli to the optical nerves! ^^

      And wait until I tell you that the opposite extreme of believing everything you see, hear or read, is the main problem in today's society (not the few conspiracy theorists), and some skepticism would actually do society as a whole some good.. :P

    16. Re:They still won't belive it. by IrquiM · · Score: 1

      No need for helmets on a sound-stage

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    17. Re:They still won't belive it. by gsslay · · Score: 1

      They won't believe even then. It will only be proof that you nipped out and put that stuff there just before they landed.

      It is impossible to prove anything to someone who first makes up their mind what they wish to believe, and then constructs reality around that.

    18. Re:They still won't belive it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Buzz object to a file system check?

  10. Won't convince the deniers of course. by Maritz · · Score: 1

    Will be mildly interesting to see how the moon hoax crowd deal with this, they'll largely ignore it I expect. Some of them might respond to this by diverging into slightly milder delusions, such as 'oh just the first one was faked' or something along those lines. Just another illustration of how unwilling people are to change their minds once they're emotionally invested in a particular view. It's a shame that this is the default mode of human thought, in my opinion schools should be doing more to teach about these default tendencies of the mind.

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    1. Re:Won't convince the deniers of course. by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Will be mildly interesting to see how the moon hoax crowd deal with this, they'll largely ignore it I expect.

      Some will probably state that NASA sent folks up there to make those tracks so the "proof" could be faked, only they're too stupid to realize the faulty logic and admission that it is possible to get to the moon.

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    2. Re:Won't convince the deniers of course. by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Remember, for a conspiracy theorist, evidence against a conspiracy is evidence for a conspiracy.

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    3. Re:Won't convince the deniers of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if they believe the original videos and stills were faked than you'll never prove anything to them with photographic or video evidence. Special effects have only gotten better since the 1960's.

      In theory they could go and see for themselves, but not until the infrastructure necessary for another manned mission is developed at which point they would trivially be able to claim that the 2010's+ era re-development was actually the original development of said technology and the sites were prepped sometime shortly before the first flight to include tourists was sent.

      There isn't any way to prove the moon landing happened. The best you can do is ask the conspiracy nuts to provide evidence to the contrary and debunk that evidence whack-a-mole style.

    4. Re:Won't convince the deniers of course. by datsa · · Score: 1

      Looks like a closeup of really bad skin to me. Maybe medical images from a NASA secretary's last dermatology visit...
      That thing that looks like a lunar lander is really just a bad case of eczema.

    5. Re:Won't convince the deniers of course. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Duh! John Sculley saved Apple but you won't get people to accept that and IT HAPPENED ON EARTH in front of millions of witnesses!

    6. Re:Won't convince the deniers of course. by mark-t · · Score: 1

      More probable, I would think, is that they would conclude that these photos were faked as well.

  11. Where did Apollo 18 Land? by Nickodeimus · · Score: 0

    Just wondering...

    1. Re:Where did Apollo 18 Land? by Beelzebud · · Score: 2

      /dev/null is the best place for it.

    2. Re:Where did Apollo 18 Land? by schlesinm · · Score: 1

      If you go around the South Pole of the moon, you will see a giant excavation. That is where the all copies of the movie, DVD as well as the writer and director of Apollo 18 will be buried to make sure no one has to go through the burden of ever thinking about that movie ever again. Think of it as Atari ET on a larger scale.

    3. Re:Where did Apollo 18 land? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry to have to shatter your reality, but Apollo 18 was not documentary... That they are calling it one is nothing more than a means that the creators are using to hype their movie.

      It is about as factual as Star Wars.

    4. Re:Where did Apollo 18 Land? by JamesP · · Score: 1

      It's a soundstage on Mars

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    5. Re:Where did Apollo 18 land? by pissoncutler · · Score: 2

      I'm sure Hollywood has taken some license with the story, but I don't think it's fair to call it pure fiction. The actual Apollo 18 moon landing is just as real as any of the other moon missions, they were all filmed on the same soundstage in Studio City...

      Hold on, what's Buzz Aldrin doing here? Buzz, why? ... NOT IN THE FACE ... Oh the humanity...

    6. Re:Where did Apollo 18 land? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      On the way to work this morning I heard on the radio someone say that he really liked Apollo 18 as a horror film, but the only thing wrong with it is that wayyyy too many people are going to believe the footage is authentic.

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    7. Re:Where did Apollo 18 land? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Negative. The previous lunar landings were genuine.

      The so-called incentives that are alleged to have existed for them to fake it are nothing more than the delusional imaginings of people who stubbornly refuse to take evidence at face value, and would rather contrive convoluted stories as a means to describe something than believe a genuinely simpler explanation - the truth.

      Yes, it was hard to get into space in the 1960's... quite hard (it's still hard now, in fact... although slightly simpler). Yes, the USA was more than a bit embarrassed by the fact that the Soviet Union had put a man into orbit before they did. Yes, the USA accelerated their space exploration agenda in no small part because they wanted to get to the moon before the Soviets did. However, the incentives were *not* there to any great degree to fake any such mission, and it is nothing but wholly unsubstantiated conjecture that the aforementioned incentives to get to the moon were anything even close to sufficient motivation to actually lie about it.

    8. Re:Where did Apollo 18 land? by roc97007 · · Score: 0

      So that's the more civil political discourse I've been hearing about. To address your point, it couldn't possibly be because I leave the radio on the news channel for traffic reports?

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  12. Freaking Flash (again!) by smooth+wombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What the hell do they need to use Flash to display images? What moron thought a simple picture file would be enhanced by embedding it within another piece of software?

    Rule #2 of IT that should never be broken: Never let a web designer design your web page.

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    1. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume Rule #3 is never let anyone do the job they are paid to do?

    2. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by darkshot117 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know you can click the link to the actual image right? The flash part is just showing a slider comparison between high and low res older pictures.

    3. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by RollingThunder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How, exactly, can we get that cool comparison-slider, without using something like Flash or HTML5?

    4. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ooo, I know! HTML 4.

      Because the comparison slider isn't doing anything all that fancy and is something I could whip up in maybe an hour using JavaScript that could, conceptually at least, work in any reasonably standards-compliant graphical browser released in the past decade.

      Hell, you should be able to duplicate that effect using JavaScript in Netscape 4. It would probably take some effort to get something that works in both Netscape 4 and modern, but it'd be doable.

      Flash and HTML 5 are not needed for that comparison slider.

    5. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Randseed · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This would be because they hired a bunch of Devrys and/or retards for their IS staff.

    6. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 1

      lol javascript

    7. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Could easily be done with CSS divs and a little javascript.

    8. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      without using something like Flash or HTML5?

      Good old plain JavaScript. If your browser isn't supporting JavaScript you're probably not into fancy things or not interested in images. (you can provide the user with the raw imagery if they are the rare noscript users)

      You remind me of someone that gave some advice in a forum where he rewrote basic JavaScript functionality in Jquery. And very inefficient.

      Know your vanilla tools, use them plenty.

    9. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Matheus · · Score: 1

      Please mod parent down to 0 for the reasons stated by my siblings... an idiot does not deserve a 5.

      The slide comparison is a useful tool and I'm happy to have it.

    10. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule #2 of IT that should never be broken: Never let a web designer design your web page.

      Wow, that's some arrogant bullshit right there. The reason people hire web designers is that a good web designer would know exactly how and why to avoid stupid crap like that, and also a ton of stupid crap you don't even know exists. The real problem is that people who are not qualified to do web design work get hired as web designers precisely because of that kind of dismissive attitude towards the profession: "anyone can do it!"

    11. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said - Firefox frequently uses 98% processor while rendering pages these days and I still have to wait to find out it's just a static text page or a simple-looking form. Huge JavaScript libraries, massive embedded stylesheets that don't look human-generated. We need a few web designers who actually understand what they're doing instead of just using high-level tools that pump out turgid bloated rubbish.

    12. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Because the comparison slider isn't doing anything all that fancy and is something I could whip up in maybe an hour using JavaScript that could, conceptually at least, work in any reasonably standards-compliant graphical browser released in the past decade.

      But that would be something that a point-n-drool IT grad grunt could do in Dreamweaver CS 27, so it'll never happen.
      And hell, you could whip up a simple script that toggled the image from old to new and back in about 30 seconds. Granted, you wouldn't have the slider with that, but you could still do the comparison.

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    13. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is so sad that my PC sometimes struggles just to handle these crappy Flash "goodies" while computers of the Apollo era were a billion times slower and sent men on the Moon. Crap.

    14. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How, exactly, can we get that cool comparison-slider, without using something like Flash or HTML5?

      I believe you just answered your own question.

    15. Re:Freaking Flash (again!) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could easily be done with an image tag and a rollover effect. Seriously, this was hi tech ... in the '90s.

      No, you wouldn't have the fancy-schmancy slider. Who cares...

  13. How sad is this by sunking2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When our space program is reduced to trying to impress us all by looking 40 years in the past.

    1. Re:How sad is this by Beelzebud · · Score: 5, Insightful

      About as sad as the fact that a sizable chunk of the population needs proof, because they're too fucking idiotic to appreciate one of the biggest accomplishments of our civilization. If you had told people in the 1970's that this is how it would turn out, they would have laughed you out of the room.

    2. Re:How sad is this by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If the US economy hadn't been pillaged by 1%ers and bled dry by the specter of some religious nuts who live in caves, they'd be in a space-faring dickwaving competition with China right now. Sad to think of what could have been...

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    3. Re:How sad is this by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      If it makes you feel any better, the only moon landing deniers I know are 50+ years old.

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    4. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About as sad as the fact that a sizable chunk of the population needs proof, because they're too fucking idiotic to appreciate one of the biggest accomplishments of our civilization. If you had told people in the 1970's that this is how it would turn out, they would have laughed you out of the room.

      Proof? What's this "proof" you speak of? We have Photoshop now so there is no such thing as photographic proof.

    5. Re:How sad is this by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      Whats sad is attitudes like yours. The moon landing was a 150 billion dollar expense that didn't do much other than to show the Soviets that we could burn money faster.

      For a TINY, TINY fraction of that money we are funding COTS which is funding all these private companies who will be tomorrow's leaders.

      That's ignoring all the space science that's going on and the incredible missions NASA casually puts out. Hell, look at the NASA launch calendar from this year and last. Pretty amazing stuff that won't be on slashdot or "news for dummies" because it doesn't involve the Apollo missions or some other lowest common denominator low hang fruit.

      Heck, GRAIL launches on Thursday and its a moon mission, but I'm pretty sure people like you don't give two shits about that. DAWN just took a closeup shot of Vesta.There's a whole lot more going on than launching a super explosive shuttle that can barely do LEO. Funny how the ISS went from an expensive boondoggle of questionable utility to "humanity's last hope" and the shuttle went from "we should replace this monster" to "we need this to work forever and ever and never get past LEO!!!"

      If you and I go to space it won't be on a rocket with NASA on the side, it'll be on a rocket with some private company's name of the side

    6. Re:How sad is this by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      And why do they need proof? Because in 40 years we haven't matched the accomplishment. We're going on two generations removed from the event. It's hardly mentioned in the history classes and we all know the state of the education system so in many places it probably isn't mentioned at all. There are very very few deniers, but scores of those who are ignorant to the fact, and human nature will put those who don't know as knee jerk naysayers.
      If you can't maintain progress, the achievements of the past fade away.

    7. Re:How sad is this by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >About as sad as the fact that a sizable chunk of the population needs proof

      Sizable chunk? Citation please.

      Moon denial is a very minority position, like 9/11 truther (most of whom I've only seen on slashdot)

    8. Re:How sad is this by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      And why do they need proof? Because in 40 years we haven't matched the accomplishment.

      The Moon Hoaxers were publishing books almost as soon as Apollo 17 splashed down.

    9. Re:How sad is this by na1led · · Score: 1

      You can't put a price on knowledge gained from exploration. Who knows what new inventions or ideas will come about from what we learned of the moon.

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    10. Re:How sad is this by Teun · · Score: 2
      Then it was 150 billion dollars well spend.

      If only GW would have spend a fraction of what became the Iraq war on an other moon or even Mars mission the US would have been admired by youth the world over, including the Muslim world.

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    11. Re:How sad is this by steelfood · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The problem is that since then, too many conspiracies have popped up. There've been too many government cover ups, too many covert operations, too many things that the government does that goes against the will of the people.

      People no longer believe in what the government says. People can no longer trust the government to be of the people, for the people, and by the people. Why do you think radical movements like the tea party have gained popularity recently? Why do you think that every presidential election for the past twenty years involves candidates trying to dig up dirt on the other guy, and when that fails to appear, make up the dirt?

      And the worst part is, the media is so enamored of politicans' dirt that they blow a smudge out of proportion into a BP oil spill. So anyone who isn't 100% clean (which is impossible) has to spend wads and wads of money defending themselves, and the one with the most money instead of the one with the best policies win. And the one with the most money got that way because of special interest groups' donations, which in turn fuels the covert operations and secrecy.

      The cycle is vicious and has existed since the very beginning of the nation. It's only now with the easy access to information that people have come to realize what a corrupt group of people are sitting at the top. And so love turns to hatred, trust turns to distrust.

      And the smart and ambitious are trying to ride this tidal wave to the top. They don't actually care what happens when it comes crashing down in a few generations, as they'll be 6 feet under by then. But they'll make it sound like they do.

      Sorry for the rant.

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    12. Re:How sad is this by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Moon landing denial, 9/11 truthers, birthers, and AGW people are all kind of a scary vocal minority trying to say that government and business is out to get us.

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    13. Re:How sad is this by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      Because in 40 years we haven't matched the accomplishment.

      Largely because there's no need to. There is little if anything the moon of any economic value, and certainly nothing worth the cost of getting there. There's no more cold war pissing contest adversaries, so that motivation is gone.

      We got what we needed from the original mission: enough scientific data to verify the leading theory about how the moon was formed. If we ever need to get more moon rocks, advances in robotics and automation now make it possible to achieve everything Apollo did and more with unmanned sample return probes, at a small fraction of the cost.

      Mars will be pretty much the same story, just with all the costs increased by orders of magnitude.

    14. Re:How sad is this by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Don't forget ID proponents which I am afraid is a larger percentage of the US public.

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    15. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because in 40 years we haven't matched the accomplishment.

      Largely because there's no need to. ...

      His point was not that we have not gone back, but that we haven't "matched the accomplishment". Your argument is made irrelevant due to inaccuracy.

    16. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it makes you feel any better, I don't know any moon landing deniers. I do, however, know some real-life trolls that say random stupid shit to get a reaction.

      I avoid those kinds of people.

    17. Re:How sad is this by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      I see you stopped reading my post at the first sentence.

    18. Re:How sad is this by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      You can't put a price on knowledge gained from exploration. Who knows what new inventions or ideas will come about from what we learned of the moon.

      This misses the point. What we learned from the Apollo program was a tiny fraction of what we learned from the (still ongoing) Voyager missions. We could have explored and learned so much more by not wasting so much money on Apollo and the Shuttle and other such hugely expensive and comparatively uninformative programs. Not saying we didn't learn anything, but in terms of "knowledge gained from exploration", it gave is comparatively very little bang for the buck.

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    19. Re:How sad is this by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

      The first conspiracy theories regarding the moon landings appeared right after the moon landings ended. The movie Capricorn One, which depicts Sam "Jack McCoy" Waterston as one of three astronauts going to Mars who are Shanghaied into a faked landing. Of course, NASA can't keep a secret so they try to have the astronauts killed. You see how hard it is to keep a secret when even fake NASA can't do it? =)

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    20. Re:How sad is this by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 1

      It's unfair to compare Apollo and Voyager. They're two completely different types of missions.

      The tech gained from Apollo went a long way to pushing main stream computing through development of IC's, fuel cells, and flight computers.

      It would be hard to discern the tech from the shuttle program since much of the data we have now might not have been possible under other circumstances. Take Hubble for instance. Sure, it could have been done right the first time, but it wasn't. It's hard to look at Hubble without also thinking about the shuttle program.

      USA Today's top 25 achievements from the last 25 years (from 2007) has 9 from NASA. http://www.usatoday.com/marketing/media_kit/pressroom/2007/releases/082007_top_25.html

      The main reason that we can do things cheaper now is that we now know what not to do. That's important as well.

    21. Re:How sad is this by datsa · · Score: 1

      That's still less sad than the fact that many people don't feel like they can trust their government about something as monumentally important as this.

    22. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] a scary vocal minority trying to say that government and business is out to get us.

      Hey, you just described Slashdot!

    23. Re:How sad is this by segedunum · · Score: 1

      Largely because there's no need to.

      If you can't verify and follow up your achievements, and allow others to follow as good science demands, then you've achieved zilch. I've never really fathomed why we should treat the moon landings any different from many early explorers who claimed that they'd climbed mountains and reached summits with photos to prove it.......until people went where they supposedly went and found out that the photos weren't taken where they said they were. It was on TV though, and nothing that comes down the tube is ever faked...........

    24. Re:How sad is this by segedunum · · Score: 1

      Most people believe governments and businesses? That one is news to me.

    25. Re:How sad is this by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      The book was SO much better than that crappy movie.

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    26. Re:How sad is this by Kittenman · · Score: 1
      Hear hear. Us rest-of-the-world folk admired the things that the US did, and were capable of doing back in the late 60s and 70s. That's why a lot of the world emulated the States. Then you (the States) seemed to lose your way.

      Step back into the limelight. The world needs you.

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    27. Re:How sad is this by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

      We're broke and shipped away much of our wealth!

      I can only hope that Americans become more optimistic and want to take up big things once again.

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    28. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Laughed? No. I remember the 70s quite clearly. The period of Skylab was already a period of "Um, so what's next?" coupled with sliding public interest.

      The great popularizers like Carl Sagan were around, but they only underlined that the fantastically involved and expensive Moon program was a flea-bite compared to the distances and technology needed to go beyond. Clearly nothing nearly as impressive (to the layman) was going to happen again for generations.

      Greater interest in 'space' flipped back to complete fantasy with Star Wars. We realized Kubrick's 2001 wasn't going to happen. The Kennedy Moon Race was over and won, and there was nothing but a lifeless rock up there. From here on it was going to be very expensive sponsorship of science to talk about bacteria. It was going to be nothing at all like the 60s children's books telling us we might work in space.

      (Disclaimer: I /like/ the science. I want to keep sending probes and such. I'm talking about the greater viewpoint here.)

    29. Re:How sad is this by GrahamCox · · Score: 2

      There've been too many government cover ups, too many covert operations, too many things that the government does that goes against the will of the people.

      Yes, and we know about them because sooner or later (usually sooner) they all came to light - someone leaked information, spilt the beans to the press, or just plain got caught. And when those conspiracies to get unravelled, they are usually laughable in their breathtaking arrogance and incompetence. To me, this proves that the moon conspiracy theories can't be true, or we'd all know all about it. It's just impossible that it could have been covered up successfully and competently to the extent that some believe it has.

    30. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      About as sad as people slobbering over things because they're vintage or antique. We're always impressed by the crazy things people did in the past because they were convinced of its superiority at that time.

      Manned space flight is a hole for money. Unmanned spaceflight has progressed an INCREDIBLE amount in the past 40 years.

      The final result of manned spaceflight should be colonization. But, if we want to learn how to live in space, we should first do our damndest to test life support in cheaper, more manageable locations such as undersea labs. Until you can get a team of 5-8 living underwater with no outside resources for a span of 6 months, colonization is pretty unlikely. Arguably the ISS is a good analogue, but they get resupplied reasonably often so that isn't really accurate for a Mars mission.

      Of course, if we could go for it disregarding safety, I guess we could go pretty far ahead.

    31. Re:How sad is this by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      How are you NOT impressed? 6 years of google maps and you automatically assume we have video access to the entire universe down to 1 meter? This is about equivalent to the best public satellite imagery you can get today...but its on the MOON! And they did it for about $500mil. To put it in perspective with a fun comparison, $500M would buy you about 0.0014% of Apple's stock. And no they aren't looking 40 years into the past, they are looking 4 BILLION years into the past. This is all about figuring out why were here and who else might be out there. Why do the naysayers always get modded up?

    32. Re:How sad is this by matazlmb · · Score: 1

      "fucking idiotic" sounds bad, in case you are not aware of NETIQUETTE enough to realize it. So speak for yourself.. As being a reasonable person, I am hurt by people like you who are uncapable of arguing. This is the only kind of treatment I see in english speaking websites (not the same with other languages ) when someone thinks that it was faked. "fucking idiotic" is what people thought about Galileo.

    33. Re:How sad is this by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      If you can't verify and follow up your achievements

      They did verify, repeatedly, though satellite imagery.

      Followup of achievements has been done many times simply trough multiple space visits, as that was a real achievement. There's no need to "follow up an achievement" if once done you find no use expiring that path further.

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    34. Re:How sad is this by CaptainLard · · Score: 1

      whoops, 0.14%. Maybe they get modded up because their math is correct. But my point still stands!

    35. Re:How sad is this by Rik+Rohl · · Score: 1

      Where's the (+1, Depressing) mod when you need it?

    36. Re:How sad is this by Dhrakar · · Score: 1

      No. What's sad is that you can't see the fact that if there had been no Apollo, then there would be no COTS. The money that was spent on the early NASA programs laid the foundation for all that has gone since. From the hardware and computer advances to all of the trained personnel ... it has all added up to get us where we are today.

      I agree that NASA is doing some truly amazing things today and I am really, really hoping that Bigelow gets his hotels in orbit and that SpaceX is successful and that Virgin manages to launch a bunch of customers into low-earth orbit. However, credit has to be given to the Mercury, Apollo and Gemini programs (not to mention the Soviet/Russian programs)-- they paved the way.

    37. Re:How sad is this by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      Because in 40 years we haven't matched the accomplishment.

      Spoken like someone who hasn't seen satellite TV or used an Iridium phone. Yes, these are closer than the moon but more numerous. And they're commercial and actual useful applications. Their seeming mundaneness is amazing in itself.

      Oh, and spoken like someone who hasn't seen photos from the surface of Mars. Or photos from probes that few by Neptune, or orbited Jupiter and Saturn.

      I get that you want people walking around on the moon again (though I don't get why), but let's not get silly and say the accomplishment hasn't been matched. Some pretty amazing space shit happened after Apollo. It's just been a little less symbolic and a little more informative.

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    38. Re:How sad is this by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Largely because there's no need to. There is little if anything the moon of any economic value, and certainly nothing worth the cost of getting there.

      There's value in survival, and having humans spread in multiple planets helps ensure that. This planet frequently suffers asteroid strikes, supervolcano eruptions, ice ages, methane eruptions, and possibly other hazards; we must claim other planets if we're to avoid extinction.

      Then there's value in growth. We're getting to the point of tapping Earth's resources, at least at our current technology level, so spreading to space is the next logical step. And while Moon might not have plenty of resources by itself, it's an airless low-gravity world in close proximity to Earth, making it the perfect place to launch deep-space asteroid-mining operations and other mission. And Moon does have water, which is useful by itself and as a raw material for fuel or for oxygen, and plenty of solar energy besides.

      Finally, there's value in making the universe a more interesting place by colonizing lifeless worlds and converting them into biospheres. Moon is dead rock right now; wouldn't a Moon with thriving metropolises and all the associated life be a far more interesting place?

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    39. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no need to cross the oceans to the new world either. Absolutely nothing over there that we don't already have right here.

    40. Re:How sad is this by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      There was no need to cross the oceans to the new world either. Absolutely nothing over there that we don't already have right here.

      What a stupid analogy. As soon as they got there, explorers found that the new world was chock full of high value stuff that could be easily snatched from their owners and transported back to Europe at reasonable cost.

      The moon, OTOH, is nothing more than an airless rock made up almost entirely of low-value elements. And it costs $billions just to send a carload of people there for a 1-week vacation.

    41. Re:How sad is this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't make me feel any better for two reasons: a) facts don't have to make me feel better, they are not for that, and b) it's false. Counterexample: my sister is 30 years old and she's the kind of retarded housewife with 2.5 kids who is 'not sure' that americans went to the moon. The other day I confronted her with an undeniable fact even by her: the russians and all their satellite countries were at (cold) war with the US then and if any of the moon landing had been in the slightest fake they would have inundated the world with proof and then some soviet propaganda for good measure. Can you imagine what Cuba would have trumpeted at the time? Everyone kept silent. My sister kept (for once) silent too for a second, then, feeling defeat, said, hmmmrrmm grudgingly. Yes, the world is still full of self-serving retards and will be for millennia to come. This 'people' regard an episode of Cosmos as torture. Our brain is the same as it was 10,000 years ago, when all we had to do was kill our neighbour and steal his food.

    42. Re:How sad is this by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You will never convince the doubters of that, even if you took them up there personally to look at the sites. They would just argue that the spacecraft were unmanned and put there to provide evidence for Russian probes to see and to bounce back radio transmissions supposedly coming from the surface.

      It is impossible to prove anything like that from history with absolute certainty, so there will always be conspiracy theories that people hold on to.

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    43. Re:How sad is this by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      At least the US got that far. The UK is the only country to have developed the capability to put things in orbit and then abandoned it.

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    44. Re:How sad is this by ticktickboom · · Score: 0

      first of all, theres 2 layers of extreme radiation surrounding outs planet, the Apollo shuttle had no protection against these bands, and they past thru them 2 times. none of them got cancer. the glass on t he helmets reflected nothing, nothing at all. that could just be strange physics. there's much much more, but you can just take the NASA's word that we did something technologically impossible at the time, and did it faster than the Russians, and haven't been able to do it again since then. just not got the ability to take a picture....all the pics are photo shopped, the moon landing pictures never happened!

    45. Re:How sad is this by delt0r · · Score: 1

      You can't put a price on knowledge gained from exploration..

      Yes you can. Its the JPL/NASA budget more or less. Human missions have fallen very short of good return for the investment. the much cheaper automated/robotic missions have been far more successful for much less.

      In other news Insurance companies *do* put a dollar value (read price) on life.

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    46. Re:How sad is this by delt0r · · Score: 1

      Its not unfair. Its the reality of opportunity cost.

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    47. Re:How sad is this by RogerWilco · · Score: 1

      I wish that were true, I know some in their early twenties. :-(

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    48. Re:How sad is this by splatterboy · · Score: 1

      I just love "the market and privatization will win the day" goons like you. Private companies have done such a great job keeping the earth clean and safe, not to mention their sterling record of labor relations, worker safety... But they will do great things, if you cut their taxes, let them bend a few laws, bail them out when they fuck up... The Gov't always has to do the dirty work - the infrastructure, roads, dams... then idiots like you dismantle the systems they built by claiming private industry could do better, when all they do is pillage profits that a stable society allows them to access to. Do us all a favor and go elect another politician who will make a 20 year career out of being "anti big gov't". everything you mentioned is only possible because nasa went to the moon - And if private industry ever gets into space they will never (Im saying never) ever (x) do anything remotely altruistic/scientific for its own sake, like nasa, like everything you mentioned

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    49. Re:How sad is this by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      And you are a fucking retard. Congratulations!

    50. Re:How sad is this by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but if you advocate that the moon landing was a hoax, you are in fact, a fucking idiot. Netiquette also says not to print things in all-caps.

  14. Just admire the pictures ... by MacTO · · Score: 1

    Let's just admire the new photos of humanities first forays to the Moon, and forget about the deniers. There is no point in the latter, because they will never be convinced. The thing that really matters is presenting ever better photos (i.e. evidence) as our technology improves so that future generations won't be tarnished by the cynicism and denial of conspiracy theorists.

    1. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      The technology to get these shots is no less impressive. Too bad many folks take such advances for granted, they don't even realize what an accomplishment is to get photos at this resolution and instead concentrate on the 'scandal' of the purported hoax. We don't deserve to rule this planet.

    2. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We don't deserve to rule this planet.

      Speak for yourself, puny human.

    3. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      I think about how sad it is that stupid people with little minds have boxed themselves in to a world where we never went to the Moon.

      It's almost worse than believing in a sky fairy that prevents you from understanding science. It's like believing in a . . . . bullshit fairy that prevents you from understanding reality.

      I mean, there are people going to their grave thinking one of the most spectacular achievments of all history was fake. It's very sad. What a boring little world they want to inhabit.

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    4. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by jovius · · Score: 1

      Let's just admire the new photos of humanities first forays to the Moo

      That's not a Moon.

    5. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by segedunum · · Score: 1

      The thing that really matters is presenting ever better photos (i.e. evidence) as our technology improves so that future generations won't be tarnished by the cynicism and denial of conspiracy theorists.

      Ahhhhh, so that's why we've never seen anything first-hand of the greatest achievement in the history of mankind. We didn't have the technology to photograph the moon well enough.

    6. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      It's a space station.

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    7. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by matazlmb · · Score: 1

      Thank you for calling me stupid. On a previus comment in this post they called me fuking idiot, and many other horrible things. I kind of get bored by people like you who can anly be verbally violent without arguing. It feels like going into a church to tell people that HE does not exist. At this point most of you turn into a mass of bigot believers.ha ha ha

    8. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I think about how sad it is that stupid people with little minds have boxed themselves in to a world where we never went to the Moon.

      Don't worry: perhaps China or India will sell you tourist trips to the landing site, once they've finished fighting over which one it belongs to. That should convince your sceptics that you once amounted to something, difficult as it might be to believe it now.

      Yeah, you went to the Moon, just like the Vikings went to the America... but neither of you could actually hold to your new holdings, now could you? So, in the end, your achievement is just a footnote in history, and the Moon will belong to whoever will colonize it - and that won't be you.

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    9. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by matazlmb · · Score: 1

      thias comment was ment to be for ultranova's comment (717540) on Tuesday September 06, @09:30PM (#37322440) (the following one)

    10. Re:Just admire the pictures ... by matazlmb · · Score: 1

      I ment SlippyToad (240532) on Tuesday September 06, @04:51PM (#37320402) Sorry!

  15. *Whew* by jomama717 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cernan and Schmitt were probably sweating this release out, thinking the image might reveal the ridiculous number of donuts they pulled in the moon buggy.

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    1. Re:*Whew* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      or the fact that Shepard forgot to rake his footprints in the sand trap.

  16. landing site missing by rava · · Score: 1

    Nice, nice, but I don't see any trace of the Apollo 18 landing...

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  17. Letter of Marque and Reprisal by perpenso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The U.S. Congress is authorized by the Constitution to issue Letter of Marque and Reprisal. I say Congress should issue one to Buzz Aldrin and let him punch moon hoaxers in face. That includes some of the idiots posting around here, Jay and Silent Bob style tracking them down and ringing the doorbell on their Mom's house. ;-)

    1. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by royallthefourth · · Score: 1

      In case anyone's missing the reference, see this quick video
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4

    2. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet not a single person that watches this clip will have seen the actual documentary it's taken from... It's easy to be critical without context.

    3. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet not a single person that watches this clip will have seen the actual documentary it's taken from... It's easy to be critical without context.

      I bet not a single person that smells very spoiled milk will pour a glass and drink it to see if it is indeed spoiled. Sometimes it takes very little evidence to detect lunacy.

    4. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If we can't engage the deniers with evidence and argument, let's just punch them in the face." Do you really think that will help?

      Does this strategy work in the office too? Or in international politics?

    5. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Yeknomaguh · · Score: 1

      Yes

    6. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't need Congressional authorization, Chuck Norris will back him up.

    7. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Lisandro · · Score: 1
    8. Re:Letter of Marque and Reprisal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If we can't engage the deniers with evidence and argument, let's just punch them in the face." Do you really think that will help?

      Evidence and arguments have been presented to debunk their hoax claims and their "evidence". Yet they persist, so going to the next level is appropriate.

  18. Irrefutable proof by NikeHerc · · Score: 1

    At last we have irrefutable proof that the Apollo landings weren't faked! Now my idiot brother-in-law will finally have to shut up.

    Oh, wait, who released the photos? Never mind...

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    1. Re:Irrefutable proof by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      At last we have irrefutable proof that the Apollo landings weren't faked! Now my idiot brother-in-law will finally have to shut up. Oh, wait, who released the photos? Never mind...

      Wouldn't matter in any case. No amount of proof will convince flat Earthers, creationists, moon landing hoaxers, global warming deniers, birthers, etc. Whatever evidence you may have is irrelevant...

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    2. Re:Irrefutable proof by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Except that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter photos were obviously faked. The LRO doesn't exist. It couldn't because there's no way it could orbit the moon, which is obviously a flat disk facing a flat earth.

      You're not thinking like a hoaxer. If they can ignore evidence in the past, they can even more easily ignore any evidence in the present and future, especially as technology makes evidence more and more easy to fake.

      In a way I think the hoaxers are doing us a favor, reminding us that we shouldn't take everything we hear from the scientific community at face value. Of course, they're way at the far end of the curve.

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  19. Re:Fake Landing by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

    I'm curious, are you trolling, or just a fucktard?

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  20. Disappointing by countertrolling · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I was expecting to see the rovers up on blocks with the radio and wheels missing. And the Russian one all decked out...

    So Aldrin goes back into the LM and the door accidentally locks behind him.

    When Armstrong climbs up, he knocks on the door

    Aldrin: Who is it?

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  21. Re:Fake Landing by Nadaka · · Score: 2

    does it have to be "or"? Could very well be "and".

  22. Circle of Rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see a circle of rocks East South East of Intrepid Descent Stage and North of Surveyor Crater. Eight rocks in a circle with one in the middle like a large sun dial....

  23. Truth be told by na1led · · Score: 1

    I guess that puts a lid on all those conspirators’ thinking the Lunar Mission was a fake!

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  24. Incomplete by danielnashnz · · Score: 1

    Glad they remembered not to generate the images for 13.

  25. proof of a conspiracy! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    You notice they didn't release pics of the landing sites at the South pole!


    jeeze, what a waste of effort on a crap horror movie. I feel dumb for even knowing that much about it...

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    1. Re:proof of a conspiracy! by fifedrum · · Score: 1

      no!!! don't tell me it's a lousy movie. It looked so promising.

  26. Lunar surface scarring by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

    wow... I'd seen the older, older, pictures but they were so horribly blurry that somebody might as well have sneezed on the image. But seeing these, I'm impressed that the tracks are still quite so visible. In fact, I can't help but think that astronauts pretty much scarred the otherwise pristine (as impacted soil goes) surface.
    Still better than a giant Pepsi logo, I suppose :)

    Hopefully they'll get even higher resolution images at some point - I want to know where those golf balls landed.

    1. Re:Lunar surface scarring by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Still better than a giant Pepsi logo, I suppose :)

      I'm waiting for the giant smiley face on South America. :)

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    2. Re:Lunar surface scarring by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed that the tracks are still quite so visible.

      You do know, don't you, that there's no weather on the Moon to move the surface dust around and cover up the tracks?

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    3. Re:Lunar surface scarring by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      Correct, but it is subject to other forces which I would have thought to have largely disrupted the tracks - perhaps not quite on this short a timescale.

  27. Where is the RTG? by molo · · Score: 1

    Where is the RTG? I'm sure the future lunar colonists will want to be able to locate the RTG. If just to secure it. (FYI, this was part of the ALSEP experiment package)

    -molo

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  28. provides engineering data for future rovers by peter303 · · Score: 1

    How far they went over what kind of surfaces. Not all the that may have been determinable from the films and telemetry.

  29. Re:Fake Landing by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

    I'm curious, are you trolling, or just a fucktard?

    Way back in the late 90's, I postulated loudly right here on /. that there is really no difference between a troll and an idiot. One says stupid things to derail the conversation, advance an agenda, or get attention. The other one is just stupid. But you can never tell because they are hiding behind an electronic keyboard.

    So the answer is, yes. He is. A trolling fucktard.

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  30. How poignant and sad... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...that we can see so clearly where we've been, but can't go there again.

    Of all the things ever predicted by science-fiction writers, did any of them predict that after we'd gotten to the moon, we'd let grass grow on the Saturn launching pads?

    "History records that the first successful voyage to the Moon was made in 2316 by Grzchopeng M'bennypacker. Some enthusiasts insist that unidentifiable metal fragments in the Taurus-Littrow valley are human artifacts, and are evidence that the United States reached the moon centuries earlier, but professional historians dismiss these as unproven speculation, and do not accept Frafnar Otsumix's alleged "decoding" of binary files alleged to be in what Otsumix calls "jpg" format. In any case, even if a handful of crude United States spacecraft somehow--by design or accident--managed reach the moon in the twentieth century, it is of no importance as nothing further came of it."

    1. Re:How poignant and sad... by foxywcuw · · Score: 1

      Great post. I'm with you!

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    2. Re:How poignant and sad... by jackbird · · Score: 1

      James Michener's Space> , published in 1982 (and so written during the final years of Apollo), discusses at length the likelihood that manned missions to the moon are over and done with after the end of Apollo. I think it's safe to say that people who were paying attention could see the writing on the wall before Skylab went up.

    3. Re:How poignant and sad... by jamesh · · Score: 1

      ...that we can see so clearly where we've been, but can't go there again.

      OTOH, If the collective governments all 'admitted' that the moon landings were all faked, I bet we'd be back there again in 5 years.

    4. Re:How poignant and sad... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Of all the things ever predicted by science-fiction writers, did any of them predict that after we'd gotten to the moon, we'd let grass grow on the Saturn launching pads?

      A friend of mine who just happens to write SF for a living likes to say that he always knew he'd live to see the first man on the Moon, but he'd never expected to see the last one.

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    5. Re:How poignant and sad... by dwye · · Score: 1

      > Of all the things ever predicted by science-fiction writers, did any
      > of them predict that after we'd gotten to the moon, we'd let grass
      > grow on the Saturn launching pads?

      Yes. Robert E. Heinlein, in his Future History series (collected together as "The Past Through Tomorrow") did. In fact, I think that he had several hiatus periods one after reaching orbit (broken by D.D. Harriman's consortium going to the Moon), and one after the Moon and Mars were settled (which stranded Lazarus Long off-world, working as a cathouse bouncer/owner). Both were caused by the economics of space travel disappearing for periods, much like the reason that the Chinese abandoned world-spanning sea voyages after getting at least as far as Madagascar, or why the Norse/Icelanders/Greenlanders abandoned North America before eventually conquering Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas (at least that is the way one old boss from there described it :-).

    6. Re:How poignant and sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sort of like the vikings sailing to America then. Most of the knowledge of it was lost, and the credit for the discovery later went to someone else.

    7. Re:How poignant and sad... by Archibald+Buttle · · Score: 1

      Dude, the Apollo program ran until 1972. That's ten whole years before 1982. The Apollo Applications program, which included Skylab, finished up in 1975. Unless Michener was a very, very, slow writer or sat on his finished manuscript for 7 years his novel wasn't written during the final years of Apollo.

    8. Re:How poignant and sad... by jackbird · · Score: 1

      I was off on the dates, but it's a long fucking book, with tons and tons of research evident. Then again Michener is well-known for fucking long thoroughly researched books, so maybe he was able to bang it out in a year.

      In any event, the main characters (in 1982) spout lots of exposition about why the shuttle program is a dead end that's going to keep anyone from leaving LEO soon, and why nobody is going back to the moon

    9. Re:How poignant and sad... by BetterSense · · Score: 1

      Your post reminds me of Thor Heyerdahl, who has put forth multiple theories that ancient people crossed basically all the oceans of the world at one time or other...he sailed across the Atlantic in a period-correct Egyptian reed boat to central America (where else did those pyramid-building Mayans come from?) and sailed across a big chunk of the Pacific in a period-correct balsa wood raft, to support his theory that the islands were populate by central Americans, or something. The general historical community has the basic attidude of the parent's post...they aren't sure whether to believe him and not sure if it matters if he's right. Columbus still goes down in history as the man who discovered America.

  31. Not enough evidence by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    If FOX NEWS decided to take up this issue it wouldn't matter how much evidence you have or how many scientists agree.
    FOX NEWS helped give credence to the conspiracy in the late 90s, almost like an experiment in how much they could do. I bet a sizable number of these people come from back in those days; just imagine how much harm they could cause if they continued putting such idiocy on their "news" channel... This was my thinking when I was introduced to the fake moon landings on Fox in the late 90s. We've been seeing that out on meaningful issues ever since.

    1. Re:Not enough evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It wasn't Fox News. It was Fox, the entertainment channel. The two are different; when attacking credibility, try and stay credible.

  32. So we can view Apollo 14's landing site by plsenjy · · Score: 1

    But can we find the golf balls that its commander Alan Shepard shot? He claims he drove one "miles and miles and miles." I have been calling that a hoax for years.

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  33. When I was younger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When I was younger I used to go to the bowling ally and play
    the pin ball machines.

    This night was one of the Moon walks, the front counter had a huge
    T.V. set up on the counter so they could watch. The entire time I
    was there I would take time out to watch them walk on the Moon.

    Riding my bike back home I rode with the Moon directly in front of
    me. It was a full Moon (pry the best time to land on it), and the
    features were crystal clear. The man in the Moon clearly visible and
    I thought !WoW! there are people walking on the Moon right now.

    I look at these pictures now and think my god just how large were
    their shoes anyways?

  34. Where did Apollo 18 land? by Nyder · · Score: 1

    So where did this "Apollo 18" land?

    We are just getting a historical documentry about Apollo 18 in the theatres, and they show us new pics of some older Apollo flights, but come on, let's see some Apollo 18 pics!

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  35. Japanese Orbiter? by segedunum · · Score: 1

    Anybody have any idea what happened to the Japanese orbiter that was also supposed to be taking good high resolution images of the moon?

    1. Re:Japanese Orbiter? by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 2

      Kaguya did its thing, then they crashed it to avoid creating more space junk. It took some seriously cool pictures and movies.

      ...laura

  36. Moon going be mess in the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its amazing to see that nothing virtually has changed in forty years. I wonder what people will think when the surface will be criss-crossed with tracks of people and equipment.

    We have folks who want go back, some want build to build some kind of business and so forth. What happens when they do? vigin terrority up there will be ever changing criss-crossing mess. I wonder if the moon will appears could change from so much activity up there.

  37. Extraterrestrial litter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just like humans, leaving a load of crap behind to mark their territory. Now who's going to clean this up?

  38. Really? by Lifyre · · Score: 2

    There is only one answer of course...

    GODZILLA!

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  39. Fantasy by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

    If only GW would have spend a fraction of what became the Iraq war on an other moon or even Mars mission the US would have been admired by youth the world over, including the Muslim world.

    News flash, the few violent muslims that hate us would not hate us any less had we spent a ton of money to try to go to Mars.

    They would have tried to blow up the mars craft though, and with full operational strength unimpeded by being beaten down in the middle east and most leaders killed, they might have even succeeded.

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  40. WTF Over!!!! by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

    I can go on google MAPS, not google EARTH bu google MAPS and see my pickup truck in my driveway and see the ties down straps I have in the bed of it and this is the fucking best they can do from 25 god kilometers up??

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    1. Re:WTF Over!!!! by spauldo · · Score: 1

      That picture with your pickup truck in your driveway was taken by aircraft, not satellite.

      If there is anything up there that can take a picture like that in space, it's probably classified.

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    2. Re:WTF Over!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because a lot of Google imagery is from aircraft.

    3. Re:WTF Over!!!! by FlyingGuy · · Score: 1

      You are probably right, but have a look at these these from 600+ fucking kilometers!

      Those are from a commercial satellite and fucking NASA can't do better when they are only 25 kilometers above the surface of the moon with NO ATMOSPHERE to get in the way?!

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    4. Re:WTF Over!!!! by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      GeoEye gets paid millions and millions of dollars for high-resolution imagery of the Earth's surface, which it takes using an incredibly expensive satellite built for that purpose. NASA gets paid a pittance to generate a complete visual and geological survey of the moon's surface, using a remarkably cheap satellite built for that purpose.

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    5. Re:WTF Over!!!! by c0d3g33k · · Score: 1

      Yeah but,

      1. It's science. Cheap, substandard equipment does not make for good science. Sucks to be NASA, I guess.

      2. As FlyingGuy pointed out: NO ATMOSPHERE to get in the way, so the conditions are optimal for clarity.

  41. These are Clearly Fakes by okmijnuhb · · Score: 1

    These are clearly fakes. Bart Sibrel, please alert Buzz Aldrin. Again.

    1. Re:These are Clearly Fakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally shopped.

  42. Foot trails? Bah! by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    When they can find that golf ball, then you can color me impressed.

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  43. You misunderestimate them by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    They'll pull something clever out of their asses to keep from going down. Maybe they'll power up the lunar module's computer to handle the extra load, or they'll insert a pen into their router's fuse holder.

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  44. Moonzoo by king_grumpy · · Score: 1

    Wonder if anyone has found these sites in moonzoo?

  45. I feel worse knowing that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I feel worse knowing that you would rather ask about some unstudied fiscally responsible person to comment on being forced to spend their's and other's money on someone else's side project of visitting The Moon(sm) rather than perpetuating cultures with farming equipment so the Humanitarian Aid doesn't become a strain on the cultures forced to donate.

    There are so many better things to have done with that kind of money back in those days, and remember back then was when $10 was equivalent of $100 in today's purchasing power.

    Were you visitting a retirement home to talk to these nay-sayers as they are getting drugged to remove the pain of illnesses that could've been remedied already if they had full attention that NASSA stole? Remember that Ronald Reagon followed the spending-sprees of The Moon(tm) by so-called "bankrupting" Russia through competitive investments and fore-most allowing the export of XEROX Corporation to China where was the primary nails in the coffin of trade imbalance and US Debt that is bearing it's vile fruits of today.

    There is nothing of benefit from landing on the The Moon(sm) because it only spread YOUR problems onto another PLANET. Why? Why? That was the swivel of the Debt Door and it's locked you and others in, and you want to argue with some old 50+ individuals about whether you landed on The Moon(sm) was remotely beneficial if not to invent zero-gravity ink pens?

    FUCK. YOU.

  46. Marring the surface by haaz · · Score: 1

    I should say, we marred the surface. It was perfect and untouched, in my mind, prior to that. Sure, I'd seem the tracks behind the rovers in the films. But that wasn't seeing them from above. So why does it bother me now? I'm grateful for every probe we've sent out, whether it's left tracks on the Moon, on Mars, or even Venus. Though we probably wouldn't see it so much on Venus now.

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  47. Or may be ... by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

    NASA simply upgraded its Photoshop version.

  48. A Baseball Game is better than Baseball Cards. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am kind of like you in this regard. I never watched a Baseball Game in real-life or on TV, and like Pokemon Cards I collected Baseball Cards just because everyone else did and if I didn't then I would be looked upon as boring and stupid. The same happened with Pog milk-caps.

    What I noticed is the moon landing Mission Control footage is just like Baseball Cards: some players are posing with a Bat but they aren't at the game. Others are photographs in Practice batting at a pitching machine. To me, that's what NASA is unable to prove: they are losing the debate because they are showing posers practicing in low Earth orbit, not at the actual game on the moon, but they still sell expensive photographs that we didn't get at random in cheap foil packages: we were forced to pay as though we are collectors.

    I never was brainwashed enough to stand in lines for 10 hours to get an Autograph. Ted Williams wrote books on the Art of Batting, and so does NASA. I never benefitted from either of them, but NASA forced me and others to pay.

    In an economy that was bankrupted by this kind of frivolous spending, where actual charities are floundering to export food instead of farm equipment to 3rd-world countries while the price of food domestically soars, NASA supposedly went to the moon at an era where if done today our $100 bill is needed where NASA used $10 of equivalent buying power. I even have certified receipts for how much I payed for a pack of random Baseball pack cards to get a so-called "rare" and "collectable" pricey Player posing not at a game but doing something non-Baseball like standing somewhere out in a green pasture. My receipts for those prized cards are measured in the Cent ranges under a dollar, yet NASA receipts show hundreds of millions of dollars going to PRIVATE COMPANIES that didn't even contribute any ledgible research or product to assist in "landing" on the moon.

    NASA is failing this debate hard, because even if they did go to the moon it's just the simple fact that they did it with so-much fraud that they can't show the actual moon landing pictures because something else was going on. Call it aliens, call it whatever you want: they possibly went to the moon, but they can't show it. Maybe it's because the original photographs has too much to air-brush out due to someone else already landing there, but I don't speculate because there are actual Mission Control conversations scripts one of which is 3 pages or so of the astronaughts admiring structres and supposed aircraft.

    Whether the moon landing happened on TV or on the moon: I was forced to pay for it, and nobody benefitted from it in terms of recurring trips or whatnot.

  49. Fast food trails?!!! by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

    Sorry, I gotta get some glasses. But that's how I first read the summary, I couldn't figure out how Neil Armstrong smuggled McDonalds fries in to the lunar capsule and then managed to eat them while strolling on the moon.

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  50. Moon shots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did they see any zombie foot prints?

  51. Oh Goodie! by bratwiz · · Score: 0

    Oh Goodie! Lunar archeology from 68,000 feet. We get to look at some footprints and smudges from nearly 50 years ago, back when the U.S. still had balls and wasn't afraid to use 'em.

  52. we would not all have laughed you out of the room by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

    Not everyone in the 1970s would have laughed at the notion that it would take a long time from the first explorers to a permanent base. Some of us remembered that it took 50 years from the first explorers reaching the south pole to the establishment of the permanent base there.

    I still believe it is possible that there will be a base on the moon by 2019, but I am not so sure that Americans will participate in it.

  53. satellite imagery, independent observers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like what happens at the voting booth, does the winner count his own votes?

    Do you rely on the accuracy on the political summary of a candidate that was pre-typed by the Registrar?

    To who's satisfaction are we to be assured that money is well spent?

    I hear there was a recent Research Study by Researchers, that concluded more money to Research Projects would yield more effective Results.

  54. Re:How sad is this WASP monopolized Moon landings! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Moon denial is a very minority position, like 9/11 truther

    Only WASP (white anglo-saxon protestant) men believe the Moon Landings, because only wasp and jews claimed to have been on the Moon. Negros, redskins, hispanics, asians and female-kind, all of them significant parts of the USA population even in the 1960s-1970s, have been excluded from spaceflight on racial and gender discrimination basis. WASP and jews have no moral ground to expect the coloureds and ladies shall believe in the factuality of manned moon landings by NASA.

    In fact, the most important aim of any future manned Moon or Mars landing should be to make sure that all human races, colours and genders get to participate on-site!

  55. Amazing! by cnxsoft · · Score: 1

    The astronauts paths are still there after 42 years... But it's kind of normal as there is no atmosphere.

  56. How did the astronauts come back? by ddiinnxx · · Score: 1

    I read a lot about the lunar landing but not much about how they cam back. What was the launching vehicle like? Rockets leaving earth look huge. Ones leaving moon may probably be 6 times smaller. That's still big. Landing vehicle has that much fuel? Must have been risky landing in such fuel laden craft.

  57. Moon landing sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can somebody explain why should I believe the moon landing story and this photo that anybody could make in photoshop? Because NASA and your mama said so?
    You are just a bunch of pathetic people who believe anything they are told.
    I am sorry but a healthy dose of skepticism is needed here - and in both crowds, the believers and the deniers.
    It is sad to see people who just know - is it just me who says: I don't know - ?

  58. Fake!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all know it was made in a Hollywood basement. (Sorry, couldn't resist...)

  59. This is great! by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

    We used to be able to go TO the moon. Now we can just take pictures of our old footprints there.

    I can't tell is NASA is actually proud of this new capability or if this is a sarcastic stunt to get more funding.