Ok, initially, the majority of open source development was dev support based (libraries, support and development applications...and a few OSes). However now there is a plethora of open source work being done in the application domain. Writing open source applications puts companies out of business. I'm not arguing if that's right or wrong yet, just stating fact. I write an application, sell it...someone comes along and starts giving it away...I go out of business (generally).
So, where does selfish come into it. One developer, who doesn't have to worry about the other parts of software development (administration, quality control, iso certification etc) because he's giving his product away, develops a product simply for the glory of it and maybe some cash in support money. If the application get's big, maybe he makes enough money to be well off from support and on the conference circuit.
Now, if he'd had the courage to take a chance and develop his software as a going concern...and it took off...he would be building something bigger than himself. A company that supplies income to many, perhaps even 1000s one day, employees and their families. But instead, he puts a company out of business (or at the least reduces market share)...all for his glory he puts 100s of families out of work. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
p.s. I'm now a microsoft nut, and do contribute regularly to several open source projects (library projects). I just think open sourcing applications of every variety is going to end up killing our industry
Ok, out of the above...the following count (OPEC Nations):
Algeria Indonesia Iran Iraq Kuwait Libya N igeria Qatar Saudi Arabia United Arab Emirates Venezuala.
Algeria, Indonesia, Libya, Nigeria and Qatar have small reserves...not really worth worrying about.
Saudi and UAE play ball with the U.S. so no need for intervention there.
Kuwait is pretty much a U.S. subsidiary and now so is IRAQ, and resistance is being funded in Venezuala to overthrow Chavez because he doesn't like the U.S.
The only major OPEC nation that isn't being severly influenced or militarily dominated by the U.S. is Iran (as far as I know they're still putting up pretty good resistence to you guys)
Now, in reference to the 'small amount of oil' quote...of course the amount of oil you get from iraq is tiny...they hate you...but the amount of oil they _have_ is great. In fact they have the second greatest proven reserves of all OPEC countries. Have a lot, won't share with U.S....I'm pretty sure most people would call that 'motive'
Evil begets evil...the rest of the world is seeing that by the pictures of the U.S.'s evil treatment of Iraq citizens (naked human pyramid anyone)...now, the obvious response is "Hey, that's being dealt with, those people have been charged". Well, no, they haven't...they've been internally investigated...they are war criminals as outlined in the geneva convention, of which the U.S. is a signatory. So, why haven't they been turned over to International Courts in the Hauge?
there seems to be a lot of concern that this site went down so quick, and that the submitter should have tested it first. For those that do want to 'test' the load of a site, I suggest jmeter from apache...http://jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/...maybe submitters could give the site a quick hit and see how it handles increasing load. If you see the serve times increasing exponentially as you up the load...maybe a good time to set up a mirror in anticipation
Quick background. I'm an Australian programmer, and, in the height of the.com boom, a lot of work was being outsourced here. I was over in San Fran talking to some Development Managers and CEOs of some fairly respectable corporations. They quoted me some insane figures, stuff like graduate programmers wages going from 40K to 90K...and having to pay 130-150K for an intermediate programmer...which was why they were sending the work down under. They just couldn't justify spending that kind of cash. So, my question, and I'll try to make this not too flamable. If U.S. developers were prepared to profit from market demand, and push their wages up (and think back a few years, the wages were stupidly high...you'd be hard pressed finding a developer that could _honestly_ justify the 1999-2000 wages)...why should you expect the same companies that were being screwed over a few years back to have any loyalty now? This is something I would actually appreciate an honest, well thought out response to. Because as someone from outside the U.S., I'm inclined to say "serves you right"...so I'd like to see what I'm missing in the equation.
Where should I outsource all my development to if I want to gain maximum profitability, yet want a fairly stable (more stable than india) geopolitical climate and still have a good level of skilled worker pool to choose from.
How do the different outsource havens (China, India, Brazil, Russia etc) all stack up together and which is likely to give me the greatest ROI with the least risk.
Previously Submitted language comparison puts java ahead of all other languages for business based applications. (When ignoring results for 64bit trigonometry...not often used in business apps).
And swing is only slow when coded badly. When programmed well, and mastered, it is just as rapid as native guis, and significantly more maintainable than MFC coded gui apps.
I completely agree with you (and I hate.NET), it is a fantastic microsoft end to end product. However, how many companies use microsoft end to end. Todays corporations are a mishmash of microsoft, linux, unix, oracle, sybase and SQLServer (and splashes of db2 around the place). The company that I work for develops financial applications in java. We constantly have to battle the whole "what about.NET thing"...and to be honest, it's an easy question to counter. ADO.NET support is too rudementary amoung database providers. Sybase (which has a large financial market base) asked for expressions of interest for a ADO.NET driver for the first time last year in August...and how long has.NET been around? We (and lots of other dev companies) can't bank on ADO.NET drivers being available and being of production quality.
Also, if I want a good http client in java, I have many to choose from...a web server...again, many to choose from....a reporting framework...a graphing framework....a logging framework...workflow graphical components...templating engines...xslt and xpath engines....the list goes on and on..NET will never (IMHO) have a similar level of open source libraries available for developers. So while end to end microsoft webby stuff may work great with.NET...I personally don't believe it offers any advantage to the rest of the development space
Actually, was attacking the persons perception of the topic, small difference, easy to overlook. However, you seem to be attacking me personally about me attacking a person and not the argument...hmmmm, hello kettle?
oh my...I had to read this twice before I actually believed it. Those poor middle class workers...not being able to afford that second buick...having to save for years just to perform the smallest extension to their house. Oh man, those middle class certainly have it bad.
Legal disputes are common in business. I have seen quite a few in my career where years worth of emails/phone records had to be dug up and inspected by lawyers. Then the employee interrogated. In one case, a semi-sarcastic email was inspected by both parties lawyers, and the author was grilled for days about the particular meaning of that email. Now these are usually emails that are 2-3 years old, because litigation takes a great deal of time. If you have no problem with your company and their lawyers and their clients lawyers pouring through your phone call list, then by all means, use your home phone for work reasons. Otherwise get them to shell out for a work phone or stop taking calls. Don't forget, regardless of the work ethics you possess (which I'm guessing are good if your giving your clients your personal mobile number), it's not _your_ company...you can only work within the bounds set by the companies directors and managers no matter how much you would like to go beyond them. There's probably some very good reasons (beyond the legal one stated above) for this move that you don't have access to.
before products spring up, how about some informational resources. A couple of years ago I wanted to code a game for linux (just for fun)...but had a hell of a time knowing where to begin. Has the situation changed. Does anyone know of any good linux gaming tutorials/texts?
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Excellent response. F%$&ing brilliant analysis.
Thought that would get your attention :)
Let me explain my reasoning:
Ok, initially, the majority of open source development was dev support based (libraries, support and development applications...and a few OSes). However now there is a plethora of open source work being done in the application domain. Writing open source applications puts companies out of business. I'm not arguing if that's right or wrong yet, just stating fact. I write an application, sell it...someone comes along and starts giving it away...I go out of business (generally).
So, where does selfish come into it. One developer, who doesn't have to worry about the other parts of software development (administration, quality control, iso certification etc) because he's giving his product away, develops a product simply for the glory of it and maybe some cash in support money. If the application get's big, maybe he makes enough money to be well off from support and on the conference circuit.
Now, if he'd had the courage to take a chance and develop his software as a going concern...and it took off...he would be building something bigger than himself. A company that supplies income to many, perhaps even 1000s one day, employees and their families. But instead, he puts a company out of business (or at the least reduces market share)...all for his glory he puts 100s of families out of work. Sounds pretty selfish to me.
p.s. I'm now a microsoft nut, and do contribute regularly to several open source projects (library projects). I just think open sourcing applications of every variety is going to end up killing our industry
Ok, out of the above...the following count (OPEC Nations):
N igeria
...I'm pretty sure most people would call that 'motive'
Algeria
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Kuwait
Libya
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
Venezuala.
Algeria, Indonesia, Libya, Nigeria and Qatar have small reserves...not really worth worrying about.
Saudi and UAE play ball with the U.S. so no need for intervention there.
Kuwait is pretty much a U.S. subsidiary and now so is IRAQ, and resistance is being funded in Venezuala to overthrow Chavez because he doesn't like the U.S.
The only major OPEC nation that isn't being severly influenced or militarily dominated by the U.S. is Iran (as far as I know they're still putting up pretty good resistence to you guys)
Now, in reference to the 'small amount of oil' quote...of course the amount of oil you get from iraq is tiny...they hate you...but the amount of oil they _have_ is great. In fact they have the second greatest proven reserves of all OPEC countries. Have a lot, won't share with U.S.
Evil begets evil...the rest of the world is seeing that by the pictures of the U.S.'s evil treatment of Iraq citizens (naked human pyramid anyone)...now, the obvious response is "Hey, that's being dealt with, those people have been charged". Well, no, they haven't...they've been internally investigated...they are war criminals as outlined in the geneva convention, of which the U.S. is a signatory. So, why haven't they been turned over to International Courts in the Hauge?
I agree :)
was meant as 'tongue in cheek'
...then what would your military do?
75% of _all_ mobile users is a big call...I don't think all the Australian cell users will be too worried about this.
I don't know whether wanting to be able to eat makes you a luddite?
...like the ones they use to track bears etc. 'THWAP!', "Hiker Tagged!...next"
there seems to be a lot of concern that this site went down so quick, and that the submitter should have tested it first. For those that do want to 'test' the load of a site, I suggest jmeter from apache...http://jakarta.apache.org/jmeter/...maybe submitters could give the site a quick hit and see how it handles increasing load. If you see the serve times increasing exponentially as you up the load...maybe a good time to set up a mirror in anticipation
OT I know
scratch HTML
:)
replace with XML+XSLT+CSS
Oh,and you're a recruitment analyst practicing in LA during 97-2001 ?
Quick background. I'm an Australian programmer, and, in the height of the .com boom, a lot of work was being outsourced here. I was over in San Fran talking to some Development Managers and CEOs of some fairly respectable corporations. They quoted me some insane figures, stuff like graduate programmers wages going from 40K to 90K...and having to pay 130-150K for an intermediate programmer...which was why they were sending the work down under. They just couldn't justify spending that kind of cash. So, my question, and I'll try to make this not too flamable. If U.S. developers were prepared to profit from market demand, and push their wages up (and think back a few years, the wages were stupidly high...you'd be hard pressed finding a developer that could _honestly_ justify the 1999-2000 wages)...why should you expect the same companies that were being screwed over a few years back to have any loyalty now? This is something I would actually appreciate an honest, well thought out response to. Because as someone from outside the U.S., I'm inclined to say "serves you right"...so I'd like to see what I'm missing in the equation.
Where should I outsource all my development to if I want to gain maximum profitability, yet want a fairly stable (more stable than india) geopolitical climate and still have a good level of skilled worker pool to choose from.
How do the different outsource havens (China, India, Brazil, Russia etc) all stack up together and which is likely to give me the greatest ROI with the least risk.
1) get 50 indian graduates
2) buy 50 world atlases
3) buy 50 multimedia phones
4) ?
5) profit
atrocious speed
Previously Submitted language comparison puts java ahead of all other languages for business based applications. (When ignoring results for 64bit trigonometry...not often used in business apps).
And swing is only slow when coded badly. When programmed well, and mastered, it is just as rapid as native guis, and significantly more maintainable than MFC coded gui apps.
I completely agree with you (and I hate .NET), it is a fantastic microsoft end to end product. However, how many companies use microsoft end to end. Todays corporations are a mishmash of microsoft, linux, unix, oracle, sybase and SQLServer (and splashes of db2 around the place). The company that I work for develops financial applications in java. We constantly have to battle the whole "what about .NET thing"...and to be honest, it's an easy question to counter. ADO.NET support is too rudementary amoung database providers. Sybase (which has a large financial market base) asked for expressions of interest for a ADO.NET driver for the first time last year in August...and how long has .NET been around? We (and lots of other dev companies) can't bank on ADO.NET drivers being available and being of production quality.
.NET will never (IMHO) have a similar level of open source libraries available for developers. So while end to end microsoft webby stuff may work great with .NET...I personally don't believe it offers any advantage to the rest of the development space
Also, if I want a good http client in java, I have many to choose from...a web server...again, many to choose from....a reporting framework...a graphing framework....a logging framework...workflow graphical components...templating engines...xslt and xpath engines....the list goes on and on.
....hell of a day to be working for fedex
Actually, was attacking the persons perception of the topic, small difference, easy to overlook. However, you seem to be attacking me personally about me attacking a person and not the argument...hmmmm, hello kettle?
>>You fail. well done that you think you have the experience to be judge...I admire, if nothing else, your detachement from reality.
>>at the expense of the middle class.
oh my...I had to read this twice before I actually believed it. Those poor middle class workers...not being able to afford that second buick...having to save for years just to perform the smallest extension to their house. Oh man, those middle class certainly have it bad.
oh my, sometimes it's just too easy :)
>>It's an excuse to pad the pockets of the fat shareholders at the expense of the middle class.
Solution...become a shareholder.
...then start bringing it in again...just like everyone else will do
Legal disputes are common in business. I have seen quite a few in my career where years worth of emails/phone records had to be dug up and inspected by lawyers. Then the employee interrogated. In one case, a semi-sarcastic email was inspected by both parties lawyers, and the author was grilled for days about the particular meaning of that email. Now these are usually emails that are 2-3 years old, because litigation takes a great deal of time. If you have no problem with your company and their lawyers and their clients lawyers pouring through your phone call list, then by all means, use your home phone for work reasons. Otherwise get them to shell out for a work phone or stop taking calls. Don't forget, regardless of the work ethics you possess (which I'm guessing are good if your giving your clients your personal mobile number), it's not _your_ company...you can only work within the bounds set by the companies directors and managers no matter how much you would like to go beyond them. There's probably some very good reasons (beyond the legal one stated above) for this move that you don't have access to.
before products spring up, how about some informational resources. A couple of years ago I wanted to code a game for linux (just for fun)...but had a hell of a time knowing where to begin. Has the situation changed. Does anyone know of any good linux gaming tutorials/texts?