I'm 37. Hehe, I just got your joke. I got several trolls on/. and couldn't post for a bit./. admin told me I was in timeout for a bit. One just has to be careful about what one says about microsoft....
As information becomes more and more readily available online, as people read blogs and learn the way of the force, they change. They learn to despise the despots and the weasels. They retaliate.
I like everything you have to say except for that. To quote Bullet Tooth Tony, "Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." People are, and always will be, stupid. To quote Hitler, "It is fortunate for leadership that people are so stupid" (I think I got that right). It usually takes something really huge to make the masses understand. It has to be flagrant because, otherwise, people just don't get it and never will. Google is popular because it's useful to both the elite and the simple. I can use it as a hardcore geek and my mom can too who is the worst computer user ever born. Also, never underestimate Microsoft. I would say more, but I don't wanna sit in timeout again....
Novell - well if you are a Novell shop, you will use NDS. You will use everything else Novell has. It is sort of like joining a secret cult.
I don't know anything about other DSs, but I admined many NDSs back in the day, and I also work with MS's AD today. I'll say this much, AD is almost as good as NDS was nearly a decade ago. Back in the mid 90s, NDS had far more granularity to control every object and OU than AD does right now. Out of the box, years ago, you could set password complexity and other attributes per individual user, group, OU, whatever in NDS. With AD you have to jump through hoops and it is not ready to go out of the box at all. Out of the box, with AD, you set a policy at the top, at the domain, and it's one size fits all. From a simple day-to-day administrator's POV, NDS was, and arguably still is, a more viable solution....
You really think MS's patch system is all about "your" security? It's driven, was created and exists due to MS's lawyers. They cannot be blamed -- as your yourself argue -- for the flaws in Windows. After all, they put out a patch, warned everyone, and people just don't do what the good MS tells them. But, my anonymous friend, you are overlooking that this is a flawed OS from the start, from the beginning, and MS really hasn't cared about security from the get-go. Where are the viruses taking down Netware, taking down Linux/Unix? They are not there. Why? Because those houses were built on a good foundation with thoughtful administration in mind. Windows is a house built on a swamp, but since the builder keeps telling you about the spot in the bog about to make the corner sink just before it sinks you are freely willing to believe that it's your fault.
I know it's a lost cause even on/. anymore, but the Windows OS is the problem. These are children who are writing these things. If a child points out that the emperor has no clothes we arrest it? The emperor keeps coming out into the public naked, and children keep pointing it out, and we keep blaming the children....
It's Superman's fault. All cuz that bitch, Lois Lane, went and died, so he flew real fast and sped up the crust, then switched it back, but now the inside is still all fucked up....
I was rather shocked and disappointed, recently, when I could not take my seven-year old daughter to the movies and get one adult and one child's ticket and one bag of small popcorn and two small cokes for under $20. Since that was the amount of cash I got from the atm, and since I had no time to run back as the movie was starting, I had to pay for a water which cost me $1 -- from the tap.
Not to mention the fact that I then found I had exposed her to some movie about Michael Jackson torturing children in some candy factory (Charlie And The Chocolate Factory).
And Hollywood wonders why they're losing money....
Your description of The Tao I entirely agree with and see no contradiction with my own understanding from the professor's work.
I did indeed give my opinion as I am right now. Everything is opinion. Objectivity is the claim of "the me" for "me" when arguing with "the you."
Evolution? I mentioned not the topic. Thou puttest words in mine mouth. A changing of the gears have we. Would it shock you if I said I entirely believe in the concept? Or, perhaps I should quote Gandhi who, when asked what he thought of Western Civilization said, "it would be a great idea...."
Get rid of our soul and a lot of things become easy.
Now that's a quote....
We, and all we are, are dogma. I'd rather cite Pink Floyd's Eclipse here....
A life lived totally void of absolutes -- void of The Tao -- is best lived under a concept of egotism. At least, that's what I would do. I believe Robert Ringer's Looking Out For Number One is a good starting point. Ted Bundy also effectively argued the approach in explaining his activities as did Calvin to Hobbes who then pushed Calvin into a mud puddle demonstrably illustrating the point.
As for nihilism: that's a rather broad one used by many for many things. Nietzsche described Christianity as nihilistic and, of course, theologians labeled him with as much. Nihilism is true void and overtly absent of absolutes. I believe a better term you are looking for is anarchy -- in describing what I gave above -- and it is a brother to nihilism (I use anarchy in a non-political sense, or broadly enough to include politics I should say. Basically, Plato's idea that it best describes the breaking down of natural order). A Taoless system is quite different, I argue, as it indeed has absolutes (which nihilism and anarchy do not), it just doesn't want that/those absolutes to have anyone behind them -- no force, no Tao, no god. It defines absolutes from within humanity alone -- dangerous ground....
Again, understand my point, modern thought that labels religion as the "opiate of the masses" tends to not desire nihilism or anarchy. It wants exactly what religion wanted, just without the bothersome parental figure. In the end, however, I argue that what such thought does and will produce is chaos....
I do not believe I stated that the Jewish Holocaust was the first example of genocide. I stated that it was the first example of eliminating a people for the sake of their elimination, period. All other killings had another primary goal: land, loot, etc. Your source rather confirms my point....
I have a good IT job, but earlier this year applied for another at a different company (looking for more $/benefits). I spoke only to the HR people (typical) who, among other things, wanted someone with at least 5 years experience with Windows2003 server and 10 years with Exchange 2000. My explanations regarding their criteria left them silent and unimpressed. They also didn't find my migration of 5000 users at a $3 billion corporation from Lotus Notes to Exchange (utilizing Sendmail for routing) a worthy enough credential to make up for only having some 2 years experience with E2K....
I'm sorta answering things in general here that I've spied throughout this thread:
Quaint are these arguments pinning all the woes of the Western world on religion, on Christianity. Typically, Christianity is blamed for any and all murders, genocides, etc. I find that systems void of any deity are quite effective at slaughtering people too, thus we had millions killed, murdered, exterminated under fascism/communism (and whatever "ism" Pol Pot ran).
In the Abolition of Man Lewis argues that there has always been a string of truth throughout civilization (citing there is only one civilization). He calls this the Tao and argues that it has always existed and keeps cropping up no matter what in whatever religious form. Kant's paradox points this out as he compares the mystery of the starry heavens to the mystery of the moral law within. We just can't escape it -- this need to do and be right, so, call it what you will, but Christianity is simply another form of it (no one ever said it was perfect).
Lewis goes on to note that, for the first time ever, the Tao is actually under attack and in jeopardy of being done away with -- that this is a unique event in history. This is exactly what happened the last century in Germany, the USSR and Cambodia -- Taoless (The Tao being a general concept of a supernatural force we must answer to) systems took over the minds of humanity (yes, even in Cambodia -- oddly). Now, people died, and, sure, people died under religions too, but the fact remains that, for the first time ever, people were killed, en mass, not for land, not for belief, not for any reason other than the fact that they no longer should exist on the planet. The Jewish Holocaust is the best example of this. It was killing, for the first time ever, with the goal of entirely eliminating a certain people from the planet. Say what you will, but all other wars and conflicts had another, primary, goal.
In short, Christianity may suck, religion may suck, but these have never produced the goal which a Taoless system has produced, nor has ever such a dismal concept been conceived in any religion.
Irreligious systems, Taoless systems (communism, fascism, etc.), surprisingly, have the same goals as religion. They simply don't want a god to be any part of the solution, but this causes the paradox of demanding the function of a heart without having a heart. We simply don't behave very well on our own without the thought that we will, eventually, answer to a higher force. It is the brain that feeds the stomach through the heart. We remove the organ and demand the function.... We castrate and then demand the gelding procreate -- it simply cannot happen. Or, Lewis puts it another way, "what makes a man sit in the trench through the 6th hour of bombardment for God and country?" which he answers, "what else can make a man sit through the 6th hour of bombardment but God and country?" (These quotes from memory). This leads into thought that along with religion comes concepts of country, nationhood, family, etc. One could argue that we are moving beyond these hindrances -- that the American Civil War marked the end of state-centeredness and into nationhood, or that the end of WWII marked the end of nationhood and into a global community. Indeed, perhaps we are moving beyond god, beyond the boundaries of answering to such a force, but without the heart -- without these pesky religions -- it is an ominous world looming wherein there is no great parent up there to whom we must answer, where Nietzsche's ubermensch will create his own world, in his own likeness and the final minorities who don't look like me must be removed as so much infestation.
I empathize with Voltaire who witnessed the horror of a flawed religion, a flawed Christianity. I empathize with Bultmann who attempted to save the embattled faith from itself, but at the end of the day Kant's "moral law within" cannot be escaped, nor can it be supplanted with a godless system based on what's best
Canada has far more vast, unpopulated regions than the US could ever possibly hope to have.
Allow me to reference Southpark for a moment: Kyle: How do we get to Ottawa?
Canadian: We're in Canada! There's only one road!
By the way, watch out for Scott, he's a dick!
Because all companies are different. Some companies have great health insurance, but crappy life. Some offer great benefits all around, but everyone has to sit in a cube. Some companies believe in IT and pour money into it. Other companies think IT is a necessary evil, and they toss scraps at it like a mangy junkyard dog -- this would best explain CNN....
Yep, it's totally nuts I tell ya. They make an OS and webserver that fosters Codered. Codered breaks the Internet. Microsoft makes patch to fix crappy OS. New reports: "Microsoft has fixed the Internet!"
It just sounds so much like mafia "protection money."
My company uses MS Office. On my own I installed OpenOffice and have tried to use it. I have found it to be a pain. I find myself opening.docs and.xls with word and excel instead of OO. Mainly because OO is slow. It seems to take OO 5 to 10 times as long to open a.doc file as Word. I'm sure there are reasons for this. Also, the formatting, menus and bothersome popups to save the document in the open format (which maybe you can turn off) do nothing but slow down work.
If I'm having frustrations with it and I *want* to use it, just imagine how our 1000s of users will react who don't....
I protest my "redundant" score, cuz at the time I started the post no one had said it yet. I mean, this is like quantum physics and stuff. Hey! What I just said is at least interesting....
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John C. Dvorak, the same guy who predicted the 2.5 inch floppy....
I'm 37. Hehe, I just got your joke. I got several trolls on /. and couldn't post for a bit. /. admin told me I was in timeout for a bit. One just has to be careful about what one says about microsoft....
As information becomes more and more readily available online, as people read blogs and learn the way of the force, they change. They learn to despise the despots and the weasels. They retaliate.
I like everything you have to say except for that. To quote Bullet Tooth Tony, "Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity." People are, and always will be, stupid. To quote Hitler, "It is fortunate for leadership that people are so stupid" (I think I got that right). It usually takes something really huge to make the masses understand. It has to be flagrant because, otherwise, people just don't get it and never will. Google is popular because it's useful to both the elite and the simple. I can use it as a hardcore geek and my mom can too who is the worst computer user ever born. Also, never underestimate Microsoft. I would say more, but I don't wanna sit in timeout again....
Novell - well if you are a Novell shop, you will use NDS. You will use everything else Novell has. It is sort of like joining a secret cult.
I don't know anything about other DSs, but I admined many NDSs back in the day, and I also work with MS's AD today. I'll say this much, AD is almost as good as NDS was nearly a decade ago. Back in the mid 90s, NDS had far more granularity to control every object and OU than AD does right now. Out of the box, years ago, you could set password complexity and other attributes per individual user, group, OU, whatever in NDS. With AD you have to jump through hoops and it is not ready to go out of the box at all. Out of the box, with AD, you set a policy at the top, at the domain, and it's one size fits all. From a simple day-to-day administrator's POV, NDS was, and arguably still is, a more viable solution....
With success. This is technology at its best.
You really think MS's patch system is all about "your" security? It's driven, was created and exists due to MS's lawyers. They cannot be blamed -- as your yourself argue -- for the flaws in Windows. After all, they put out a patch, warned everyone, and people just don't do what the good MS tells them. But, my anonymous friend, you are overlooking that this is a flawed OS from the start, from the beginning, and MS really hasn't cared about security from the get-go. Where are the viruses taking down Netware, taking down Linux/Unix? They are not there. Why? Because those houses were built on a good foundation with thoughtful administration in mind. Windows is a house built on a swamp, but since the builder keeps telling you about the spot in the bog about to make the corner sink just before it sinks you are freely willing to believe that it's your fault.
So, now, who is the one not being insightful?...
I know it's a lost cause even on /. anymore, but the Windows OS is the problem. These are children who are writing these things. If a child points out that the emperor has no clothes we arrest it? The emperor keeps coming out into the public naked, and children keep pointing it out, and we keep blaming the children....
I suppose you're right. It was water from the fountain machine then. Still, it wasn't bottled, and I drank it from the cup....
It's Superman's fault. All cuz that bitch, Lois Lane, went and died, so he flew real fast and sped up the crust, then switched it back, but now the inside is still all fucked up....
Y2K was a walk in the park.
You apparently missed Pat Robertson's leadups....
I was rather shocked and disappointed, recently, when I could not take my seven-year old daughter to the movies and get one adult and one child's ticket and one bag of small popcorn and two small cokes for under $20. Since that was the amount of cash I got from the atm, and since I had no time to run back as the movie was starting, I had to pay for a water which cost me $1 -- from the tap.
Not to mention the fact that I then found I had exposed her to some movie about Michael Jackson torturing children in some candy factory (Charlie And The Chocolate Factory).
And Hollywood wonders why they're losing money....
Excellent link to the book! Thank you!
Your description of The Tao I entirely agree with and see no contradiction with my own understanding from the professor's work.
I did indeed give my opinion as I am right now. Everything is opinion. Objectivity is the claim of "the me" for "me" when arguing with "the you."
Evolution? I mentioned not the topic. Thou puttest words in mine mouth. A changing of the gears have we. Would it shock you if I said I entirely believe in the concept? Or, perhaps I should quote Gandhi who, when asked what he thought of Western Civilization said, "it would be a great idea...."
Get rid of our soul and a lot of things become easy.
Now that's a quote....
We, and all we are, are dogma. I'd rather cite Pink Floyd's Eclipse here....
A life lived totally void of absolutes -- void of The Tao -- is best lived under a concept of egotism. At least, that's what I would do. I believe Robert Ringer's Looking Out For Number One is a good starting point. Ted Bundy also effectively argued the approach in explaining his activities as did Calvin to Hobbes who then pushed Calvin into a mud puddle demonstrably illustrating the point.
As for nihilism: that's a rather broad one used by many for many things. Nietzsche described Christianity as nihilistic and, of course, theologians labeled him with as much. Nihilism is true void and overtly absent of absolutes. I believe a better term you are looking for is anarchy -- in describing what I gave above -- and it is a brother to nihilism (I use anarchy in a non-political sense, or broadly enough to include politics I should say. Basically, Plato's idea that it best describes the breaking down of natural order). A Taoless system is quite different, I argue, as it indeed has absolutes (which nihilism and anarchy do not), it just doesn't want that/those absolutes to have anyone behind them -- no force, no Tao, no god. It defines absolutes from within humanity alone -- dangerous ground....
Again, understand my point, modern thought that labels religion as the "opiate of the masses" tends to not desire nihilism or anarchy. It wants exactly what religion wanted, just without the bothersome parental figure. In the end, however, I argue that what such thought does and will produce is chaos....
I do not believe I stated that the Jewish Holocaust was the first example of genocide. I stated that it was the first example of eliminating a people for the sake of their elimination, period. All other killings had another primary goal: land, loot, etc. Your source rather confirms my point....
I have a good IT job, but earlier this year applied for another at a different company (looking for more $/benefits). I spoke only to the HR people (typical) who, among other things, wanted someone with at least 5 years experience with Windows2003 server and 10 years with Exchange 2000. My explanations regarding their criteria left them silent and unimpressed. They also didn't find my migration of 5000 users at a $3 billion corporation from Lotus Notes to Exchange (utilizing Sendmail for routing) a worthy enough credential to make up for only having some 2 years experience with E2K....
I'm sorta answering things in general here that I've spied throughout this thread:
Quaint are these arguments pinning all the woes of the Western world on religion, on Christianity. Typically, Christianity is blamed for any and all murders, genocides, etc. I find that systems void of any deity are quite effective at slaughtering people too, thus we had millions killed, murdered, exterminated under fascism/communism (and whatever "ism" Pol Pot ran).
In the Abolition of Man Lewis argues that there has always been a string of truth throughout civilization (citing there is only one civilization). He calls this the Tao and argues that it has always existed and keeps cropping up no matter what in whatever religious form. Kant's paradox points this out as he compares the mystery of the starry heavens to the mystery of the moral law within. We just can't escape it -- this need to do and be right, so, call it what you will, but Christianity is simply another form of it (no one ever said it was perfect).
Lewis goes on to note that, for the first time ever, the Tao is actually under attack and in jeopardy of being done away with -- that this is a unique event in history. This is exactly what happened the last century in Germany, the USSR and Cambodia -- Taoless (The Tao being a general concept of a supernatural force we must answer to) systems took over the minds of humanity (yes, even in Cambodia -- oddly). Now, people died, and, sure, people died under religions too, but the fact remains that, for the first time ever, people were killed, en mass, not for land, not for belief, not for any reason other than the fact that they no longer should exist on the planet. The Jewish Holocaust is the best example of this. It was killing, for the first time ever, with the goal of entirely eliminating a certain people from the planet. Say what you will, but all other wars and conflicts had another, primary, goal.
In short, Christianity may suck, religion may suck, but these have never produced the goal which a Taoless system has produced, nor has ever such a dismal concept been conceived in any religion.
Irreligious systems, Taoless systems (communism, fascism, etc.), surprisingly, have the same goals as religion. They simply don't want a god to be any part of the solution, but this causes the paradox of demanding the function of a heart without having a heart. We simply don't behave very well on our own without the thought that we will, eventually, answer to a higher force. It is the brain that feeds the stomach through the heart. We remove the organ and demand the function.... We castrate and then demand the gelding procreate -- it simply cannot happen. Or, Lewis puts it another way, "what makes a man sit in the trench through the 6th hour of bombardment for God and country?" which he answers, "what else can make a man sit through the 6th hour of bombardment but God and country?" (These quotes from memory). This leads into thought that along with religion comes concepts of country, nationhood, family, etc. One could argue that we are moving beyond these hindrances -- that the American Civil War marked the end of state-centeredness and into nationhood, or that the end of WWII marked the end of nationhood and into a global community. Indeed, perhaps we are moving beyond god, beyond the boundaries of answering to such a force, but without the heart -- without these pesky religions -- it is an ominous world looming wherein there is no great parent up there to whom we must answer, where Nietzsche's ubermensch will create his own world, in his own likeness and the final minorities who don't look like me must be removed as so much infestation.
I empathize with Voltaire who witnessed the horror of a flawed religion, a flawed Christianity. I empathize with Bultmann who attempted to save the embattled faith from itself, but at the end of the day Kant's "moral law within" cannot be escaped, nor can it be supplanted with a godless system based on what's best
That /. is going in. The only topic better than this one would be, "are women psychopaths?" Or, better yet, "women ARE psychpaths...."
Canada has far more vast, unpopulated regions than the US could ever possibly hope to have.
Allow me to reference Southpark for a moment:
Kyle: How do we get to Ottawa?
Canadian: We're in Canada! There's only one road!
By the way, watch out for Scott, he's a dick!
Thank you
I wonder what the limit might be for an omni-directional to a directional antennae setup. Or, between two omnis....
Because all companies are different. Some companies have great health insurance, but crappy life. Some offer great benefits all around, but everyone has to sit in a cube. Some companies believe in IT and pour money into it. Other companies think IT is a necessary evil, and they toss scraps at it like a mangy junkyard dog -- this would best explain CNN....
Yep, it's totally nuts I tell ya. They make an OS and webserver that fosters Codered. Codered breaks the Internet. Microsoft makes patch to fix crappy OS. New reports: "Microsoft has fixed the Internet!"
It just sounds so much like mafia "protection money."
the sex probably wouldn't be as good.
Who said we'd give the women metal bodies?... Well, just a few well-placed accessories maybe....
I'll be frank
Can I still be George?
My company uses MS Office. On my own I installed OpenOffice and have tried to use it. I have found it to be a pain. I find myself opening .docs and .xls with word and excel instead of OO. Mainly because OO is slow. It seems to take OO 5 to 10 times as long to open a .doc file as Word. I'm sure there are reasons for this. Also, the formatting, menus and bothersome popups to save the document in the open format (which maybe you can turn off) do nothing but slow down work.
If I'm having frustrations with it and I *want* to use it, just imagine how our 1000s of users will react who don't....
I protest my "redundant" score, cuz at the time I started the post no one had said it yet. I mean, this is like quantum physics and stuff. Hey! What I just said is at least interesting....
Someone mod up previous poster....