Last I heard, the constitution (or more specifically, the preamble of the bill of rights) says "Promote the general welfare". That statement just means that the government is empowered to enact legislation for the common good of the public. It does not necessarily mean "pamper the populace and guarantee them a place in society, even if they are screwups or choose not to work"
The problem is that we've currently got the reverse situation- the government is being used by the corporations to DEMOTE the general welfare and destroy our ability to actually have jobs, earn money, and be rewarded for our hard work. As long as corporations are allowed to exist, they will work for CORPORATE WELFARE- by destroying the ability of individuals to compete.
I remember hearing about this originally nearly 10 years ago now. I remember bringing it up in a discussion on Usenet, engendering many "It will never happen" trolls...still seems a few years off though from consumer product?
http://www.zazona.com/- one of the better clearinghouses for the fight against abuse of the H-1b visa. If you're not aware of what's been going on for the past decade or so with this visa, and how the DOL has supported the corporations over just about any protest, this is a good place to start.
For the Everest Computer fight- http://www.ortech.org/ is the homepage of Mitch Besser's High-Tech Union in Oregon, a subsidiary of Communication Workers of America. They're the only ones I know of who have actually won a fight to see the original LCAs of a single company, and have found fraud in the LCAs themselves (the other dirty tricks in this thread are NOT fraud per say- they're loopholes in the law on how to prove that no American is available for the job or how much an H-1b is paid. Everest Consulting was going WAY beyond this- on pay they were doing things like using the figures from one job market to lower wages in another job market, and they were checking the box that they were NOT H-1b dependant when more than 99% of their staff was H-1b. This is NOT the same as Intel using entry-level wages, or HP claiming it's not H-1b dependant because janitors and factory workers are also staff and are largely American Citizens, those are legal loopholes).
I hate to say it, but due to this, most of the methods slashdot is likely to come up with, won't work.
Having said that, here's my idea: 1. Create a "blue dots" grid page with an inkjet printer- print out several hundred of these. 2. At the top of each page- connect the dots with BLACK ink to form a date-time stamp. Write your notes in block printing in black, something that an OCR will recognize, using the blue dots as a guide. 3. Ship your notes to some low-paid college co-op at the home office for scanning into some common format. 4. In that common format, have one of your programmers do a "remove blue dots" algorithim", saving out the new graphic. 5. Run your graphics through a cheap OCR to turn them into text files- and write a quicky little script to move those text files by court-time-date code into sorted folders.
So, there's no difference in cost overruns? See, in a government agency, they just ask for more money.
I've worked in both situations- and I've got to say I saw FAR more cost overruns in private industry where it was actually PROFITABLE to overrun costs. You see, as an employee of the State Government, you're personally going to get screwed no matter what you do. Where in Private Industry:
Too much mismanagement in a private sector company and they go out of business.
Yep- and all of the C-level executives take their huge bonuses for a job well done and go off to ruin another company. It's called "Creative Destruction", and it's a part and parcel of the MultiNational Corporation Conspiracy to destroy America. Fewer Private Sector companies means larger profits for the companies that remain.
I don't agree at all. I was an H1B holder before I received a green card. I also have seen a slew of H1B's hired. Before you hire, you have to post the position and show that there are no "American" candidates (of course you can keep it as quiet as possible). Furthermore you have to show that the wages are of the same level as wages paid to Americans.
There are lots of ways around those requirements. And 95% wages of the BOTTOM of the wage scale, not what was paid to the American you were replacing, is the standard for "show that wages are of the same level as wages paid to Americans". Intel, for example, on every single one of their Labor Condition Applications, lists (.95*EntryLevel)+1 for their wage to be paid to that H-1b holder. It's predictable enough that Mitch Besser, of http://www.ortech.org/ has an excel spreadsheet showing that to the penny.
On the other hand you are shackled to your employer.
And thus not free, correct?
What "foreigners" are not used to is the cutthroat environment they end up in and usually they have to learn how to defend themselves. But that is another issue.
The cutthroat environment wouldn't exist if corporations had to play by the same rules hiring overseas as here.
Resent all you want, but if you want a job, you've got to offer a service that 1) somebody's willing to pay for, and 2) they're willing to pay *you* to do. If you didn't get a burger-flipping job in 80 attempts, then you clearly aren't what they're looking for in the burger business.
Hahahahahaha! DOL has recieved complaint letters on Cisco, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, CA, HP, and Tektronix that I know of- and in EVERY case the company was allowed to continue hiring H-1bs. The DOL just doesn't care. I only know of ONE that was disallowed- Everest Consulting- and they were going far beyond these practices (to actually filling out the forms completely fraudulently).
Resent all you want, but if you want a job, you've got to offer a service that 1) somebody's willing to pay for, and 2) they're willing to pay *you* to do. If you didn't get a burger-flipping job in 80 attempts, then you clearly aren't what they're looking for in the burger business.
Yep- and I finally figured it out- they don't want people with college degrees or houses in the burger business, because those people might just figure out that the whole damn thing is a scam with 80% markup.
The problem is- if you want that high standard of living, it follows that you WILL be pricing your citizens out of the market, REGARDLESS of how poor they are willing to be. There's a floor due to the standard of living and it's damn high. When I was unemployed, I figured that by turning off the utilities, and spending money only on food, I could get my COL down to $1250/month on $1600/month of unemployment insurance- but that was the absolute rock bottom I could get to. Compare that to the third world, where many people live on under $365/year- and you see the problem.
That's why Ricardo and Smith were idiots when they talked about comparitive advantage- food, shelter, and water in the United States costs more than 36x what they do in the third world- there is NOTHING that the United States has a real comparitive advantage in. Thus if we are to maintain our artificially high standard of living, we will NEED to become isolationist.
Actually, the Jowadaino tribe descended from only ONE of the brothers and his family. You see- they took their families fishing with them. Kwakiutal culture (from which several thousand tribes in the Northwest are descended) were not as sex-segregated as we are; entire families took part in fishing, hunting, and gathering activities.
Read Thomas Jefferson sometime. And the Constitution that REQUIRES the government to fullfill the duty of providing for the comon welfare. Capitalism steals liberty and freedom in return for cheap goods at Wal*Mart.
Try getting a job on Oregon Transportation Investment Act III- you'll find it real easy to get jobs in computer programming, bridge repair, contractors working on bridge repair, and road maintenance.
So neither should school be? We should avoid opportunities at fairness because other people are dicks? You should follow up your last line with "Trust me, I checked into it."
I'm just going on my own experience. And school SHOULD mimic the real world as closely as possible- that's called job training, and it's what the school is supposed to be doing.
A modified form of it can be found in the books of Margaret Craven- she used the Jowadaino people and beliefs as a backdrop for her fiction. AFAIK, however, the full version of the story of the twins can only be heard, not read, from an Kwakiutal Elder or Medicine Man. I first heard it many years ago from Joseph Chemult, medicine man to the Klamit people of Edison Villiage in Southern Oregon. He must be dead by now- he was 86 when I knew him a decade ago.
GM is cool! We've been doing it for millenia (selective breeding). Apples for example. I read somewhere the "natural" (i.e. unmodified) apples come from Khazakstan and are like crab apples. A few thousand years of selective breeding and we have lovely crisp tart juicy "pink ladys". Of course, this whole "natural" phraseology bugs me - as if it is even possible for unatural things to exist. Everything in the universe is a natural result of some process. Some are obviously less desireable than others, but they are still natural.
Apples are a great example, thanks for picking it. After several thousand years of selective breeding, you've got a fruit that simply no longer reproduces naturally- the genetic structure of the apple is so incredibly unstable that the ONLY way to get an apple tree to produce the same fruit is to graft the variety you want onto the root stock of a crab apple tree. Bury an apple, and it's impossible to predict what you will get from the seeds- usually a variety of crab apple, though I've seen a banana apple tree come from a Gravenstien before. The same is true of bannanas, to the extent that only three varieties of bannanas surivive today, the natural stock which is going extinct is entirely unedible, and the yellow bannanas are now being plagued by a disease that causes more than half the fruit to rot on the tree thanks to the lack of genetic diversity. It's entirely possible that there won't be any edible bannanas left by 2050- so eat them now while you've got them.
Whenever mankind uses his intelligence to mess with nature, he usually screws up.
The USSR was neither Marxist nor Communist- it was a Lenin/Stalin con job. So by holding the USSR up as a Marxist model when it never actually achieved democracy (a MAJOR point of Marx's evolution of the state is that the revolution produces a democracy), you've failed to achieve you point.
Thomas Jefferson was for the following proto-communistic ideals: redistribution of wealth from the noble landed gentry to the unlanded poor; institution of a geometrically progressive income tax to eliminate wealth acquisition; a 100% estate property tax to prevent inheritance; no state support of corporations; a separation of corporation and state.
Hiring an enormous government workforce and placing a huge tax burden on society is NOT the answer. The more people the government hires the more it damages society.
The only difference between government hiring people and corporations hiring people is who the boss is. I define society as ALL the people- not just the rich.
Otherwise socialism would work great.
The only people socialism doesn't work for is the 25% who control 75% of the wealth- therefore you must be in that category.
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And you're STILL tied to the new employer- and in the mean time some American went many months without work so that you could get your green card.
Last I heard, the constitution (or more specifically, the preamble of the bill of rights) says "Promote the general welfare". That statement just means that the government is empowered to enact legislation for the common good of the public. It does not necessarily mean "pamper the populace and guarantee them a place in society, even if they are screwups or choose not to work"
The problem is that we've currently got the reverse situation- the government is being used by the corporations to DEMOTE the general welfare and destroy our ability to actually have jobs, earn money, and be rewarded for our hard work. As long as corporations are allowed to exist, they will work for CORPORATE WELFARE- by destroying the ability of individuals to compete.
I remember hearing about this originally nearly 10 years ago now. I remember bringing it up in a discussion on Usenet, engendering many "It will never happen" trolls...still seems a few years off though from consumer product?
http://www.zazona.com/- one of the better clearinghouses for the fight against abuse of the H-1b visa. If you're not aware of what's been going on for the past decade or so with this visa, and how the DOL has supported the corporations over just about any protest, this is a good place to start.
For the Everest Computer fight- http://www.ortech.org/ is the homepage of Mitch Besser's High-Tech Union in Oregon, a subsidiary of Communication Workers of America. They're the only ones I know of who have actually won a fight to see the original LCAs of a single company, and have found fraud in the LCAs themselves (the other dirty tricks in this thread are NOT fraud per say- they're loopholes in the law on how to prove that no American is available for the job or how much an H-1b is paid. Everest Consulting was going WAY beyond this- on pay they were doing things like using the figures from one job market to lower wages in another job market, and they were checking the box that they were NOT H-1b dependant when more than 99% of their staff was H-1b. This is NOT the same as Intel using entry-level wages, or HP claiming it's not H-1b dependant because janitors and factory workers are also staff and are largely American Citizens, those are legal loopholes).
I hate to say it, but due to this, most of the methods slashdot is likely to come up with, won't work.
Having said that, here's my idea:
1. Create a "blue dots" grid page with an inkjet printer- print out several hundred of these.
2. At the top of each page- connect the dots with BLACK ink to form a date-time stamp. Write your notes in block printing in black, something that an OCR will recognize, using the blue dots as a guide.
3. Ship your notes to some low-paid college co-op at the home office for scanning into some common format.
4. In that common format, have one of your programmers do a "remove blue dots" algorithim", saving out the new graphic.
5. Run your graphics through a cheap OCR to turn them into text files- and write a quicky little script to move those text files by court-time-date code into sorted folders.
Anything you can do yourself, can be automated.
So, there's no difference in cost overruns? See, in a government agency, they just ask for more money.
I've worked in both situations- and I've got to say I saw FAR more cost overruns in private industry where it was actually PROFITABLE to overrun costs. You see, as an employee of the State Government, you're personally going to get screwed no matter what you do. Where in Private Industry:
Too much mismanagement in a private sector company and they go out of business.
Yep- and all of the C-level executives take their huge bonuses for a job well done and go off to ruin another company. It's called "Creative Destruction", and it's a part and parcel of the MultiNational Corporation Conspiracy to destroy America. Fewer Private Sector companies means larger profits for the companies that remain.
Guess they should move to CUBA as INDIA has been sold to the multinational corporations.
Or for that matter free as in speech- just try praying aloud at a high school football game sometime.
I don't agree at all. I was an H1B holder before I received a green card. I also have seen a slew of H1B's hired. Before you hire, you have to post the position and show that there are no "American" candidates (of course you can keep it as quiet as possible). Furthermore you have to show that the wages are of the same level as wages paid to Americans.
There are lots of ways around those requirements. And 95% wages of the BOTTOM of the wage scale, not what was paid to the American you were replacing, is the standard for "show that wages are of the same level as wages paid to Americans". Intel, for example, on every single one of their Labor Condition Applications, lists (.95*EntryLevel)+1 for their wage to be paid to that H-1b holder. It's predictable enough that Mitch Besser, of http://www.ortech.org/ has an excel spreadsheet showing that to the penny.
On the other hand you are shackled to your employer.
And thus not free, correct?
What "foreigners" are not used to is the cutthroat environment they end up in and usually they have to learn how to defend themselves. But that is another issue.
The cutthroat environment wouldn't exist if corporations had to play by the same rules hiring overseas as here.
Resent all you want, but if you want a job, you've got to offer a service that 1) somebody's willing to pay for, and 2) they're willing to pay *you* to do. If you didn't get a burger-flipping job in 80 attempts, then you clearly aren't what they're looking for in the burger business.
Hahahahahaha! DOL has recieved complaint letters on Cisco, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, Sun, CA, HP, and Tektronix that I know of- and in EVERY case the company was allowed to continue hiring H-1bs. The DOL just doesn't care. I only know of ONE that was disallowed- Everest Consulting- and they were going far beyond these practices (to actually filling out the forms completely fraudulently).
Resent all you want, but if you want a job, you've got to offer a service that 1) somebody's willing to pay for, and 2) they're willing to pay *you* to do. If you didn't get a burger-flipping job in 80 attempts, then you clearly aren't what they're looking for in the burger business.
Yep- and I finally figured it out- they don't want people with college degrees or houses in the burger business, because those people might just figure out that the whole damn thing is a scam with 80% markup.
The problem is- if you want that high standard of living, it follows that you WILL be pricing your citizens out of the market, REGARDLESS of how poor they are willing to be. There's a floor due to the standard of living and it's damn high. When I was unemployed, I figured that by turning off the utilities, and spending money only on food, I could get my COL down to $1250/month on $1600/month of unemployment insurance- but that was the absolute rock bottom I could get to. Compare that to the third world, where many people live on under $365/year- and you see the problem.
That's why Ricardo and Smith were idiots when they talked about comparitive advantage- food, shelter, and water in the United States costs more than 36x what they do in the third world- there is NOTHING that the United States has a real comparitive advantage in. Thus if we are to maintain our artificially high standard of living, we will NEED to become isolationist.
At which point, you had to keep working for them to pay them back, correct?
And as long as those asteroids come from Saturn's rings, you'll kill two birds with one stone and end up with water there too.
That's just a prohibition on FEDERAL funding. There are tons of other funding sources out there.
Actually, the Jowadaino tribe descended from only ONE of the brothers and his family. You see- they took their families fishing with them. Kwakiutal culture (from which several thousand tribes in the Northwest are descended) were not as sex-segregated as we are; entire families took part in fishing, hunting, and gathering activities.
Read Thomas Jefferson sometime. And the Constitution that REQUIRES the government to fullfill the duty of providing for the comon welfare. Capitalism steals liberty and freedom in return for cheap goods at Wal*Mart.
Hmm- I wonder which is correct. She's dead now- so I can't ask her. Maybe hidden in the family tree records someplace...
Try getting a job on Oregon Transportation Investment Act III- you'll find it real easy to get jobs in computer programming, bridge repair, contractors working on bridge repair, and road maintenance.
You're forgetting OTIA III- bridge repair.
So neither should school be? We should avoid opportunities at fairness because other people are dicks? You should follow up your last line with "Trust me, I checked into it."
I'm just going on my own experience. And school SHOULD mimic the real world as closely as possible- that's called job training, and it's what the school is supposed to be doing.
A modified form of it can be found in the books of Margaret Craven- she used the Jowadaino people and beliefs as a backdrop for her fiction. AFAIK, however, the full version of the story of the twins can only be heard, not read, from an Kwakiutal Elder or Medicine Man. I first heard it many years ago from Joseph Chemult, medicine man to the Klamit people of Edison Villiage in Southern Oregon. He must be dead by now- he was 86 when I knew him a decade ago.
GM is cool! We've been doing it for millenia (selective breeding). Apples for example. I read somewhere the "natural" (i.e. unmodified) apples come from Khazakstan and are like crab apples. A few thousand years of selective breeding and we have lovely crisp tart juicy "pink ladys". Of course, this whole "natural" phraseology bugs me - as if it is even possible for unatural things to exist. Everything in the universe is a natural result of some process. Some are obviously less desireable than others, but they are still natural.
Apples are a great example, thanks for picking it. After several thousand years of selective breeding, you've got a fruit that simply no longer reproduces naturally- the genetic structure of the apple is so incredibly unstable that the ONLY way to get an apple tree to produce the same fruit is to graft the variety you want onto the root stock of a crab apple tree. Bury an apple, and it's impossible to predict what you will get from the seeds- usually a variety of crab apple, though I've seen a banana apple tree come from a Gravenstien before. The same is true of bannanas, to the extent that only three varieties of bannanas surivive today, the natural stock which is going extinct is entirely unedible, and the yellow bannanas are now being plagued by a disease that causes more than half the fruit to rot on the tree thanks to the lack of genetic diversity. It's entirely possible that there won't be any edible bannanas left by 2050- so eat them now while you've got them.
Whenever mankind uses his intelligence to mess with nature, he usually screws up.
The USSR was neither Marxist nor Communist- it was a Lenin/Stalin con job. So by holding the USSR up as a Marxist model when it never actually achieved democracy (a MAJOR point of Marx's evolution of the state is that the revolution produces a democracy), you've failed to achieve you point.
Thomas Jefferson was for the following proto-communistic ideals: redistribution of wealth from the noble landed gentry to the unlanded poor; institution of a geometrically progressive income tax to eliminate wealth acquisition; a 100% estate property tax to prevent inheritance; no state support of corporations; a separation of corporation and state.
Hiring an enormous government workforce and placing a huge tax burden on society is NOT the answer. The more people the government hires the more it damages society.
The only difference between government hiring people and corporations hiring people is who the boss is. I define society as ALL the people- not just the rich.
Otherwise socialism would work great.
The only people socialism doesn't work for is the 25% who control 75% of the wealth- therefore you must be in that category.