Here's a third problem in Oregon- you can register to vote, and vote, without ever proving that you have the *right* to vote. If you've got two utility bills and are willing to lie about your citizenship on the form, the guy registering you to vote is forbidden from actually asking you about your citizenship. In addition, with vote by mail, you're likely never to be discovered at all.
Thus, while the law says citizenship is a requirement for voting in Oregon, only residency is actually required.
I would suspect that how easy it is to cover up depends on the mission profile. Certainly the death of an undercover operative in an al Qaida cell infiltration would go unnoticed by the family for a long time if nobody told them- they wouldn't be expecting to hear from the person. Where in comparison, a supply sargent in Bagdad who e-mails his family daily would be very hard to cover up.
I have to be careful here, or people will mistake me for a Dubya supporter. But you do realize that more people die in car accidents per month, than have died in Iraq, total? This isn't 500 caskets a week like Vietnam. Or is it that people just can't find any more words, any more concepts, and they have to use 30 year old outdated cliches?
How do we know that it isn't 500 caskets a week? Caskets returning from Iraq come back in secret, news organizations that even try to film them coming back get hauled into court for violating national security- the only numbers we have are the numbers the government wants us to have.
Money. And in fact, I rather doubt either Goli or David were really racist either- money speaks louder than racism ever does. (Note: some pretty big industries *also* benefited from the cheap labor movement).
Wu voted for the H-1b extension, which disporportionately increased the number of Chinese and Indian non-imigrant visa holders.
Ameri voted for the Immigration Status Gag Order, which prevents state, county, and city workers in Oregon from inquiring as to citizenship status at all- in 2002, after the 9-11 attack, preventing Oregon Law Enforcement from working with The Department of Homeland Security, which worked in favor for her mosque.
Quite possibly- I wrote the sig back when Kerry had a 16 vote lead in the polls, before the polls started writing their results to whoever pays the most money.
To me- to be an immigrant is to become homeless, cut off from your roots and family. It's less true now- but at least two branches of the European side of my family tree can't be traced beyond landing in this country at all.
This will always be a hole for me- and it's three generations back. How can we expect *any* immigrant to this land to understand enough to be in power over us? And from the actions of Wu (and to a lesser extent Ameri- she was in state government before this race) neither of these people get the idea of America being just like any other country and needing to protect it's intellectual property and borders.
Can we spread DVDs recorded off the stream around? Anything these two have to say is bound to be much more open and interesting than what the oligopolists have to say.
Yes, the Church condemns destroying embryos for stem cells. No, Kerry is anything other than a devout Catholic- he's about as devout as Kennedy was.
Not that Bush is any better- I'm not sure if he's a Baptist, a Presbyterian, or a Methodist (I've heard all three), but none of them actually condemn stem cell research as a blanket statement, which leads me to suspect he's only doing it to once again get votes from people who have no business voting Republican. Kind of like his abortion stance.
Of Parasites taken over by Parasites- and searching for a business plan *after* creating the business and selling stock. Amazing that they were allowed to survive at all.
As you flat-out say in one of your later posts, you have a small amount of European blood in you. So why can't someone who's entirely Native go and call you a dirty forgeiner?
They have- and I have to admit, they were RIGHT! It took until I lost my job to an H-1b before I was worried about it- but that only proves that I'm human and don't worry about things until they affect me personally.
Ameri's been in this country for about 35 years, Wu about 45 - what's the difference between them and the local people you say that these jobs should be reserved for? In my books, living in a country for 35 or 45 years makes you count as a local.
And yet both are for continuing to import guest workers in the Silicon Forest- despite the fact that we're running into a serious depopulation problem because nobody can find any jobs here.
From you post it makes it sounds like you'd like some sort of caste system, where "foreigners" (a term you don't really define) are second class citizens - unless they've been here as long as you, in which case they get to criticize new foreigners. Which, by my reading, kinda goes against the American Dream. Ohm and what about Arhhhhhhnod - does he still count as "contracting out" the governorship of California?
Absolutely- but Californicators have always been strange beings, and if I was Governor I would have closed the southern border of Oregon long ago.
As for who to vote for (taking aside their races), I would vote for Wu. He's a nice guy, a former small businessman, and has more experience than Ameri.
It really doesn't matter which one wins- the multinational corporations are paying for both campaigns, and both campaigns support the cheap labor movement.
WHat does this have to do with being "geek friendly"? Nothing at all.
You may not have realized this because it hasn't touched you personally- but for the past 4 years, the high tech job market has been a depression, and at the rate things are going, it's not likely one we're going to pull out of EVER.
Is there something wrong with people who have come to our country from somewhere else and found enough love for the place to go through the process and take the oath to become a citizen?
There is when they want to be a representative of the population, but in action only serve a narrow industrial/ethnic community.
If the country and even the district is now their home, why should they not involve themselves in the government there. It is their home. Or do we lose all right to participate (which is more than the vast majority of peopl ein the district do I imagine, born there or not) in the community and the government?
I'd say those who have a family tie to the land and community ought to get first dibs on any such position- if for nothing else, because they KNOW the greater community, and thus are going to be less likely to be selective about their representation.
Should they just be dowtrodden outsiders, taking it as its given to them and liking it?
As long as what is given to them is no more than what is given to anybody else, why not? If they don't like it, they can go back where they came from.
Now I'll admit right now, I've got Native American blood in me, and despite my few European ancestors, I do feel that we'd have been better off in Oregon if white man had never come. The fact that large numbers of other tribes were directly killed to clear land for the settlers here is a part of that. I see NO difference whatsoever with Middle Eastern (Goli is from Iran) and Chinese (Wu) people being elected to local REPRESENTATIVE positions, illegal aliens from Mexico who refuse to even learn Standard American (we don't speak English in Oregon, we speak Standard American, a distinctly different dialect), or the white man who came to force their culture on us in the 1830s. They're all basically foreign invaders.
In my district we have the choice between Goli Ameri and David Wu. Neither were born in the COUNTRY, let alone the DISTRICT. In other words, we're outsourcing congress itself to people who are naturalized citizens, but are basically here to take jobs from natural born citizens.
Sound familiar? It does to me, after meeting several hundred high tech people who were "inshored". Nope, if you live in District 1 Oregon, you've got NOBODY who is geek friendly to vote for AT ALL.
I see this as an insult to America. They're basically saying our process of electing a president is a sham and that we're incapable of being democratic.
And I'd have a tendency to agree with them- Bush, Clinton, Bush, Kerry, if it goes that way, will be the longest string of corrupt Presidents we've ever had- so corrupt that it's impossible to elect anybody who didn't go to an Ivy League School and who isn't getting paid by the corporations to run. That's what makes our democracy an utter sham- Diebold machines and the President of Diebold saying that he'd do *anything* in his power to see that Ohio goes to Bush- which I would have to assume includes hacking into his own machines- is just another example of how screwed up the whole concept of mating democracy to capitalism really is.
There's another way we know that in the 80s and early 90s Iraq *did* have WMDs- Rumsfeld gave US-made WMDs to Iraq for the Iran-Iraq war!
But on your question:
In the case of fact-checking Dubya's case for war... how would you propose that the Congress do that. They have to rely on what they are told by the CIA and other intel agencies.
US intel agencies are not the only ones around, nor are government intel agencies the only ones around. There are plenty of other news sources available.
There simply isn't any good volcanic ash around Mt. St. Helens to see if the volcanic ash from that specific volcanic chain would be as good. From a geek standpoint, it would make a great experiment, but does require the volcano to blow up first.
EBay to the Rescue! I figured there'd be some there- everybody I knew collected a jar before the rain started.
I take that back- not all. I spent 6 years in Klamath Falls getting my degree- and in 1992 I was in every major earthquake in the State of Oregon, since I was back up at my parent's house during Spring Break.
I've lived within 200 miles of St. Hellens all of my life. I remember the 1980 explosion. It wasn't very amazing in Oregon- just about 6" of ash coming down from the sky. I think I still have a bottle of it stored at my parent's house. No big deal at all- if you were ouside of the 12 mile blast range anyway.
Where it is forbidden (by State Law!) for elections officials to ask about the *citizenship of the voters* beyond the standard form. Residency questions are OK, citizenship questions are not.
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Here's a third problem in Oregon- you can register to vote, and vote, without ever proving that you have the *right* to vote. If you've got two utility bills and are willing to lie about your citizenship on the form, the guy registering you to vote is forbidden from actually asking you about your citizenship. In addition, with vote by mail, you're likely never to be discovered at all.
Thus, while the law says citizenship is a requirement for voting in Oregon, only residency is actually required.
I would suspect that how easy it is to cover up depends on the mission profile. Certainly the death of an undercover operative in an al Qaida cell infiltration would go unnoticed by the family for a long time if nobody told them- they wouldn't be expecting to hear from the person. Where in comparison, a supply sargent in Bagdad who e-mails his family daily would be very hard to cover up.
I have to be careful here, or people will mistake me for a Dubya supporter. But you do realize that more people die in car accidents per month, than have died in Iraq, total? This isn't 500 caskets a week like Vietnam. Or is it that people just can't find any more words, any more concepts, and they have to use 30 year old outdated cliches?
How do we know that it isn't 500 caskets a week? Caskets returning from Iraq come back in secret, news organizations that even try to film them coming back get hauled into court for violating national security- the only numbers we have are the numbers the government wants us to have.
Too bad he's a dyed-in-the-wool Leno fan- no wonder he's voting for Bush.
Money. And in fact, I rather doubt either Goli or David were really racist either- money speaks louder than racism ever does. (Note: some pretty big industries *also* benefited from the cheap labor movement).
A pair of examples:
Wu voted for the H-1b extension, which disporportionately increased the number of Chinese and Indian non-imigrant visa holders.
Ameri voted for the Immigration Status Gag Order, which prevents state, county, and city workers in Oregon from inquiring as to citizenship status at all- in 2002, after the 9-11 attack, preventing Oregon Law Enforcement from working with The Department of Homeland Security, which worked in favor for her mosque.
If it's racism- it's on their side.
Quite possibly- I wrote the sig back when Kerry had a 16 vote lead in the polls, before the polls started writing their results to whoever pays the most money.
To me- to be an immigrant is to become homeless, cut off from your roots and family. It's less true now- but at least two branches of the European side of my family tree can't be traced beyond landing in this country at all.
This will always be a hole for me- and it's three generations back. How can we expect *any* immigrant to this land to understand enough to be in power over us? And from the actions of Wu (and to a lesser extent Ameri- she was in state government before this race) neither of these people get the idea of America being just like any other country and needing to protect it's intellectual property and borders.
Can we spread DVDs recorded off the stream around? Anything these two have to say is bound to be much more open and interesting than what the oligopolists have to say.
Yes, the Church condemns destroying embryos for stem cells. No, Kerry is anything other than a devout Catholic- he's about as devout as Kennedy was.
Not that Bush is any better- I'm not sure if he's a Baptist, a Presbyterian, or a Methodist (I've heard all three), but none of them actually condemn stem cell research as a blanket statement, which leads me to suspect he's only doing it to once again get votes from people who have no business voting Republican. Kind of like his abortion stance.
I take every weekend off- try just foe'ing me if you can't stand a look at things from a different angle.
Of Parasites taken over by Parasites- and searching for a business plan *after* creating the business and selling stock. Amazing that they were allowed to survive at all.
:-) Nice try, but I recognize a Nazi reference when I see one- I'm not going to argue with you on that.
As you flat-out say in one of your later posts, you have a small amount of European blood in you. So why can't someone who's entirely Native go and call you a dirty forgeiner?
They have- and I have to admit, they were RIGHT! It took until I lost my job to an H-1b before I was worried about it- but that only proves that I'm human and don't worry about things until they affect me personally.
Ameri's been in this country for about 35 years, Wu about 45 - what's the difference between them and the local people you say that these jobs should be reserved for? In my books, living in a country for 35 or 45 years makes you count as a local.
And yet both are for continuing to import guest workers in the Silicon Forest- despite the fact that we're running into a serious depopulation problem because nobody can find any jobs here.
From you post it makes it sounds like you'd like some sort of caste system, where "foreigners" (a term you don't really define) are second class citizens - unless they've been here as long as you, in which case they get to criticize new foreigners. Which, by my reading, kinda goes against the American Dream. Ohm and what about Arhhhhhhnod - does he still count as "contracting out" the governorship of California?
Absolutely- but Californicators have always been strange beings, and if I was Governor I would have closed the southern border of Oregon long ago.
As for who to vote for (taking aside their races), I would vote for Wu. He's a nice guy, a former small businessman, and has more experience than Ameri.
It really doesn't matter which one wins- the multinational corporations are paying for both campaigns, and both campaigns support the cheap labor movement.
WHat does this have to do with being "geek friendly"? Nothing at all.
You may not have realized this because it hasn't touched you personally- but for the past 4 years, the high tech job market has been a depression, and at the rate things are going, it's not likely one we're going to pull out of EVER.
Is there something wrong with people who have come to our country from somewhere else and found enough love for the place to go through the process and take the oath to become a citizen?
There is when they want to be a representative of the population, but in action only serve a narrow industrial/ethnic community.
If the country and even the district is now their home, why should they not involve themselves in the government there. It is their home. Or do we lose all right to participate (which is more than the vast majority of peopl ein the district do I imagine, born there or not) in the community and the government?
I'd say those who have a family tie to the land and community ought to get first dibs on any such position- if for nothing else, because they KNOW the greater community, and thus are going to be less likely to be selective about their representation.
Should they just be dowtrodden outsiders, taking it as its given to them and liking it?
As long as what is given to them is no more than what is given to anybody else, why not? If they don't like it, they can go back where they came from.
Now I'll admit right now, I've got Native American blood in me, and despite my few European ancestors, I do feel that we'd have been better off in Oregon if white man had never come. The fact that large numbers of other tribes were directly killed to clear land for the settlers here is a part of that. I see NO difference whatsoever with Middle Eastern (Goli is from Iran) and Chinese (Wu) people being elected to local REPRESENTATIVE positions, illegal aliens from Mexico who refuse to even learn Standard American (we don't speak English in Oregon, we speak Standard American, a distinctly different dialect), or the white man who came to force their culture on us in the 1830s. They're all basically foreign invaders.
In my district we have the choice between Goli Ameri and David Wu. Neither were born in the COUNTRY, let alone the DISTRICT. In other words, we're outsourcing congress itself to people who are naturalized citizens, but are basically here to take jobs from natural born citizens.
Sound familiar? It does to me, after meeting several hundred high tech people who were "inshored". Nope, if you live in District 1 Oregon, you've got NOBODY who is geek friendly to vote for AT ALL.
Given the actions of the current administration, that's a complete falsehood.
I see this as an insult to America. They're basically saying our process of electing a president is a sham and that we're incapable of being democratic.
And I'd have a tendency to agree with them- Bush, Clinton, Bush, Kerry, if it goes that way, will be the longest string of corrupt Presidents we've ever had- so corrupt that it's impossible to elect anybody who didn't go to an Ivy League School and who isn't getting paid by the corporations to run. That's what makes our democracy an utter sham- Diebold machines and the President of Diebold saying that he'd do *anything* in his power to see that Ohio goes to Bush- which I would have to assume includes hacking into his own machines- is just another example of how screwed up the whole concept of mating democracy to capitalism really is.
Mount Tabor isn't volcanic to begin with- and really it's only in the foothills to the Cascades. Hood is in the same chain as MSH though.
Oregon chooses not to- because we've got a blanket law in support of our nursery industry which depends on underpaid illegals for it's very existance.
My point was- Florida's not the only one with problems on who to allow to vote.
There's another way we know that in the 80s and early 90s Iraq *did* have WMDs- Rumsfeld gave US-made WMDs to Iraq for the Iran-Iraq war!
But on your question:
In the case of fact-checking Dubya's case for war... how would you propose that the Congress do that. They have to rely on what they are told by the CIA and other intel agencies.
US intel agencies are not the only ones around, nor are government intel agencies the only ones around. There are plenty of other news sources available.
There simply isn't any good volcanic ash around Mt. St. Helens to see if the volcanic ash from that specific volcanic chain would be as good. From a geek standpoint, it would make a great experiment, but does require the volcano to blow up first.
EBay to the Rescue! I figured there'd be some there- everybody I knew collected a jar before the rain started.
I take that back- not all. I spent 6 years in Klamath Falls getting my degree- and in 1992 I was in every major earthquake in the State of Oregon, since I was back up at my parent's house during Spring Break.
You're not... worried at all?
I've lived within 200 miles of St. Hellens all of my life. I remember the 1980 explosion. It wasn't very amazing in Oregon- just about 6" of ash coming down from the sky. I think I still have a bottle of it stored at my parent's house. No big deal at all- if you were ouside of the 12 mile blast range anyway.
Where it is forbidden (by State Law!) for elections officials to ask about the *citizenship of the voters* beyond the standard form. Residency questions are OK, citizenship questions are not.