Though they could attract even more people to the theater if they would lower their prices on food (I know, they get most of their cash from the food), enhance their sound systems and make sure they're projecting the film at the optimum brightness etc etc.
I would even agree to draconian stormtroopers waiting in the wings to drag out anyone that is talking during the movie. lol
Why are actors paid $50,000,000 for doing a film instead of, say, $50,000 or $200,000? It's just acting. It's not like they're risking their life or health. I think we're at the start of a trend which will end up with people who work in industries where copying is a problem being paid less, and people who actually provide something useful to society, such as teachers, nurses, etc getting paid more.
Not all movies are like this though. And the people that put up the money for movies are not doing so out of the kindness of their heart. They would like to see a profit so they can turn around and make another movie.
For instance, the Lord of the Rings trilogy cost a lot of money to make, but it's all up there on the screen. The actors didn't get 20 mil a piece to do it either. I suppose they could have done the movies ala "Our Town": no sets, no costumes, no FX to speak of...just a barely lit stage against black with the actors simply acting their lines with a voice-over that tells the action. Yeah...Tolkein come to life!
And art isn't useful to society? I beg to differ. Art can enoble society. Can enlighten. Can cause discussion and (gasp) dialog with our fellow humans! Sure, 90% of movies out there today couldn't be considered "art", but there are some out there that are. Collabrative artform.
I suppose people will start justifing downloading movies like they do music. "the movies coming out today suck, so I'm not paying for it...but I'll download it".
"Actors/directors/producers/cinematographers/ makeup/wardrobe/sound/fx/grips/best boys/art dept/ have to understand they won't get money now from movies and DVD's, they'll have to get it from performing live gigs". Wow...sounds pretty stupid when I put it that way...huh?
They are getting more and more insane with their claims. And they're shouting quite a bit at a lot of different sources.
I still think their main focus is hoping to be bought out by IBM or other large Open Source corporation...just to shut them up.
Why else would they be acting so bizzare? Do they REALLY think they're going to gain back the Unix market this way? They're making public every little thing they do...including this little lobbying thing...for the world to see.
It's like they're screaming "stop us before we do more harm! we want to be caught! buy us out to end our insanity!"
I kinda wish that IBM would buy them out now, to make this all go away. I'm sick of it.
Can you pick up a film camera made 100 years ago and run current film through it? No, you'd have to find special stuff.
Actually, you CAN pick up a camera and run current film through it. View cameras are still out there. View cameras from back then still work. Throw a film holder holding 4x5 or 8x10 sheet film...both color or b&w...and you've got yourself a picture.
Then lenses you could use also, but the ones today have the better coatings on it so flare is reduced quite a bit.
So it's ok to commit atrocities so long as you don't cover them up?
So it's ok to turn a blind eye on a country that actually does commit atrocities in the world...and document it as a feather in their caps? I know the reasons they gave for going in there were bullshit, and I opposed the war. But what I DON'T oppose is taking out Saddam. Or should we have done nothing? What would YOU have done? It's easy to condemn, yet I've yet to see any solutions from you. What about Korea? What about the terrorists? Or are you so deluded that you're one of those people that think that the government was behind 9/11 so they could gain more control?
So the people in charge aren't in charge? The government is not responsible for the government's actions? Do you realize how little sense you're making?
You know what I ment. The people making the policy are trying to get re-elected and they act tough on certain things. Back in the days when these idiot drug laws came into being, the country was so close to tipping over into chaos, that many people blamed the long-haired hippy drug users on so much(I know, there were more factors than this, but this was a big one). Before the late 1960s, many of these drugs were legal. Straight laced white America ruled. Blacks couldn't even register to vote in many Southern states. Look how far we've come in just 35 years. Martin Luther King's birthday is a national Holiday for one...I know, a small thing but this would have been unheard of back in the 60's. The idiot drug laws came from this era, and as I said, we're slowly...very slowly, trying to get out of that. My best friends son was busted for smoking pot 2 months ago...back in the 70's he would be in prison now because he had an ounce on him. He got drug rehab. No lawyer making a deal either. It was my friend and his son in front of that judge. Lucky? Maybe.
But this discussion, while thought provoking, isn't really changing your mind nor mine.
I know rich people who didn't start out rich though. They got rich because they worked hard and got that way. They worked regular jobs, set aside a little money...invested it here and there. Kept working and retired on a nice nest-egg. Not rich as in Bill Gates rich...but rich as in not having to worry about money anymore.
They didn't blame someone else for their lives either as some people seem to make a career of.
Though I know there are lots of Paris Hiltons out there.
Oh, so what are you saying? That the country is going down the tubes?
Fugitive Slave Act - when was this? 3 centurys ago?
Trail of Tears - 1838...quite a while ago. Can you really blame the people in charge today for this? Can you really blame anyone alive? We know what happened though, it's in the history books. We're not trying to cover it up. Everyone knows about it, many many feel bad on how we treated the natives. Not much we can do about it now though. Feeling guilty and blaming things on things 100s of years ago is kind of pointless.
Prohibition - Is that still around? Didn't think so.
Locking up Americans of Japanese ancestry - yes, this was barbaric. But notice that they've learned from old mistakes? Do we have concentration camps filled with Americans who are Arab ancestry or are muslim? Kassy Kasum should watch out!!!
I could go on.
Also, the pre-emptive ware based on lies is out there. People talk about it too. It's not covered up. The Bush White-house is under fire for this. If this was the monsterous dictator that people seem to think he is, he would stop the media. He would stop people like you and me writing about it freely. But the War is going to be a major campain sticking point for the upcoming elections.
As for the war on drugs...it's wrong. I agree. But is it the people in charge that do that? No, it's little old ladies in Virginia that complain about it and want this and that and how drugs are bad and they don't want heroin blah blah blah. But slowly...very very slowly...we are treating drug addiction more as a disease than as a crime. Yes, millions are still in prison just for using. But millions more never see prison at all for using. It's not a perfect system, that's for sure. But hopefully we'll get there. It takes time. For everyone out there that thinks that drugs should be legal and people are exercising private choices about their bodies, there are people that think the opposite. Average people.
And I'm not really fortunate as you said. I'm average. Everyone I know or have met are where they are because of what THEY do.
It's good to be a skeptic. I'm a skeptic. I can't stand Bush and I didn't vote for him. I won't vote for him again. But I'm also not hiding under the covers or looking for Men in Black either like some people do.
Also, notice that as I write this, or you write what you want in rebuttle there are no people breaking down our doors to silence us?
Oh give me a break. How is this advancing Bush's warmongering? The fricken thing won't even be complete until WELL after he's out of office. There will be SO many people that have left office, died or retired by then.
Why must everything be bad for you people? Why do you see black helecopters, conspiracy and decite everywhere? What have they done to you? How has your life changed? I'm almost 42 years old and I can tell you, my life hasn't changed one iota in that last 42 years at all unless I personally change it. The government hasn't done anything TO me or FOR me.
Such people also think beta lost to VHS despite being better - it didn't.
Ah, so I could walk into any store and buy a movie on Beta? Can even buy a Beta blank tape in like Target or Walmart? Beta lost to VHS, plain and simple. It's a fact. We're talking about the consumer VCR world here, which is what everyone is talking about when they say that Beta lost.
Of course, VHS and Beta (which used to be big in production/news...but this was a different format used in Betacams, not the consumer VCR machines) are falling by the wayside for Digital Video cameras and DVDs.
that wasn't my point really. My point is that you're not going to keep that digital camera for 20-30 years like you could a Leica since the newer film cameras are still using the same exact film type that a Leica used. And some very good photographers swear by Leicas whose designs are very old. No, they're not the norm of course.
There are some fine art photographers that use film.
For instance, there is nothing to compare to a platinum or paladium contact print from an 8x10 or 11x14 film sheet. I know, it's a nitch area...but this can also be a selling point for a photographer.
For instance, purchasing a print that was made the old fashion way can make it worth more. Also, a platinum print will last forever as long as you take care of the paper it's printed on.
I know that digital is here to stay, but I've yet to see a camera that can last as long as a film camera. For example, a digital camera bought just 2 years ago is almost unsupported and is very outclassed by newer and cheaper cameras. Yet, I could pick up a Leica made 50 years ago and still run film through it! I know several photographers that have cameras passed down to them from their parents/grandparents. Who's going to pass down their Canon G5 20 years from now?
Also, with film, you can pick up an Ansel Adams negative made 80 years ago and make a print from it. How will archiving last that long for digital? CDROM? Isn't the lifespan of a CD only like 20 years at best? You'll have to keep updating your pictures to newer and newer media. They still haven't gotten around that yet.
...when do you actually do stuff on your machine? apart from upgrading and watching tentacle-porn I mean.
Don't know what "tentecle-porn" is...but sounds interesting.
I work all the time on my machine. To upgrade a kernel takes all of 5 minutes...including boot time. And I've only upgraded from test9 like 3 times in the last 2 months...so 15 minutes to upgrade per 2 months. Wow, yes, I can see where you would think I would not have any time left to do anything.
Of course, you also could just be an anonymous coward troll...nah.
wow, in all the years I worked in the pre-press field I never ever once used color calibration nor colour profiles. Not once.
We scan, make a Kodak Approval or similar proof (depending on what the customer/pressmen wanted), looked at it in a light booth, went back and made adjustments...taking readings here and there and using curves and masks to color correct areas, then made a final proof. The customer would then look at it, approve it or want more adjustments. etc etc.
So to say that you wouldn't get far in printing without profiles is kinda wrong. We saw them mainly as a crutch to people that simply didn't understand color, and generally ran circles around them in terms of speed and accuracy.
I live in Michigan. To kind of show you how the theaters here are I drove 2.5 hours to Chicago to watch RotK.
Watching movies here at any of the theaters is like watching one with sunglasses on. You can barely work out that there are moving images being projected. It's really that bad. They also don't really care when you try to complain. TURN THE BULB ON THE PROJECTOR UP!
Linux World: "Oh, hey, just type 'aterm -e mplayer -playlist/home/luser/music/playlist -shuffle' to play some music on random.
Windows/Mac world: "Oh Hey, just select 'all songs', click shuffle then play to play some music on random"
Actually, I just typed that once and bound it to a button. I click on the button and it runs it. That's it. Very low memory, very low CPU usage.
But then again, for the less computer savy out there, they could just select 'all songs' and click shuffle then play to play some music. You can do it either way.
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Who was the idiot moderator that modded this a troll? How is this a troll?
I don't agree with people downloading movies because it may be bad for the industry...so I'm a troll? I don't get it.
What gives?
Actors performing live? That's just silly! How would they put in the special effects and CGI?
It's obvious you didn't get my comparison to "Our Town" and LOtR.
The stage is totally different experience. How would you stage the battle of Minas Tirith on the stage and make it awe inspiring?
Granted, if someone pulled that off, I'd love to see it. lol
This makes sense.
Though they could attract even more people to the theater if they would lower their prices on food (I know, they get most of their cash from the food), enhance their sound systems and make sure they're projecting the film at the optimum brightness etc etc.
I would even agree to draconian stormtroopers waiting in the wings to drag out anyone that is talking during the movie. lol
Why are actors paid $50,000,000 for doing a film instead of, say, $50,000 or $200,000? It's just acting. It's not like they're risking their life or health. I think we're at the start of a trend which will end up with people who work in industries where copying is a problem being paid less, and people who actually provide something useful to society, such as teachers, nurses, etc getting paid more.
Not all movies are like this though. And the people that put up the money for movies are not doing so out of the kindness of their heart. They would like to see a profit so they can turn around and make another movie.
For instance, the Lord of the Rings trilogy cost a lot of money to make, but it's all up there on the screen. The actors didn't get 20 mil a piece to do it either. I suppose they could have done the movies ala "Our Town": no sets, no costumes, no FX to speak of...just a barely lit stage against black with the actors simply acting their lines with a voice-over that tells the action. Yeah...Tolkein come to life!
And art isn't useful to society? I beg to differ. Art can enoble society. Can enlighten. Can cause discussion and (gasp) dialog with our fellow humans! Sure, 90% of movies out there today couldn't be considered "art", but there are some out there that are. Collabrative artform.
I suppose people will start justifing downloading movies like they do music. "the movies coming out today suck, so I'm not paying for it...but I'll download it".
"Actors/directors/producers/cinematographers/ makeup/wardrobe/sound/fx/grips/best boys/art dept/ have to understand they won't get money now from movies and DVD's, they'll have to get it from performing live gigs". Wow...sounds pretty stupid when I put it that way...huh?
They are getting more and more insane with their claims. And they're shouting quite a bit at a lot of different sources.
I still think their main focus is hoping to be bought out by IBM or other large Open Source corporation...just to shut them up.
Why else would they be acting so bizzare? Do they REALLY think they're going to gain back the Unix market this way? They're making public every little thing they do...including this little lobbying thing...for the world to see.
It's like they're screaming "stop us before we do more harm! we want to be caught! buy us out to end our insanity!"
I kinda wish that IBM would buy them out now, to make this all go away. I'm sick of it.
I mean, couple of buckets of paint, a few weekends with your drinkin buddies...you could have that thing fixered up in no time!
I used to live around there. I lived in Gloucester, Va....very small town when I was growing up.
Grew up on a farm there...like half a mile from the Mill Pond and the Roller Rink.
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Can you pick up a film camera made 100 years ago and run current film through it? No, you'd have to find special stuff.
Actually, you CAN pick up a camera and run current film through it. View cameras are still out there. View cameras from back then still work. Throw a film holder holding 4x5 or 8x10 sheet film...both color or b&w...and you've got yourself a picture.
Then lenses you could use also, but the ones today have the better coatings on it so flare is reduced quite a bit.
So it's ok to commit atrocities so long as you don't cover them up?
So it's ok to turn a blind eye on a country that actually does commit atrocities in the world...and document it as a feather in their caps? I know the reasons they gave for going in there were bullshit, and I opposed the war. But what I DON'T oppose is taking out Saddam. Or should we have done nothing? What would YOU have done? It's easy to condemn, yet I've yet to see any solutions from you. What about Korea? What about the terrorists? Or are you so deluded that you're one of those people that think that the government was behind 9/11 so they could gain more control?
So the people in charge aren't in charge? The government is not responsible for the government's actions? Do you realize how little sense you're making?
You know what I ment. The people making the policy are trying to get re-elected and they act tough on certain things. Back in the days when these idiot drug laws came into being, the country was so close to tipping over into chaos, that many people blamed the long-haired hippy drug users on so much(I know, there were more factors than this, but this was a big one). Before the late 1960s, many of these drugs were legal. Straight laced white America ruled. Blacks couldn't even register to vote in many Southern states. Look how far we've come in just 35 years. Martin Luther King's birthday is a national Holiday for one...I know, a small thing but this would have been unheard of back in the 60's. The idiot drug laws came from this era, and as I said, we're slowly...very slowly, trying to get out of that. My best friends son was busted for smoking pot 2 months ago...back in the 70's he would be in prison now because he had an ounce on him. He got drug rehab. No lawyer making a deal either. It was my friend and his son in front of that judge. Lucky? Maybe.
But this discussion, while thought provoking, isn't really changing your mind nor mine.
I know rich people who didn't start out rich though. They got rich because they worked hard and got that way. They worked regular jobs, set aside a little money...invested it here and there. Kept working and retired on a nice nest-egg. Not rich as in Bill Gates rich...but rich as in not having to worry about money anymore.
They didn't blame someone else for their lives either as some people seem to make a career of.
Though I know there are lots of Paris Hiltons out there.
Oh, so what are you saying? That the country is going down the tubes?
Fugitive Slave Act - when was this? 3 centurys ago?
Trail of Tears - 1838...quite a while ago. Can you really blame the people in charge today for this? Can you really blame anyone alive? We know what happened though, it's in the history books. We're not trying to cover it up. Everyone knows about it, many many feel bad on how we treated the natives. Not much we can do about it now though. Feeling guilty and blaming things on things 100s of years ago is kind of pointless.
Prohibition - Is that still around? Didn't think so.
Locking up Americans of Japanese ancestry - yes, this was barbaric. But notice that they've learned from old mistakes? Do we have concentration camps filled with Americans who are Arab ancestry or are muslim? Kassy Kasum should watch out!!!
I could go on.
Also, the pre-emptive ware based on lies is out there. People talk about it too. It's not covered up. The Bush White-house is under fire for this. If this was the monsterous dictator that people seem to think he is, he would stop the media. He would stop people like you and me writing about it freely. But the War is going to be a major campain sticking point for the upcoming elections.
As for the war on drugs...it's wrong. I agree. But is it the people in charge that do that? No, it's little old ladies in Virginia that complain about it and want this and that and how drugs are bad and they don't want heroin blah blah blah. But slowly...very very slowly...we are treating drug addiction more as a disease than as a crime. Yes, millions are still in prison just for using. But millions more never see prison at all for using. It's not a perfect system, that's for sure. But hopefully we'll get there. It takes time. For everyone out there that thinks that drugs should be legal and people are exercising private choices about their bodies, there are people that think the opposite. Average people.
And I'm not really fortunate as you said. I'm average. Everyone I know or have met are where they are because of what THEY do.
It's good to be a skeptic. I'm a skeptic. I can't stand Bush and I didn't vote for him. I won't vote for him again. But I'm also not hiding under the covers or looking for Men in Black either like some people do.
Also, notice that as I write this, or you write what you want in rebuttle there are no people breaking down our doors to silence us?
not sure of what you position was on my post? You agree or disagree with me? lol.
I agree with the things you wrote here btw.
Oh give me a break. How is this advancing Bush's warmongering? The fricken thing won't even be complete until WELL after he's out of office. There will be SO many people that have left office, died or retired by then.
Why must everything be bad for you people? Why do you see black helecopters, conspiracy and decite everywhere? What have they done to you? How has your life changed? I'm almost 42 years old and I can tell you, my life hasn't changed one iota in that last 42 years at all unless I personally change it. The government hasn't done anything TO me or FOR me.
Such people also think beta lost to VHS despite being better - it didn't.
Ah, so I could walk into any store and buy a movie on Beta? Can even buy a Beta blank tape in like Target or Walmart? Beta lost to VHS, plain and simple. It's a fact. We're talking about the consumer VCR world here, which is what everyone is talking about when they say that Beta lost.
Of course, VHS and Beta (which used to be big in production/news...but this was a different format used in Betacams, not the consumer VCR machines) are falling by the wayside for Digital Video cameras and DVDs.
that wasn't my point really. My point is that you're not going to keep that digital camera for 20-30 years like you could a Leica since the newer film cameras are still using the same exact film type that a Leica used. And some very good photographers swear by Leicas whose designs are very old. No, they're not the norm of course.
There are some fine art photographers that use film.
For instance, there is nothing to compare to a platinum or paladium contact print from an 8x10 or 11x14 film sheet. I know, it's a nitch area...but this can also be a selling point for a photographer.
For instance, purchasing a print that was made the old fashion way can make it worth more. Also, a platinum print will last forever as long as you take care of the paper it's printed on.
I know that digital is here to stay, but I've yet to see a camera that can last as long as a film camera. For example, a digital camera bought just 2 years ago is almost unsupported and is very outclassed by newer and cheaper cameras. Yet, I could pick up a Leica made 50 years ago and still run film through it! I know several photographers that have cameras passed down to them from their parents/grandparents. Who's going to pass down their Canon G5 20 years from now?
Also, with film, you can pick up an Ansel Adams negative made 80 years ago and make a print from it. How will archiving last that long for digital? CDROM? Isn't the lifespan of a CD only like 20 years at best? You'll have to keep updating your pictures to newer and newer media. They still haven't gotten around that yet.
Just things to think about...
apart from upgrading and watching tentacle-porn I mean.
Don't know what "tentecle-porn" is...but sounds interesting.
I work all the time on my machine. To upgrade a kernel takes all of 5 minutes...including boot time. And I've only upgraded from test9 like 3 times in the last 2 months...so 15 minutes to upgrade per 2 months. Wow, yes, I can see where you would think I would not have any time left to do anything.
Of course, you also could just be an anonymous coward troll...nah.
Been playing with 2.6 since test9 and been upgrading the kernel since.
They keep on top of things with Gentoo.
wow, in all the years I worked in the pre-press field I never ever once used color calibration nor colour profiles. Not once.
We scan, make a Kodak Approval or similar proof (depending on what the customer/pressmen wanted), looked at it in a light booth, went back and made adjustments...taking readings here and there and using curves and masks to color correct areas, then made a final proof. The customer would then look at it, approve it or want more adjustments. etc etc.
So to say that you wouldn't get far in printing without profiles is kinda wrong. We saw them mainly as a crutch to people that simply didn't understand color, and generally ran circles around them in terms of speed and accuracy.
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It's the area I live in...it's just crap here. I suppose if I drove to Kalamazoo or South Bend it might be better. But I know the Chicago area better.
But where I'm at it just horrible.
I live in Michigan. To kind of show you how the theaters here are I drove 2.5 hours to Chicago to watch RotK.
Watching movies here at any of the theaters is like watching one with sunglasses on. You can barely work out that there are moving images being projected. It's really that bad. They also don't really care when you try to complain. TURN THE BULB ON THE PROJECTOR UP!
I hate this state...but I love my family.
Linux World: "Oh, hey, just type 'aterm -e mplayer -playlist /home/luser/music/playlist -shuffle' to play some music on random.
Windows/Mac world: "Oh Hey, just select 'all songs', click shuffle then play to play some music on random"
Actually, I just typed that once and bound it to a button. I click on the button and it runs it. That's it. Very low memory, very low CPU usage.
But then again, for the less computer savy out there, they could just select 'all songs' and click shuffle then play to play some music. You can do it either way.
I see what you mean, but I listen to my music more as a backdrop/radio station type thing. Just random music playing in the background.
If I want to hear a specific song, I just use rox to find the file and click on it to fire up mplayer to play it.
But I know where you're coming from.