I had an Antec power supply fry my Asus M/B and the associated two SATA drives serving as a RAID 1 system.
What was interesting about it was that one of the Seagate drives literally caught fire. Yes, I said that correctly, the drive was burning with a visible flame.
What happened was I was booting the machine and I luckily had the cover off at the time. I noticed some flickering on one of the Seagate drives and my immediate thought was, "Huh, I don't remember there being a LED on that drive".
A moment later I looked down to investigate and literally there was a flame of about an inch in length exiting from the drives board.
Quickly I shut the power off and the flame went away.
Needless to say my entire RAID was gone. The machine was seldom used, but extremely important, and fortunately I had made a full acronis backup two weeks earlier. Thus, only perhaps 4 hours of work went missing.
Being the nice guy I am I decided to call Seagate to let them know that they had drives that can burst into flames. They practically called me a liar. They refused to entertain the idea that their drive had burst into flames. Now I'm not blaming Seagate for the problem, but it was their equipment that could have burned my house down.
BTW, the flame came from a Texas Instruments chip on the drive board.
I suspect the real culprit was the Antec power supply. BTW, my buddies and I have had really bad luck with Antec power supplies recently. I have had two $90 plus power supplies go bad while a buddy of mine had the same thing happen to an Antec within the last six months.
I've decided that I'm not gonna spend that sort of money for crappy quality.
> It remains to be seen whether hotels will be eager to help TiVo undermine their pay-per-view video revenue
I hardly think it would undermine PPV revenue. It would probably enhance it since those that want to see "Debbie Does Whatever" would probably need to do a lot less searching to get to what they want....
Wife in her 2001 Prius got 51.2 MPG for a full tank of gas recently. She consistently gets 47+ MPG on her commutes.
There is not a comparable MPG VW automatic transmission vehicle in gas or diesel for sale in the USA. If you don;t believe that go to VW's website and look at their own comparison charts.
Remember to compare apples to apples, the Prius only comes in an automatic, comparing a manual shifted vehicle against it is not the same thing.
We eliminate the handling of hydrogen, a not incredibly obnoxious element and substitute the handling of a metal oxide which I would guess is going to kill some sort of lizard or bird if not handled properly.
This ain't a solution, it's pie-in-the-sky dreaming...
100 million, billion, jillion, whatever is great. Those numbers can be achieved via the same people downloading multiple releases. But, how many singular installtions are there. Now that would be an interesting statistic.
Are the idiots. They loaned the US money. What if the US just suddenly decided to not pay?
What is China, Japan, and the EU gonna do? Evict the US? Send out a collector?
Haven't you ever heard the statement "Owe a little to the bank and the bank owns you, owe the bank a lot and you own the bank"? At least that's the concept.
I gave you some nice neat easy to understand specifics that came directly off the manufacturers websites and all you can come up with is conjecture:
> Diesel engines do not have spark plugs, ignition wires, ignition control systems, distributor caps
What planet are you living on? Distributor caps? Haven't you ever heard of electronics?
Spark plugs? You do realize that spark plugs last 100,000 miles now-a-days. And by-the-way, at $3.00 per spark plug I'm really gonna be bankrupt when that 100k service does come up.
What does die on cars is the alternator, the battery, the belts, the air filters, the oil and filters, the tires, the brake pads/rotors, and clutches. Of the items just noted a diesel car has every single one of them.
And if you think the cheap plastic seats in that VW TDI are gonna last 300,000 or 400,000 miles think again. You gonna be driving around on tattered shreds. That will look real nice, not.
Winner: As I implied in the earlier note, neither it's a draw
> Diesel engines can run on 100% bio-diesel which is made from agriculture products and no petroleum.
Hello, earth to idiot, earth to idiot. Have you ever given one thought as to how much fuel probably went into the creation of that bio-diesel? A lot of studies are now coming out and saying that bio-fuels actually achieve a less than 1.0 ratio of fuel produced versus fuel used to produce.
And, mr idiot, what if everybody had a bio-diesel vehicle? There ain't that much left over frenchfry grease or whatever in the entire world to get everybody around the block in the morning in their bio-diesel vehicle.
The bio-diesel argument is that panacea that is akin to the one that was floating around in the early 70s. In the early 70s everyone was convinced that the oceans held enough fish, etc. to feed mankind forever. We just needed to harvest it. Well, we have harvested it and guess what, the oceans are now depleted of fish.
If everybody trys to jump on the bio-diesel bandwagon, there will not be any bio-diesel left....
And, let me ask this, just exactly where are you going to fill-up your bio-diesel vehicle if you are on an out-of-town trip? Does a trip to Burger-King also come with a fill-up for you. So far I haven't noticed any bio-diesel pumps in the drive throughs.
And mr. idiot, if your going to use hail-mary, go for the long ball techniques, to win your argument then I get to also, thus, I'll just poke a couple extra batteries in the trunk of my Prius, put a solar charger on it, and drive for free with ZERO emissions. TOP THAT!
Winner: Hybrid
> Torque is what matters, not horsepower.
Fine, if you think you can win that argumment you're an idiot again. The motor with the highest torque is an electric motor. Guess what car has an electric motor with 300 ft/lbs of torque? Yes the Prius. Conservatively add another 50 ft/lbs of torque for the gas engine and you get 350 ft/lbs of torque. And the car accelerates like it has that power as well.
At 350 ft/lbs of torque the Prius has as much torque as, or more than, most Porsche 911s out there.
What common land vehicle requires the most torque? A train engine. What does a train engine use? It uses a combination of diesel engines and electric engines. The diesel engine(s) drive the electric engines. If diesels have so much torque and are so great why don't train manufacturers just toss the electric engine. Because the electric engine creates enormous, useable, and flexible amounts of torque.
And if torque is what matters so much then why isn't Ferrari running a diesel engine in it's F1 cars?
Why is it that Porsche, AUDI, and VW have agreed to develop a hybrid engine together?
Is it because they are stupid and don't have any diesel experience. Oops, cannot be that, since VW makes the "world beater, not" TDI. It's partially because those companies are world class organizati
I guess so. The minimum VW TDI is $18,575 MSRP while the minimum Toyota Prius is $21,275. Both with Automatic transmissions. You cannot get Toyota without an automatic therefore i'm attempting to compare apples to apples.
> better mileage
I just bought a 2001 Prius and I'm getting 43 MPG on average. The newer Priuses are supposed to get even better mileage than my outdated model. The new TDI from VW gets 32 city/43 highway. Heck my old 55,000 mile Prius is getting as good as the brand new VW TDI. The new 2005 Prius is rated at 60 city/51 highway. Even if you take 10mpg off the top of the city and the highway for the 05 Prius it's still is better than the VW TDI
> and more powerful than a hybrid
VW Golf TDI is rated at 100 HP. My Prius, once again 5 years old, is rated at 110 HP.
> Wow. All I can say is wow. Did you even recognize this guy's problems?
Yes I did, and from what I saw he was just plain lazy. Except for the ctrl-z issue, I saw a person who obviously never took the time to find out what Firebird has or has not.
Most of the functionality he "desired" is available.
Sure, some of my alternatives offered were not the greatest, but this guy went to a lot of trouble to write up his experiences with what he considers to be a bad database system when mostly it's actually just the default interactive client program with which he finds fault.
He could have spent that energy adding some of the functionality he feels is missing to the stupid little ISQL program rather than bitching about it.
As far as what you write I'll respond:
> The guy was talking about how obtuse it is to have to specify the exact location of the database.
Well, regardless of how it's done, it has to be specified somewhere. And in my situation my client (a person) might have 500 separate databases on a single server machine. Don't blame me for that boneheaded design flaw. So it's actually kinda nice being able to specify exactly which database to use in a concise manner.
>>I'm not sure what type of terminal program you use but frankly mine handles all that sort of stuff just fine for me. Why should ISQL be tasked with what is clearly a terminal program's tasks?
> Whoaaaa! He's talking about ISQL not supporting a backspace.
I stand by what I said. For goodness sakes even MS-DOS supports backspace while in an ISQL session.
I regularly use XTerm, did he even bother to try a default setup of XTerm? I doubt it.
> Readline support is an *extremely* nice thing to have, especially in an sql client
Once again, he didn't bother to do his homework. He just whined when the ISQL client didn't perform exactly like somebody else's.
Other than specifying a particular database they are functionaly equal. And for those who need to ability to have several simultaneous databases running on a particular server specifying the DB might not be a bad thing.
> $ echo "select * from users;" | mysql -uuser -ppassword
I had mentioned the dynfull.e source code (I believe this code is probably the code for ISQL as well, I've never bothered to investigate) which with just a tiny amount of tweaking results in:
So what's the problem with that. It spits the results out to the console. I assume your MySQL does as well.
Same answer, different format.
Per the ctrl-z issue, I would once again say, don't trash the database itself over a probable client issue. But since neither I nor you apparently know what is going on in this case I'll leave it at that.
Read your reasons for not using Firebird and quite frankly I was not impressed:
> First off, you have to specify the exact path of the database file on the remote machine. That is, you can't connect to database FOO on host BAR - you have to connect to/var/databases/FOO.gdb. Heaven help you if you ever change your directory layout and run multiple applications against the same server.
Huh? Haven't you ever heard of the "ln" command or environment variables or configuration files are any other of a multitude of ways to pass path information along to a program?
> The command line client, isql, is awful. It has no supports whatsoever for readline-esque features such as command history, or even deleting the previous character. Standard procedure is to type queries in a text editor and then paste them into the isql shell.
I'm not sure what type of terminal program you use but frankly mine handles all that sort of stuff just fine for me. Why should ISQL be tasked with what is clearly a terminal program's tasks?
> A nice feature we discovered: suspending the isql client with ^Z will lock the server until you foreground the client process again. We were NOT amused to discover this: "HEY! THE $#!*(@# SERVER IS FROZEN AGAIN! WTF?!?!?"
So, now just exactly how many times a day are you typing ^Z? Perhaps you should consider typing lessons.
> We've experienced several (!!!) cases of database corruption where we were completely unable to recover any data inserted into a database after that point.
Based upon your previous displays of skill should this complaint even warrant a response?
If you are aware of a database corruption, which is what your statement suggests, why are you still trying to insert data into it?
> AFAIK, no equivalent of mysqldump exists for Interbase. At least, I was unable to find one when I critically needed it (see previous point). I eventually hacked one up in Perl that works OK for our needs, but that still rather surprised me. AFAIK (yes, twice in one post!:), you can only back up the binary database to another binary file. BTW, my boss gave me permission to release my backup tool under the GPL
The last time I looked the database actually ships with a dump utility which includes the full source code. Did you even bother to look in the examples directory. Dynfull.e exists in that directory and you should probably take a look at it.
> If a suicide bomber jumped on a train on the underground in NYC, and blew himself up, we couldn't even figure out who did it!
I hardly think you're right. The bombers aren't trying to make any big secret about who they are. As evidenced by the 9-11 hijackers, they carried legitimate ids.
You basically have a set of people who thumb their noses at others and are quite happy to smile into the cameras as they do it (or carry an id, i.e. 9-11). They want people to know who they are in a sense.
On a similar note, I hear it happens all the time in London with common crooks (am I wrong) where they don't care, they just need to steal that ipod to get their next fix, who cares if they look into the camera.
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I had an Antec power supply fry my Asus M/B and the associated two SATA drives serving as a RAID 1 system.
What was interesting about it was that one of the Seagate drives literally caught fire. Yes, I said that correctly, the drive was burning with a visible flame.
What happened was I was booting the machine and I luckily had the cover off at the time. I noticed some flickering on one of the Seagate drives and my immediate thought was, "Huh, I don't remember there being a LED on that drive".
A moment later I looked down to investigate and literally there was a flame of about an inch in length exiting from the drives board.
Quickly I shut the power off and the flame went away.
Needless to say my entire RAID was gone. The machine was seldom used, but extremely important, and fortunately I had made a full acronis backup two weeks earlier. Thus, only perhaps 4 hours of work went missing.
Being the nice guy I am I decided to call Seagate to let them know that they had drives that can burst into flames. They practically called me a liar. They refused to entertain the idea that their drive had burst into flames. Now I'm not blaming Seagate for the problem, but it was their equipment that could have burned my house down.
BTW, the flame came from a Texas Instruments chip on the drive board.
I suspect the real culprit was the Antec power supply. BTW, my buddies and I have had really bad luck with Antec power supplies recently. I have had two $90 plus power supplies go bad while a buddy of mine had the same thing happen to an Antec within the last six months.
I've decided that I'm not gonna spend that sort of money for crappy quality.
I guess that means those well meaning Muslim men who wanted to behead the Canadian Prime Minister have nothing to worry about:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13150516
Dude,
You don't know what causes global warming. You just think you do.
I absolutely certain that it is sunspot activity. Refute me and prove it beyond all doubt. You cannot.
...anyone who dares to disagree with them or who tries to offer an alternative viewpoint.
Oh, and on the other side of the Global Warming coin, I am tired of the godless left as well.
Why,
Can't this 3D printer just duplicate itself by printing a clone of itself. Surely the price could drop from $2,400?
> It remains to be seen whether hotels will be eager to help TiVo undermine their pay-per-view video revenue
I hardly think it would undermine PPV revenue. It would probably enhance it since those that want to see "Debbie Does Whatever" would probably need to do a lot less searching to get to what they want....
As,
An owner of a hybrid my wife gets to tkae 45 minutes a day off her commute time because she is allowed to drive in the carpool lane.
She is the real winner, regardless of the cost of car.
My,
Wife in her 2001 Prius got 51.2 MPG for a full tank of gas recently. She consistently gets 47+ MPG on her commutes.
There is not a comparable MPG VW automatic transmission vehicle in gas or diesel for sale in the USA. If you don;t believe that go to VW's website and look at their own comparison charts.
Remember to compare apples to apples, the Prius only comes in an automatic, comparing a manual shifted vehicle against it is not the same thing.
My,
Wife in her 2001 Prius got 51.2 MPG for a full tank of gas recently. She consistently gets 47+ MPG on her commutes.
I've,
Already put an exclusion in my robots.txt file to keep MS out.
Therefore, no matter what they do (other than cheat) they will always be one website smaller than Google.
Assuming google doesn't tick me off also.
So,
We eliminate the handling of hydrogen, a not incredibly obnoxious element and substitute the handling of a metal oxide which I would guess is going to kill some sort of lizard or bird if not handled properly.
This ain't a solution, it's pie-in-the-sky dreaming...
Yeah,
100 million, billion, jillion, whatever is great. Those numbers can be achieved via the same people downloading multiple releases. But, how many singular installtions are there. Now that would be an interesting statistic.
Hey,
If I had to choose I'd rather it be a degree warmer than a degree colder.
And who is to say that 1990 was the norm. 1734 could have been the norm. Or that 2005 is really that far away from the norm....
They,
Are the idiots. They loaned the US money. What if the US just suddenly decided to not pay?
What is China, Japan, and the EU gonna do? Evict the US? Send out a collector?
Haven't you ever heard the statement "Owe a little to the bank and the bank owns you, owe the bank a lot and you own the bank"? At least that's the concept.
Good luck.
> If countries like China were to just stop buying your government debt
China is a pimple on the US' ass. Let them try whatever they want.
I don't need a new DVD player and I got a farm that can feed me when I get hungry.
Hey,
Don't bring a knife to a gunfight buddy.
I gave you some nice neat easy to understand specifics that came directly off the manufacturers websites and all you can come up with is conjecture:
> Diesel engines do not have spark plugs, ignition wires, ignition control systems, distributor caps
What planet are you living on? Distributor caps? Haven't you ever heard of electronics?
Spark plugs? You do realize that spark plugs last 100,000 miles now-a-days. And by-the-way, at $3.00 per spark plug I'm really gonna be bankrupt when that 100k service does come up.
What does die on cars is the alternator, the battery, the belts, the air filters, the oil and filters, the tires, the brake pads/rotors, and clutches. Of the items just noted a diesel car has every single one of them.
And if you think the cheap plastic seats in that VW TDI are gonna last 300,000 or 400,000 miles think again. You gonna be driving around on tattered shreds. That will look real nice, not.
Winner: As I implied in the earlier note, neither it's a draw
> Diesel engines can run on 100% bio-diesel which is made from agriculture products and no petroleum.
Hello, earth to idiot, earth to idiot. Have you ever given one thought as to how much fuel probably went into the creation of that bio-diesel? A lot of studies are now coming out and saying that bio-fuels actually achieve a less than 1.0 ratio of fuel produced versus fuel used to produce.
And, mr idiot, what if everybody had a bio-diesel vehicle? There ain't that much left over frenchfry grease or whatever in the entire world to get everybody around the block in the morning in their bio-diesel vehicle.
The bio-diesel argument is that panacea that is akin to the one that was floating around in the early 70s. In the early 70s everyone was convinced that the oceans held enough fish, etc. to feed mankind forever. We just needed to harvest it. Well, we have harvested it and guess what, the oceans are now depleted of fish.
If everybody trys to jump on the bio-diesel bandwagon, there will not be any bio-diesel left....
And, let me ask this, just exactly where are you going to fill-up your bio-diesel vehicle if you are on an out-of-town trip? Does a trip to Burger-King also come with a fill-up for you. So far I haven't noticed any bio-diesel pumps in the drive throughs.
And mr. idiot, if your going to use hail-mary, go for the long ball techniques, to win your argument then I get to also, thus, I'll just poke a couple extra batteries in the trunk of my Prius, put a solar charger on it, and drive for free with ZERO emissions. TOP THAT!
Winner: Hybrid
> Torque is what matters, not horsepower.
Fine, if you think you can win that argumment you're an idiot again. The motor with the highest torque is an electric motor. Guess what car has an electric motor with 300 ft/lbs of torque? Yes the Prius. Conservatively add another 50 ft/lbs of torque for the gas engine and you get 350 ft/lbs of torque. And the car accelerates like it has that power as well.
At 350 ft/lbs of torque the Prius has as much torque as, or more than, most Porsche 911s out there.
What common land vehicle requires the most torque? A train engine. What does a train engine use? It uses a combination of diesel engines and electric engines. The diesel engine(s) drive the electric engines. If diesels have so much torque and are so great why don't train manufacturers just toss the electric engine. Because the electric engine creates enormous, useable, and flexible amounts of torque.
And if torque is what matters so much then why isn't Ferrari running a diesel engine in it's F1 cars?
Why is it that Porsche, AUDI, and VW have agreed to develop a hybrid engine together?
Is it because they are stupid and don't have any diesel experience. Oops, cannot be that, since VW makes the "world beater, not" TDI. It's partially because those companies are world class organizati
> Much cheaper
I guess so. The minimum VW TDI is $18,575 MSRP while the minimum Toyota Prius is $21,275. Both with Automatic transmissions. You cannot get Toyota without an automatic therefore i'm attempting to compare apples to apples.
> better mileage
I just bought a 2001 Prius and I'm getting 43 MPG on average. The newer Priuses are supposed to get even better mileage than my outdated model. The new TDI from VW gets 32 city/43 highway. Heck my old 55,000 mile Prius is getting as good as the brand new VW TDI. The new 2005 Prius is rated at 60 city/51 highway. Even if you take 10mpg off the top of the city and the highway for the 05 Prius it's still is better than the VW TDI
> and more powerful than a hybrid
VW Golf TDI is rated at 100 HP. My Prius, once again 5 years old, is rated at 110 HP.
Dude,
It's totally true. The truth is usually pretty simple.
Looks,
Like a remake of the crap Popular Science seems to devote every third issue to.
Yawn. No make that YAWN!
> Wow. All I can say is wow. Did you even recognize this guy's problems?
;"
Yes I did, and from what I saw he was just plain lazy. Except for the ctrl-z issue, I saw a person who obviously never took the time to find out what Firebird has or has not.
Most of the functionality he "desired" is available.
Sure, some of my alternatives offered were not the greatest, but this guy went to a lot of trouble to write up his experiences with what he considers to be a bad database system when mostly it's actually just the default interactive client program with which he finds fault.
He could have spent that energy adding some of the functionality he feels is missing to the stupid little ISQL program rather than bitching about it.
As far as what you write I'll respond:
> The guy was talking about how obtuse it is to have to specify the exact location of the database.
Well, regardless of how it's done, it has to be specified somewhere. And in my situation my client (a person) might have 500 separate databases on a single server machine. Don't blame me for that boneheaded design flaw. So it's actually kinda nice being able to specify exactly which database to use in a concise manner.
>>I'm not sure what type of terminal program you use but frankly mine handles all that sort of stuff just fine for me. Why should ISQL be tasked with what is clearly a terminal program's tasks?
> Whoaaaa! He's talking about ISQL not supporting a backspace.
I stand by what I said. For goodness sakes even MS-DOS supports backspace while in an ISQL session.
I regularly use XTerm, did he even bother to try a default setup of XTerm? I doubt it.
> Readline support is an *extremely* nice thing to have, especially in an sql client
Once again, he didn't bother to do his homework. He just whined when the ISQL client didn't perform exactly like somebody else's.
> $ mysql -uuser -ppassword < stuff.sql
Ok, so what's that got to over:
$ isql.exe -u SYSDBA -p masterkey -i stuff.sql database.gdb
Other than specifying a particular database they are functionaly equal. And for those who need to ability to have several simultaneous databases running on a particular server specifying the DB might not be a bad thing.
> $ echo "select * from users;" | mysql -uuser -ppassword
I had mentioned the dynfull.e source code (I believe this code is probably the code for ISQL as well, I've never bothered to investigate) which with just a tiny amount of tweaking results in:
$ dynfull -u SYSDBA -p masterkey database.gdb "select * from users
So what's the problem with that. It spits the results out to the console. I assume your MySQL does as well.
Same answer, different format.
Per the ctrl-z issue, I would once again say, don't trash the database itself over a probable client issue. But since neither I nor you apparently know what is going on in this case I'll leave it at that.
Have a great day!
Dude,
/var/databases/FOO.gdb. Heaven help you if you ever change your directory layout and run multiple applications against the same server.
:), you can only back up the binary database to another binary file. BTW, my boss gave me permission to release my backup tool under the GPL
Read your reasons for not using Firebird and quite frankly I was not impressed:
> First off, you have to specify the exact path of the database file on the remote machine. That is, you can't connect to database FOO on host BAR - you have to connect to
Huh? Haven't you ever heard of the "ln" command or environment variables or configuration files are any other of a multitude of ways to pass path information along to a program?
> The command line client, isql, is awful. It has no supports whatsoever for readline-esque features such as command history, or even deleting the previous character. Standard procedure is to type queries in a text editor and then paste them into the isql shell.
I'm not sure what type of terminal program you use but frankly mine handles all that sort of stuff just fine for me. Why should ISQL be tasked with what is clearly a terminal program's tasks?
> A nice feature we discovered: suspending the isql client with ^Z will lock the server until you foreground the client process again. We were NOT amused to discover this: "HEY! THE $#!*(@# SERVER IS FROZEN AGAIN! WTF?!?!?"
So, now just exactly how many times a day are you typing ^Z? Perhaps you should consider typing lessons.
> We've experienced several (!!!) cases of database corruption where we were completely unable to recover any data inserted into a database after that point.
Based upon your previous displays of skill should this complaint even warrant a response?
If you are aware of a database corruption, which is what your statement suggests, why are you still trying to insert data into it?
> AFAIK, no equivalent of mysqldump exists for Interbase. At least, I was unable to find one when I critically needed it (see previous point). I eventually hacked one up in Perl that works OK for our needs, but that still rather surprised me. AFAIK (yes, twice in one post!
The last time I looked the database actually ships with a dump utility which includes the full source code. Did you even bother to look in the examples directory. Dynfull.e exists in that directory and you should probably take a look at it.
> Did you read the article?
Yes,
The real question is, did you view the images?
Look closely and you will see what I'm referring to...
Ok,
I'm neither impressed by this Vista or Tiger thing.
MS takes how many years to produce a windowing system that has animated icons?
Or N number of years to come up with a manner of searching your files that quite frankly doesn't sound any better to me than what already exists.
I mean quite honestly, how many grandmothers are going to build what is essentially an SQL where clause to find their great-grandbabies photos.
If those grannys are like my mother they will be lucky to remember where the friggin power switch is from day-to-day.
The author states:
> For Windows enthusiasts, Windows Vista Beta 1 is a much-needed demonstration that Microsoft can still churn out valuable Windows releases
I guess he is right assuming your expectations are incredibly low.
> If a suicide bomber jumped on a train on the underground in NYC, and blew himself up, we couldn't even figure out who did it!
I hardly think you're right. The bombers aren't trying to make any big secret about who they are. As evidenced by the 9-11 hijackers, they carried legitimate ids.
You basically have a set of people who thumb their noses at others and are quite happy to smile into the cameras as they do it (or carry an id, i.e. 9-11). They want people to know who they are in a sense.
On a similar note, I hear it happens all the time in London with common crooks (am I wrong) where they don't care, they just need to steal that ipod to get their next fix, who cares if they look into the camera.
> The most amazing thing ... is ... Hillary can get so many people up-in-arms ... about a stupid ... game
I totally agree!
Why isn't Hillary fighting for something that really matters?