It is not an apples to oranges comparison if the desired outcome of the applications is the same.
If I do X with Java and I similarly do X with Perl/CGI or Python/Zope - and the result is faster using the 4GLs - then it seems clear to me that the best approach is to not use Java.
A process is a process - regardless of whether it runs on the server or the client. What differentiates them, then, must be performance.
We have replaced several Java apps at my job with Perl. It runs faster, uses less resources, and is simple to modify (no compilation needed).
Most web based apps I build now are either Perl CGI or Python Zope - and I am leaning more and more toward Python as the language of choice for large applications.
I don't think the problem is so much the language itself, or its implementation as much as the lack of understanding of developers in the IT shop to use Java as a matter of course - rather than a logical selection.
As stated elsewhere, using the right tool for the job should be developers number one skill. With the emergence of 4GLs and web development and presentation frameworks, coupled with the increase in computer and network speed capacity, there is little impetus to waste time offloading CPU cycles to the user's computer (via Java applets). To add a final straw to the Camel's back, the emergence of the CSS, and script standards as deployed in modern browsers and leveraged in modern development frameworks, provides more lightweight (and thus faster) options, particularly in concert with backend server processing.
Finally, all of the applications I build anymore are strictly web based - which puts a premium on efficiency - difficult to achieve using Java.
The head of my computer science department wrote a very nice text on Unix programming that I still have on my bookshelf today - and refer to on various occaisions.
Granted - it was expensive to buy initially (and used at that).
Actually I have most of my core CS books, as well as my English style guides (and several copies of Strunk & White that I managed to collect and squirrel away for later treasure picking).
On the other hand, I don't have any of my Math books - and only kept one History book - a tome on American history that would make an excellent doorstop.
One of the reasons for the high price is the limited audience - in order to make a profit from the small numbers of a printing run - and the reselling of used textbooks - publishers have to have high prices. Its not like every Tom, Dick, and Harry is going to go out and buy "Modern Operating Systems" by Tanenbaum - or any number of other obscure screeds faculty/deans/boards pick. Demand is low - so prices are high.
The FOSS community will produce a web server appliance that will do all that and more for a fraction of the price over the lifetime of the product, and a company won't have to sell their soul to M$ to do it...
...considering that without end-users IT wouldn't have a job, it does seem fairly important to pay as much attention as possible to end-users...
How about 'as much attention as required' - because it is possible to spend all of your attention (time) on UI - at the exclusion of server-side usefullness (this is essentially what MS Windows did - and look at their footprint on key infrastructure - pretty much NIL).
In reality there needs to be a balance. The Linux/FOSS community needs more UI developers (programmers who are also schooled in the ways of good UI design); at the same token, we should continue our strong lead in network server functionality.
To really solve the problem, once and for all, applications will migrate to the server - and there will be less need for client machines to run the very basic office-centric applications. CPU cycles will be saved for calculation intensive activities, including 3D and graphics rendering, math/simulation generation, and more sophisticated games. Most searching/indexing, file storage/retrieval, and other mundane tasks will be offloaded to the server and the client will be free to perform more interesting computing (this is how I have my network set up now - and it works great: no massive applications vying for memory and CPU resources on my workstation - any given session you will see gimp, and xterms, with the browser serving as my document editor [via server XML repository - and information indexer | XML editor, Wiki etc...] For programming I run emacs as my IDE - that is about it. On the server side I do a bit of web crawling automation - but again, this uses no workstation resources).
UI design has the same issues - whether it is via a browser interface or via a full blown X window application. I would argue that standardizing a web interface is easier than doing the same for a native C++ app due to CSS standards and the increasing maturity of web development frameworks/servers. With a balanced client/server (notice I did not say 'thin client', since I do believe there are appropriate uses for large numbers of cpu cycles on the client side that are not strictly serving remote applications and data) architecture the UI job leans more toward development on the server side.
Ultimately, I think end users need to change the way they think about computers, not as stand alone single user 'black boxes', but instead as a client/server network. People are already connecting their laptops and workstations on a common wireless network - this is the perfect environment to introduce server appliances that do the collection/indexing/searching/authoring functions as a seperate node on that network - a perfect match for FOSS.
...good to see Stallman being quoted and linked to in a publication Like BusinessWeek.
They will only quote him when it serves to illustrate their point - in this case that these 'looney' 'commie' GNU / OSS folks are out of their minds when it comes to solid business practice.
I would say - wait for the IBM/SCO GPL ruling before jumping to any conclusions.
What prevents me from writing my own VOIP software and using that? Will it need to be wiretap-emabled as well?...
Only if you open up shop as a VOIP provider (providing the service for a fee from the general public).
What your computer skills allow you to do across the network between you and your friends does not fall into that category - and would be very hard if not impossible to regulate if they decided to change the laws. Technically, Roger Wilco, TeamSpeak, and other voice communication software is 'voice over IP' - so there is some gray area (maybe it only applies to the H323 protocol - which means if you encoded your own protocol...?)
It is a similar situation as the chip mod folks have to deal with; you can mod your Xbox all you like for your own amusement. You get into trouble when you mass produce the chips and sell them to the general public.
stupid/ignorant/evil/jerk-offs/small-minded/"can 't think for themselves"/un-informed.
The Republic breaks down when those same citizens are in positions of power...
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Turnitin is not a foolproof way of finding plagerism. It is concievable that two people can come up with very similar results independently.
Case in point: in college I wrote a paper for english class - which my professor liked so much that he circulated among the faculty. Several faculty members accused me of plagerism - because my work was very similar to another essay on the subject by a 'professional' author. I stuck to my guns and eventually they caved. I did not plagerize - but there was nothing I could definitively do to prove otherwise. I had nothing but my word (which these ivory tower yahoos chose not to believe).
I was lucky. Someone else, perhaps not the right ethnicity in the mind of the professors, might not have been given the benefit of the doubt in the same situation.
We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before; it is hard not to use a turn of phrase that is completely unique in each and every paper. Additionally, the infinite monkey theorum might also apply - given a large enough database. This will lead to false-positive identifications - more to the detriment of excellent writers, I fear, than any good that comes from positive IDs.
The sad truth of the matter is that 80% of the children slept through geography class...
Canada is the country on the Northern land border of the Continental United States.
Mexico is the country on the Southern land border of the Continental U.S.
The Pacific Ocean is the large body of water on the Western edge of the Continental U.S.
The Atlantic Ocean is the large body of water on the Eastern edge of the Continental U.S.
And finally, the Gulf of Mexico is the large round lake-like body of water on the Southeastern edge of the Continental U.S.
How hard can it be people!!!! It's not like it takes a great amount of mental skill to know where countries are located. (If anyone can tell me off the top of your head - without Googling/Wikipedia/etc - where the country of 'Mali' is located - I'll eat my hat).
A previous message said they already were able to update the firmware through the data port - which tells me you could wipe the encryption scheme - and save pictures unencrypted (if they are encrypted to begin with).
This looks like a great and cheap hacking project.
I could see hacking this as very useful for 'throw away' applications - where losing a $1000+ SLR would be heartbreaking.
Does anyone know about the power supply - and how easy is it to replace the battery?
The company has now launched geography classes for its staff to avoid further bloomers which have caused embarrassment and cost money on a grand scale.
Shouldn't this be bloopers? I thought bloomers were something you wear... er... that women wear...yeah...
Bloomer 1. A costume formerly worn by women and girls that was composed of loose trousers gathered about the ankles and worn under a short skirt.
In Mexico they think a cold drink will lead to a throat infection - and so do not use ice to cool their drinks (seems a bit strange in our modern scientific age). You have to ask for ice over there. This is similar to the UK - where I never received a drink with ice without asking the two years I lived there. The first time I ran into this I was on the boardwalk at Greater Yarmouth - and it was a hot summer day - in the high 80s, which is hot for Britain - and I orderd a soda; the proprieter reaches up on a shelf, pulls down a can, blows dust off of it, and hands it to me. I drank it - but it did not cool me off or slack my thirst...:)
Back in the U.S: In a restaurant setting, if you get iced tea - the amount of ice is irrelevant since you can get unlimited refills. Most fast food places now have a self serve soda fountain - so you can also get all the refills of soda you want (or need for that matter). I will admit that the cinemas are a ripoff when it comes to the concession stand - I used to work as a manager at a movie theatre, and most of our money came not from ticket sales (it was a dollar movie - so this could be different at first run cinemas) but from the concession stand.
In the Southern U.S. iced drinks are particularly appreciated in the dog days of Summer (90+ degree F. temps day in and day out). In a hot environment it is critical to be well hydrated and maintain a normal body temperature to avoid heat exhaustion/stroke - which might explain our proclivity for drinks with ice. An ice cooled drink is much more efficient at cooling off a human body, than drinking a room temperature drink, and sweating. This might also explain the rank b.o. experienced in various settings - since people who drink a cold drink cool their core temperature faster and thus sweat less. Is there any scientific studies to this effect? (My empirical observations seem to support this hypothesis)
a) Download patch(es) to one of my Linux boxen. b) Pull plug of external network. c) Clean-up Windoze machine as needed. d) FTP files over to Windoze box. e) Load patches as needed. f) Open up external network again.
Of course, if you only have one box, then that won't work. In that case, have a Knoppix CD laying around for just such a situation:
a) Put Knoppix CD in to CD drive on your box. b) Reboot box. c) When Knoppix comes up, configure it to talk on the network. d) Download patch(es) to some storage medium (burn CD, use a USB ROM storage device etc...be creative). e) Pull plug on external network. f) Shutdown Knoppix and reboot Windoze. g) Clean-up Windoze machine as needed. g) Copy files from storage medium to your Windoze partition. h) Load patches as needed. i) Open up external network again.
Why must I have network services enabled to run any app on my computer? Additionally, some basic things - like the taskbar and windowing system - will crash if you don't have certain network services running. WTF?
This is not a glitch - it is a very stupid design. I have had many Windows apps lock-up when network connectivity is lost - which tells me the networking piece is not coded correctly (that is to say - the application should not CTD [crash to desktop] when the network is down; instead it should gracefully deal with it allowing you to save data, as a minimum, and continue working offline ideally). Sadly, developers went along for the ride - and now are having to pay for it.
Yes - I'm going to take IT advice from this company - NOT. It amazes me that such a large repository of PHDs can produce such shoddy workmanship. Then again, they are versed in the theoretical, as opposed to the practical aspects of their chosen craft.
Chalk it up as one more reason to wipe your hard drive and load Linux/BSD...
Hmmmm - I thought google just pointed to information. Also, there are alot of other people collecting information and pointers to information: Internet ArchiveTeoma Search etc...
Finally, if you are so worried about google controlling everything - why don't you build your own search engine and start collecting your own pointers?
It doesn't seem like the end of the world to me.
What would be bad would be having only one or a few limited sources of information - much as existed prior to the internet. Today we have much more options for finding information - now we just have to figure out good and fast ways to come to some consensus between various conflicting sources. Again, a challenge to be overcome - not the end of the world.
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It is not an apples to oranges comparison if the desired outcome of the applications is the same.
If I do X with Java and I similarly do X with Perl/CGI or Python/Zope - and the result is faster using the 4GLs - then it seems clear to me that the best approach is to not use Java.
A process is a process - regardless of whether it runs on the server or the client. What differentiates them, then, must be performance.
Remember Kerberos...
Remember J++ (Microshaft's broken implementation of Java that I use as a coaster in my home office)?
We have replaced several Java apps at my job with Perl. It runs faster, uses less resources, and is simple to modify (no compilation needed).
Most web based apps I build now are either Perl CGI or Python Zope - and I am leaning more and more toward Python as the language of choice for large applications.
I don't think the problem is so much the language itself, or its implementation as much as the lack of understanding of developers in the IT shop to use Java as a matter of course - rather than a logical selection.
As stated elsewhere, using the right tool for the job should be developers number one skill. With the emergence of 4GLs and web development and presentation frameworks, coupled with the increase in computer and network speed capacity, there is little impetus to waste time offloading CPU cycles to the user's computer (via Java applets). To add a final straw to the Camel's back, the emergence of the CSS, and script standards as deployed in modern browsers and leveraged in modern development frameworks, provides more lightweight (and thus faster) options, particularly in concert with backend server processing.
Finally, all of the applications I build anymore are strictly web based - which puts a premium on efficiency - difficult to achieve using Java.
I don't know...
The head of my computer science department wrote a very nice text on Unix programming that I still have on my bookshelf today - and refer to on various occaisions.
Granted - it was expensive to buy initially (and used at that).
Actually I have most of my core CS books, as well as my English style guides (and several copies of Strunk & White that I managed to collect and squirrel away for later treasure picking).
On the other hand, I don't have any of my Math books - and only kept one History book - a tome on American history that would make an excellent doorstop.
One of the reasons for the high price is the limited audience - in order to make a profit from the small numbers of a printing run - and the reselling of used textbooks - publishers have to have high prices. Its not like every Tom, Dick, and Harry is going to go out and buy "Modern Operating Systems" by Tanenbaum - or any number of other obscure screeds faculty/deans/boards pick. Demand is low - so prices are high.
The FOSS community will produce a web server appliance that will do all that and more for a fraction of the price over the lifetime of the product, and a company won't have to sell their soul to M$ to do it...
...considering that without end-users IT wouldn't have a job, it does seem fairly important to pay as much attention as possible to end-users...
How about 'as much attention as required' - because it is possible to spend all of your attention (time) on UI - at the exclusion of server-side usefullness (this is essentially what MS Windows did - and look at their footprint on key infrastructure - pretty much NIL).
In reality there needs to be a balance. The Linux/FOSS community needs more UI developers (programmers who are also schooled in the ways of good UI design); at the same token, we should continue our strong lead in network server functionality.
To really solve the problem, once and for all, applications will migrate to the server - and there will be less need for client machines to run the very basic office-centric applications. CPU cycles will be saved for calculation intensive activities, including 3D and graphics rendering, math/simulation generation, and more sophisticated games. Most searching/indexing, file storage/retrieval, and other mundane tasks will be offloaded to the server and the client will be free to perform more interesting computing (this is how I have my network set up now - and it works great: no massive applications vying for memory and CPU resources on my workstation - any given session you will see gimp, and xterms, with the browser serving as my document editor [via server XML repository - and information indexer | XML editor, Wiki etc...] For programming I run emacs as my IDE - that is about it. On the server side I do a bit of web crawling automation - but again, this uses no workstation resources).
UI design has the same issues - whether it is via a browser interface or via a full blown X window application. I would argue that standardizing a web interface is easier than doing the same for a native C++ app due to CSS standards and the increasing maturity of web development frameworks/servers. With a balanced client/server (notice I did not say 'thin client', since I do believe there are appropriate uses for large numbers of cpu cycles on the client side that are not strictly serving remote applications and data) architecture the UI job leans more toward development on the server side.
Ultimately, I think end users need to change the way they think about computers, not as stand alone single user 'black boxes', but instead as a client/server network. People are already connecting their laptops and workstations on a common wireless network - this is the perfect environment to introduce server appliances that do the collection/indexing/searching/authoring functions as a seperate node on that network - a perfect match for FOSS.
I have a copyright and patent on my unique version of that word.
If you want to use it - you must pay 10% of your total profits / karma earned from said use...
...good to see Stallman being quoted and linked to in a publication Like BusinessWeek.
They will only quote him when it serves to illustrate their point - in this case that these 'looney' 'commie' GNU / OSS folks are out of their minds when it comes to solid business practice.
I would say - wait for the IBM/SCO GPL ruling before jumping to any conclusions.
What prevents me from writing my own VOIP software and using that? Will it need to be wiretap-emabled as well?...
Only if you open up shop as a VOIP provider (providing the service for a fee from the general public).
What your computer skills allow you to do across the network between you and your friends does not fall into that category - and would be very hard if not impossible to regulate if they decided to change the laws. Technically, Roger Wilco, TeamSpeak, and other voice communication software is 'voice over IP' - so there is some gray area (maybe it only applies to the H323 protocol - which means if you encoded your own protocol...?)
It is a similar situation as the chip mod folks have to deal with; you can mod your Xbox all you like for your own amusement. You get into trouble when you mass produce the chips and sell them to the general public.
...and the CIA couldn't prevent it because they couldn't tap lines...
:)
Ummm - the CIA better not be tapping my telephone line inside the U.S.A. - that is the job of the FBI...
Mao is quoting/paraphrasing Sun-Tzu in that passage.
Some/most U.S. citizens are:
n 't think for themselves"/un-informed.
stupid/ignorant/evil/jerk-offs/small-minded/"ca
The Republic breaks down when those same citizens are in positions of power...
Turnitin is not a foolproof way of finding plagerism. It is concievable that two people can come up with very similar results independently.
Case in point: in college I wrote a paper for english class - which my professor liked so much that he circulated among the faculty. Several faculty members accused me of plagerism - because my work was very similar to another essay on the subject by a 'professional' author. I stuck to my guns and eventually they caved. I did not plagerize - but there was nothing I could definitively do to prove otherwise. I had nothing but my word (which these ivory tower yahoos chose not to believe).
I was lucky. Someone else, perhaps not the right ethnicity in the mind of the professors, might not have been given the benefit of the doubt in the same situation.
We all stand on the shoulders of those who came before; it is hard not to use a turn of phrase that is completely unique in each and every paper. Additionally, the infinite monkey theorum might also apply - given a large enough database. This will lead to false-positive identifications - more to the detriment of excellent writers, I fear, than any good that comes from positive IDs.
It takes a novice to mess things up. But it takes a PHD to really screw the pooch.
...
These people should know better - particularly after the first time.
PHD standing at stove in kitchen of station at the South Pole:
*sizzling noise*
"Ouch!"
*sizzling noise*
"Ouch!"
*sizzling noise*
(*sounds of hat being eaten*)
Mmmm-mmmm good!
The sad truth of the matter is that 80% of the children slept through geography class...
Canada is the country on the Northern land border of the Continental United States.
Mexico is the country on the Southern land border of the Continental U.S.
The Pacific Ocean is the large body of water on the Western edge of the Continental U.S.
The Atlantic Ocean is the large body of water on the Eastern edge of the Continental U.S.
And finally, the Gulf of Mexico is the large round lake-like body of water on the Southeastern edge of the Continental U.S.
How hard can it be people!!!! It's not like it takes a great amount of mental skill to know where countries are located. (If anyone can tell me off the top of your head - without Googling/Wikipedia/etc - where the country of 'Mali' is located - I'll eat my hat).
A previous message said they already were able to update the firmware through the data port - which tells me you could wipe the encryption scheme - and save pictures unencrypted (if they are encrypted to begin with).
This looks like a great and cheap hacking project.
I could see hacking this as very useful for 'throw away' applications - where losing a $1000+ SLR would be heartbreaking.
Does anyone know about the power supply - and how easy is it to replace the battery?
The company has now launched geography classes for its staff to avoid further bloomers which have caused embarrassment and cost money on a grand scale.
Shouldn't this be bloopers? I thought bloomers were something you wear... er... that women wear...yeah...
Bloomer
1. A costume formerly worn by women and girls that was composed of loose trousers gathered about the ankles and worn under a short skirt.
In Mexico they think a cold drink will lead to a throat infection - and so do not use ice to cool their drinks (seems a bit strange in our modern scientific age). You have to ask for ice over there. This is similar to the UK - where I never received a drink with ice without asking the two years I lived there. The first time I ran into this I was on the boardwalk at Greater Yarmouth - and it was a hot summer day - in the high 80s, which is hot for Britain - and I orderd a soda; the proprieter reaches up on a shelf, pulls down a can, blows dust off of it, and hands it to me. I drank it - but it did not cool me off or slack my thirst... :)
Back in the U.S:
In a restaurant setting, if you get iced tea - the amount of ice is irrelevant since you can get unlimited refills. Most fast food places now have a self serve soda fountain - so you can also get all the refills of soda you want (or need for that matter). I will admit that the cinemas are a ripoff when it comes to the concession stand - I used to work as a manager at a movie theatre, and most of our money came not from ticket sales (it was a dollar movie - so this could be different at first run cinemas) but from the concession stand.
In the Southern U.S. iced drinks are particularly appreciated in the dog days of Summer (90+ degree F. temps day in and day out). In a hot environment it is critical to be well hydrated and maintain a normal body temperature to avoid heat exhaustion/stroke - which might explain our proclivity for drinks with ice. An ice cooled drink is much more efficient at cooling off a human body, than drinking a room temperature drink, and sweating. This might also explain the rank b.o. experienced in various settings - since people who drink a cold drink cool their core temperature faster and thus sweat less. Is there any scientific studies to this effect? (My empirical observations seem to support this hypothesis)
Here is what I would do:
a) Download patch(es) to one of my Linux boxen.
b) Pull plug of external network.
c) Clean-up Windoze machine as needed.
d) FTP files over to Windoze box.
e) Load patches as needed.
f) Open up external network again.
Of course, if you only have one box, then that won't work. In that case, have a Knoppix CD laying around for just such a situation:
a) Put Knoppix CD in to CD drive on your box.
b) Reboot box.
c) When Knoppix comes up, configure it to talk on the network.
d) Download patch(es) to some storage medium (burn CD, use a USB ROM storage device etc...be creative).
e) Pull plug on external network.
f) Shutdown Knoppix and reboot Windoze.
g) Clean-up Windoze machine as needed.
g) Copy files from storage medium to your Windoze partition.
h) Load patches as needed.
i) Open up external network again.
Yes...yes it is... :p
So...you are going to let 'Wired' magazine, that paragon of literacy, dictate your grammar and punctuation rules?
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!
A falling body falls at the same acceleration, regardless of mass in a vacuume.
So a one-side jellied toast would fall just as fast as a two-side jellied toast.
Of course, falling through a column of air brings aerodynamics into the equation...
Why must I have network services enabled to run any app on my computer? Additionally, some basic things - like the taskbar and windowing system - will crash if you don't have certain network services running. WTF?
This is not a glitch - it is a very stupid design. I have had many Windows apps lock-up when network connectivity is lost - which tells me the networking piece is not coded correctly (that is to say - the application should not CTD [crash to desktop] when the network is down; instead it should gracefully deal with it allowing you to save data, as a minimum, and continue working offline ideally). Sadly, developers went along for the ride - and now are having to pay for it.
Yes - I'm going to take IT advice from this company - NOT. It amazes me that such a large repository of PHDs can produce such shoddy workmanship. Then again, they are versed in the theoretical, as opposed to the practical aspects of their chosen craft.
Chalk it up as one more reason to wipe your hard drive and load Linux/BSD...
Hmmmm - I thought google just pointed to information. Also, there are alot of other people collecting information and pointers to information: Internet Archive Teoma Search etc...
Finally, if you are so worried about google controlling everything - why don't you build your own search engine and start collecting your own pointers?
It doesn't seem like the end of the world to me.
What would be bad would be having only one or a few limited sources of information - much as existed prior to the internet. Today we have much more options for finding information - now we just have to figure out good and fast ways to come to some consensus between various conflicting sources. Again, a challenge to be overcome - not the end of the world.