Your argument seems to boil down to things being more complicated if other companies were allowed to compete by providing applications for Windows on the same playing field as Microsoft does.
This is exactly how Linux distributions work, there are usually at least 2 or 3 similar products in each category and it's down to the distributor to choose which ones they supply with the kernel which simplifies things for the end user. They would just choose a windows distribution which suited their needs, e.g. Windows for artists, Windows for media etc.
If the formats used by applications were open and interoperable you would be able to make choices on how well each application suits your needs which seems to me to be a good way of doing things.
With more competition the price of applications should go down not up so joe average will be paying less for his system overall.
I agree it's tricky to know exactly where to draw the line but it wouldn't be impossible. One solution would be to refer any borderline cases to an independant technical committee. You must remember the reason these things are being suggested for Microsoft is because they are a convicted monopolist who have been shown to abuse their position by using the interactions between their OS and their applications illegally.
I'm not so sure I entirely agree with you, the Windows Platform consists of a lot of Microsoft products working together but you can definitely say that Word is a seperate application, Mediaplayer is a seperate application etc.
When you buy a PC you have to buy things like Word seperately, they're not included in the price of Windows the operating system. It's the PC retailers who bundle useful software onto their PC's or it's businesses who deploy the necessary applications for their business on their servers.
Were applications and operating system to be divided then both the operating system and the applications would need to use open, published standards to communicate and interoperate with one another. Other software companies could be involved in developing these standards and use them to design their own applications. This would increase competition and encourage better quality software and cheaper prices for the rest of us.
Whoops, just noticed you said Wordpad and not Word. Technically yes it is an application and things like Text Pad compete in the same sort of arena so I suppose it should be seperated too.
No ! No ! Luckily I had heard Sir Paul introducing his new song before they played it. I think he was saying something like this:
Yes, it's a great song - fantastic in fact. Like all the brilliant songs I've written it was based on a moments inspiration. I had a few friends around and as I was telling them how bloody amazing I was just tapping this fabulous beat out on the kitchen table and this little kid was just loving it and dancing to it and we all danced around and sang and it was the beat I was doing, it was amazing - a stroke of pure genius. So I made the record, it'll certainly be number 1 and is an amazing record. Of course the whole album is just awe inspiringly brilliant, without doubt I'd say it's certainly my and greatest work and therefore definitely much better than anything else anyone else has done but it's because I have such a great life you know, so great and totally deserved. A lot of people say I'm smug but I'm not, I just know I'm greater than they will ever be.
If I were a cop looking for a million dollar ( not sure of the current exchange rate but I think that's a couple of thousand pounds ) copying machine the first place I'd look is the RIAA copying factories.
I don't know what checks are in place but if you already have a huge copying plant and the originals of the CDs there for you to use and were a bit shady then it's not hard to realise you could make a bit of money producing CDs for yourself to sell on to the black market.
I'm not entirely certain what the situation is here in the UK ( not being intimately connected to large scale counterfeiting operations ) but I think such a raid here would involve first of all trading standards officers who would gather evidence that illegal activity was going on in the market and then later a raid by the trading standards department which would most likely have the police along as backup to make the arrests.
The key difference of course is that trading standards are controlled by the local council, not just paid for by a bunch of musicians and can investigate anyone trading including large companies or market traders.
One scenario where representatives from the record industry or other trade groups might be present is where they may have some expertise in identifying counterfeit goods that trading standards would find useful.
The Rev D Wayne came into my life many years ago and I have worshipped at his church in many venues in many cities. I shall be abasing myself once more in a month or so and begging for his blessing.
"Puking" and "barfing" may be unsuitable words to describe technical details in a scientific story but, believe me, they are far better choices than that phrase "potty mouthed" will ever be, for anything.
"Potty mouthed" sounds like something a 3 year old might say.
Indeed. I'd have liked to the seen the phrase "pumping hot moon spunk" somewhere in there too.
The New Horizons probe caught the moon Io red faced 'pumping hot moon spunk' into the space void. A five-frame film sequence from the New Horizons planetry probe captured a gushing plume of jizz from Io's Tvashtar jizz hole. "Snapped by the snooping probe's Long Range Reconnaissance Imager (LORRI) as the spacecraft flew past Jupiter earlier this earth year, this first-ever, so called, "movie" of an Io plume clearly shows a thrusting motion hidden within the cloud of moon spunk, which extends 3,3000 meters (12 672 000 inches ) above the moon's surface... The appearance and motion of the splume is remarkably similar to an small ornamental marble fountain in Wigan, replicated on a gigantic scale.""
Yeah, this is really annoying. People often call all their holiday photo something like "London" "Holiday" and the spend most of the holiday outside London so any searchs just turn up a load of irrelevant stuff.
I'm sure it will in time but in the meantime I'd suggest you might be better off taking some time to visit a few mosques, any in Bradford, Birmingham or Leeds ought to do.
They have a wide range of travel tips for Afghanistan and will probably be able to arrange local guides for you and a short orientation to educate you on dealing with the local hazards. You may find it best to be based in Pakistan and travel over in company with some of the, colourful, local caravans which regulary travel in and out of the country.
Your use of the software is covered by copyright which doesn't place you under obligation to also to agree to random other contracts or EULAS.
If you own a disk with a piece of software on it then you're perfectly free to use that software without agreeing to anything else so long as your use is in line with copyright laws. That's how it should be and if the law thinks different then it's pretty clear the law is wrong.
It seems like it might be different in the US but here in the UK if a product doesn't work or isn't fit for the purpose you bought it for you can get an immediate refund no matter how many days have elapsed since you bought it.
Surely you have some consumer protection laws like that people can use ?
I remember quite a lof of dreams and they usually have nothing whatsoever to do with anything that happens that in real life. Unless my real life involves a lot of leading rag tag bunches of mercenaries through vampire infested cornfields which, I'm pretty sure, it doesnt.
A similar thing happened to me yesterday, we have passes to swipe in and out of the building. On the way out I spent a good minute looking in all my pockets for the pass but couldn't find it so someone else swiped me out.
On the way in I realised, just as I was pushing the door open, that I'd unconciously remembered where my pass was and got it out and opened the door without thinking about it. In a similar vein I often end up at my home front door with my card in my hand and try to swipe my house keys at work.
I agree wholeheartedly with you, I haven't found any sensible working method to sync with my phone. If all these people who are just dying to have a crack at the Nvidia open source drivers would work on this in the meantime I'd be very happy.
In the meantime my nvidia graphics card works perfectly on Linux and has done since I bought my first nvidia card 7 years ago so open or closed driver or whatever I think nvidia deserves a lot of credit for that. The last I heard from nvidia they couldn't open source their 3D driver because of licencing issues with some of the technology it uses, I don't think this has changed and if it did I'm sure they'd open source it in a second so all this moaning is pretty pointless in my opinion.
One of the benefits of digital media is that you can transport the data from one medium to another so rather than just burning off a load of CDs and sticking them in the attic you need to make sure you back up your stuff to the most recent storage medium and keep the main copy on the device you use to make the backups.
I've read all the e-mails and letters and I certainly don't think the Microsoft guy is "clearly in the right".
In the beginning the Microsoft guy said you can't make this available for exchange, please remove that functionality and Jamie said that was fine but can Microsoft guy just explain the grounds that make it illegal for him to use the program with Express. The Microsoft guy never explained that, he just kept on saying "Please remove it, it's illegal".
Then there was all the nonsense with all the other, thousands, of developers of very very similar products Microsoft were working so closely with, the MVP not being renewed and so on which is enough to annoy anyone.
Since Microsoft never gave any actual reason why he couldn't use his product with Express and since his own lawyer was advising him to do so was perfectly reasonable he reinstated Express support.
I would imagine people using his product with Express is a good thing for him and increases the sales of the product he sells so this would be a real business decision for him not simply the whim of a "hobbyist".
The bottom line is that Microsoft, or any company, can say what they want but if it's not actually legally enforceable then you don't have to take any notice of it. The advice Jamie has is that Microsofts demands are not legally enforceable therefore, quite rightly, Jamie is ignoring them since they directly affect the profitability of his own business.
Lastly there is a massive difference between a EULA and the GPL.
I can see why they want to restrict what is available to Express too but simply because Microsoft doesn't like it, or doesn't allow it is irrelevant if they have no legal basis to stop you doing it.
Jamies lawyer thinks there is no legal basis to prevent him doing what he's done so now it's down to the courts to decide and as other people have pointed out the standing of things like EULA's in UK courts is somewhat murky and more likely to be interpreted in Jamies favour rather than the other way around.
"Hey, bobby you fat fuck go and get me another beer and then piss off out somewhere 'cos I can see your mums gagging for it right now."
"Right then you filthy whore lets see what you're packing under that dress. Eh, I've told you once bobby - Fuck Off, don't make me come and smack you one you lazy little bastard."
If this sort of thing really were to take off then the chances are the fuel would be piped into peoples houses. The UK uses natural gas in most homes for cooking and heating and this is piped around rather than being shipped by truck.
I, obviously, haven't bothered reading the article, or the summary much so I don't know if this thing can work off natural gas. If not I don't know how much harder it is to pipe diesal into peoples homes or whatever but I'm sure the payoff would beat mass truckage in the long term.
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Your argument seems to boil down to things being more complicated if other companies were allowed to compete by providing applications for Windows on the same playing field as Microsoft does.
This is exactly how Linux distributions work, there are usually at least 2 or 3 similar products in each category and it's down to the distributor to choose which ones they supply with the kernel which simplifies things for the end user. They would just choose a windows distribution which suited their needs, e.g. Windows for artists, Windows for media etc.
If the formats used by applications were open and interoperable you would be able to make choices on how well each application suits your needs which seems to me to be a good way of doing things.
With more competition the price of applications should go down not up so joe average will be paying less for his system overall.
I agree it's tricky to know exactly where to draw the line but it wouldn't be impossible. One solution would be to refer any borderline cases to an independant technical committee. You must remember the reason these things are being suggested for Microsoft is because they are a convicted monopolist who have been shown to abuse their position by using the interactions between their OS and their applications illegally.
I'm not so sure I entirely agree with you, the Windows Platform consists of a lot of Microsoft products working together but you can definitely say that Word is a seperate application, Mediaplayer is a seperate application etc.
When you buy a PC you have to buy things like Word seperately, they're not included in the price of Windows the operating system. It's the PC retailers who bundle useful software onto their PC's or it's businesses who deploy the necessary applications for their business on their servers.
Were applications and operating system to be divided then both the operating system and the applications would need to use open, published standards to communicate and interoperate with one another. Other software companies could be involved in developing these standards and use them to design their own applications. This would increase competition and encourage better quality software and cheaper prices for the rest of us.
Whoops, just noticed you said Wordpad and not Word. Technically yes it is an application and things like Text Pad compete in the same sort of arena so I suppose it should be seperated too.
I don't like him but sometimes even idiots can be right.
No ! No ! Luckily I had heard Sir Paul introducing his new song before they played it. I think he was saying something like this:
Yes, it's a great song - fantastic in fact. Like all the brilliant songs I've written it was based on a moments inspiration. I had a few friends around and as I was telling them how bloody amazing I was just tapping this fabulous beat out on the kitchen table and this little kid was just loving it and dancing to it and we all danced around and sang and it was the beat I was doing, it was amazing - a stroke of pure genius. So I made the record, it'll certainly be number 1 and is an amazing record. Of course the whole album is just awe inspiringly brilliant, without doubt I'd say it's certainly my and greatest work and therefore definitely much better than anything else anyone else has done but it's because I have such a great life you know, so great and totally deserved. A lot of people say I'm smug but I'm not, I just know I'm greater than they will ever be.
I thought the song was rubbish too.
If I were a cop looking for a million dollar ( not sure of the current exchange rate but I think that's a couple of thousand pounds ) copying machine the first place I'd look is the RIAA copying factories.
I don't know what checks are in place but if you already have a huge copying plant and the originals of the CDs there for you to use and were a bit shady then it's not hard to realise you could make a bit of money producing CDs for yourself to sell on to the black market.
Let me guess, you don't have much, if any, experience of nazi stormtroopers ?
I'm not entirely certain what the situation is here in the UK ( not being intimately connected to large scale counterfeiting operations ) but I think such a raid here would involve first of all trading standards officers who would gather evidence that illegal activity was going on in the market and then later a raid by the trading standards department which would most likely have the police along as backup to make the arrests.
The key difference of course is that trading standards are controlled by the local council, not just paid for by a bunch of musicians and can investigate anyone trading including large companies or market traders.
One scenario where representatives from the record industry or other trade groups might be present is where they may have some expertise in identifying counterfeit goods that trading standards would find useful.
The Rev D Wayne came into my life many years ago and I have worshipped at his church in many venues in many cities. I shall be abasing myself once more in a month or so and begging for his blessing.
Don't ya wanna know how we keep starting fires ?
It's my desire ! It's My Desire !
"Puking" and "barfing" may be unsuitable words to describe technical details in a scientific story but, believe me, they are far better choices than that phrase "potty mouthed" will ever be, for anything.
"Potty mouthed" sounds like something a 3 year old might say.
Yeah, this is really annoying. People often call all their holiday photo something like "London" "Holiday" and the spend most of the holiday outside London so any searchs just turn up a load of irrelevant stuff.
I'm sure it will in time but in the meantime I'd suggest you might be better off taking some time to visit a few mosques, any in Bradford, Birmingham or Leeds ought to do.
They have a wide range of travel tips for Afghanistan and will probably be able to arrange local guides for you and a short orientation to educate you on dealing with the local hazards. You may find it best to be based in Pakistan and travel over in company with some of the, colourful, local caravans which regulary travel in and out of the country.
Your use of the software is covered by copyright which doesn't place you under obligation to also to agree to random other contracts or EULAS.
If you own a disk with a piece of software on it then you're perfectly free to use that software without agreeing to anything else so long as your use is in line with copyright laws. That's how it should be and if the law thinks different then it's pretty clear the law is wrong.
It seems like it might be different in the US but here in the UK if a product doesn't work or isn't fit for the purpose you bought it for you can get an immediate refund no matter how many days have elapsed since you bought it.
Surely you have some consumer protection laws like that people can use ?
I remember quite a lof of dreams and they usually have nothing whatsoever to do with anything that happens that in real life. Unless my real life involves a lot of leading rag tag bunches of mercenaries through vampire infested cornfields which, I'm pretty sure, it doesnt.
A similar thing happened to me yesterday, we have passes to swipe in and out of the building. On the way out I spent a good minute looking in all my pockets for the pass but couldn't find it so someone else swiped me out.
On the way in I realised, just as I was pushing the door open, that I'd unconciously remembered where my pass was and got it out and opened the door without thinking about it. In a similar vein I often end up at my home front door with my card in my hand and try to swipe my house keys at work.
I agree wholeheartedly with you, I haven't found any sensible working method to sync with my phone. If all these people who are just dying to have a crack at the Nvidia open source drivers would work on this in the meantime I'd be very happy.
In the meantime my nvidia graphics card works perfectly on Linux and has done since I bought my first nvidia card 7 years ago so open or closed driver or whatever I think nvidia deserves a lot of credit for that. The last I heard from nvidia they couldn't open source their 3D driver because of licencing issues with some of the technology it uses, I don't think this has changed and if it did I'm sure they'd open source it in a second so all this moaning is pretty pointless in my opinion.
One of the benefits of digital media is that you can transport the data from one medium to another so rather than just burning off a load of CDs and sticking them in the attic you need to make sure you back up your stuff to the most recent storage medium and keep the main copy on the device you use to make the backups.
I've read all the e-mails and letters and I certainly don't think the Microsoft guy is "clearly in the right".
In the beginning the Microsoft guy said you can't make this available for exchange, please remove that functionality and Jamie said that was fine but can Microsoft guy just explain the grounds that make it illegal for him to use the program with Express. The Microsoft guy never explained that, he just kept on saying "Please remove it, it's illegal".
Then there was all the nonsense with all the other, thousands, of developers of very very similar products Microsoft were working so closely with, the MVP not being renewed and so on which is enough to annoy anyone.
Since Microsoft never gave any actual reason why he couldn't use his product with Express and since his own lawyer was advising him to do so was perfectly reasonable he reinstated Express support.
I would imagine people using his product with Express is a good thing for him and increases the sales of the product he sells so this would be a real business decision for him not simply the whim of a "hobbyist".
The bottom line is that Microsoft, or any company, can say what they want but if it's not actually legally enforceable then you don't have to take any notice of it. The advice Jamie has is that Microsofts demands are not legally enforceable therefore, quite rightly, Jamie is ignoring them since they directly affect the profitability of his own business.
Lastly there is a massive difference between a EULA and the GPL.
I can see why they want to restrict what is available to Express too but simply because Microsoft doesn't like it, or doesn't allow it is irrelevant if they have no legal basis to stop you doing it.
Jamies lawyer thinks there is no legal basis to prevent him doing what he's done so now it's down to the courts to decide and as other people have pointed out the standing of things like EULA's in UK courts is somewhat murky and more likely to be interpreted in Jamies favour rather than the other way around.
Here's an even better idea
"Hey, bobby you fat fuck go and get me another beer and then piss off out somewhere 'cos I can see your mums gagging for it right now."
"Right then you filthy whore lets see what you're packing under that dress. Eh, I've told you once bobby - Fuck Off, don't make me come and smack you one you lazy little bastard."
Little GirlChop him up, chop his head off ...
PoliceOh my God ! What's going on ??
Little Girl He killed the man
ManShe told me to do it !
Little GirlI'm only six, and three quarters
If this sort of thing really were to take off then the chances are the fuel would be piped into peoples houses. The UK uses natural gas in most homes for cooking and heating and this is piped around rather than being shipped by truck.
I, obviously, haven't bothered reading the article, or the summary much so I don't know if this thing can work off natural gas. If not I don't know how much harder it is to pipe diesal into peoples homes or whatever but I'm sure the payoff would beat mass truckage in the long term.
Er, Mr President.