The reason I note that is because if it hits, the predicted time is 2:56 am PST Jan 30.
Note the PST please. Now, that translates to 5:56 am EST, and its going to be well on its way to brightening up for the day here in WV. I had visions of setting up my elderly DS-10 with my Sony TRV-460 hanging on an eyepiece adapter with a 37mm thread and a 25mm eyepiece in the adapter so I could record the event if I can collect enough light to actually do a movie at ntsc frame speeds. That will also put it (I'm making a SWAG here folks) well down in the western sky for me, and thence out of sight, either behind a goodly sized hill to the west or buried in the trees on this hill.
However, I do not know how to calculate this out and confirm it, and I would appreciate it if someone more conversant in orbital stuff could tell me if I have a chance, or would I waste a good nights sleep & probably catch a cold trying?
Thanks.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) "Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing; a confusion of the real with the ideal never goes unpunished." -- Goethe
There is also a well manned irc channel, on freenode, #emc. I've had problems due to my lack of knowledge, or actual gotcha type bugs, fixed in 5 minutes. Or less. These guys are sharp coders, who also make a living with whats inside all that swarf on the floor or catch trays. Follow some of the links in the wiki to see the machines themselves which these guys use, which range from table toppers like mine to locomotive sized stuff. Some of which is serious production line stuff. From metal shavings, to foam cutters (wing forms etc), Electronic Discharge Machining (which I've also done with my little machine), any sort of material carving or forming, emc can do it.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble.
However your inference that LTS is of limited utility misses the point. 6.06 was chosen as the host platform for emc, precisely because by using 6.06, the emc developers were guaranteed a stable platform and could then concentrate on improving emc, and boy howdy have they ever. It is, I believe, the fastest moving development I've ever seen for an OS product in the field of computer numerical control software. It has gone from a somewhat twitchy & difficult to tune 3 axis milling machine driver to a stable 6 axis platform (9 is being discussed) capable of operating either a mill or a lathe. It can now bore a hole, then swap bits and thread both the bolt to fit that hole, and the hole itself on the milling machines table, I've done the threaded hole operation myself. Or to do the ornate carving in 3D of a beds headboard on a production line basis in a major high quality furniture makers factory.
When the next LTS comes out, emc will have to chose which of the realtime additions to the next kernel will be used, and adapt emc to live with it, and once done they can get back to the real project, that of making emc the accepted king of such applications. It is not far from that status now as commercial controllers are being ripped out, and emc put in their place to control machining centers as the older machines are being rebuilt, both due to wear in the machine, and bit rot in the controlling software which is no longer supported.
So the LTS versions do have a place in this world, very much so.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0.
Bloody likely IMO. It wouldn't take more than a small, say 7.5 shot sized rock ejected by the impact to severely damage those satellites, The satellite itself is traveling in excess if 11 or 12k mph, (I don't know the exact velocity required to just orbit mars at say 75miles altitude) so even a bb that was just rising and figuring on falling again with relatively little orbital velocity, and some of it will have more than sufficient velocity to match mars escape velocity, will on impact with the satellite, do genuinely serious damage to it. I think its rather unlikely that it would de-orbit the satellite unless a several pound hunk of rock hit it at the right vector velocity, but we're left with the prospect of having to track the carcass (or its pieces) and plan around it on further missions until such time as it does suffer from orbital decay and eventually impact mars, a much longer period of time than our own LEO stuff due to the difference in atmospheric drag at their flight altitudes. Centuries perhaps.
That rock is purported to be 160 feet across. That, if its as solid as normal earth rocks, which I seriously doubt, still should have a few hundred tons of mass. With an incoming velocity somewhat above mars escape velocity (that is the absolute minimum impact speed BTW), they haven't said how much yet, still represents the biggest explosion we've seen in this solar system since Shoemaker-Levy at Jupiter. That of course was impacting a gas giant, this will be impacting the more or less solid rock crust of mars. If it hits, it should be quite a long distance fireworks shot, bigger than any of our Nukes by quite a bit. Much more spectacular than Shoemaker-Levy, and right figuratively speaking, in our own back yard. Weather permitting, my Mead DS-10 will be tracking mars that night, feeding my sony digital movie camera at its prime focus.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Two wrongs are only the beginning.
-- Kohn
Lack of specific instrumentation that is really suitable for observing this scientifically, if it does take place, and they will be just as blinded by the ensuing dirt in the atmosphere as our telescopes, plus the rather high probability they will be destroyed by the debris cloud ejected by the impact.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Except for 75% of the women, everyone in the whole world wants to have sex. - Ellyn Mustard
I find that a bit hard to believe, since Hubble has taken a few pix of the moon, even finding what purports to be our abandoned lander from one of the Apollo missions. But it did seem to me that pix should have been clearer if it was in good focus. As for blinded by the brightness of mars, the moon didn't seem to and its surface albedo exceeds that of mars considerably. Not to mention the incident brightness of the sun on the moon is several times that of mars in watts per square meter.
I'm not saying it would be optimum for the task, far from it, but its spectrographic abilities could tell us more about subsurface mars than all the little tinkertoy diggers we've sent in the past 40 years. Some of that I'll remind all, doesn't work inside our atmosphere, so if Hubble doesn't do it, it won't likely get done on a broadband basis at all.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Publishing a volume of verse is like dropping a rose petal down the Grand Canyon and waiting for the echo.
I'll bet they are. Because we have this nice dense atmosphere to sustain our breathing, we tend to forget that mars has only 2 or 3% of the surface air pressure to heat and absorb energy from an incoming rock like we have. The damage will be from a direct surface hit at the rocks full speed and should be visible if it hits on our side of mars, and it will no doubt toss up a few megatons of ejecta, which due to the speed of the wind, will take a while to settle. That does have the possibility of finishing off the rovers. There is a slim chance some of the ejecta may even make it to earth and be found on the antarctic snow eventually, giving us a few more samples of our neighbor to study.
If it hits where we can see it, it should be quite a show and I hope they have a good number of our telescopes, even Hubble, recording like crazy.
I guess we'll find out January 30th. But if its on the far side, we may have to do before and after photo comparisons to find the crater once the dust has settled, and that won't be near as informative as a near side hit would be.
Humm, recently the chinese were accused of doctoring a moon photo. Makes me wonder if the moved crater might in fact be a new one?
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) 10) there is no 10, but it sounded like a nice number:)
-- Wichert Akkerman
Think of all the schools you could have built instead.
With all due respect, this will be the most important school ever built to date when it is up and running, it has many times the potential in terms of a Hubble comparison. I tip my hat to Gordon Moore, and might even have an intel cpu in the next computer I build.
Schools teach a pretty fixed view of things and move forward at agonizingly slow speeds in their curriculum choices. Building more schools is an admirable effort, but this has the potential for rapidly changing what those schools teach forever, something that's pretty badly needed IMNSHO. The knowledge gained from this instrument will, like the Hubble's output before it, trickle down to the neighborhood classrooms, by word of mouth if by no other means, in spite of the foot dragging the ID proponents will exhibit.
My impression of Gordon Moore, the man, was just recalibrated upward quite a ways.
I'm hopeful that the images from first light will be so impressive to Mr. Moore that he will then do like Mr. Keck did on seeing the first light from his first 5 meter on Mona Kea, and he will sit down and write a check for a 2nd one like Mr. Keck did. What a sight it would be, to see the first light of the first stars as they started up, and do it in stereo vision. I hope I live that long because this is gonna take a few years to build.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from a mountain top.
And mp3 licensing fees are significantly lower than you claim, and they are levied against codecs, software, streams, etc., not against songs.
Some friends of mine had a music download server setup for a couple of years, with non-RIAA music from local musicians, about 30GB of them. When we queried Fahnhoffer about using the mp3 format, it was $25,000 per song, payable to the encoder vendor. Seeing as how this was all 'amature(sp) night' work although quite a bit of it was pretty well done, we squawked and got it down to $2,500/song. That obviously was not an amenable amount, so it all got put up in ogg format. They would not entertain a "per song downloaded" royalty which we might have been able to tolerate. And they wanted that per song encoded fee regardless of whose encoder we actually used.
Xiph, in case you aren't aware, is the ogg developer. If they have any "IP" in either ogg or theora that they would like license fees from others who use it, and would then come back on the user for damages, then they are no better than Fahnhoffer.
However, you do bring up a valid point, and since its been 2 or 3 years since I visited their site, I'll do that to make sure nothing has changed.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from a mountain top.
Sure, the common wisdom is that Ogg isn't patent-encumbered, but are you sure of that?
I think we can be quite sure of that. Several years ago as ogg was being beta tested, Fahnhoffer made a lot of noise rattling their legal swords. The ogg folks sent them the source so they could see for themselves if anything patented was being used, and told them to put up or shut up. Fahnhoffer shut up. I think that says it all.
What I fail to understand is that since ogg is the audibly superior method, and its free, whyinhell are the record companies even thinking of using mp3 with its 5 and 6 digit per song licensing fees? The total lack of anything resembling good business sense in the RIAA/MPAA world boggles the mind.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If your OS needs a virus detector... RUN!!!...Out and buy Linux!
With all due respect, who pissed in your Cheerios?
I think all of those comments could have been said about the Hubble, and probably were 20 years ago, but look at what that instrument has taught us. Its output is a scientific treasure we'll still be analyzing for 30 years after it splashes down in the pacific.
I still get upset everytime some bells and whistles project that won't save mankind from blowing hisself to hell gets the funding and support to make it happen, and tools for basic research that cannot be done within our atmosphere or gravity well get parked in a warehouse. Tools that just might show us a way to achieve ftl travel, or a working antigravity engine that could lift 100 megatons into a geosynch orbit for $50 worth of some common element,
We don't know what it could teach us, but one thing is certain, if it doesn't fly, we'll never know.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If your OS needs a virus detector... RUN!!!...Out and buy Linux!
Really, when the CFO's of the record companies actually analyze the data, the results of the RIAA's alienating actions can be seen and felt all the way to the production room floor.
And a good CFO takes whatever action he deems is likely to put up the help wanted signs.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) If your OS needs a virus detector... RUN!!!...Out and buy Linux!
This is bull shit and should be spread on a cornfield someplace. As this is something that the public DOES have a right to know, I smell a lawsuit, maybe even class action, but certainly for damages large enough to send a message to worthless demi-gods such as this if it results in even a single PI accident.
Maybe its time for another Richard Davis bill? That would send the loudest message I believe. In case there are younger readers here, the Richard Davis bill (it had a number but after 30 some years you expect me to remember that? Dontbesilly dear children) was the congressional response, passed both houses by 98%+ yea vote, removing the 4.7 Million dollars the project was estimated to cost from the BATF budget, enjoining them from moving any other monies they may have laying about into the project, and removing the salary (with similar enjoinders about finding other funds to pay him with) of the little demi-god (Richard Davis) who came up with the project in the first place. Nothing gets you fired quite as positively and finally as an act of Congress.
His offense? He was gonna register all our guns... He went public with the plan while congress was on the campaign trail, BIG mistake, and when they reassembled, the country was literally on fire over it politically, hell I had two personal meetings with my Senator at the time, Pete Dominici, over it myself. First order of business, took about 10 days to get all the i's dotted & t's crossed.
Yeah, we need another Richard Davis bill.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) When in doubt, do it. It's much easier to apologize than to get permission.
-- Grace Murray Hopper
Not only that, it isn't to be used by those same taxpayers who paid for it.
This is bull droppings folks, and I hope they get the message that they cannot call it open source when it is not. In court if need be, in fact I'm in favor of it being tested in court because it would draw a much clearer line in the sand for all these wannabe open source leeches.
As it is, that licenses name is an oxymoron and its claim that its open source is nothing but some mid-level managers marketing wet dream.
if that's the case....I think I can find old code that I wrote back in the mid-90's that I did that...
How in 104ee+99 kinds of hell can this patent stand? I was doing that in the late 70's, on an 1802 board called the Cosmac Super Elf, and 6 months later on a pair of z80 boards called the micro-professor. And in both cases I was doing it without an assembler! I was poor, so I looked the hex code up in the manual and entered it with the same hex editor I was using for the debugging, by inserting a breakpoint that took it back to the monitor and captured the machine state for a leasurely inspection. How the hell else did one debug machine code in those days?
Hell and damnation, I'll bet Grace Hopper even used this technique. And I'd bet that same 6-pack she learned it from somebody that had been doing it for 5 years then...
I can't fscking believe this, its only one step more complex than the (in)famous xor patent for moving the curser.
Will someone Please deliver us from the insanity that is our patent system?
You have it wrong my friend. Less guns just means that the one who does have one is more powerful than the disarmed general populace.
Generally speaking, a society that has them everyplace is going to be far more democratic than one where only the ruler has one, and it doesn't make an anorexic rats ass difference whether that ruler started out as a saint, or a thug. The existence of a ruling class with guns to enforce their rule, will in time convert that saint to a thug simply because even the saint will want to impose his saintly ways on the masses. Not to mention he gets used to the ruling privileges and will use that weapon to maintain that privileges perceived benefit, like eating a little higher on the hog, being driven around in $200k vehicles etc etc.
I'm reminded of the phrase about 2 wolves and a sheep discussing lunch. Its only democratic if the sheep is better armed than the wolves.
The armed society is also a more polite society. Carrying, as the phrase is used, means I'm more polite to you simply because being impolite might cause me to discover I'm not the only one carrying. That's a far more governing factor in ones actions than the possibility of my walking into a situation at the local 7/11 that requires it come out in an attempt to salvage the lives of those being threatened.
Putting that into the perspective, had I been one of those students at VT, you can bet the farm that my undercover would have spoken at least 4 times in defense of my fellow students. Its not a matter of what I might do being right or wrong, and I might still have been killed because I was underarmed, but at least I would have had the tool to argue the point.
But I am not a student at VT, and its about 50 years too late to be one and have any expectation of it being a profitable endeavor to me, so the point as to what I might have done is moot. IMNSHO, school enforced rules that prevent any effective means of self-defense in such a situation only serve to contribute to the carnage and the enforcers of such rules should be both prosecuted and removed from positions of power before they do any more damage.
So while my deepest sympathies are with the families of the victims, my outrage is with the gun control advocates whose effects on society in general made that situation possible in the first place. We should prosecute these jerks as accessories every single time an incident like this occurs, because its their efforts to disarm the general populace that make it possible for scenes like this to develop on the scale that it has in the last 40 years.
-- No Cheers today, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
After they got rid of capital punishment, they had to hang twice
as many people as before.
I see by the article that several chinese ISP's were asked to take down phishing sites, but refused.
To me that's the time to apply the internt death penalty, where the root dns servers refuse to give out the addresses of the offending domains.
We did it to korea a couple of times, with temporarily mixed results, but IMO the takedown (I think it was only 3 days) wasn't of sufficient duration to really get their attention.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Message from Our Sponsor on ttyTV at 13:58...
Also Mercury does not have any atmosphere. So, it's not a valid comparison.
I believe I have also read that mercury is like our moon, in that one side of it faces the sun forever. I could be wrong, but would not that make the dark side of it, when its nearest to us, be pretty darned cold? OTOH, our instruments today can probably do a decent job of measuring the sunward sides temperature too. In that event, the sunward side would have to be hotter even than venus, potenially hot enough to have liquid lakes of the various eutectic metals. If they didn't sink, which I expect they have over the eons, until they freeze out in the cooler inner mass. One ponders how far one would have to dig to mine that possibly very rich source of metals.
Food for thought exercises anyway.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Message from Our Sponsor on ttyTV at 13:58...
That was the big problem with getting people to install solar. The initial cost was too much. We'll still have to pay for the breaker box upgrade so we can feed power back to the electric company, but at least it won't take 20 years to pay off the solar collectors now.
I know a wee bit about dyes, probably just enough to be dangerous, and one thing these people are apparently forgetting, is that so far, no one has invented an organic based dye that doesn't fade, so in this case, what will be the annual recoating costs in order to maintain the efficiency at an acceptable level?
Sorry to rain on all the parade plans, but I suspect the short lifetime might be a put off.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Zoe: "Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."
--Episode #2, "The Train Job"
For that, I'd pay money to be a fly on the wall. I can almost hear her telling them exactly which side of the bread the butter & jelly is on and that if they drop it they WILL eat it... In fact, in light of todays news, I wouldn't have put it past Tony Blair to have given them a private ultimatum. That's another office I'd like to bug, just because the real facts may not ever be otherwise known.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) An engineer is someone who does list processing in FORTRAN.
Immaterial. But I don't think she would shove it down our throats so obviously. I rather liked the name the indians chiefs gave her, Walking Eagle.
From my standpoint, not a significant improvement - especially given that she's as much a war hawk on Iran as Bush is, because she owes AIPAC and its rich Jewish supporters a ton of money for her campaign. General Clarke is right about that.
Amen. I don't feel that she would be, at the end of the day, a miracle worker by any means.
Besides, all the evidence is that Bush will attack Iran this year. The consequences of that will reverberate FAR beyond the 2008 election, no matter who wins - unless whoever wins unilaterally stops that war on January 20th - which is highly doubtful.
The Russians are saying he will attack Iran NEXT WEEK on Friday, April 6. I wouldn't assume they're wrong until we get past that date. And that will only mean we don't know the exact date.
The Iran British sailor thing is giving him the perfect excuse that the 48% of morons in this country (referenced in an earlier article posted here) will have no trouble believing.
It's on ALREADY - and nothing that happens in the 2008 election is going to solve the problems this will cause.
This is the beginning of the end of the "American Empire" - if Vietnam wasn't, or Iraq wasn't, Iran certainly will be. It will also be the beginning of the end of Israel - the second proximate cause of this.
Amazingly, I can't find a thing to argue with above. I'd like too, but the common sense of 72 years of observing the american scene prevails...
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense?
If it happens to be that way i urge you to eat your words. The internet has many years ago stopped beeing a US military project and has turned around beeing a world-wide communication network, much like the telephone. How would you feel if a remote country could just plug you out?
The whole idea of ICANN as I see it, is to assure that the net works, FOR EVERYONE. And yes, IMO ICANN has made some mistakes, but they pale in comparison to the mistakes that would be made if our government had access to the master keys, and could use the internet as just another weapon, for whatever purpose they might have in mind this week/month/year. That scenario scares me shitless.
The internet has been IMO, the greatest tool ever in terms of understanding our fellow humans. The near instant communications, not between governments who may have an agenda, but between people (who may in fact also have an agenda) has allowed those of us who are willing to learn, to learn what makes the other guy tick. Sadly, we seem to be all too infested with those who not only have an agenda, but are only willing to learn how to use it to their advantage and to hell with everybody else. These are the same individuals/groups/governments that refuse to learn from history, and are therefore doomed to repeat every mistake made over written history, just to see if they can make it work this time around. This is the same bunch who, when it blows up in their faces, always has a ready scapegoat, usually called the other guy...
Besides, we already have the "plug you out" in the form of the RBL, which has been used to unplug an errant domain or country, several times. The point is that this has for the most part, been applied sparingly, and only after repeated warnings to the offending region or country.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) The way of the world is to praise dead saints and prosecute live ones.
-- Nathaniel Howe
I hope you can understand that no-one else in the world shares even your minimal belief in the US government?
I fixed your spelling but that's minor. I'm a US citizen, but what in the world ever gave you the idea that we the US people actually believe those jerks inside the beltway? I don't trust any of them. I just hope we can survive as a country till Noon Jan 20, 2009. Regardless of who wins the not too well concealed game of musical chairs, we at least will be rid of one 'born again Christian' and can begin to try to heal the pain and suffering of the legacy he leaves behind. They all say 'Trust me' but they want the keys to the lockbox none-the-less. The modern day version of Jim & Tami Bakker, praise the lord, but send me the money.
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense?
Well now, to speed up their research, lets recommend that they advertise for people like me, who had this regenerative ability to regrow teeth from the gitgo, and do research on them to find out how they did it?
Does anyone know how to contact these people?
Taking advantage of that in humans would seem to show a way to shortcut all this animal experimentation. I could do this for about the first 40 years of my life. The growth didn't seem to be as hard as it could have been, but broken teeth were not a problem in my earlier years.
I once had the 2 front teeth of both upper and lower jaws removed by a wrench wielded by a jealous former husband of my first wife, and who looked a lot worse that that when I was done. A year later you couldn't tell they had ever been broken off at the gum line. Full height and worn sharp again in a year. Sweet...
The net result was that while I did get cavities, they were often migrated up the side of the tooth and worn off the top without ever having any dental intervention other than an occasional routine cleaning. A dentist doing research on this 50 years ago tells me that the percentage of people like me runs about 2 per 100k, so he was glad to see me because it gave him a chance to do xrays (gratis to me) that recorded this phenomenon. But just like a woman going from man to man, I went from job to job and we lost geographic track of each other. Now of course I'm getting the fillings touched up at yearly intervals, and have been for 30 years. But, it damned sure was nice while it lasted!
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense?
Not bad if one is a guitar afficionado. There are some nice licks. But it appears that jazz/balladier is about all they have, and my tastes run toward a different stream.
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The reason I note that is because if it hits, the predicted time is 2:56 am PST Jan 30.
Note the PST please. Now, that translates to 5:56 am EST, and its going to be well on its way to brightening up for the day here in WV. I had visions of setting up my elderly DS-10 with my Sony TRV-460 hanging on an eyepiece adapter with a 37mm thread and a 25mm eyepiece in the adapter so I could record the event if I can collect enough light to actually do a movie at ntsc frame speeds. That will also put it (I'm making a SWAG here folks) well down in the western sky for me, and thence out of sight, either behind a goodly sized hill to the west or buried in the trees on this hill.
However, I do not know how to calculate this out and confirm it, and I would appreciate it if someone more conversant in orbital stuff could tell me if I have a chance, or would I waste a good nights sleep & probably catch a cold trying?
Thanks.
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Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
"Love is an ideal thing, marriage a real thing; a confusion of the real with
the ideal never goes unpunished."
-- Goethe
Go to http://www.linuxcnc.org/ or to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/ and I believe you will be enlightened.
There is also a well manned irc channel, on freenode, #emc. I've had problems due to my lack of knowledge, or actual gotcha type bugs, fixed in 5 minutes. Or less. These guys are sharp coders, who also make a living with whats inside all that swarf on the floor or catch trays. Follow some of the links in the wiki to see the machines themselves which these guys use, which range from table toppers like mine to locomotive sized stuff. Some of which is serious production line stuff. From metal shavings, to foam cutters (wing forms etc), Electronic Discharge Machining (which I've also done with my little machine), any sort of material carving or forming, emc can do it.
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Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
You will be called upon to help a friend in trouble.
I agree this will be unfortunate for KDE.
However your inference that LTS is of limited utility misses the point. 6.06 was chosen as the host platform for emc, precisely because by using 6.06, the emc developers were guaranteed a stable platform and could then concentrate on improving emc, and boy howdy have they ever. It is, I believe, the fastest moving development I've ever seen for an OS product in the field of computer numerical control software. It has gone from a somewhat twitchy & difficult to tune 3 axis milling machine driver to a stable 6 axis platform (9 is being discussed) capable of operating either a mill or a lathe. It can now bore a hole, then swap bits and thread both the bolt to fit that hole, and the hole itself on the milling machines table, I've done the threaded hole operation myself. Or to do the ornate carving in 3D of a beds headboard on a production line basis in a major high quality furniture makers factory.
When the next LTS comes out, emc will have to chose which of the realtime additions to the next kernel will be used, and adapt emc to live with it, and once done they can get back to the real project, that of making emc the accepted king of such applications. It is not far from that status now as commercial controllers are being ripped out, and emc put in their place to control machining centers as the older machines are being rebuilt, both due to wear in the machine, and bit rot in the controlling software which is no longer supported.
So the LTS versions do have a place in this world, very much so.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
10.0 times 0.1 is hardly ever 1.0.
Bloody likely IMO. It wouldn't take more than a small, say 7.5 shot sized rock ejected by the impact to severely damage those satellites, The satellite itself is traveling in excess if 11 or 12k mph, (I don't know the exact velocity required to just orbit mars at say 75miles altitude) so even a bb that was just rising and figuring on falling again with relatively little orbital velocity, and some of it will have more than sufficient velocity to match mars escape velocity, will on impact with the satellite, do genuinely serious damage to it. I think its rather unlikely that it would de-orbit the satellite unless a several pound hunk of rock hit it at the right vector velocity, but we're left with the prospect of having to track the carcass (or its pieces) and plan around it on further missions until such time as it does suffer from orbital decay and eventually impact mars, a much longer period of time than our own LEO stuff due to the difference in atmospheric drag at their flight altitudes. Centuries perhaps.
That rock is purported to be 160 feet across. That, if its as solid as normal earth rocks, which I seriously doubt, still should have a few hundred tons of mass. With an incoming velocity somewhat above mars escape velocity (that is the absolute minimum impact speed BTW), they haven't said how much yet, still represents the biggest explosion we've seen in this solar system since Shoemaker-Levy at Jupiter. That of course was impacting a gas giant, this will be impacting the more or less solid rock crust of mars. If it hits, it should be quite a long distance fireworks shot, bigger than any of our Nukes by quite a bit. Much more spectacular than Shoemaker-Levy, and right figuratively speaking, in our own back yard. Weather permitting, my Mead DS-10 will be tracking mars that night, feeding my sony digital movie camera at its prime focus.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Two wrongs are only the beginning.
-- Kohn
Lack of specific instrumentation that is really suitable for observing this scientifically, if it does take place, and they will be just as blinded by the ensuing dirt in the atmosphere as our telescopes, plus the rather high probability they will be destroyed by the debris cloud ejected by the impact.
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Except for 75% of the women, everyone in the whole world wants to have sex.
- Ellyn Mustard
I find that a bit hard to believe, since Hubble has taken a few pix of the moon, even finding what purports to be our abandoned lander from one of the Apollo missions. But it did seem to me that pix should have been clearer if it was in good focus. As for blinded by the brightness of mars, the moon didn't seem to and its surface albedo exceeds that of mars considerably. Not to mention the incident brightness of the sun on the moon is several times that of mars in watts per square meter.
I'm not saying it would be optimum for the task, far from it, but its spectrographic abilities could tell us more about subsurface mars than all the little tinkertoy diggers we've sent in the past 40 years. Some of that I'll remind all, doesn't work inside our atmosphere, so if Hubble doesn't do it, it won't likely get done on a broadband basis at all.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Publishing a volume of verse is like dropping a rose petal down the
Grand Canyon and waiting for the echo.
I'll bet they are. Because we have this nice dense atmosphere to sustain our breathing, we tend to forget that mars has only 2 or 3% of the surface air pressure to heat and absorb energy from an incoming rock like we have. The damage will be from a direct surface hit at the rocks full speed and should be visible if it hits on our side of mars, and it will no doubt toss up a few megatons of ejecta, which due to the speed of the wind, will take a while to settle. That does have the possibility of finishing off the rovers. There is a slim chance some of the ejecta may even make it to earth and be found on the antarctic snow eventually, giving us a few more samples of our neighbor to study.
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If it hits where we can see it, it should be quite a show and I hope they have a good number of our telescopes, even Hubble, recording like crazy.
I guess we'll find out January 30th. But if its on the far side, we may have to do before and after photo comparisons to find the crater once the dust has settled, and that won't be near as informative as a near side hit would be.
Humm, recently the chinese were accused of doctoring a moon photo. Makes me wonder if the moved crater might in fact be a new one?
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
10) there is no 10, but it sounded like a nice number
-- Wichert Akkerman
Think of all the schools you could have built instead.
With all due respect, this will be the most important school ever built to date when it is up and running, it has many times the potential in terms of a Hubble comparison. I tip my hat to Gordon Moore, and might even have an intel cpu in the next computer I build.
Schools teach a pretty fixed view of things and move forward at agonizingly slow speeds in their curriculum choices. Building more schools is an admirable effort, but this has the potential for rapidly changing what those schools teach forever, something that's pretty badly needed IMNSHO. The knowledge gained from this instrument will, like the Hubble's output before it, trickle down to the neighborhood classrooms, by word of mouth if by no other means, in spite of the foot dragging the ID proponents will exhibit.
My impression of Gordon Moore, the man, was just recalibrated upward quite a ways.
I'm hopeful that the images from first light will be so impressive to Mr. Moore that he will then do like Mr. Keck did on seeing the first light from his first 5 meter on Mona Kea, and he will sit down and write a check for a 2nd one like Mr. Keck did. What a sight it would be, to see the first light of the first stars as they started up, and do it in stereo vision. I hope I live that long because this is gonna take a few years to build.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from a
mountain top.
And mp3 licensing fees are significantly lower than you claim, and they are levied against codecs, software, streams, etc., not against songs.
Some friends of mine had a music download server setup for a couple of years, with non-RIAA music from local musicians, about 30GB of them. When we queried Fahnhoffer about using the mp3 format, it was $25,000 per song, payable to the encoder vendor. Seeing as how this was all 'amature(sp) night' work although quite a bit of it was pretty well done, we squawked and got it down to $2,500/song. That obviously was not an amenable amount, so it all got put up in ogg format. They would not entertain a "per song downloaded" royalty which we might have been able to tolerate. And they wanted that per song encoded fee regardless of whose encoder we actually used.
Xiph, in case you aren't aware, is the ogg developer. If they have any "IP" in either ogg or theora that they would like license fees from others who use it, and would then come back on the user for damages, then they are no better than Fahnhoffer.
However, you do bring up a valid point, and since its been 2 or 3 years since I visited their site, I'll do that to make sure nothing has changed.
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A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from a
mountain top.
Sure, the common wisdom is that Ogg isn't patent-encumbered, but are you sure of that?
...Out and buy Linux!
I think we can be quite sure of that. Several years ago as ogg was being beta tested, Fahnhoffer made a lot of noise rattling their legal swords. The ogg folks sent them the source so they could see for themselves if anything patented was being used, and told them to put up or shut up. Fahnhoffer shut up. I think that says it all.
What I fail to understand is that since ogg is the audibly superior method, and its free, whyinhell are the record companies even thinking of using mp3 with its 5 and 6 digit per song licensing fees? The total lack of anything resembling good business sense in the RIAA/MPAA world boggles the mind.
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If your OS needs a virus detector... RUN!!!
-- Tim Wright
With all due respect, who pissed in your Cheerios?
...Out and buy Linux!
I think all of those comments could have been said about the Hubble, and probably were 20 years ago, but look at what that instrument has taught us. Its output is a scientific treasure we'll still be analyzing for 30 years after it splashes down in the pacific.
I still get upset everytime some bells and whistles project that won't save mankind from blowing hisself to hell gets the funding and support to make it happen, and tools for basic research that cannot be done within our atmosphere or gravity well get parked in a warehouse. Tools that just might show us a way to achieve ftl travel, or a working antigravity engine that could lift 100 megatons into a geosynch orbit for $50 worth of some common element,
We don't know what it could teach us, but one thing is certain, if it doesn't fly, we'll never know.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If your OS needs a virus detector... RUN!!!
-- Tim Wright
Really, when the CFO's of the record companies actually analyze the data, the results of the RIAA's alienating actions can be seen and felt all the way to the production room floor.
...Out and buy Linux!
And a good CFO takes whatever action he deems is likely to put up the help wanted signs.
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If your OS needs a virus detector... RUN!!!
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This is bull shit and should be spread on a cornfield someplace. As this is something that the public DOES have a right to know, I smell a lawsuit, maybe even class action, but certainly for damages large enough to send a message to worthless demi-gods such as this if it results in even a single PI accident.
Maybe its time for another Richard Davis bill? That would send the loudest message I believe. In case there are younger readers here, the Richard Davis bill (it had a number but after 30 some years you expect me to remember that? Dontbesilly dear children) was the congressional response, passed both houses by 98%+ yea vote, removing the 4.7 Million dollars the project was estimated to cost from the BATF budget, enjoining them from moving any other monies they may have laying about into the project, and removing the salary (with similar enjoinders about finding other funds to pay him with) of the little demi-god (Richard Davis) who came up with the project in the first place. Nothing gets you fired quite as positively and finally as an act of Congress.
His offense? He was gonna register all our guns... He went public with the plan while congress was on the campaign trail, BIG mistake, and when they reassembled, the country was literally on fire over it politically, hell I had two personal meetings with my Senator at the time, Pete Dominici, over it myself. First order of business, took about 10 days to get all the i's dotted & t's crossed.
Yeah, we need another Richard Davis bill.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
When in doubt, do it. It's much easier to apologize than to get permission.
-- Grace Murray Hopper
Not only that, it isn't to be used by those same taxpayers who paid for it.
This is bull droppings folks, and I hope they get the message that they cannot call it open source when it is not. In court if need be, in fact I'm in favor of it being tested in court because it would draw a much clearer line in the sand for all these wannabe open source leeches.
As it is, that licenses name is an oxymoron and its claim that its open source is nothing but some mid-level managers marketing wet dream.
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if that's the case....I think I can find old code that I wrote back in the mid-90's that I did that...
How in 104ee+99 kinds of hell can this patent stand? I was doing that in the late 70's, on an 1802 board called the Cosmac Super Elf, and 6 months later on a pair of z80 boards called the micro-professor. And in both cases I was doing it without an assembler! I was poor, so I looked the hex code up in the manual and entered it with the same hex editor I was using for the debugging, by inserting a breakpoint that took it back to the monitor and captured the machine state for a leasurely inspection. How the hell else did one debug machine code in those days?
Hell and damnation, I'll bet Grace Hopper even used this technique. And I'd bet that same 6-pack she learned it from somebody that had been doing it for 5 years then...
I can't fscking believe this, its only one step more complex than the (in)famous xor patent for moving the curser.
Will someone Please deliver us from the insanity that is our patent system?
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You have it wrong my friend. Less guns just means that the one who does have one is more powerful than the disarmed general populace.
Generally speaking, a society that has them everyplace is going to be far more democratic than one where only the ruler has one, and it doesn't make an anorexic rats ass difference whether that ruler started out as a saint, or a thug. The existence of a ruling class with guns to enforce their rule, will in time convert that saint to a thug simply because even the saint will want to impose his saintly ways on the masses. Not to mention he gets used to the ruling privileges and will use that weapon to maintain that privileges perceived benefit, like eating a little higher on the hog, being driven around in $200k vehicles etc etc.
I'm reminded of the phrase about 2 wolves and a sheep discussing lunch. Its only democratic if the sheep is better armed than the wolves.
The armed society is also a more polite society. Carrying, as the phrase is used, means I'm more polite to you simply because being impolite might cause me to discover I'm not the only one carrying. That's a far more governing factor in ones actions than the possibility of my walking into a situation at the local 7/11 that requires it come out in an attempt to salvage the lives of those being threatened.
Putting that into the perspective, had I been one of those students at VT, you can bet the farm that my undercover would have spoken at least 4 times in defense of my fellow students. Its not a matter of what I might do being right or wrong, and I might still have been killed because I was underarmed, but at least I would have had the tool to argue the point.
But I am not a student at VT, and its about 50 years too late to be one and have any expectation of it being a profitable endeavor to me, so the point as to what I might have done is moot. IMNSHO, school enforced rules that prevent any effective means of self-defense in such a situation only serve to contribute to the carnage and the enforcers of such rules should be both prosecuted and removed from positions of power before they do any more damage.
So while my deepest sympathies are with the families of the victims, my outrage is with the gun control advocates whose effects on society in general made that situation possible in the first place. We should prosecute these jerks as accessories every single time an incident like this occurs, because its their efforts to disarm the general populace that make it possible for scenes like this to develop on the scale that it has in the last 40 years.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
After they got rid of capital punishment, they had to hang twice
as many people as before.
I see by the article that several chinese ISP's were asked to take down phishing sites, but refused.
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To me that's the time to apply the internt death penalty, where the root dns servers refuse to give out the addresses of the offending domains.
We did it to korea a couple of times, with temporarily mixed results, but IMO the takedown (I think it was only 3 days) wasn't of sufficient duration to really get their attention.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Also Mercury does not have any atmosphere. So, it's not a valid comparison.
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I believe I have also read that mercury is like our moon, in that one side of it faces the sun forever. I could be wrong, but would not that make the dark side of it, when its nearest to us, be pretty darned cold? OTOH, our instruments today can probably do a decent job of measuring the sunward sides temperature too. In that event, the sunward side would have to be hotter even than venus, potenially hot enough to have liquid lakes of the various eutectic metals. If they didn't sink, which I expect they have over the eons, until they freeze out in the cooler inner mass. One ponders how far one would have to dig to mine that possibly very rich source of metals.
Food for thought exercises anyway.
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That was the big problem with getting people to install solar. The initial cost was too much. We'll still have to pay for the breaker box upgrade so we can feed power back to the electric company, but at least it won't take 20 years to pay off the solar collectors now.
I know a wee bit about dyes, probably just enough to be dangerous, and one thing these people are apparently forgetting, is that so far, no one has invented an organic based dye that doesn't fade, so in this case, what will be the annual recoating costs in order to maintain the efficiency at an acceptable level?
Sorry to rain on all the parade plans, but I suspect the short lifetime might be a put off.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Zoe: "Sir, I think you have a problem with your brain being missing."
--Episode #2, "The Train Job"
For that, I'd pay money to be a fly on the wall. I can almost hear her telling them exactly which side of the bread the butter & jelly is on and that if they drop it they WILL eat it... In fact, in light of todays news, I wouldn't have put it past Tony Blair to have given them a private ultimatum. That's another office I'd like to bug, just because the real facts may not ever be otherwise known.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
An engineer is someone who does list processing in FORTRAN.
Hillary is a Methodist, I believe.
Immaterial. But I don't think she would shove it down our throats so obviously. I rather liked the name the indians chiefs gave her, Walking Eagle.
From my standpoint, not a significant improvement - especially given that she's as much a war hawk on Iran as Bush is, because she owes AIPAC and its rich Jewish supporters a ton of money for her campaign. General Clarke is right about that.
Amen. I don't feel that she would be, at the end of the day, a miracle worker by any means.
Besides, all the evidence is that Bush will attack Iran this year. The consequences of that will reverberate FAR beyond the 2008 election, no matter who wins - unless whoever wins unilaterally stops that war on January 20th - which is highly doubtful.
The Russians are saying he will attack Iran NEXT WEEK on Friday, April 6. I wouldn't assume they're wrong until we get past that date. And that will only mean we don't know the exact date.
The Iran British sailor thing is giving him the perfect excuse that the 48% of morons in this country (referenced in an earlier article posted here) will have no trouble believing.
It's on ALREADY - and nothing that happens in the 2008 election is going to solve the problems this will cause.
This is the beginning of the end of the "American Empire" - if Vietnam wasn't, or Iraq wasn't, Iran certainly will be. It will also be the beginning of the end of Israel - the second proximate cause of this.
Amazingly, I can't find a thing to argue with above. I'd like too, but the common sense of 72 years of observing the american scene prevails...
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"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense?
If it happens to be that way i urge you to eat your words. The internet has many years ago stopped beeing a US military project and has turned around beeing a world-wide communication network, much like the telephone. How would you feel if a remote country could just plug you out?
The whole idea of ICANN as I see it, is to assure that the net works, FOR EVERYONE. And yes, IMO ICANN has made some mistakes, but they pale in comparison to the mistakes that would be made if our government had access to the master keys, and could use the internet as just another weapon, for whatever purpose they might have in mind this week/month/year. That scenario scares me shitless.
The internet has been IMO, the greatest tool ever in terms of understanding our fellow humans. The near instant communications, not between governments who may have an agenda, but between people (who may in fact also have an agenda) has allowed those of us who are willing to learn, to learn what makes the other guy tick. Sadly, we seem to be all too infested with those who not only have an agenda, but are only willing to learn how to use it to their advantage and to hell with everybody else. These are the same individuals/groups/governments that refuse to learn from history, and are therefore doomed to repeat every mistake made over written history, just to see if they can make it work this time around. This is the same bunch who, when it blows up in their faces, always has a ready scapegoat, usually called the other guy...
Besides, we already have the "plug you out" in the form of the RBL, which has been used to unplug an errant domain or country, several times. The point is that this has for the most part, been applied sparingly, and only after repeated warnings to the offending region or country.
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soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
The way of the world is to praise dead saints and prosecute live ones.
-- Nathaniel Howe
I hope you can understand that no-one else in the world shares even your minimal belief in the US government?
I fixed your spelling but that's minor. I'm a US citizen, but what in the world ever gave you the idea that we the US people actually believe those jerks inside the beltway? I don't trust any of them. I just hope we can survive as a country till Noon Jan 20, 2009. Regardless of who wins the not too well concealed game of musical chairs, we at least will be rid of one 'born again Christian' and can begin to try to heal the pain and suffering of the legacy he leaves behind. They all say 'Trust me' but they want the keys to the lockbox none-the-less. The modern day version of Jim & Tami Bakker, praise the lord, but send me the money.
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-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense?
Well now, to speed up their research, lets recommend that they advertise for people like me, who had this regenerative ability to regrow teeth from the gitgo, and do research on them to find out how they did it?
Does anyone know how to contact these people?
Taking advantage of that in humans would seem to show a way to shortcut all this animal experimentation. I could do this for about the first 40 years of my life. The growth didn't seem to be as hard as it could have been, but broken teeth were not a problem in my earlier years.
I once had the 2 front teeth of both upper and lower jaws removed by a wrench wielded by a jealous former husband of my first wife, and who looked a lot worse that that when I was done. A year later you couldn't tell they had ever been broken off at the gum line. Full height and worn sharp again in a year. Sweet...
The net result was that while I did get cavities, they were often migrated up the side of the tooth and worn off the top without ever having any dental intervention other than an occasional routine cleaning. A dentist doing research on this 50 years ago tells me that the percentage of people like me runs about 2 per 100k, so he was glad to see me because it gave him a chance to do xrays (gratis to me) that recorded this phenomenon. But just like a woman going from man to man, I went from job to job and we lost geographic track of each other. Now of course I'm getting the fillings touched up at yearly intervals, and have been for 30 years. But, it damned sure was nice while it lasted!
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Cheers, Gene
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Q: How do you keep a moron in suspense?
Not bad if one is a guitar afficionado. There are some nice licks. But it appears that jazz/balladier is about all they have, and my tastes run toward a different stream.
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