Telling a musician they should write music in lilypond with a text editor is similar telling a graphic artist not to use that silly Photoshop, or even GIMP -- he should be be writing PostScript code with a text editor.
A hobbyist should use whatever he likes best. There are quite few that like to use POV-Ray, it's not quite PostScript, but it's not that far either.
There currently is no GIMP-level quality free software for music typesetting.
I still say that it depends what quality you measure by.
There are some people who don't think this is the case, they think that no software should be propietary. That's what I'm disagreeing with.
There are also some people who think that all software should be proprietary, so why is your some of this and some of that point any more walid?
I personly think that both will allways exist for various different reasons, but I still hope that proprietary software will be marginal enough not to get in the way of cooperation and freedom.
Of course I have not counted the features, it is hyperbole. Their review of Finale only touches on its output
It's not a review of Finale, it's a review of Finale's output, it also doesn't stand alone, it's part of a discussion about (drum roll) output quality.
and gleefully ignores how fast it is to enter the music, which is the time-consuming part.
I have never stated that inputing in LilyPond is fast. I think that the authors do not talk about it, because it's not goal of their project. Their goal is quality. Also a high quality back-end does not disallow an "efficient" front-end. Consider TeX. TeX has some of finest typesetting output there is, especial for mathematics. Few people would consider writing in pure TeX efficient, many would argue that LaTeX is faster than WYSIWYG GUIs. People using LyX or AUCTex should be able to outperform WYSIWYG GUIs, when using well defined layouts, because they don't have to concern themselves with formating. XML front-ends to (La)TeX should be able improve on that by using on the fly validation. Building from the ground (quality back-end) up should be preferred to building from top (quality interface, not necessary graphical) down.
And don't get me started on being faster with familiar tools and how that leads to vendor lock in...
They turned off all the automatic layout options, which only a rank newbie would do. I can produce output far nicer than that without much effort.
It was made with all of the default settings. Right there on the top.
In the Real World, notation does not have to be perfect works of art.
Where do they say it should? Is better output a bad thing to strive for? Do you use crappy fonts for your daily browsing?
Most music isn't written by royalty like Bach, and doesn't get the hand-engraving that the classics do.
How dare they use computers to make more music look better?!
Go ahead, call up JoAnn Kane or DeCrescent or any other big-name music contractor and ask what they use.
Why should I? I take your word for it.
Latex is written by a math guy on tenure for other math guys on tenure.
That would be TeX. LaTeX is the TeX "front-end" for the "average" user.
Note the words "can be"; it's not integrated. I can play it at the touch of a single button
Can be... Made better, faster and with "the touch of a single". Free software is not limited by what it can do at this moment or what the authors choose to make it do.
My point still stands: free software is nice
Free software ranges from excellent to unusable, nice is in there too.
but I want to get things done, and sometimes propietary software is better.
And sometimes free software gets things done -- software gets things done.
If getting thing done is all that makes proprietary "better" than free, there can be no overall winner. Individual packages can be better by this criteria, but not the movements themselves.
I still believe they would be ripped appart without copyright. You could take, say WinXP, and replace it part by part with Free Software having a working system all the way. Also contracts aren't that effective without copyright -- once the cat is out of the bag you can only go after the one who let it out, the damage is done.
Can it automatically prepare parts from a 25-line score?
I don't know.
Can it automatically transpose an entire song to a different key? Can it cut and paste music between different instruments, automatically transposing for different instruments
I don't know, but this indicates that it can do something in the direction.
Can it take a five-part harmonized line and split it out into five separate staves?
As you may have noticed I know nothing about musical scores. I have noticed you know little about LilyPond. I suggest you read the manual.
Currently, free software does not fill this niche, and seems likely never to.
Thanks for the typical slashdot pendant reply reply that told no one nothing they didn't know already but stoked your own ego. You added so much to the discussion by doing so we all couldn't have done without it.
Bug reports are also a form of contibution. But that wasn't what I was talking about. If you wan't someone to make a page with common urpmi commands you may as well be the one who does it, I found it in the manual.
MS Word shares a serious flaw with PowerPoint -- it disatracts people from the content. The proof is right here in this 300MB avi that slashcode won't insert.
...and to help the poor restaurants goverment introduces a tax on supermarket food, that is distributed by the Canadian Restaurant Association (which of course pockets half of the money, and gives the other to members). If you eat at home or own a restaurant, that isn't in the CRA you are screwed. And CRA is effectivly imortal.
The group of average users is very small. Those above will find programs that suit them and adapt their enviroment to their liking, some more than others. Those below will use what you give them, either very poorly or as good as you can show them.
So why don't you make something useable? What is usable? Why do I find almost any editor unusable since I found Emacs? Why do I think that overlaping windows aren't very usable since I started using Ion?
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I still believe they would be ripped appart without copyright. You could take, say WinXP, and replace it part by part with Free Software having a working system all the way. Also contracts aren't that effective without copyright -- once the cat is out of the bag you can only go after the one who let it out, the damage is done.
LilyPond.
He sold them at profit, good profit at that.
Open Text Summarizer may be your friend.
Moderator needs more Simpsons.
Thanks for the typical slashdot pendant reply reply that told no one nothing they didn't know already but stoked your own ego. You added so much to the discussion by doing so we all couldn't have done without it.
Bug reports are also a form of contibution. But that wasn't what I was talking about. If you wan't someone to make a page with common urpmi commands you may as well be the one who does it, I found it in the manual.
If it is that easy, why don't you make a guide to commonly used rpm commands?
MS Word shares a serious flaw with PowerPoint -- it disatracts people from the content. The proof is right here in this 300MB avi that slashcode won't insert.
...and to help the poor restaurants goverment introduces a tax on supermarket food, that is distributed by the Canadian Restaurant Association (which of course pockets half of the money, and gives the other to members). If you eat at home or own a restaurant, that isn't in the CRA you are screwed. And CRA is effectivly imortal.
I'm a copyright holder, compensate me. (c) 2003
"Spoken like someone who has never created anything of worth in their life."
I created pleny and will create more, but worth comes mostly from marketing and I hate that.
Not even for all copyright holders...
Hey The Cuhurch of Emacs is no sect.
Thank you but I'll stay with Gnus (and GMANE).
Today there is way more than gecko browsers for geeks to use -- khtml, dillo, links, w3m...
The group of average users is very small. Those above will find programs that suit them and adapt their enviroment to their liking, some more than others. Those below will use what you give them, either very poorly or as good as you can show them.
So why don't you make something useable? What is usable? Why do I find almost any editor unusable since I found Emacs? Why do I think that overlaping windows aren't very usable since I started using Ion?