A FAQ is not quite the same as a fact. My alarm installer told me the same thing when he installed motion sensors
The information from the person who designed the device is rather more trustworthy than from some guy in a boiler suit. If it's a FAQ answer, that is indeed the way it works.
It's simple as long as you trust the thermostat to know your patterns better than you do.
Thats not the question. The question is whether after learning it reflects your behaviour better than the settings you programmed into your old thermostat - which may be out of date. And whether you'd prefer to be relieved of the chore of setting the thermostat program every time your shedule changes.
Or maybe different people live in different homes, so one product doesn't work everywhere?
An AC said it best: HI, I'm Clippy, I couldn't help but notice you where typing a rant that makes it obvious that you are not the target demographic for this product. Would you like me to erase what you wrote so that you can save us all from seeing that you don't get it? [n/Y]:
"No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame." Huh?
Required knowledge for a slashdotter! Google is your friend. Aw never mind, here you go: http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod That's the founder of this site, similarly not being able to get his head round the significance of a new product.
According to the developers of Nest, 90% of programmable thermostats aren't programmed properly. Maybe you're in the 10% and wouldn't benefit. That doesn't mean it's not a good product for many of the 90%.
Just one thing: "Given that we start and leave work at various different and largely random times during the week it has no chance in hell of getting its guesses right except by luck."
On feature of Nest might be an improvement for you then. You can set the temperature remotely from computer or smartphone. When you're about to head home on one of your unpredictable days, you can make sure the temperature is set for your comfort. And that may also mean you can make it a more uncomfortable (but cheaper) temperature whilst you're out, knowing that you won't come home to it.
No it doesn't. In fact right at the start of the animation you see what are obviously different people's hands adjusting it. Existing programmable thermostats assume one person in control. Or at least solely cater for the last person to alter it. Nest appears to be more democratic. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on your household!
Or does it learn how long it takes me to get dressed and walk from the bedroom to the thermostat?
If it's occurred to you in the few minutes between learning about the device and posting here, why would you imagine that it hasn't occurred to them? There's no reason why it can't work out which is the morning increase, and assume that in future you want that temperature 10 minutes earlier in the day, or 5, or 20, depending on what their research in the field has found to be satisfactory for most people.
And if it uses motion sensors to decide whether or not I'm home, it's either going to think I'm never home since I don't go past the thermostat much in my day-to-day activities, or it's going to think I'm always home when it senses the dog going to her food dish.
They say the best place for thermostat is in a hallway. People should be passing that from time to time. But they do say to turn it down yourself hen leaving and up when you return, at least for the first week, to give it a good start on working out your patterns.
And placed at the normal thermostat height, the detector isn't set off by dogs. That's a FAQ.
I'd much rather have a thermostat with an easy to use UI than something that tries to be smart.
I've never seen an easier UI than this one. There's only one control and that's a temperature dial. Personally I'd far prefer one that's smart.
I don't see how a thermostat on a wall can do a good job.
Ah well, if you can't see it, then obviously it doesn't work.
Oh no! Save us from the evil of accurately targeted advertisements! What chance would we have if someone showed us adverts for products that might actually interest us!
I have to say this looks like a great use of technology. Keeps people comfortable, saves money, reduces fuel use, good for the environment. OK, it's expensive up front, but it'll pay for itself before long.
Cold person irrationally turns thermostat up to 80. Angry frugal person retaliates by turning down to 50. Repeat 20x/day.
Ah, but the thermostat also has the information of what the temperature actually is when they turn the dial. Cold person turns it up at temp X, frugal person turns it down at temp Y. X is too cold, Y is too warm. Good compromise temperature is between X and Y. 80 & 50 are irrelevant.
The whole point of this rethink is to look at heuristics like that. Not just to learn, but to be intelligent about it.
Educate yourself. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing Not just the first paragraph. And don't just skim it. There are also documentaries about the myth of brainwashing that you might want to look out for.
And no, hypnotism is a different thing from brainwashing. And is itself mostly bunk. Stage hypnotism? Bunk. Past lives? Bunk. A good way to stop smoking? Bunk.
Of course a lot of people like to believe in these things. Just like alternative medicine, 9/11 government conspiracies and horoscopes. But it's still bunk.
However, that isn't and never was a selling point to me. When ICS is available for my phone, I'll get it and be happy. Until then, I have other things in my life worth worrying about. I couldn't possibly give less of a shit about what feature is out there on somebody else's phone that OMG MINE DOESN'T HAVE!
In another post, you point out it's all about the platform. And the trouble with all this is you have a horribly fragmented platform. How long after an Android release can a developer be confident of using the new APIs? It's a big fat unknown. Thats the major issue for me.
I really pity people who have nothing better to do than to worry about consumer electronics release dates. How empty must your life be for that to actually matter to you?
Right, so being completely incapable of somehow swinging this one as an advantage for Android, your last ditch effort is to pretend you don't care about OS updates, and to abuse anyone who does rather like them. That is without doubt the most pathetic thing I've seen all day.
I have good reason to care. I'm a developer. It matters to me that my customers can use use software written with recent APIs. And of course it matters to them that they are capable of running software written with recent APIs. Don't assume everyone's as undemanding in their requirements as you (pretend to be).
Here we go again. Me: "People who want to use their mobile phones and have them just work, with a long period of automatic updates to the latest and greatest OS version are better of with an iPhone." You "How does any phone running Froyo not "just work"?"
I said more than "just work". The rest of the sentence clarifies that "just work" includes updating the OS without hassle,and for a long period after purchase.
If you're quoting someone, there's no problem picking out sentences or even phrases that represent what it is you are responding to. Editing out the middle of a sentence in order to remove stuff that makes a nonsense of your post is pointless and dishonest.
You're now going to repeat your claim that you didn't change my meaning. And I'm going to leave it there because I've already shown that you did.
And Android has the highest marketshare of any smarphone *OS*.
If you're going to group everything together, iOS marketshare is greater than Android marketshare. (iPhone only accounts for around 40% of iOS devices last time I looked).
Apple wins either way. How about that for a point.
The phone (HTC Hero) doesn't have a warranty left.
My mom thinks she might still have the warranty in the drawer in the kitchen, she's just gone to look.
Please turn in your geek card.
It that's the kind of shit a geek card entitles you to, I'd be more than happy to. To be honest it looks more like script-kiddie stuff to me. Stuff that's not interesting enough to be bothered with. I get my jollies writing software, not following crappy installation instructions for other people's mods, hacks and cracks.
If you want to continue supporting friends and relations with crappy fragmented platforms be my guest. I stopped doing it when I moved on from a Windows PC 10 years ago. I'm certainly not going to start again for the phone equivalent of the Windows PC.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they have to be crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that’s never been written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We make tools for these kinds of people. While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Not clueless. He just wrote "customer" in the first sentence, and "anybody" in the second. Not triple checking to make sure that you couldn't misinterpret the second to mean a supplier company rather than an individual customer.
"People who want to use their mobile phones and have them just work... are better of with an iPhone." How does any phone running Froyo not "just work"?
I'm afraid you can't actually change the meaning of what I wrote by eliding the significant bit. People can see what I wrote by looking up the thread.
...are you trolling, or were you simply being disingenuous?
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You may have to think that one through a little more to realise why that can't happen.
A FAQ is not quite the same as a fact. My alarm installer told me the same thing when he installed motion sensors
The information from the person who designed the device is rather more trustworthy than from some guy in a boiler suit. If it's a FAQ answer, that is indeed the way it works.
It's simple as long as you trust the thermostat to know your patterns better than you do.
Thats not the question. The question is whether after learning it reflects your behaviour better than the settings you programmed into your old thermostat - which may be out of date. And whether you'd prefer to be relieved of the chore of setting the thermostat program every time your shedule changes.
Or maybe different people live in different homes, so one product doesn't work everywhere?
An AC said it best:
HI, I'm Clippy, I couldn't help but notice you where typing a rant that makes it obvious that you are not the target demographic for this product. Would you like me to erase what you wrote so that you can save us all from seeing that you don't get it? [n/Y]:
"No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."
Huh?
Required knowledge for a slashdotter! Google is your friend. Aw never mind, here you go:
http://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-ipod
That's the founder of this site, similarly not being able to get his head round the significance of a new product.
What a loon!
According to the developers of Nest, 90% of programmable thermostats aren't programmed properly. Maybe you're in the 10% and wouldn't benefit. That doesn't mean it's not a good product for many of the 90%.
Just one thing:
"Given that we start and leave work at various different and largely random times during the week it has no chance in hell of getting its guesses right except by luck."
On feature of Nest might be an improvement for you then. You can set the temperature remotely from computer or smartphone. When you're about to head home on one of your unpredictable days, you can make sure the temperature is set for your comfort. And that may also mean you can make it a more uncomfortable (but cheaper) temperature whilst you're out, knowing that you won't come home to it.
No it doesn't. In fact right at the start of the animation you see what are obviously different people's hands adjusting it.
Existing programmable thermostats assume one person in control. Or at least solely cater for the last person to alter it. Nest appears to be more democratic.
Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing depends on your household!
Same goes for Anonymous Coward posts. Normally I have them turned off, but today I'm feeling feisty and so I want 'em.
Or does it learn how long it takes me to get dressed and walk from the bedroom to the thermostat?
If it's occurred to you in the few minutes between learning about the device and posting here, why would you imagine that it hasn't occurred to them? There's no reason why it can't work out which is the morning increase, and assume that in future you want that temperature 10 minutes earlier in the day, or 5, or 20, depending on what their research in the field has found to be satisfactory for most people.
And if it uses motion sensors to decide whether or not I'm home, it's either going to think I'm never home since I don't go past the thermostat much in my day-to-day activities, or it's going to think I'm always home when it senses the dog going to her food dish.
They say the best place for thermostat is in a hallway. People should be passing that from time to time. But they do say to turn it down yourself hen leaving and up when you return, at least for the first week, to give it a good start on working out your patterns.
And placed at the normal thermostat height, the detector isn't set off by dogs. That's a FAQ.
I'd much rather have a thermostat with an easy to use UI than something that tries to be smart.
I've never seen an easier UI than this one. There's only one control and that's a temperature dial. Personally I'd far prefer one that's smart.
I don't see how a thermostat on a wall can do a good job.
Ah well, if you can't see it, then obviously it doesn't work.
"No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."
Oh no! Save us from the evil of accurately targeted advertisements! What chance would we have if someone showed us adverts for products that might actually interest us!
I have to say this looks like a great use of technology. Keeps people comfortable, saves money, reduces fuel use, good for the environment. OK, it's expensive up front, but it'll pay for itself before long.
Cold person irrationally turns thermostat up to 80. Angry frugal person retaliates by turning down to 50. Repeat 20x/day.
Ah, but the thermostat also has the information of what the temperature actually is when they turn the dial.
Cold person turns it up at temp X, frugal person turns it down at temp Y.
X is too cold, Y is too warm. Good compromise temperature is between X and Y.
80 & 50 are irrelevant.
The whole point of this rethink is to look at heuristics like that. Not just to learn, but to be intelligent about it.
At last a article that isn't about Apple or Steve Jobs!
Educate yourself. Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwashing
Not just the first paragraph. And don't just skim it.
There are also documentaries about the myth of brainwashing that you might want to look out for.
And no, hypnotism is a different thing from brainwashing. And is itself mostly bunk.
Stage hypnotism? Bunk.
Past lives? Bunk.
A good way to stop smoking? Bunk.
Of course a lot of people like to believe in these things. Just like alternative medicine, 9/11 government conspiracies and horoscopes. But it's still bunk.
Second of all, there was indeed a ruling that jailbreaking was not illegal and did not violate DMCA, to which Apple strongly objected.
If there was, the article you link to doesn't back you up on that last emboldened clause. And that's the "tiff or not" clause.
However, that isn't and never was a selling point to me. When ICS is available for my phone, I'll get it and be happy. Until then, I have other things in my life worth worrying about. I couldn't possibly give less of a shit about what feature is out there on somebody else's phone that OMG MINE DOESN'T HAVE!
In another post, you point out it's all about the platform. And the trouble with all this is you have a horribly fragmented platform. How long after an Android release can a developer be confident of using the new APIs? It's a big fat unknown. Thats the major issue for me.
I really pity people who have nothing better to do than to worry about consumer electronics release dates. How empty must your life be for that to actually matter to you?
Right, so being completely incapable of somehow swinging this one as an advantage for Android, your last ditch effort is to pretend you don't care about OS updates, and to abuse anyone who does rather like them. That is without doubt the most pathetic thing I've seen all day.
I have good reason to care. I'm a developer. It matters to me that my customers can use use software written with recent APIs. And of course it matters to them that they are capable of running software written with recent APIs. Don't assume everyone's as undemanding in their requirements as you (pretend to be).
IMO, the only one that matters is the larger platform.
OK, let's bear that in mind as we look at your earlier statement...
Android, as a smartphone platform, has a larger marketshare than iOS, as a smartphone platform.
And without the cherry picking, that should read: Android, as a platform, has a SMALLER marketshare than iOS, as a platform.
(Last time I looked iPhone only accounted for about 40% of iOS devices.)
You're right. It's not rocket science.
Yes. Oh, whilst I remember she wanted me to ask you wether your genital warts have cleared up yet.
I may or may not be brainwashed. It's unlikely since brainwashing was a cold-war myth.
You on the other hand are living in a world of fantasy non-seqiturs.
I changed no meaning
I wrote it, and yes you certainly did.
Here we go again. Me: "People who want to use their mobile phones and have them just work, with a long period of automatic updates to the latest and greatest OS version are better of with an iPhone."
You "How does any phone running Froyo not "just work"?"
I said more than "just work". The rest of the sentence clarifies that "just work" includes updating the OS without hassle,and for a long period after purchase.
If you're quoting someone, there's no problem picking out sentences or even phrases that represent what it is you are responding to. Editing out the middle of a sentence in order to remove stuff that makes a nonsense of your post is pointless and dishonest.
You're now going to repeat your claim that you didn't change my meaning. And I'm going to leave it there because I've already shown that you did.
And Android has the highest marketshare of any smarphone *OS*.
If you're going to group everything together, iOS marketshare is greater than Android marketshare. (iPhone only accounts for around 40% of iOS devices last time I looked).
Apple wins either way. How about that for a point.
FUD
No, just satire.
The phone (HTC Hero) doesn't have a warranty left.
My mom thinks she might still have the warranty in the drawer in the kitchen, she's just gone to look.
Please turn in your geek card.
It that's the kind of shit a geek card entitles you to, I'd be more than happy to. To be honest it looks more like script-kiddie stuff to me. Stuff that's not interesting enough to be bothered with. I get my jollies writing software, not following crappy installation instructions for other people's mods, hacks and cracks.
If you want to continue supporting friends and relations with crappy fragmented platforms be my guest. I stopped doing it when I moved on from a Windows PC 10 years ago. I'm certainly not going to start again for the phone equivalent of the Windows PC.
Ah, I thought perhaps you had something more worthwhile than that.
Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They invent. They imagine. They heal. They explore. They create. They inspire. They push the human race forward. Maybe they have to be crazy. How else can you stare at an empty canvas and see a work of art? Or sit in silence and hear a song that’s never been written? Or gaze at a red planet and see a laboratory on wheels? We make tools for these kinds of people. While some see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.
Now, any questions?
Not clueless. He just wrote "customer" in the first sentence, and "anybody" in the second. Not triple checking to make sure that you couldn't misinterpret the second to mean a supplier company rather than an individual customer.
There's nothing in that article that says Apple "got in a tiff" or anything that could be interpreted as that. That was your second lie in a row.
"People who want to use their mobile phones and have them just work... are better of with an iPhone."
How does any phone running Froyo not "just work"?
I'm afraid you can't actually change the meaning of what I wrote by eliding the significant bit. People can see what I wrote by looking up the thread.
...are you trolling, or were you simply being disingenuous?
No, but clearly you are being both of those.