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Carter says Florida Voting Still Not Fair
linuxwrangler writes "Ex president Jimmy Carter is claiming that Florida has still not created conditions for a fair election. The Carter Center has monitored over 50 elections worldwide for fairness and says that the absence of uniformity in voting procedures and the lack of a non-partisan election commission sets the stage for a repeat of the 2000 election. That election, overseen by Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (aka co-chair of the Bush-Cheney state campaign committee), was officially decided by a margin of 537 votes. According to Carter, Florida governor Jeb Bush (aka brother of George W. Bush) has done little to correct the problems found in the 2000 election. In addition, Harris' successor Glenda Hood, (aka an elector for George W. Bush in 2000) recently attempted to disqualify 22,000 African Americans (likely Democrats), but only 61 Hispanics (likely Republicans), as alleged felons."
How could we ever think there can be a fair election if Nader is on the ballot!
"The defense of freedom requires the advance of freedom" - George W Bush
Where it is forbidden (by State Law!) for elections officials to ask about the *citizenship of the voters* beyond the standard form. Residency questions are OK, citizenship questions are not.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
When do we see the "I hate the dems" part of slashdot?
Typical of slashdot editors. "Were in our world, as far left as we want to be." Slashdot bashs and bash, either microsoft, or sun, or republicians or whomever...Yet there never is a real solution in sight.
S/N ratio....
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This is coming from the man who never met a dictator he didn't like. :)
He just recently sanctioned the obviously fraudulent elections in Venezuela as fair and we're supposed to believe what he's saying about Flordia?
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the felons can't vote, cry me a river. maybe they should have thought of that before committing a felony?
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At least there he is wanted. I, for one, already voted (got my Absentee ballot Friday) and while Nader was on the ballot, he didn't get my vote.
The issue isn't whether Glenda Hood is going to fix the result but that someone so partisan is in that position in the first place.
If Iraq had had an election in which Tariq Aziz was in charge of the election and Saddam Hussein had been elected would anyone believe it had been a fair election? Same thing applies here, the process should be seen to impartial and it isn't.
What they do not say is that there isn't a place on those froms to mark hispanic. Most Hispanics would have been marked down as white...
But they don't tell you that. Hell, this is the same guy that said the elections in Ven. where 100% on the up and up.
Should the people who help run an election campaign also be in charge of vote counting or collection?
Isn't there some conflict of interest there?
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Posted on 08/25/2004 6:20:16 AM PDT by moonman
ABC News (radio) announced that over 46,000 New York City residents were registered to vote in both their home district and also in the state of Florida. The anouncement mentioned that two-thirds (2/3) are registered Democrats.
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NEW YORK, (UPI) -- Allegations first made by the New York Daily News that residents of New York state may have voted illegally in Florida elections has produced calls for a formal investigation by Florida officials.
A study of computer records in New York and Florida conducted by the Daily News found 46,000 New York residents illegally registered to vote in both states.
The paper's investigation also uncovered the fact that as few as 400 and as many as 1,000 of those illegally registered voted twice in at least one election.
In some cases, people were found to have violated the law by voting twice in as many as seven elections.
"We expect that people will follow the law," said Florida Department of State spokeswoman Alia Faraj. "If there is an indication that people haven't, then the appropriate agencies must look into this matter." -30-
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Who's guilty of stereotyping here?
Obviously, with numbers like that, there's a systematic bias. But the Democrats aren't the ones that are disqualifying those felons, it's the people that run the elections in Florida.
(Hint: It rhymes with "Schmepublicans.")
the devistation that four hurricanes have just brought down upon Florida. We've only got 5 weeks or so until the election, there will still be many thousands of people whose homes are not rebuilt, whose infrastructure is broken, who may not have power, etc. Even if the political problems in Florida disappeared, could they still have a fair and valid election in just over a month's time?
https://registration.miami.com/reg/login.do?url=ht tp%3A%2F%2Fwww.miami.com%2Fmld%2Fmiamiherald%2F912 6001.htm [miami.com]
The method of determining how convicted felons would be identified was laid out in a 2002 settlement agreement between the state and several civil rights groups. The method uses race as one of several factors to determine whether a felon has registered to vote. The others are first name, last name and date of birth. If one of those fails to match up, the name is not added to the list for potential purging.
But the database of felons supplied by FDLE does not list Hispanic as an ethnic group ''believe it or not,'' said Nicole DeLara, spokeswoman for the secretary of state. ``We have not been able to determine why this wasn't caught. The potential felon database is now retroactively void.''
How come this post is modded insightful?
The only claim is that Carter is being partisan?
That isn't insightful, that's ridiculous.
Attack his claims first, if you can convince me that he's not telling the truth or doesn't understand how democracies work - *then* I'll beleive you when you say he's partisan.
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Let's see, after his interesting call on the Venezuelan elections (it is legit, said Carter before all of the votes were even certified, and well before all of the interesting information about electronic voting machines programmed by a company owned by Chavez's brother were out in the open), he now wants to call the Florida elections before they happen?
Not a word about the estimated 15000-20000 voters in the FL panhandle (generally a Republican area) who didn't vote after the networks called the election for Gore before the polls closed in the panhandle.
Not a word about the 4.4% error rate (mostly overvotes) in Palm Beach County (controlled by Democrat election officials) vice the 0.4% statewide error rate. Or about the interesting fact that Bush got fewer votes in Palm Beach County than all four Republican congressional candidates combined.
No word about the tens of thousands of New Yorkers (generally Democrat-leaning) also registered in Florida.
Not a word about motor voter issues, or the illegality of even asking for an ID at the polling place in most states.
Not a word about electronic voting machines that don't produce a paper record. Not a word about problems with absentee ballot fraud. Not a word about the interesting character of elections in Chicago.
I think that there are problems with the integrity of votes in the US. But I only see the Democrats getting exercised about it when the issue might play against them. Then, they are vitriolic. But never when the problems help them.
There is room for a dispassionate look at the issue. This is just partisan grandstanding.
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Could you please rename this section to flamebait.slashdot.org?
Thanks.
I hope high gas prices are depriving your children, you fucking dumbass.
I vote we discontinue the Politics category on Slashdot. The end result of this new category has been a venue for flames and nothing else. There are other forums for discussion on these issues; why clutter up a site dedicated to science and technology?
How is this? See my other posts in this discussion for the URL.
But the database of felons supplied by FDLE does not list Hispanic as an ethnic group ''believe it or not,'' said Nicole DeLara, spokeswoman for the secretary of state. ``We have not been able to determine why this wasn't caught. The potential felon database is now retroactively void.''
Let's see, after his interesting call on the Venezuelan elections (it is legit, said Carter before all of the votes were even certified, and well before all of the interesting information about electronic voting machines programmed by a company owned by Chavez's brother were out in the open), he now wants to call the Florida elections before they happen?
If I were to focus on this paragraph, I'm sure I'd be modded "offtopic". Aw, what the heck:
I wouldn't be surprised if Chavez hired some monkeys to play with the votes. As I recall, though, Chavez was nearly ousted in a coup orchestrated by the oil companies not so long ago. The Bush administration was falling all over itself to recognize the coup plotters as the "new government"... only to be red-faced (if not red-handed) when Chavez returned to the scene.
I doubt we're aligned politically, but you seem to know a lot more about the situation than I do... care to expand on the Venezuelan vote, the attempted coup, and possibly how neither side seems be anywhere close to trustworthy?
Hmmm... that last bit sounds familiar. That's why I'm voting Green.
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
Did you read the linked article? Carter's statement is neither a lie, nor is it misleading. Perhaps you don't like the summary.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
From my point of view - Mrs. Harris followed the letter of the law. It was the State Supreme court that kept on making it up as it went along!
Yeah, well... are you partisan?
Obviously, Jimmy Carter is a Democrat. If being a Democrat entails being so partisan that his comments should be ignored... then you should ignore my comment too. And probably yours as well.
Otherwise, Carter has proven himself to be one of the most honorable and honest people to have ever entered public service. No, I don't think he was necesarily a great president. But he was certainly honest. His credibility is impeccable.
Right?
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
This is from the LA.
Four years ago, the top election official, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris, was also the co-chair of the Bush-Cheney state campaign committee. The same strong bias has become evident in her successor, Glenda Hood, who was a highly partisan elector for George W. Bush in 2000. Several thousand ballots of African Americans were thrown out on technicalities in 2000, and a fumbling attempt has been made recently to disqualify 22,000 African Americans (likely Democrats), but only 61 Hispanics (likely Republicans), as alleged felons.
Perhaps YOU should read the fucking article before you tell others they haven't.
You are obviously a biased democrat. I see that you are maligning Katherine Harris, among others.
Katherine Harris's determinations during the 2000 election were the correct interpretation of the law. She did nothing other than apply the law exactly as it was written, saying that a vote is a legal vote only if it occurs via the procedure established by the legislature, to which the US Constitution grants the plenary power for determining the process for selecting the states electors, which need not even be a public vote.
If you recall, her views were upheld by the lower court's democratic judges, and were only overturned by the Florida Supreme Court (whose decisions were vacated by SCOTUS and exposed as nonsensical). When the issue went to the US Supreme Court, three of the justices above were prepared to overrule SCOFL on this point and reinstate her original position, but the per curium opinion resolved the case on the equal protection issue without addressing whether her interpretation of the statute was correct. It's kind of unfortunate that SCOFL tried to completely take over the electoral process with their stupid standardless statewide manual recount, because otherwise, Harris could have been proven correct in her application of the law.
I believe that the Florida Supreme Court's ruling that Harris abused her discretion by following the law as written is one of the worst examples I have ever seen of judicial activism for partisan purposes. There was NO basis in law whatsoever for their actions and what SCOFL did was truly disgusting partisan legislating from the bench to try to steal an election.
Oh, and Bush wins even without Florida. Though I believe the electoral college futures market is the best predictor. They say Bush will win Florida. While Rassmussen has it as a tossup.
From the anything to get bush out of office department:
Yet another case of the slashdot editorial bias. It isn't the governors job to take care of these issues. It may make for more sensational headlines to link them in this way but it is a lie and for gods sake the state has just been hit by three hurricanes in a row. Not to mention the articles lack of anything but subjective factoids that do nothing but stir emotion when invoked out of context.
It is both regardless of your opinion. He makes a lot of false claims in the article one of which is used in the summary here. It is not Jeb Bush's job to oversee the elections it is the job of the secretary of state. At least view it for what it is a purely partisan move by a socialist who thinks ultimately the ignorant masses won't know the difference.
Right. And your "Carter Lies" post does not contradict that statement. When he says "fumbling attempt", my understanding would be that the attempt was not successful.
Perhaps YOU should read the fucking article before you tell others they haven't.
Fuck you.
When I said, "Did you read the linked article?" It was because I honestly couldn't tell. I was curious whether you got your take from the summary, or because we disagreed about what Carter had said.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
I can't believe this crap is modded Insightful.
Are you even vaguely aware of what Carter has done since he was president? That he's a widely-respected elections monitor? And that he recently won the Nobel Peace Prize for this? We're not talking about some partisan hack like James Carville, here.
And the thing about Katherine Harris (and the FL Supreme Court, too, btw), is that the law wasn't particularly clear or helpful. So human decisions had to be made. And those decisions never went against the partisan interests involved. Never. Call me cynical, but that looks dirty to me.
-Esme
The DB did not ID who was Hispanic. Since this info wasn't included in the DB anyone who says it was is lying. Or are you telling me that carter just made a 'mistake'?
How about stationing machine gun toting troops at polling places like they did in Venezuela ?
How about the curious number of ballot boxes that had the same number of anti-Chavez votes ?
Interestingly, Saddam Hussein has announced his intention to run for the Presidency of Iraq in the next election. Votes will be counted by the interim government. He's widely expected to win a plurality.
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Oh, then I think we disagree about what happened. My understanding was:
They took the list of felons and the list of reigstered voters. If someone was on both lists, they added them to the list for potential purging.
Matches were made by name and race (and other criterion as well). One source list did not give "hispanic" as an option for race, while the other one did (or vice versa).
There were hispanic people on both source lists, but due to the mismatch in listed race, only about 61 hispanic voters were actually added to the purge list.
Do I have that completely wrong? My interpretation fits both Carter's statement, and the quote that you provided. While I've read other articles on the issue, I didn't read the Miami Herald article that you linked.
Since this info wasn't included in the DB anyone who says it was is lying.
My understanding was that this figure was investigated outside of the DB, after the news became public.
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
If Iraq had had an election in which Tariq Aziz was in charge of the election and Saddam Hussein had been elected would anyone believe it had been a fair election? Same thing applies here, the process should be seen to impartial and it isn't.
Um, Iraq had SEVERAL elections in which Saddam was elected president. No one else in the world cared if it was legit or not.
LK
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That word, 'aka', does not mean what you think it means. aka is an abbreviation for "also known as". it is used for pseudonyms, aliases, nicknames, working names, legalized names, pen names, noms de plume, maiden names etc. In this case, Jeb Bush IS the brother of G.W. Bush, and so on. It's not a nick name or anything else.
thanks, and yes there are typos in this post!
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BTW, modding anything flamebait in the politics section is hilarious when it is the editors who are baiting people into flamewars.
Call me cynical... but why would I believe that the Nobel Peace Prize committee is non-partizan in the first place?
Hello? Yasser Arafat won it!
See this book on page 405 for the beginning of a description of the conflicts of interest and government corruption of Jeb Bush, governor of Florida: The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty.
For the corruption caused by the Bush family in general, see the many descriptions starting on page 397 and continuing throughout chapter 20 to page 428. "A glimpse into the business dealings of the Bush family shows that they acquired their wealth through the intermingling of public policy and private interests." This is Ms. Kelley's overly polite way of saying the Bush family sells the U.S. government to whoever will pay the most.
It's crazy to say the honest President Carter is partisan. It's really, really crazy to defend Jeb Bush.
I knew already, from reading about it for many years, that the Bush family was heavily involved with the Saudi Arabians most disliked by Osama bin Laden. Osama bin Laden says the Bush family's (now former) business associates are preventing needed changes in Saudi Arabia. I knew George W. Bush's father attended a meeting with a brother of Osama bin Laden on the day before 9/11. I don't accept Osama bin Laden's violence; I think his ideas for the future of Saudi Arabia are not sensible and not achievable. However, his ideas and the ideas of many Arabs that the U.S. government is supporting corruption in Saudi Arabia seem correct. This corruption has been encouraged by George W. Bush's father.
What I didn't remember was that Neil Bush was involved in business with Scott Hinckley, the brother of John Hinckley, Jr., who almost killed President Reagan. Had Reagan died, George H.W. Bush would have become president. Scott Hinckley had "given a lot of money to the Bush family". (See page 384.)
Also, I didn't realize that the Air National Guard began drug testing for cocaine on the same month that George W. Bush dropped out of the Guard. (Page 301.) Alcoholics use cocaine because it helps them drink more, I'm told by an alcoholic friend.
Aside the from the known corruption, there are literally hundreds of coincidences and associations like this where there was a Bush family involvement, and then something bad happened to the United States. For other short descriptions of the widespread corruption, see the reviews of 3 movies and 35 other books that say the same things as the book linked above.
Many Americans, like the person who posted the parent comment, have a hard time accepting that their government has become, in some ways, corrupt. There is so much corruption that one Slashdot comment cannot even begin to describe it.
Bush and Cheney are the most arrested U.S. president and vice-president in history. George W. Bush was arrested once for the crime of DUI and Dick Cheney twice:
George W. Bush DUI, 1st record of arrest
George W. Bush DUI, 2nd record of arrest
George W. Bush was arrested 2 other times in his life, also.
Dick Cheney DUI, record of 1st arrest
Dick Cheney DUI, record of 2nd arrest
The corruption is exactly what you would expect with dry drunks in charge. (It is more polite to call them "non-drinking alcholics".)
Other Bush family members have been arrested also. How does your family compare to the Bush family?
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In the parent comment, I forgot the link to reviews of the 3 movies and 35 other books that say the same things as the Kelley book linked above: Unprecedented Corruption: A guide to conflict of interest in the U.S. government.
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The endnote for the quote refers to "Human Rights Watch/The Sentencing Project, 'Losing the Vote', 1998." Part of which is available online But the partial online version does not identify the states; the third paragraph says
You've missed the 8 ballot boxes found floating in the San Francisco bay.
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I am not an American
It really amazes me (an Australian) how convoluted your election system is. I do not claim that our system is the best, but at least it is simple.
When I change addresses, I have to notify the Electoral Comission of my new address. Based on that, they tell me which electorate I can vote in for local, state and federal elections. All voting in Australia uses the same system. There are no varieties in the method.It is simple and proven. (Actually, they even sell their services to corporation that need to conduct internal voting, such as shareholder votes etc)
That is why there are extremely rare cases of voting irregularities here. From the outside, the American system is so confusing, irregular and disorganised that it actually is a pain just to keep track of what's going on. It is really amazing that in a federal election, voting is controlled on a county basis or even a state basis. But then again, like I said, I am not an American, so maybe, I'm missing something.
Many pundits expressed the opinion that votes for Ralph Nader resulted in Al Gore losing the election. To test this theory, we gave all of Nader's votes to Gore and all of Buchanan's votes to Bush ("two-way"). This resulted in Gore taking Florida and New Hampshire from Bush, giving Gore victory with a total of 296 electoral votes.
A few pundits expressed the opinion that Pat Buchanan harmed George W. Bush's election chances. To test this theory, we gave all of Buchanan's votes to Bush but let Nader keep his votes ("three-way"). This resulted in Bush taking Iowa, New Mexico, Oregon, and Wisconsin from Gore, giving Bush a total of 301 electoral votes.
from here
That's how elections work. It's in the Democrat's interests to muck-rake any Republican crimes, and it's in the Republican's interest to muck-rake any Democrat crimes.
I agree with you that there is a market for somebody who can synthesize all this into an overview of American election flaws. And I don't think Carter is that person. He has a lot of integrity, but he is a Democrat partisan.
(Two other Carter bits: in 1980 Carter himself made a concession speech before the polls closed on the west coast, depressing Democratic turnout. And while President, Carter re-instituted draft registration, which is back in the air again).
If Carter is so wonderful and non-partisan, why hasn't he spoken out about the abuses being perpetrated in Oregon? How about the dead Democrat voters in Chicago? Funny how this wonderful man only speaks out about alleged abuses that hurt democrats, not the ones that hurt republicans.
Some quick research: .000938% of the population and GET PEOPLE TO VOTE.
Florida population in 2000: 15,982,378
Percent of poulation under 18: 22.8% , or roughly 3,643,982
Number that voted for one of top three candidates: 5,922,531
Percent of Florida population over 18 in 2000 that voted: 48%
Seems to me like we need to worry less about 15,000, which is
I'm Christian, and I'm fairly conservitave, and I think Bush is a danger to the free world (assuming such a thing exists). So don't assume that the "right-wing Christians" support Bush.
This power grab thing has nothing to do with "right wing Christians", it's all about people who are in power, wanting to stay in power.
When religion and politics get together, it's not because a religious person uses politics to spread his or her views, it's because a political person uses religion to increase his or her power.
Repeat after me: It's all about power. Power. Power! POWER!! Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!!!
I hate it when I make a joke and I get modded "+5 insightful". Mod the stupid comments "funny", not "insightful", pleas
Carter might be honorable and honest, but when it comes to credibility, there's a little matter of judgement, which in my opinion he is grossly lacking. He may be honest, but his opinions are so colored by his political views that I don't find him credible at all.
You are in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike.
No matter how hard you try you can't solve stupidity. That people in the panhandle couldn't be bothered to get out of their Lay-Z-Boys and get to the polls isn't really Carter's concern. He's more concerned with issues like the disenfranchisement of thousands of black voters by the Republican controlled FL government and their quasi-legal and mistake ridden felon lists that kept honest Americans, mostly democrats, away from casting their valid votes in 2000.
"Vote Republican, it's easier than thinking." seems to be appropos for those 15-20K people in NW FL who could care less about their right to vote.
Republicans are bad news, and bad news travels. If you want "balance", get the Democrats to rig an election, lie us into invading a country, exempt rich people from paying taxes, and destroy 200 years of freedom. BTW, since we're talking about politics, save your "Kennedy/Vietnam" stuff for when it matters: finding precedents for Bush's disastrous policies.
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No matter how hard you try you can't solve stupidity.
Is that why we still hear about the disenfranchisement of the voters by butterfly ballots?
That's a distraction from the main issue:
Why can't convicted felons vote? If they are still citizens they should get to vote.
Maybe someone should ask Bush and Kerry what they think.
Why should alleged felons be disqualified? What next - people with p2p software on their computers not being allowed to vote?
I think the US should stop claiming superlatives for its brand of democracy.
I don't know why Carter isn't involved in other states (maybe he is.... I didn't find anything in a quick Googling, though). Maybe it's just that Florida was a big deal last time, and shows no signs of fixing any of its problems.
Florida is also a much larger concern in practical terms, since it's very close race for a large number of electoral votes. Kerry's ahead in Illinois by a large enough margin that any voting irregularities will probably not effect the outcome. Oregon only has about a quarter the electoral votes of Florida.
-Esme
You break the rules, you don't get to play. Not to go all Locke/Rousue Social Contract on you.
It is part of their sentence.
Now the _alleged_ felons thing is just messed up. Innocent until proven guilty.
Really the only reason people complain about the felons not voting is because felons typically vote Dem. It is just a way to get more votes at any cost.
What are you trying to say?
That Carter is being partisan?
This is actually a great example why monitoring is necessary... apparently the election HAS to be monitored, or things like this will get through.
I've read the rest of your posts and nothing there convinces me that it Carter isn't telling the truth.
RTFA he's only able to monitor a small number of election; any way you put it Florida has attracted the most headlines, which makes it the best state to monitor.. very simple.
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Several points of contention here.
1. The voting machines used in the Venezuelan elections is from a Florida company with no ties to Chavez. There was a local Democratic candidate for Elections Supervisor in the Primary here in Hillsborough (he lost) who is a) runs an anti-Chavez group and b) a systems engineer at Verizon. I talked with him at length about the company in question and their product. They have produced source code for the product and it has all the safeguards that people here regularly complain about Diebold and other machines lack. One of the campaign promises was to implement these same machines in our county. Please cite a source that shows some doubt cast on the legitimacy of the machines used in Venezuela, all of my first hand knowledge is that it was very fair.
2. The Palm Beach County error rate was due to the butterfly ballot. I refuse to sit here and argue about whether or not old people are stupid, numerous experts on both sides of the issue agreed that the ballot used for that election was very confusing and not at all user-friendly. The fact that it was approved by a Democratic Supervisor is really dumb though. Also you shouldn't bring up the Palm Beach error rates without mentioning the thousands of black votes in Gadsden County that were spoiled (1 in 8 counted, pop is 39.7% white). The same system and ballots were used in Leon County (where Tallahassee is) and had a spoilage rate of 1% while the population is 66% white. In 2002 Gadsden County had a new Election Supervisor, using the same system, and only 1 in 500 ballots were spoiled. The governor is now known as "Jeb Crow" in some circles down here.
3. It was the Bush/Cheney 00 campaign that sent down James Baker and a team of lawyers before the recounts were over, before Gore even mentioned involving the courts. The riotous group attempting to stop the recount were GOP operatives flown in.
4. Don't accuse Dems of trying to rig elections when you've got that gerrymandering mess in Texas. Redistricting 3 years after the last one is a pure political play to lock in power. Just because it wasn't illegal, doesn't make it ethical. Note that DeLay is under investigation and 3 of his cohorts have been indicted for violating Texas campaign finance laws. The money was directly tied to the redistricting effort. Not to mention the voter purges here in Florida. The willful disregard for accuracy (90.2% wrong)in those felony purge lists borders on criminal negligence.
5. The Republicans in Florida are the ones who pushed for the ID's at the polling places. They have also been against the motor-voter registrations.
6. Whatever your opinion of Carter's presidency, he is a far more honorable and noble man than the majority of the crowd on this site. He has dedicated his life to helping the less fortunate and spreading peace and democracy in this world. Bringing up issues involving other states when Carter was specifically referring to Florida and then claiming he is partisan because he didn't mention them is disingenuous. I'm sure that Carter could talk you blue about elections and fairness. I'm also sure that he would address every single one of your complaints fairly and honestly, given the chance. Carter simply brought up the issues he felt were most gregarious and resulted in the largest damage to our system, if you'd read the column more carefully, you would have noticed the qualifiers "The most significant of these requirements are".
It seems that your response to Carter is far more partisan than you claim him to be.
Arrogance is Confidence which lacks integrity. -- me
Who cares what Carter thinks or says? In our last two wars he has undermined our efforts, both before and during the war. In 1991, he even secretly wrote to the UN Security Council members to tell them to not support Bush's effort to liberate Kuwait. Carter thinks our State Department -- run by Colin Powell -- is racist.
While we are on the subject of elections in Florida, the OSCE -- the international group supposedly monitoring elections in the US this year -- is run by a left-win Democrat who was impeached as a judge in the 80s, on corruption charges. Yippee.
If I understand it right anyone convicted in the US looses their right to vote - why?
I recently heard that every US president since WW2 would have been convicted and sentenced to death if ever tried by the same standards as at Nuremburg.
Here in Sweden every citizen has the right to vote, however stupid/criminal/insane (maybe there are some restrictions there) they are, and I think it's much the same over most of Europe.
Anyway, what does it matter what I think, you people in the US vote for my future anyway.
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So, the way to assure the transparency of the elction is to make the ONU (UN, sorry Spanish thinking ;)) the trustee (veedor in Spanish, i think the meaning is the same but please correct me even if I'm right) of the election. There is at least one antecedent of that, it was in Cuba arround 1992. I don't have the links specially because i've readed on hard paper newspapers arround 1992.
Sorry about my bad english, isn't my natural language
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How come no response to my previous reply?
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
brought up the issues he felt were most gregarious
Aw, I know you meant egregious, but your word, too, seems to fit in this discussion...
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Didn't Carter endorse the last Cuban election as a model of fairness? I seem to remember something to that effect a few years ago. I guess it was fair, after all, there was only one candidate for president.
It's good to use your head, but not as a battering ram.
Redistricting is traditionally done by the legislature. The previous redistricting was done by the courts in Texas after the legislature failed to reach an agreement on the new districts. After the 2002 elections Republicans had the state legislature, the governors office, and both U.S. Senate seats, but the democrats had the majority of U.S. House seats. How do you think that happened? Gerrymandering mess indeed!
The judge who first ruled did. He was a democratic judge and ruled for the republicans. He was later overturned by a partisan FL supreme court decision, which was later overturned by a partisan US supreme court decision. Not that it would have mattered. The Republican FL state legislature was going to award the electors to Bush.