... prove that they are sending solicited email...
If they don't have your okay on record, they're sending you unsolicited e-mail. It just forces people who want to send legitimate commerical messages to willing recipients to keep their records in order, really.
Are you trolling or are you actually dumb enough to believe what you just said?
You are aware, I assume, that hierarchical databases are an older concept than relational databases and were ditched as far as mainstream implementation went ages ago? You are aware, I assume, that these concepts are not new - just old technology that has long been dismissed as being useful in niche situations only that's being dusted off for no apparently good reason?
You're aware, I assume, that none of the DBMSs you mentioned are truly relational, and, if they were, they wouldn't suffer from the problems that are most commonly complained about?
You are aware, I assume, of the difference between SQL and "relational *"?
You are aware, I assume, that your comment was utterly ludicrous?
No no no. I'm thinking more along the lines of mp3 players or those 50 MB thumb drives that plug into a USB port. If you're going to buy it there, why not get it right away? Venues could have kiosks with high speed connections that let you buy music right there - that way they could even sell other albums on the same label.
If you're going to include USB FOBs, why not include a second USB slot that lets you plug in a sufficiently sized USB storage device and grab it right there? Saves time downloading for us poor slobs who can't get decent broadband.
You could even get discounts for buying the album there to hel drive people to shows.
Oh wait.. I forgot that "incentive" in the RIAA's world means "buy our shit or we'll sue your ass".
I don't think I'll really miss the place. If I'm going to get conked on the head by a rock the size of Missouri, oh well (or drowned by a tidal wave caused by one or starved as a result of the kicked up dust from one or....).
It looks like they've caught on and the e-mails are being routed to Customer Service. I got this auto-response:
Thank you for contacting VeriSign Customer Service. We have received
your email and a member of our Customer Service team will be responding
to you shortly.
The upshot of this being, of course, that in meteorology one must predict temperature, winds of different altitudes, humidity, the flapping of Darl McBride's gums.. hell... everything. If a rock is flying through space, the math is pretty much in place to calculate how various massive bodies will affect trajectory and velocity and it's almost as simple as plugging the numbers into a... uh.. well.. very complex formula.
If we know that asteroid A will be flying past Jupiter at time B, then we can predict with C probability that the rock will pass within D miles of Earth at time E in the future because there's far fewer variables than in trying to predict how a storm will build and move. Barring a significant impact from another object or lousy output from a round() function, it's all in the numbers...
Shut up troll. If you actually have something to add that has any value what-so-ever show your face and back up your statements. Since none of your "points" have any basis in reality what-so-ever, I can only conclude that you're either just wasting my time or you're a complete idiot. Not to be a pot calling the kettle black, I'll respond once and only once to these idiotic statements:
Look up facsim, moron.
Noone but you mentioned caring about anti-war protestor, moron.
Iraq never attacked US, moron.
Discredited reports are not truth, moron.
PATRIOT, moron.
I don't know, it's 10 o' clock at night, moron.
Get a fucking life. There's a difference between taking sides on political issues on party lines (like stupid people like you do) and actually thinking about issues and deciding on them independant of party lines (like I do).
And, for the record, I think overall Clinton was at best mediocre. He was a two-faced lying fuck and he should've been removed for lying straight-faced to the American public - just like what should happen to Bush for the same reason.
Sigh indeed. The current populace is too utterly self-centered and stupid to even realize there's a problem. The current direction of the country literally does represent a possible shift toward a fascist state, but try finding someone under the age of thirty that even knows what facist means.
Here you have a huge list of post-WWII children who have been taught that they are the most precious thing on Earth. They have been sheltered and protected from all the bad things in the world and they do not care enough about anyone else to think about those things.
The current administration, though often characterized so, is NOT stupid. They are playing off the fears of these sniveling cowards. Anytime Bush needs to drum up support for his next assinine move, he just starts shouting about terrorists. Whether it's trying to justify attacking soveriegn nations (not that mind the overthrow of Hussein - just the lies that allowed it to happen) or trying to justify stripping American citizens of their constitutional rights, or trying to justify secret military trials - it's always about terrorism.
No, friend. Don't expect a revolution. Don't expect anything. The populace is too dumb and too greedy and they are easily molded. They will not resist and the powers will win.
Do you know what frightens me? Not terrorists, no. No, not war. Not the economy. Not criminals or the disease du'jour. No, none of those things. In the last 10 minutes at least 8 military choppers have flown over my house. What frightens me is this: I don't REALLY know WHY they're flying around.
And that surprises you? This is Bush we're talking about. He's hardly been a shining example of fairness, intelligence, and respectability so far.
A white house veto isn't necessarily the death of it though.. it can still go back for a vote and get passed if it gets a 2/3 vote in each Chamber. That bastardized version of a president we currently have isn't all powerful just yet...
Soooo.... you're saying that because the NYT claims that a handful of senile old people and some stupid consumers got scammed by a ripoff artist that can be reliably extrapolated to the population at large?
I've no doubt that this has been done in the past, and, in fact, I've heard the horror stories you're talking about, but unless these victims have no concept of the legal system, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have gotten out of it with a moderately threatening lawsuit. First, if you're stupid enough to pay "just to end it", that's your own fault. And, if there was any level of proilferation of these scams in the past, they'd quickly be recognized as exactly that: a scam. It's sort of like the "hey - we're gonna have this gathering of vendors selling TVs and DVD players for cockroach dung and half-eaten burritos". Then, when you get there, they charge you $25 to get in and it turns out they're just selling old, broken / stolen shit out of the back of a U-Haul. The AG of PA caught onto this scam pretty quick and shuts them down pretty quick now once they get a few complaints - along with a pretty nice little fine to boot.
And, like USA Today, etc. I think the NYT is a "questionable source". Like most other "news" rags in this country now-a-days, they're more interested in selling papers than reporting the news.
Again - I'm mot saying you're lying or that it's never happened - I'm just saying the odds are so low that I'll take my chances to have a little bit of fun with my harassers.
Ummm... yea. Not that I'm saying it hasn't happened to.0001% of all the people on Earth... but really. "Action News" translates almost directly into "WATCH ME NOW OR YOU'RE GONNA DIE SOME HORRIBLE HALF-IMAGINED DEATH AS A RESULT OF THIS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PEN CAP THAT EXPLODES WHEN PLACED IN A COFFEE CAN, IS COVERED WITH 40 POUNDS OF GUNPOWDER AND CAPS AND IS LIT ON FIRE!!!!!! OHMYGODNOTHEHUMANITY!!!!"
I'll take my chances. Besides, if they start billing me for shit I didn't buy I'll invoke the "$50 rule", or, if I'm billed, I'll meticulously document the fact that it all somehow wound up in the bottom of a ravine on the other side of town rather than at my doorstep.
I work in direct marketing (programming... not actually involved in any of the PHB-ish decisions, thanks - I'm clean in all aspects except association). The laws are pretty well-stacked in favor of full-disclosure yet sleazy marketing tactics (e.g. "fine print" hidden under 36pt. bold sales pitches), but if you're just sending shit out to people it's pretty hard to collect. We do "negative option" selling where people agree beforehand to get stuff unless they say otherwise. We COULD, legally, hold them responsible for any bills they incur via negative op stuff they didn't refuse beforehand, but it's such a hassle and so hard to do that we don't. Basically, if they claim they didn't get it - we can't bill them unless we can prove otherwise. And unless you send the stuff with receipt confirmation, that's near impossible. If they start sending junk to me reciept confirmation, I'll just turn it away.
It's not as easy to scam that way as you might think...
get a job that doesn't make them a public nuisance
Not only that, the whole "job-loss" thing is total bullshit. Most telemarketing is done by three types of people: high school kids, college kids, and people on the verge of welfare checks. They pay these people total shit and the benefits are usually about the same. We pay our telemarketing people an exhorbitant 7.25 an hour based on the average in the area, IIRC, and they get half the benefits everyone else here does (and yes... telemarketers really are as annoying in person as they are on the phone - everyone in the facility here absolutely despises them).
Most of these jobs could easily be replaced in places like grocery stores, etc based solely on compensation. Besides, if they're such great salespeople, there are a LOT of commisioned opps out there in department stores, car lots, etc. The whole "lost jobs" thing is true, what they don't bother to tell you is that only the TM industry loses the jobs - another industry will just pick them up anyway. It's more like "migrated jobs" than lost as far as society as a whole is concerned.
I got a call from a TM one time. They started into their rubbish so I set the phone down and walked away without a word. I came back about 5 or 6 minutes later to hang it up and realized they were just wrapping up the speil, so I listened to the last 10 seconds or so.
At the end, she said "So, which credit card can I put that on" to which I immediately replied:
"Put what on?"
SHE hung up on ME!
There's also the Discover card guy who said to me "You currently have an introductory APR of 0% on balance transfers. Do you have any cards that have better than 0% APR?" to which I calmly replied "Yes."
The whole point is that it is left to the aplplication to determine what to do with DNS errors. Besides, not only can you prevent this in MSIE through the settings, you could always get a real browser if that started to bother you. It must not bother most people, however.
What Verisign is attempting to do is hijack ALL typos for their own personal gain at the DNS level. That means that unless you start coding to recognize Verisign stupidity, you lose control over handling of the results of a DNS query in ALL applications level code. Not cool.
I'm backing him up, nitwit. Hence "And there's a reason it crashes" which references the original poster's gripe about MS SQL always crashing. Part of the reason it crashes is because it can't escalate the locks for shit. I use PostgreSQL or Firebird anytime I have the option
Read and understand the context before you flame on. Being an AC is no excuse.
And it crashes for a reason. The goddamn thing can't escalate locks properly to save its life.
Still... it's not the worst DBMS on earth. It's just like most of Microsoft's crap: not worth the price tag (at least SOME people can justify Oracle's outrageous fees).
Insightful? Give me a fucking break. I'd give you -5 Moronic if I could.
Oh, I'm sure you've already been ripped to shreds over the last 1 1/2 hours since you said this, but I can't not respond to something so utterly naive.
People who pick and choose their ethics on convenience are one thing, people who have an ethical stance on something as pointless as the constant non-issue that is SCO are idiots.
Whatever, I'm a troll, but christ - grow the hell up. If the biggest moral dillemma you ever face in your life is whether or not to call Darl McBride a donkey-nard sucking ball of dried up, fly covered horseshit, you lead a pretty easy life. Maybe it never crossed your mind, but you have to include your responsibilities in your "ethical" decisions and balance them against what you're willing to take a stand against. SCO is not an issue, so it's not worth endangering the well-being of your children over.
If you think putting your kids out on the street with no shoes, food, or future is "ethical", then by all means - go for it. While I cling desperately to my meaningless, trivial job and pick my fights a little more carefully, I'll be sure to remember your oh-so-important "ethical" stand against SCO - a company that won't even exist in the relatively near future.
What he should have said was that she wasn't doing anything wrong. There's a (sometimes huge) difference between what's right and what's legal and what's wrong and what's illegal.
There can be debate on whether it's WRONG for a 12 year old kid to download music. There is no debate on whether or not it's legal.
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I'm sorry. You've violated 86,732 sections of PATRIOT, PATRIOT II, and DMCA.
Please stay where you are. Your exectioner will be along shortly. It does not matter if you are outside the U.S. There is no outside the U.S. anymore.
Not quite the same:
If they don't have your okay on record, they're sending you unsolicited e-mail. It just forces people who want to send legitimate commerical messages to willing recipients to keep their records in order, really.
Are you trolling or are you actually dumb enough to believe what you just said?
You are aware, I assume, that hierarchical databases are an older concept than relational databases and were ditched as far as mainstream implementation went ages ago? You are aware, I assume, that these concepts are not new - just old technology that has long been dismissed as being useful in niche situations only that's being dusted off for no apparently good reason?
You're aware, I assume, that none of the DBMSs you mentioned are truly relational, and, if they were, they wouldn't suffer from the problems that are most commonly complained about?
You are aware, I assume, of the difference between SQL and "relational *"?
You are aware, I assume, that your comment was utterly ludicrous?
No no no. I'm thinking more along the lines of mp3 players or those 50 MB thumb drives that plug into a USB port. If you're going to buy it there, why not get it right away? Venues could have kiosks with high speed connections that let you buy music right there - that way they could even sell other albums on the same label.
If you're going to include USB FOBs, why not include a second USB slot that lets you plug in a sufficiently sized USB storage device and grab it right there? Saves time downloading for us poor slobs who can't get decent broadband.
You could even get discounts for buying the album there to hel drive people to shows.
Oh wait.. I forgot that "incentive" in the RIAA's world means "buy our shit or we'll sue your ass".
I don't think I'll really miss the place. If I'm going to get conked on the head by a rock the size of Missouri, oh well (or drowned by a tidal wave caused by one or starved as a result of the kicked up dust from one or....).
I e-mailed sitefinder@verisign-grs.com.
It looks like they've caught on and the e-mails are being routed to Customer Service. I got this auto-response:
Thank you for contacting VeriSign Customer Service. We have received your email and a member of our Customer Service team will be responding to you shortly.
Best Regards,
Customer Service
VeriSign, Inc.
www.verisign.com
The upshot of this being, of course, that in meteorology one must predict temperature, winds of different altitudes, humidity, the flapping of Darl McBride's gums.. hell... everything. If a rock is flying through space, the math is pretty much in place to calculate how various massive bodies will affect trajectory and velocity and it's almost as simple as plugging the numbers into a... uh.. well.. very complex formula.
If we know that asteroid A will be flying past Jupiter at time B, then we can predict with C probability that the rock will pass within D miles of Earth at time E in the future because there's far fewer variables than in trying to predict how a storm will build and move. Barring a significant impact from another object or lousy output from a round() function, it's all in the numbers...
I smell burning Karma...
Shut up troll. If you actually have something to add that has any value what-so-ever show your face and back up your statements. Since none of your "points" have any basis in reality what-so-ever, I can only conclude that you're either just wasting my time or you're a complete idiot. Not to be a pot calling the kettle black, I'll respond once and only once to these idiotic statements:
Get a fucking life. There's a difference between taking sides on political issues on party lines (like stupid people like you do) and actually thinking about issues and deciding on them independant of party lines (like I do).
And, for the record, I think overall Clinton was at best mediocre. He was a two-faced lying fuck and he should've been removed for lying straight-faced to the American public - just like what should happen to Bush for the same reason.
Idiot.
Sigh indeed. The current populace is too utterly self-centered and stupid to even realize there's a problem. The current direction of the country literally does represent a possible shift toward a fascist state, but try finding someone under the age of thirty that even knows what facist means.
Here you have a huge list of post-WWII children who have been taught that they are the most precious thing on Earth. They have been sheltered and protected from all the bad things in the world and they do not care enough about anyone else to think about those things.
The current administration, though often characterized so, is NOT stupid. They are playing off the fears of these sniveling cowards. Anytime Bush needs to drum up support for his next assinine move, he just starts shouting about terrorists. Whether it's trying to justify attacking soveriegn nations (not that mind the overthrow of Hussein - just the lies that allowed it to happen) or trying to justify stripping American citizens of their constitutional rights, or trying to justify secret military trials - it's always about terrorism.
No, friend. Don't expect a revolution. Don't expect anything. The populace is too dumb and too greedy and they are easily molded. They will not resist and the powers will win.
Do you know what frightens me? Not terrorists, no. No, not war. Not the economy. Not criminals or the disease du'jour. No, none of those things. In the last 10 minutes at least 8 military choppers have flown over my house. What frightens me is this: I don't REALLY know WHY they're flying around.
Only trouble is, he wasn't the one that was selected!
Almost half a million more people voted for Gore. At least he might have been benign...
And that surprises you? This is Bush we're talking about. He's hardly been a shining example of fairness, intelligence, and respectability so far.
A white house veto isn't necessarily the death of it though.. it can still go back for a vote and get passed if it gets a 2/3 vote in each Chamber. That bastardized version of a president we currently have isn't all powerful just yet...
It's Prel you tolrl! it doesn't wrok if you cna't selpl it rhgit to bgein whit!
How long till this gets REALLY old? Oh wait.... too late.. it was old with frist psot...
Soooo.... you're saying that because the NYT claims that a handful of senile old people and some stupid consumers got scammed by a ripoff artist that can be reliably extrapolated to the population at large?
I've no doubt that this has been done in the past, and, in fact, I've heard the horror stories you're talking about, but unless these victims have no concept of the legal system, I find it hard to believe that they couldn't have gotten out of it with a moderately threatening lawsuit. First, if you're stupid enough to pay "just to end it", that's your own fault. And, if there was any level of proilferation of these scams in the past, they'd quickly be recognized as exactly that: a scam. It's sort of like the "hey - we're gonna have this gathering of vendors selling TVs and DVD players for cockroach dung and half-eaten burritos". Then, when you get there, they charge you $25 to get in and it turns out they're just selling old, broken / stolen shit out of the back of a U-Haul. The AG of PA caught onto this scam pretty quick and shuts them down pretty quick now once they get a few complaints - along with a pretty nice little fine to boot.
And, like USA Today, etc. I think the NYT is a "questionable source". Like most other "news" rags in this country now-a-days, they're more interested in selling papers than reporting the news.
Again - I'm mot saying you're lying or that it's never happened - I'm just saying the odds are so low that I'll take my chances to have a little bit of fun with my harassers.
Ummm... yea. Not that I'm saying it hasn't happened to .0001% of all the people on Earth... but really. "Action News" translates almost directly into "WATCH ME NOW OR YOU'RE GONNA DIE SOME HORRIBLE HALF-IMAGINED DEATH AS A RESULT OF THIS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS PEN CAP THAT EXPLODES WHEN PLACED IN A COFFEE CAN, IS COVERED WITH 40 POUNDS OF GUNPOWDER AND CAPS AND IS LIT ON FIRE!!!!!! OHMYGODNOTHEHUMANITY!!!!"
I'll take my chances. Besides, if they start billing me for shit I didn't buy I'll invoke the "$50 rule", or, if I'm billed, I'll meticulously document the fact that it all somehow wound up in the bottom of a ravine on the other side of town rather than at my doorstep.
I work in direct marketing (programming... not actually involved in any of the PHB-ish decisions, thanks - I'm clean in all aspects except association). The laws are pretty well-stacked in favor of full-disclosure yet sleazy marketing tactics (e.g. "fine print" hidden under 36pt. bold sales pitches), but if you're just sending shit out to people it's pretty hard to collect. We do "negative option" selling where people agree beforehand to get stuff unless they say otherwise. We COULD, legally, hold them responsible for any bills they incur via negative op stuff they didn't refuse beforehand, but it's such a hassle and so hard to do that we don't. Basically, if they claim they didn't get it - we can't bill them unless we can prove otherwise. And unless you send the stuff with receipt confirmation, that's near impossible. If they start sending junk to me reciept confirmation, I'll just turn it away.
It's not as easy to scam that way as you might think...
You're right - it could've been the vicious beatings by his strict Catholic school marm that warped his mind.
Some people are just SO insensitive...
get a job that doesn't make them a public nuisance
Not only that, the whole "job-loss" thing is total bullshit. Most telemarketing is done by three types of people: high school kids, college kids, and people on the verge of welfare checks. They pay these people total shit and the benefits are usually about the same. We pay our telemarketing people an exhorbitant 7.25 an hour based on the average in the area, IIRC, and they get half the benefits everyone else here does (and yes... telemarketers really are as annoying in person as they are on the phone - everyone in the facility here absolutely despises them).
Most of these jobs could easily be replaced in places like grocery stores, etc based solely on compensation. Besides, if they're such great salespeople, there are a LOT of commisioned opps out there in department stores, car lots, etc. The whole "lost jobs" thing is true, what they don't bother to tell you is that only the TM industry loses the jobs - another industry will just pick them up anyway. It's more like "migrated jobs" than lost as far as society as a whole is concerned.
I got a call from a TM one time. They started into their rubbish so I set the phone down and walked away without a word. I came back about 5 or 6 minutes later to hang it up and realized they were just wrapping up the speil, so I listened to the last 10 seconds or so.
At the end, she said "So, which credit card can I put that on" to which I immediately replied:
"Put what on?"
SHE hung up on ME!
There's also the Discover card guy who said to me "You currently have an introductory APR of 0% on balance transfers. Do you have any cards that have better than 0% APR?" to which I calmly replied "Yes."
Boy did that screw up his pitch.
Soooo... you're saying I should just get a dump truck so I can run you over instead of the other way around, right? Or, maybe a Bradley?
The whole point is that it is left to the aplplication to determine what to do with DNS errors. Besides, not only can you prevent this in MSIE through the settings, you could always get a real browser if that started to bother you. It must not bother most people, however.
What Verisign is attempting to do is hijack ALL typos for their own personal gain at the DNS level. That means that unless you start coding to recognize Verisign stupidity, you lose control over handling of the results of a DNS query in ALL applications level code. Not cool.
Boy I hate when people post "retorts" AC...
I'm backing him up, nitwit. Hence "And there's a reason it crashes" which references the original poster's gripe about MS SQL always crashing. Part of the reason it crashes is because it can't escalate the locks for shit. I use PostgreSQL or Firebird anytime I have the option
Read and understand the context before you flame on. Being an AC is no excuse.
*cough*8k record limits*cough*
And it crashes for a reason. The goddamn thing can't escalate locks properly to save its life.
Still... it's not the worst DBMS on earth. It's just like most of Microsoft's crap: not worth the price tag (at least SOME people can justify Oracle's outrageous fees).
Insightful? Give me a fucking break. I'd give you -5 Moronic if I could.
Oh, I'm sure you've already been ripped to shreds over the last 1 1/2 hours since you said this, but I can't not respond to something so utterly naive.
People who pick and choose their ethics on convenience are one thing, people who have an ethical stance on something as pointless as the constant non-issue that is SCO are idiots.
Whatever, I'm a troll, but christ - grow the hell up. If the biggest moral dillemma you ever face in your life is whether or not to call Darl McBride a donkey-nard sucking ball of dried up, fly covered horseshit, you lead a pretty easy life. Maybe it never crossed your mind, but you have to include your responsibilities in your "ethical" decisions and balance them against what you're willing to take a stand against. SCO is not an issue, so it's not worth endangering the well-being of your children over.
If you think putting your kids out on the street with no shoes, food, or future is "ethical", then by all means - go for it. While I cling desperately to my meaningless, trivial job and pick my fights a little more carefully, I'll be sure to remember your oh-so-important "ethical" stand against SCO - a company that won't even exist in the relatively near future.
They're actually claiming millions of lines now.
Basically, just take whatever you think it is, and multiply it by a thousand to get the latest claim.
What he should have said was that she wasn't doing anything wrong. There's a (sometimes huge) difference between what's right and what's legal and what's wrong and what's illegal.
There can be debate on whether it's WRONG for a 12 year old kid to download music. There is no debate on whether or not it's legal.