In the 90s I had a totally awesome Psion tablet, I could write Perl on the train it was totally rad.
I used to work as an engineer at Psion. Great though they were, the Organisers certainly weren't tablets. They were essentially mini laptops. In fact if you went into the canteen at Psion HQ, you'd see a display case of prototype devices, including the original device that became the Series 3... which was a full size laptop. Just like Apple with the iPhone, they'd started R&D on a full size device, then decided there was a bigger market for a pocket size version.
Until the Series 5 they didn't even have touch screens. And once they did, they used a stylus as a PC would use a mouse. Quite different from the direct manipulation of modern day tablets.
And the 1980s Organisers, again, innovative though they were, weren't tablets. They were essentially programmable calculators.
Thanks for bringing up Psion, but they are not prior art for tablets.
Sure, Palm was a trend setter in mobile a generation before Apple. But the difference isn't just the size. Apple's innovation was to make it a finger operated rather than a stylus operated. And to follow that through into a direct manipulation e.g. scrolling by swiping rather than scroll bars.
Not that the iPad actually provided anything to even copy as it was just a blown up version of iOS
Which shows that you haven't actually used both an iPad and an iPhone. Unlike with Android, their interfaces are very different, as befits their different sizes.
HDMI is the first thing that comes to mind as it's the one thing that every TV in nearly every house has. Nearly every house has a HDMI cable too. Nearly every monitor can be connected to HDMI via an adapter of some sort.
You seem to be generalising from your own experience. Most people don't renew their TVs that often.
Apple devices are largely for those that don't want to or need to do as much as more "nerdier" solutions, similar in a way that a Fischer-Price toy is more appropriate for a toddler than a real cell phone.
Similar to the way a Fischer-Price toy is more appropriate for a toddler than cheap crap from China. A brand that people trust. Funnily enough Fischer-Price is part of Mattell, based in California, and the market leader in toys. Quite a lot in common indeed.
Also, you have to keep in mind that the Android OS was not adapted for tablets until relatively recently... much later than the release of iOS tablets.
Well of course. The Android Tablet engineers needed something to copy.
Just like the nano, the mini and the shuffle cannibalised the iPod sales? And yet Apple dominated the MO3 player market right through. And grew to be a huge company from it. Not a single real-live "iPod Killer" emerged, despite 100s of contenders to the crown.
Now, remind me. Who's the market share leader in tablets again? Oh yes Apple is. Not only market share leader, but bigger than all the other manufacturers added together.
In it's results Apple doesn't break down individual models within families for any of it's product lines. Never has. And I don't know of a company that does.
You're right, Apple only hurts themselves every time they sell a Mini.
Snicker! You really don't understand business. Apple has always been it's own best competitor. e.g. releasing the iPod mini, nano and shuffle to undercut their existing iPod lines. This changed them from a company on the rocks to the worlds highest market cap in about a decade and a half.
Undoubtably Apple makes more profit on every iPad, whether 10" or 7" than ANY company makes on any Android tablet. Now *who's* hurting themselves?
Future Shop is discounting iPad 4 and iPhone 5 for the holiday season.
And there again your logic fails you. Android device's are discounted all the time, everywhere you look. So how is this a sign of problems for them and not Android?
Now Its PC [I should say Mac] sales are down, Its iPod sales are gone [last quarter], Its Smartphones and tablets are suffering [its hurting them in their profit margins] from losing market share, as he market matures they have all the earlier adopter money. Now tablets have another problem...and its not that the iPad mini is selling badly, its *replacing* sales of iPad 4, which is going to hurt its profit margin yet again.
You're believing what the music industry marketers claim?
I followed a link from TFA, and whilst I wouldn't trust this lot either, it does seem to confirm that the truth is that scammers are having their videos deleted by YouTube.
Occam's Razor says those disappeared music industry videos were also deleted by YouTube, not by the music industry themselves. Of course the music industry use black hat techniques to bump their view counts. You really thought they didn't?
It's not marketing hype. It's a very much stronger glass, and it's called Gorilla glass.
And comparing it to even crummier products is faint praise indeed.
Other than Androids, what would you compare it with?
Riiiiiight... Durability and maintainability have nothing to do with industrial design. It is you who is showing his ignorance, fanboi.
I didn't say that. Of course it's part of industrial design. But you were trying to use it in defence of your opinion on form over function, and it has nothing to do with that.
"Design language or overall synthesis in essence"
You take part of one sentence and run it into the beginning of another. The result is nonsense. You're really confused. And didn't RTFA.
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With 700,000 apps on the App Store, you can only keep that point of view if you have your head buried firmly where the sun don't shine.
It is what it is. If you start only believing the ones that favour Android, what does that make you?
In the 90s I had a totally awesome Psion tablet, I could write Perl on the train it was totally rad.
I used to work as an engineer at Psion. Great though they were, the Organisers certainly weren't tablets. They were essentially mini laptops. In fact if you went into the canteen at Psion HQ, you'd see a display case of prototype devices, including the original device that became the Series 3... which was a full size laptop. Just like Apple with the iPhone, they'd started R&D on a full size device, then decided there was a bigger market for a pocket size version.
Until the Series 5 they didn't even have touch screens. And once they did, they used a stylus as a PC would use a mouse. Quite different from the direct manipulation of modern day tablets.
And the 1980s Organisers, again, innovative though they were, weren't tablets. They were essentially programmable calculators.
Thanks for bringing up Psion, but they are not prior art for tablets.
Sure, Palm was a trend setter in mobile a generation before Apple. But the difference isn't just the size. Apple's innovation was to make it a finger operated rather than a stylus operated. And to follow that through into a direct manipulation e.g. scrolling by swiping rather than scroll bars.
Not that the iPad actually provided anything to even copy as it was just a blown up version of iOS
Which shows that you haven't actually used both an iPad and an iPhone. Unlike with Android, their interfaces are very different, as befits their different sizes.
Is Egypt not in enough trouble already?
You're just making yourself look dumber by the minute.
Showed everyone how wrong you are.
I know what he intended. Doesn't change the fact that his misunderstanding of the term means that his comment made no sense.
The question is what went *right* with the iPod that made it so resilient against competitors...and what is so *wrong* with the iPhone and iPad.
That's the iPad that is not only the market share leader, it outsells all the rest of the tablets added together.
And the iPhone, which whilst never being the market leader, made Apple the biggest company in the world.
Again, you're an idiot.
I'd go further the iPhone was the "iPod Killer"... The reality is the "iPod killer"....was the Android Smartphone.
An idiot that can't even keep his stupid theories consistent within a single post.
If you want something the mother in law can figure out, you buy an iPad.
HDMI is the first thing that comes to mind as it's the one thing that every TV in nearly every house has. Nearly every house has a HDMI cable too. Nearly every monitor can be connected to HDMI via an adapter of some sort.
You seem to be generalising from your own experience. Most people don't renew their TVs that often.
You haven't put any numbers to be refuted. Just some empty claims, which are indeed refuted by examining the company results. Which I've linked to.
As usual, your bullshit stinks to high heaven.
Well it'll also work with Windows PCs. It's just non-Apple mobile devices that are SOL.
...seriously are you kidding me, Steve Jobs was simply wrong.
With the market leading tablet. A device that created an new product category, and turned PCs to decline.
You're an idiot.
Apple devices are largely for those that don't want to or need to do as much as more "nerdier" solutions, similar in a way that a Fischer-Price toy is more appropriate for a toddler than a real cell phone.
Similar to the way a Fischer-Price toy is more appropriate for a toddler than cheap crap from China. A brand that people trust. Funnily enough Fischer-Price is part of Mattell, based in California, and the market leader in toys. Quite a lot in common indeed.
Apple is undercutting a higher priced current product with a lower priced obsolete product.
Turns out you don't understand what obsolete means either.
Nope. I work at a very MAC centric company. I'd guess that 80% of us use MAC hardware.
I doubt it. Otherwise you'd know they are Macs, not MACs.
(Or indeed Apples, given that you're including iPads.)
Also, you have to keep in mind that the Android OS was not adapted for tablets until relatively recently... much later than the release of iOS tablets.
Well of course. The Android Tablet engineers needed something to copy.
Just like the nano, the mini and the shuffle cannibalised the iPod sales? And yet Apple dominated the MO3 player market right through. And grew to be a huge company from it. Not a single real-live "iPod Killer" emerged, despite 100s of contenders to the crown.
Now, remind me. Who's the market share leader in tablets again? Oh yes Apple is. Not only market share leader, but bigger than all the other manufacturers added together.
In it's results Apple doesn't break down individual models within families for any of it's product lines. Never has. And I don't know of a company that does.
You're right, Apple only hurts themselves every time they sell a Mini.
Snicker! You really don't understand business. Apple has always been it's own best competitor. e.g. releasing the iPod mini, nano and shuffle to undercut their existing iPod lines. This changed them from a company on the rocks to the worlds highest market cap in about a decade and a half.
Undoubtably Apple makes more profit on every iPad, whether 10" or 7" than ANY company makes on any Android tablet. Now *who's* hurting themselves?
Future Shop is discounting iPad 4 and iPhone 5 for the holiday season.
And there again your logic fails you. Android device's are discounted all the time, everywhere you look. So how is this a sign of problems for them and not Android?
Now Its PC [I should say Mac] sales are down, Its iPod sales are gone [last quarter], Its Smartphones and tablets are suffering [its hurting them in their profit margins] from losing market share, as he market matures they have all the earlier adopter money. Now tablets have another problem...and its not that the iPad mini is selling badly, its *replacing* sales of iPad 4, which is going to hurt its profit margin yet again.
Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong.
Truth here:
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/10/25Apple-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-Results.html
You're believing what the music industry marketers claim?
I followed a link from TFA, and whilst I wouldn't trust this lot either, it does seem to confirm that the truth is that scammers are having their videos deleted by YouTube.
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/youtube/513696-youtube-changed-game.html
Occam's Razor says those disappeared music industry videos were also deleted by YouTube, not by the music industry themselves. Of course the music industry use black hat techniques to bump their view counts. You really thought they didn't?
Spare me the marketing hype please.
It's not marketing hype. It's a very much stronger glass, and it's called Gorilla glass.
And comparing it to even crummier products is faint praise indeed.
Other than Androids, what would you compare it with?
Riiiiiight... Durability and maintainability have nothing to do with industrial design. It is you who is showing his ignorance, fanboi.
I didn't say that. Of course it's part of industrial design. But you were trying to use it in defence of your opinion on form over function, and it has nothing to do with that.
"Design language or overall synthesis in essence"
You take part of one sentence and run it into the beginning of another. The result is nonsense. You're really confused. And didn't RTFA.
since the last report I saw in july...
Which would cover the period just before the iPhone 5 came out. That's why.