No I don't see the problem, really you are not learning how to explore the desert so much as finding out whats in the desert and you will never find that out completely by making one trip and saying you've seen it all.
It's a good job our early ancestors didn't share your viewpoints.
What do you want to go messing about with that big wet thing for Trog ? We've already learnt we can float trees on it what else is there to know ?
What you want to get to the other side of that river again, you've already done it once and come back and now you want to try it again, what's the point ?
So are you saying that under the influence of LSD you will never see any flying objects e.g. planes, birds, balls being thrown around even if they are really there and your friends not on LSD can see them clearly ?
Speak for yourself, I have often seen helicopters and UFO's flying around. Later it has become apparent I was just standing by air conditioning units which can sound a little bit like things flying around in the air and imagined the rest.
Also, whilst not flying around especially I have seen fields full of large Christmas Trees which on later inspection turn out not to have any trees in them at all, let alone Christmas Trees.
I'm just curious, in the UK the Scouts are called the Scouts and there is no need to call them The Boy Scouts Of Britain.
So I'm wondering, are there a number of rival Scout Organisations in the US ( such as the Middle Aged Scouts Of Lithuania, Transexual Scouts Of California ) which they are trying to distinguish themselves from by naming themselves thus ?
I'm not sure that you would even be able to identify people claiming to be in the system when they aren't, all they will need to say is "Oh no, I'm not THAT John Smith. I'm another John Smith altogether"
I really would much rather that government departments stuck to their own area of work and dealt with me seperately, I do not want to have problems renewing my road licence because someone in the benefits agency has accidentally changed my name.
In a perfect world I'd have no problem with an ID card system. However in this imperfect world I think it's entirely unecessary, not going to be of any practical benefit and a huge waste of money. The fact that it also hinders any future evil governments plans for genocide based on complete knowledge of it's citizens is only incidental !
One of the problems with this proposed ID scheme is that it will hold an unspecified amount of information about you, there are already at least 50 different bits of info it will hold and the government has reserved to the right to add more as it sees fit.
Yes and the Inland Revenue don't have access to your NHS records and the DVLA can't check on your Tax history which is really exactly as it should be. If it aint broke why fix it ?
I think I may have been fooled by listening to the kinds of things Labour used to say before they got into power, now I realise that they don't in fact have any guiding principles or beliefs and have replaced them by an absolute imperative to stay in power at all costs and say and do whatever they think is most likely to achieve this aim.
In fact I generally vote conservative based on, the probably inaccurate, view that at least they do often have some beliefs which guide their policies and have not embraced lying as a political tool quite so effectively as Labour. Sadly I think they will take on all the worst aspects of Labours new modus operandi in order to stand a chance of relection at some point in the next century.
Amusingly all asyslum seekers in the UK are given identity cards anyway so a general ID scheme is going to make no difference at all to the problem of illegal asylum seekers.
According to them no one will be forced to either register for the ID scheme or carry an ID card for something like 10 years.
What they hope is that by making it non compulsory to begin with people will not be put off by the cost of registration ( since they will decide not to register ).
The government then hopes that business such as Banks, Credit Card Companies, Utility companies etc and Government agencies e.g. the benefit office will begin to use ID cards so efficiently and so well that everyone will think "What a great idea, I'm going to get one of those - even if it will cost me £90 it's still worth it !"
Who knows what will happen in 10 years time but in the meantime they have an optional ID scheme costing 5 Billion pounds which is useless as a tool to combat any of the things which they say it will combat.
Yes ( www.faxyourmp.org ) and my MP ( Lynne Jones ) seems to be broadly opposed to the scheme and does keep asking questions about the costs involved etc.
Unfortunately this has made no difference whatsoever to the governments enthusiasm for the scheme - indeed we, the general public, love the whole idea and it's for our benefit they pushing this through.
"You will not be forced to carry it around with you 24/7"
Yes, so you have an ID card scheme where there is no actual requirement for you to have any ID.
What do you think evil terrorists and council estate dole bludging scum will say when asked for ID, I am guessing they will say they have no ID in which case this whole scheme is a total waste of money since the people they are intending to catch with the ID scheme will not have to have any ID.
The situation would have been no different with ID cards, if no one is checking ID it doesn't matter what kind of ID you have. If you are checking ID then those 6 would have been stopped.
I find it amazing that a Labour government is the one proposing such a scheme, had this been proposed under the conservatives it would have died on it's feet.
I think the reason they are proposing it is firstly so they can pretend they are taking serious steps to address terrorism, illegal immigration and benefit fraud and secondly because all the companies who may well be involved in providing an ID card system are telling them what a great idea it is.
Worryingly a lot of random people I talk to about this are in favour of a scheme which does all the things the ID cards will supposedly accomplish and so are broadly in favour of the scheme in general. However as soon as they think about the actual practicalities of the scheme, especially the bit where they end up having to pay for it, they begin to change there minds.
The trouble is that this ID card scheme is badly thought out with very few clear achievable goals and hugely expensive, the bottom line is that the money could be spent on more effective and more practical measures which do not end up in a giant IT fiasco and attempts to create all knowning databases on all of us.
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Yeah but those so called 'Civilians' are as guilty as hell of giving support, comfort and aid to their terrorist armed forces.
If they're not with us they are against us and deserve to die
No I don't see the problem, really you are not learning how to explore the desert so much as finding out whats in the desert and you will never find that out completely by making one trip and saying you've seen it all.
It's a good job our early ancestors didn't share your viewpoints.
What do you want to go messing about with that big wet thing for Trog ? We've already learnt we can float trees on it what else is there to know ?
What you want to get to the other side of that river again, you've already done it once and come back and now you want to try it again, what's the point ?
Or a "retire" to the "moon" incentive...
Why does this spaceport have no spaceships ?
Hey, there was a 7.9 quake in Chile a few days ago. 12 casualties I heard.
Happy now ?
The original poster in this thread only said he saw objects flying around, he didn't mention whether they were real or not.
So are you saying that under the influence of LSD you will never see any flying objects e.g. planes, birds, balls being thrown around even if they are really there and your friends not on LSD can see them clearly ?
Speak for yourself, I have often seen helicopters and UFO's flying around. Later it has become apparent I was just standing by air conditioning units which can sound a little bit like things flying around in the air and imagined the rest.
Also, whilst not flying around especially I have seen fields full of large Christmas Trees which on later inspection turn out not to have any trees in them at all, let alone Christmas Trees.
You need to lighten up, people die all the time in all sorts of circumstances and there is nothing wrong in treating such events with humour.
I'm just curious, in the UK the Scouts are called the Scouts and there is no need to call them The Boy Scouts Of Britain.
So I'm wondering, are there a number of rival Scout Organisations in the US ( such as the Middle Aged Scouts Of Lithuania, Transexual Scouts Of California ) which they are trying to distinguish themselves from by naming themselves thus ?
Why did you pirate Textpad ? I thought there was a free demo version. It's a lovely editor.
I'm not sure that you would even be able to identify people claiming to be in the system when they aren't, all they will need to say is "Oh no, I'm not THAT John Smith. I'm another John Smith altogether"
I really would much rather that government departments stuck to their own area of work and dealt with me seperately, I do not want to have problems renewing my road licence because someone in the benefits agency has accidentally changed my name.
In a perfect world I'd have no problem with an ID card system. However in this imperfect world I think it's entirely unecessary, not going to be of any practical benefit and a huge waste of money. The fact that it also hinders any future evil governments plans for genocide based on complete knowledge of it's citizens is only incidental !
I think all you really need to say to Joe Public is
"Would you like to pay £93 for an ID card ?"
That will probably put a good 99% of Joe Publics right off the idea.
One of the problems with this proposed ID scheme is that it will hold an unspecified amount of information about you, there are already at least 50 different bits of info it will hold and the government has reserved to the right to add more as it sees fit.
Yes and the Inland Revenue don't have access to your NHS records and the DVLA can't check on your Tax history which is really exactly as it should be. If it aint broke why fix it ?
I think I may have been fooled by listening to the kinds of things Labour used to say before they got into power, now I realise that they don't in fact have any guiding principles or beliefs and have replaced them by an absolute imperative to stay in power at all costs and say and do whatever they think is most likely to achieve this aim.
In fact I generally vote conservative based on, the probably inaccurate, view that at least they do often have some beliefs which guide their policies and have not embraced lying as a political tool quite so effectively as Labour. Sadly I think they will take on all the worst aspects of Labours new modus operandi in order to stand a chance of relection at some point in the next century.
Quality is certainly an issue when you are forging stuff like invoices, insurance certificates etc.
Amusingly all asyslum seekers in the UK are given identity cards anyway so a general ID scheme is going to make no difference at all to the problem of illegal asylum seekers.
It's the government who is confused, not me !
According to them no one will be forced to either register for the ID scheme or carry an ID card for something like 10 years.
What they hope is that by making it non compulsory to begin with people will not be put off by the cost of registration ( since they will decide not to register ).
The government then hopes that business such as Banks, Credit Card Companies, Utility companies etc and Government agencies e.g. the benefit office will begin to use ID cards so efficiently and so well that everyone will think "What a great idea, I'm going to get one of those - even if it will cost me £90 it's still worth it !"
Who knows what will happen in 10 years time but in the meantime they have an optional ID scheme costing 5 Billion pounds which is useless as a tool to combat any of the things which they say it will combat.
Yes ( www.faxyourmp.org ) and my MP ( Lynne Jones ) seems to be broadly opposed to the scheme and does keep asking questions about the costs involved etc.
Unfortunately this has made no difference whatsoever to the governments enthusiasm for the scheme - indeed we, the general public, love the whole idea and it's for our benefit they pushing this through.
"You will not be forced to carry it around with you 24/7"
Yes, so you have an ID card scheme where there is no actual requirement for you to have any ID.
What do you think evil terrorists and council estate dole bludging scum will say when asked for ID, I am guessing they will say they have no ID in which case this whole scheme is a total waste of money since the people they are intending to catch with the ID scheme will not have to have any ID.
The situation would have been no different with ID cards, if no one is checking ID it doesn't matter what kind of ID you have. If you are checking ID then those 6 would have been stopped.
I find it amazing that a Labour government is the one proposing such a scheme, had this been proposed under the conservatives it would have died on it's feet.
I think the reason they are proposing it is firstly so they can pretend they are taking serious steps to address terrorism, illegal immigration and benefit fraud and secondly because all the companies who may well be involved in providing an ID card system are telling them what a great idea it is.
Worryingly a lot of random people I talk to about this are in favour of a scheme which does all the things the ID cards will supposedly accomplish and so are broadly in favour of the scheme in general. However as soon as they think about the actual practicalities of the scheme, especially the bit where they end up having to pay for it, they begin to change there minds.
The trouble is that this ID card scheme is badly thought out with very few clear achievable goals and hugely expensive, the bottom line is that the money could be spent on more effective and more practical measures which do not end up in a giant IT fiasco and attempts to create all knowning databases on all of us.
Hopefully you make sure you had enough fuel available before you left the launch pad - presumably you are intending to come back at some point ?
Nonsense, as soon as I see gun makers being locked up for manslaughter I'll start to believe you were trying to make a sensible point.
I take it you haven't travelled much, or more accurately been taken on many school trips abroad.
What's it like to be so scared ?