There's an edit source button on the XO. In the Sugar environment it pulls up the source code of the current program for editing. In order to teach these waifs proper respect for the sacred and occult art of programming, it will be replaced with a device that delivers a mild electric shock. Of course, no matter how many times they press it nothing else will happen because unlike an operating system the Windows operating environment comes with neither source code nor a compiler.
Before being permitted to operate their Microsoft Enhanced XO systems they must be taught the proper rituals of Windows Update, Antivirus Update, Virus Removal, Patch Tuesday and Troubleshooting Wednesday. These will be provided by a Microsoft authorized Training Center and will be four days of rigorous training followed by a certification exam and be offered for only $2300 per student.
Because some of the XOs might be used in an isolated environment until Microsoft figures out this "mesh networking", the Microsoft Enhanced XO will have its malware preinstalled.
Mesh networking is provisionally anticipated to be delivered in 2012, and a secure network stack is not expected ever.
OLPC is good enough to access content like MIT Open Courseware. Expanding access to content like that from what was previously available to these kids is just amazing.
There are a lot of brilliant people in the world who, for lack of access to good education cannot realise their potential. I would prefer that your lack of imagination not prevent them. We are going to need them.
I would also prefer that the next billion people to come online in the digital age not be burning 300 watts each to support Microsoft bloatware. That's a lot of carbon for no real benefit.
Many technologies come in two versions for much of their life cycle: A cheap and popular version and a marginally technically better but far more expensive version that takes an early lead and then fails. The better more expensive version always takes the lead early on because early adopters are willing to pay premium prices for quality products. Then the innovator behind it leverages the popularity to ramp the licensing cost at just the wrong inflection of the demand curve, driving consumers to the adequate and cheap competitor until economies of scale make the cheap version ubiquitous and continued sale of the premium version impractical. At that point Betamax version buyers lose all their investment in quality equipment and other products.
It's called the Betamax theory because Sony is often the innovator behind a technology that takes an early lead and then fails as was the case with the excellent (for the time) Betamax video cassette players, media and content. Examples prior to the Betamax technology era may exist but the triumph of the inferior VHS over the obviously better Beta format is definitive.
The Betamax theory demonstrates the criticality of timing and economies of scale in innovation and marketing by highlighting negative examples. When the innovator with the superior technology defers the high margins associated with platform ownership until later in the demand curve, the inferior product fails and ultimately high margins are realised. Essentially a Betamax Theory Product is a failed competitor in a narrow market that will sustain only one dominant technology because of high demand for compatibility.
Examples include Beta/VHS, Memory Stick/Secure Digital, Firewire/USB, SCSI/ATA, Rambus/DDR, Plasma/LCD, Fibre Channel/Ethernet, MiniDisc/MP3(Player), MicroChannel/PCI, BluRay/HD-DVD, AAC/MP3(content), UMD/Secure Digital, D8/DV, and so on.
Non-Betamax technologies include: iPod, Coax cable TV, wired telephone, IBM PC. In each case the innovator monopolized the market fully before exploiting the leverage of monopoly and realized significant monopoly benefits thereby.
Pick stuff from the great minds on all sides of the aisles and quit freaking drinking a religion or kool-aid.
Stuff from the great minds on one side of the aisle is valuable intellectual property they're entitled to not share, and I'm moral enough not to want it if they don't want to share it.
The stuff you are still finding wonderful, is crap I was designing or coding over 20 years ago.
I found it wonderful then. These days the stuff I find wonderful is the stuff everybody can use and improve, like was the case back then. If in some way your contributions advanced the art, well, thanks for that.
One of the biggest barriers to Vista adoption is that people don't know what it's incompatible with and trying every feature of every app is terribly time consuming. I know the list I quoted is out of date. If Microsoft would just publish the real information, or at least retask some of these astroturfers to create a current list on this wiki - which btw is what you find when you google vista incompatible - uptake would probably be a lot better.
I can't believe I just did that. Ew.
So you have any info on how soon Hyperion will be supported? For once I really want to know.
I get the need for Microsoft to have a presence on these boards to correct misinformation, equalize the marketing message and in general leverage the free forum to capture mindshare.
This guy though is doing it wrong. The net effect is negative if he just keeps aggravating me into posting links to disprove his crackpot theories. The OMG Vista R0xorz enthusiasm just isn't credible. The message that gets out is the most interesting and informative links I can post. Believe me I can keep that up forever and his objective will not benefit.
What I'm saying I guess is I need a better quality astroturfer assigned to me.
I just love how people who know nothing about Microsoft other than "I'm supposed to hate them" are always jumping to the most nefarious conclusions based on the most flimsy and innocuous of evidence.
As you can imagine, this makes it a lot more difficult for the BSA to come in and claim that you're using unlicensed software.
Now why would somebody just quote two lines of your post and not comment on it at all?
SSD storage will be much more capacious and cheaper.
RAM will be no faster nor more capacious, but it will have much more "DDR3" and cost twice as much.
They're try and Ram a Bus up us again.
Vista = FAIL (and all its fans, too)
Blu-Ray will exploit their initial success with $70 HD movies. HD-DVD will rise from the dead with license-free movies and smack the crap out of Sony. Again. Like this doesn't happen every time.
Available 500GB eSCSI drives will arrive the same day as 2TB SATA drives, cost $10,000, and be on the market for most of a day.
In every market where FiOS gets deployed Comcast will suddenly remember they've got all this dark fiber they could light up for cheap.
A new politician will be elected president. At just the moment in history when we need a President, we'll have another politician.
Britney will kill herself. Her mom will use that as her cue to go forward with her parenting book.
The war will enter a new phase, with a new name, but it will look just like the last phase and cost twice as much.
Microsoft does hire bright minds. It's a pity what they do to them. And with them.
As for poorly trying to attack the NT platform for multi-tasking,...
The "NT platform" didn't invent multitasking. They cribbed it from the Mach kernel with the help of Dave Cutler. That's what they meant by "Unix underpinnings". Unfortunately, like a psychotic french chef, they'll adopt the best recipe for bouillabaisse but they don't like the flavor until they pee in it. The result was so hideously insecure it nearly broke the Internet - and that's saying something. The Internet was designed to survive nuclear war, but Code Red nearly broke it. I will concede that NT was the first useful Windows platform - but not that better alternatives didn't exist even then.
You evade the point that by the time NT came out in 1992, Unix had had multitasking for more than 20 years. Let's not forget your statement, shall we?:
assuming Windows users were like Mac users and were only capable of running one application at a time...
... As if.mac were the only alternative. Lovely. Say what you want about.mac and nobody cares. OS X is Unix. When Windows is a Unix, get back to me, k? Did you know OS X server has drag and drop clustering, and network imaging built right in? I didn't think so.
Disparage Apple's video playback all you want. I don't care for any DRM'd format so you're not going to bother me. I would bet a week's pay you couldn't decode a token string into a framebuffer using only the specification and C between now and the end of your pitiful existence, but I can and you miss the point: iTunes users care enough to avoid Vista, and that's the only thing saving this post from being off topic.
If you want to further try to argue the multi-tasking issue as a Windows Vista issue, go look up BeOS...
Cute. You're bringing up BeOS. You don't even do your homework well enough to check my slashdot user page where my favorite quote sits:
"I once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense -- I deserve it." Jean-Louis Gassée, former CEO, BeOS
And you have the gall to call me semi-retarded.
Then go look up a little fact that Vista is the only major consumer OS....
You know, if you narrow the scope of that statement any more it's going to disappear entirely. Who decides "major"? Who decides "consumer"? I'm asking because Shuttle has just announced a box that's going to clean your clock, the eee is sweeping the world, the olpc is selling in the millions of units and for years you have been able to buy a Linux PC at Wal-Mart, including the $200 PC I'm typing this on (but I got it from zareason and it works just fine, thanks, and no it's not my only one).
Then go look up a little fact that Vista is the only major consumer OS that uses realtime scheduling for multi-media, something OS X just can't do.
OK, let's talk about the Vista scheduler a little bit. You've got some insight into this you would like to share. It's completely fa
Basically all media come in two formats: A cheap and popular version and a marginally technically better but far more expensive version that hangs on but never holds sway. The better more expensive version always takes the lead early on because early adopters are willing to pay premium prices for quality products. Then the R&D giant behind it leverages the popularity to ramp the licensing cost at just the wrong inflection of the demand curve, driving consumers to the adequate and cheap version until you can't find content in the high quality version any more and Betamax version buyers lose all their investment in quality equipment and content.
It's easy know which version is which because Sony is almost always behind the expensive one.
SCSI, and all the iSAS evolved variants, are examples of the Betamax of hard drives. Notice you can't get one in decent capacity for any price these days?
It's like watching all the Friday the 13th sequels actually. Each time it looks like it's going to be a new movie, and then it's the same movie all over again.
I was way past bored with beating you guys with the cluebat and was ready to give up this thread. I don't know how much you're getting paid for this but I'm on my own time and I've got better things to do than try to teach a pig to sing.
You know, even little crap, like how Quicktime use to maximize the installation application over the entire desktop and taskbar on Windows during installation, assuming Windows users were like Mac users and were only capable of running one application at a time...
And then you had to go and say that. I can't let you go misleading the newbies like that. Listen, Mr. "I have two developers": I was writing code for Unix on my huge graphical X terminal multitasking all day so long before Gates and Company had heard of multitasking that they hadn't even stolen the idea for graphical windows yet. I believe at that time they were still trying to figure out that whole "subdirectory" concept. It would be more than a decade before they could figure out that preemption is better than cooperation. The crud they made back then was positively heinous but you had to know better to know how truly bad it was. You can not has multitasking. Not yours.
So as long as I'm here, on my preferred platform if the video player whose interface I liked got a flaky update that caused video to stutter, I'd fix it. I'd revert the version or click the source package download and bind in a video library and widget I liked using Eclipse and GPP. I wouldn't have to have somebody do it for me and it wouldn't take eight hours either. I really don't care that in some cases iTunes doesn't work on Vista unless at that moment someone is paying me to make it work. What I think is pertinent to the discussion is that so many things don't work on Vista that people are starting to see that the emperor has no clothes.
Your attack on the credibility of my sources is hollow too. If you have a better authority than Microsoft's own website on whether Microsoft SQL Server 2005 is compatible with Vista, I'd like to see it.
You know what this whole thread lacks? More than one person that has tried more than one of these apps successfully.
Also don't forget that it is not MS's responsibility to fix 'badly' coded software by every donkey and their brother. If they wrote software that is crap and works like crap or does crap it shouldn't, MS can only do so much, and even in this regard the Application Compatibility system in Vista 'corrects' 1000s of software titles in realtime that are 3rd party problems, not Vista nor MS's.
5.5.1 Scripting Incompatible with Microsoft Windows Vista In this release, Microsoft Visual Studio for Applications (VSA)--the scripting development environment and run-time engine that the Script task and Script component in Integration Services use--is incompatible with the final version of Windows Vista. If a computer is running the final version of Windows Vista, you cannot use that computer to edit or debug scripts in Integration Services, nor run Integration Services packages that contain scripts.
Can we forgive Microsoft for not supporting a development tool that was updated last August and still isn't compatible?
What else might use Visual Studio for Applications? Apparently it was an early version of.NET. Microsoft seems to be in the process of memwiping it from their webservers. This is not the web development platform of the future you were looking for. Google remembers though. If it weren't for Google and archive.org the only thing we'd have to remember this aborted plot is all the applications that won't run any more.
I know I'm preaching to the deaf and blind here - that you're trying not to hear me. Compare all of the apps that will run on Vista with the apps that will run on Ubuntu using a virtual machine with XP and you see where the problem lies. We don't need to buy new Windows any more. Since Vista lacks any compelling feature, isn't better looking, is less secure and comes inseparable from a metric ton of WTFWYThinking? using it is pointless. We can keep all our expensive software and use it on all-new shiny hardware and we don't have pay Suckage Assurance for the continuing right to do so.
And no, I don't have any sympathy for people who throw their money away on DRM infested iTunes videos, nor whether they play on vista with any sort of hard drive or chipset, unless they're paying me to care. They care, though. More than they care for Vista, I'll tell you.
5.5.1 Scripting Incompatible with Microsoft Windows Vista
In this release, Microsoft Visual Studio for Applications (VSA)--the scripting development environment and run-time engine that the Script task and Script component in Integration Services use--is incompatible with the final version of Windows Vista. If a computer is running the final version of Windows Vista, you cannot use that computer to edit or debug scripts in Integration Services, nor run Integration Services packages that contain scripts.
Let's just add that to the incompatibility list, shall we? Development tool and all the applications ever developed with it.
Thanks for the link. So the database runs, that's compatible, if the app that requires it installs and/or permits SP2. Yay. No SSIS scripts though. I've never used SSIS, but I bet somebody thinks that's important.
This paper discusses the challenges that face businesses that rely on data integration technologies to provide meaningful, reliable information to maintain a competitive advantage in today's business world. It discusses how SQL Server 2005 Integration Services (SSIS) can help Information Technology departments meet data integration requirements in their companies. Real-world scenarios are included.
Hmmm. Reliable. I don't think that word means what they think it means. I should think if I relied on their reliable SSIS to maintain a competetive advantage and then discovered the very next year that it was incompatible with the OS that was in Beta when it came out, that would be the last time I relied on that particular vendor.
I don't know how it is in the US but in the UK for example it's illegal to use a VCR to record a TV programme - however nobody ever prosecutes (because it would be silly) so the law is effectively meaningless.
Don't you have the kind that record to DVD? They're only $50 (£25.29) here. It's difficult to imagine what that feature would be for if not to record TV shows.
You're on to something there. Here is a sample of XP running under Ubuntu. It's stable, it can be secured. You can use all the free stuff that's a couple clicks away for all Linux users - an embarrassment of choices actually. It supports all of your processors and memory. It's updated more often. It's more secure - and not in the context of "the most secure Windows ever" either. It doesn't have millions of malware applications. Drive-by installs are unheard of. The only anti-virus available is just in case you happen to be serving mail to vulnerable Windows clients.
All that and you can open up a copy of your base VM and if it gets exploited or its configuration goes haywire or something you can just delete it and open a new copy. If it crashes it doesn't take the computer with it. You can keep all the licensed software you paid so much for - and your XP software doesn't expire or phone home and it works with everything XP does except a few games - and fewer every week. Using Samba you can share work folders from the real computer to the VM so your precious data isn't hostage to your flaky Windows environment any more than it must be in order to use all those Microsoft Apps in the first place. Remember to store stuff you care about in portable formats.
Yeah, I like that plan. When you upgrade your computer you can just copy the VM over and it will run again just fine. When you realize you haven't used it in a long time because Windows is like, so last century you can just move it to offline storage and forget it - or move it to a server and remote in. Migration has never been this easy before.
And portable in ways that Windows never has been? How running XP on the PS3 under linux grab you? It apparently grabbed the attention of 700,000 other people. Localization for the OS and apps on a scale Windows has never had and never will - the foreigners will like that.
There's no point in getting Vista, imho, unless you're getting it with a new machine in the first place.
Tell me you're not an IT pro. Going with the OEM install of any Windows OS is just unspeakable. You probably don't have any idea how much access OEMs sell to their image files. Almost every OEM install I've ever seen was so loaded down with crudware it would barely run at all, if it would run at all.
It goes or it don't. Once you've discovered that Vista won't go for you (and believe me, they all must try it themselves because they just won't believe it without personal experience) then why not try something else before returning from whence you left?
Many of the IT pros I've talked to about Vista are sorely disappointed. They are for the most part heavily invested in Microsoft technologies. They've taken the courses, gotten their certs. They've expended time, intellect, money and personal credibility keeping up with and moving forward these technologies they can make work. Then here comes this disgusting beast and they realize they're expected to push it like it was the Next Great Thing and it's not. They know that if they push it they're going to be the ones who lose all credibility when nobody can get it to work. The odd thing is how much they try to not hear that there's something better -- that there always has been. It's sad, really, to see an otherwise bright person in so much denial they can barely function at their job. They're unhappy, and they know that, but they don't know why.
Most of the bright people I know are free thinkers, though. They've been playing around with Linux, Mac OS, BSD and they like where they're at and where they're going. They're investing the time and intellect to increase their understanding and spending the money to get certified. Time will tell but lifeboats are seldom a bad investment when you know the ship is sinking.
When you go back to XP64 install it as a guest OS VM in a more rational OS. That way when you realize you haven't used it for a while you can drag the image into the trash and recover the space more readily.
Every significant version of Windows has had software and hardware compatibility problems. And they always get solved the same way, software gets updated and old hardware dies. It's just been a while since we've had a new version of Windows and ISVs and IHVs have gotten a bit complacent.
Except Windows ME. Everybody forgets Windows ME. Or wishes they could.
That's the best you can come up with to say Vista is bad?
Yeah, I would say "it does not work" is a fairly significant issue for most people. They don't care why all this software won't work including Novell Client, Brio Intelligence Explorer, SecondLife Client, Crystal Reports, Microsoft SQL Server (both 2005 and 2007) and the myriad apps that require that. They don't care why all this hardware won't work including VIA KT400 chipset with radeon graphics controller, many popular tv tuner cards and nearly all Adaptec RAID controllers.
What they care about is that it is their computer and they want it to do stuff that Vista won't do. There are enough problems that they're not corner cases - they are the main stream. For goodness sake how does Microsoft make an OS incompatible with any flavor of Intel NIC? Who doesn't save files from a share to a pendrive, or upload pictures from their camera? Don't you think a normal person would want that to happen in under a month? iTunes? It won't work with iTunes? You don't think people are going to consider that a deliberate failure? Or a fatal flaw?
That's it. "It won't do what I must have my computer do" is the dealbreaker for everybody I've seen use it so far.
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There's an edit source button on the XO. In the Sugar environment it pulls up the source code of the current program for editing. In order to teach these waifs proper respect for the sacred and occult art of programming, it will be replaced with a device that delivers a mild electric shock. Of course, no matter how many times they press it nothing else will happen because unlike an operating system the Windows operating environment comes with neither source code nor a compiler.
Before being permitted to operate their Microsoft Enhanced XO systems they must be taught the proper rituals of Windows Update, Antivirus Update, Virus Removal, Patch Tuesday and Troubleshooting Wednesday. These will be provided by a Microsoft authorized Training Center and will be four days of rigorous training followed by a certification exam and be offered for only $2300 per student.
Because some of the XOs might be used in an isolated environment until Microsoft figures out this "mesh networking", the Microsoft Enhanced XO will have its malware preinstalled.
Mesh networking is provisionally anticipated to be delivered in 2012, and a secure network stack is not expected ever.
It is here.
OLPC is good enough to access content like MIT Open Courseware. Expanding access to content like that from what was previously available to these kids is just amazing.
There are a lot of brilliant people in the world who, for lack of access to good education cannot realise their potential. I would prefer that your lack of imagination not prevent them. We are going to need them.
I would also prefer that the next billion people to come online in the digital age not be burning 300 watts each to support Microsoft bloatware. That's a lot of carbon for no real benefit.
Many technologies come in two versions for much of their life cycle: A cheap and popular version and a marginally technically better but far more expensive version that takes an early lead and then fails. The better more expensive version always takes the lead early on because early adopters are willing to pay premium prices for quality products. Then the innovator behind it leverages the popularity to ramp the licensing cost at just the wrong inflection of the demand curve, driving consumers to the adequate and cheap competitor until economies of scale make the cheap version ubiquitous and continued sale of the premium version impractical. At that point Betamax version buyers lose all their investment in quality equipment and other products.
It's called the Betamax theory because Sony is often the innovator behind a technology that takes an early lead and then fails as was the case with the excellent (for the time) Betamax video cassette players, media and content. Examples prior to the Betamax technology era may exist but the triumph of the inferior VHS over the obviously better Beta format is definitive.
The Betamax theory demonstrates the criticality of timing and economies of scale in innovation and marketing by highlighting negative examples. When the innovator with the superior technology defers the high margins associated with platform ownership until later in the demand curve, the inferior product fails and ultimately high margins are realised. Essentially a Betamax Theory Product is a failed competitor in a narrow market that will sustain only one dominant technology because of high demand for compatibility.
Examples include Beta/VHS, Memory Stick/Secure Digital, Firewire/USB, SCSI/ATA, Rambus/DDR, Plasma/LCD, Fibre Channel/Ethernet, MiniDisc/MP3(Player), MicroChannel/PCI, BluRay/HD-DVD, AAC/MP3(content), UMD/Secure Digital, D8/DV, and so on.
Non-Betamax technologies include: iPod, Coax cable TV, wired telephone, IBM PC. In each case the innovator monopolized the market fully before exploiting the leverage of monopoly and realized significant monopoly benefits thereby.
Stupid blackberry. Click the betamax theory link in my comment history for an explanation.
Stuff from the great minds on one side of the aisle is valuable intellectual property they're entitled to not share, and I'm moral enough not to want it if they don't want to share it.
I found it wonderful then. These days the stuff I find wonderful is the stuff everybody can use and improve, like was the case back then. If in some way your contributions advanced the art, well, thanks for that.
That would be my current guess, yes.
One of the biggest barriers to Vista adoption is that people don't know what it's incompatible with and trying every feature of every app is terribly time consuming. I know the list I quoted is out of date. If Microsoft would just publish the real information, or at least retask some of these astroturfers to create a current list on this wiki - which btw is what you find when you google vista incompatible - uptake would probably be a lot better.
I can't believe I just did that. Ew.
So you have any info on how soon Hyperion will be supported? For once I really want to know.
I get the need for Microsoft to have a presence on these boards to correct misinformation, equalize the marketing message and in general leverage the free forum to capture mindshare.
This guy though is doing it wrong. The net effect is negative if he just keeps aggravating me into posting links to disprove his crackpot theories. The OMG Vista R0xorz enthusiasm just isn't credible. The message that gets out is the most interesting and informative links I can post. Believe me I can keep that up forever and his objective will not benefit.
What I'm saying I guess is I need a better quality astroturfer assigned to me.
And just to touch the topic, Vista SP1 doesn't look this good, at least not to me.
Now why would somebody just quote two lines of your post and not comment on it at all?
Microsoft does hire bright minds. It's a pity what they do to them. And with them.
The "NT platform" didn't invent multitasking. They cribbed it from the Mach kernel with the help of Dave Cutler. That's what they meant by "Unix underpinnings". Unfortunately, like a psychotic french chef, they'll adopt the best recipe for bouillabaisse but they don't like the flavor until they pee in it. The result was so hideously insecure it nearly broke the Internet - and that's saying something. The Internet was designed to survive nuclear war, but Code Red nearly broke it. I will concede that NT was the first useful Windows platform - but not that better alternatives didn't exist even then.
You evade the point that by the time NT came out in 1992, Unix had had multitasking for more than 20 years. Let's not forget your statement, shall we?:
... As if .mac were the only alternative. Lovely. Say what you want about .mac and nobody cares. OS X is Unix. When Windows is a Unix, get back to me, k? Did you know OS X server has drag and drop clustering, and network imaging built right in? I didn't think so.
Disparage Apple's video playback all you want. I don't care for any DRM'd format so you're not going to bother me. I would bet a week's pay you couldn't decode a token string into a framebuffer using only the specification and C between now and the end of your pitiful existence, but I can and you miss the point: iTunes users care enough to avoid Vista, and that's the only thing saving this post from being off topic.
Cute. You're bringing up BeOS. You don't even do your homework well enough to check my slashdot user page where my favorite quote sits:
And you have the gall to call me semi-retarded.
You know, if you narrow the scope of that statement any more it's going to disappear entirely. Who decides "major"? Who decides "consumer"? I'm asking because Shuttle has just announced a box that's going to clean your clock, the eee is sweeping the world, the olpc is selling in the millions of units and for years you have been able to buy a Linux PC at Wal-Mart, including the $200 PC I'm typing this on (but I got it from zareason and it works just fine, thanks, and no it's not my only one).
OK, let's talk about the Vista scheduler a little bit. You've got some insight into this you would like to share. It's completely fa
Much better. Thanks.
A well considered argument with facts I can take. Now I'll go bash this twit one more time and go to bed.
Basically all media come in two formats: A cheap and popular version and a marginally technically better but far more expensive version that hangs on but never holds sway. The better more expensive version always takes the lead early on because early adopters are willing to pay premium prices for quality products. Then the R&D giant behind it leverages the popularity to ramp the licensing cost at just the wrong inflection of the demand curve, driving consumers to the adequate and cheap version until you can't find content in the high quality version any more and Betamax version buyers lose all their investment in quality equipment and content.
It's easy know which version is which because Sony is almost always behind the expensive one.
SCSI, and all the iSAS evolved variants, are examples of the Betamax of hard drives. Notice you can't get one in decent capacity for any price these days?
It's like watching all the Friday the 13th sequels actually. Each time it looks like it's going to be a new movie, and then it's the same movie all over again.
And then they exploit their market leverage for licensing dollars. The pendulum swings and the end is always the same.
I was way past bored with beating you guys with the cluebat and was ready to give up this thread. I don't know how much you're getting paid for this but I'm on my own time and I've got better things to do than try to teach a pig to sing.
And then you had to go and say that. I can't let you go misleading the newbies like that. Listen, Mr. "I have two developers": I was writing code for Unix on my huge graphical X terminal multitasking all day so long before Gates and Company had heard of multitasking that they hadn't even stolen the idea for graphical windows yet. I believe at that time they were still trying to figure out that whole "subdirectory" concept. It would be more than a decade before they could figure out that preemption is better than cooperation. The crud they made back then was positively heinous but you had to know better to know how truly bad it was. You can not has multitasking. Not yours.
So as long as I'm here, on my preferred platform if the video player whose interface I liked got a flaky update that caused video to stutter, I'd fix it. I'd revert the version or click the source package download and bind in a video library and widget I liked using Eclipse and GPP. I wouldn't have to have somebody do it for me and it wouldn't take eight hours either. I really don't care that in some cases iTunes doesn't work on Vista unless at that moment someone is paying me to make it work. What I think is pertinent to the discussion is that so many things don't work on Vista that people are starting to see that the emperor has no clothes.
Your attack on the credibility of my sources is hollow too. If you have a better authority than Microsoft's own website on whether Microsoft SQL Server 2005 is compatible with Vista, I'd like to see it.
You know what this whole thread lacks? More than one person that has tried more than one of these apps successfully.
Enough. G'night.
Let's have a look at some of that software that is crap and works like crap or does crap it shouldn't as you so eloquently put it. It appears that the Microsoft SQL Server 2005 SP2 has something called Visual Studio for Applications - the scripts for which are not compatible with Vista.
Can we forgive Microsoft for not supporting a development tool that was updated last August and still isn't compatible?
What else might use Visual Studio for Applications? Apparently it was an early version of .NET. Microsoft seems to be in the process of memwiping it from their webservers. This is not the web development platform of the future you were looking for. Google remembers though. If it weren't for Google and archive.org the only thing we'd have to remember this aborted plot is all the applications that won't run any more.
I know I'm preaching to the deaf and blind here - that you're trying not to hear me. Compare all of the apps that will run on Vista with the apps that will run on Ubuntu using a virtual machine with XP and you see where the problem lies. We don't need to buy new Windows any more. Since Vista lacks any compelling feature, isn't better looking, is less secure and comes inseparable from a metric ton of WTFWYThinking? using it is pointless. We can keep all our expensive software and use it on all-new shiny hardware and we don't have pay Suckage Assurance for the continuing right to do so.
And no, I don't have any sympathy for people who throw their money away on DRM infested iTunes videos, nor whether they play on vista with any sort of hard drive or chipset, unless they're paying me to care. They care, though. More than they care for Vista, I'll tell you.
That page leads to a link, Readme for Microsoft SQL Server 2005 SP2 which says:
Let's just add that to the incompatibility list, shall we? Development tool and all the applications ever developed with it.
Thanks for the link. So the database runs, that's compatible, if the app that requires it installs and/or permits SP2. Yay. No SSIS scripts though. I've never used SSIS, but I bet somebody thinks that's important.
Let's see what Microsoft has to say about SQL Server Integration Services (SSIS), shall we?
Hmmm. Reliable. I don't think that word means what they think it means. I should think if I relied on their reliable SSIS to maintain a competetive advantage and then discovered the very next year that it was incompatible with the OS that was in Beta when it came out, that would be the last time I relied on that particular vendor.
Y'know what? If you have any more corrections to this thread, why don't you go ahead and just post them to the wiki. It's a wiki, y'know. You can fix what's wrong with it if you disagree with it - but it seems to be more reliable than your information. Anyway, Mary Jo Foley seemed to like it. On a completely different note, she's blogging today about Microsoft relenting on the disabling older file formats issue. A reminder to those that don't know: Microsoft chose to disable access to some older file formats because it couldn't be bothered to clean up the code that opened those file types. They didn't do it because they wanted to render archived documents unreadable or to force people to buy newer versions of Office as some here have claimed.
Don't you have the kind that record to DVD? They're only $50 (£25.29) here. It's difficult to imagine what that feature would be for if not to record TV shows.
You're on to something there. Here is a sample of XP running under Ubuntu. It's stable, it can be secured. You can use all the free stuff that's a couple clicks away for all Linux users - an embarrassment of choices actually. It supports all of your processors and memory. It's updated more often. It's more secure - and not in the context of "the most secure Windows ever" either. It doesn't have millions of malware applications. Drive-by installs are unheard of. The only anti-virus available is just in case you happen to be serving mail to vulnerable Windows clients.
All that and you can open up a copy of your base VM and if it gets exploited or its configuration goes haywire or something you can just delete it and open a new copy. If it crashes it doesn't take the computer with it. You can keep all the licensed software you paid so much for - and your XP software doesn't expire or phone home and it works with everything XP does except a few games - and fewer every week. Using Samba you can share work folders from the real computer to the VM so your precious data isn't hostage to your flaky Windows environment any more than it must be in order to use all those Microsoft Apps in the first place. Remember to store stuff you care about in portable formats.
Yeah, I like that plan. When you upgrade your computer you can just copy the VM over and it will run again just fine. When you realize you haven't used it in a long time because Windows is like, so last century you can just move it to offline storage and forget it - or move it to a server and remote in. Migration has never been this easy before.
And portable in ways that Windows never has been? How running XP on the PS3 under linux grab you? It apparently grabbed the attention of 700,000 other people. Localization for the OS and apps on a scale Windows has never had and never will - the foreigners will like that.
And well, it looks nice too. From the number of views on this one I would say Vista users are suffering a little bling envy.
How is this not moving forward again?
But since you're so nice have a fun video of XP running in a VM under Ubuntu.
Nice graphics, eh? I wonder if Vista SP5 will compare - or be as compatible.
Tell me you're not an IT pro. Going with the OEM install of any Windows OS is just unspeakable. You probably don't have any idea how much access OEMs sell to their image files. Almost every OEM install I've ever seen was so loaded down with crudware it would barely run at all, if it would run at all.
It goes or it don't. Once you've discovered that Vista won't go for you (and believe me, they all must try it themselves because they just won't believe it without personal experience) then why not try something else before returning from whence you left?
Many of the IT pros I've talked to about Vista are sorely disappointed. They are for the most part heavily invested in Microsoft technologies. They've taken the courses, gotten their certs. They've expended time, intellect, money and personal credibility keeping up with and moving forward these technologies they can make work. Then here comes this disgusting beast and they realize they're expected to push it like it was the Next Great Thing and it's not. They know that if they push it they're going to be the ones who lose all credibility when nobody can get it to work. The odd thing is how much they try to not hear that there's something better -- that there always has been. It's sad, really, to see an otherwise bright person in so much denial they can barely function at their job. They're unhappy, and they know that, but they don't know why.
Most of the bright people I know are free thinkers, though. They've been playing around with Linux, Mac OS, BSD and they like where they're at and where they're going. They're investing the time and intellect to increase their understanding and spending the money to get certified. Time will tell but lifeboats are seldom a bad investment when you know the ship is sinking.
When you go back to XP64 install it as a guest OS VM in a more rational OS. That way when you realize you haven't used it for a while you can drag the image into the trash and recover the space more readily.
Except Windows ME. Everybody forgets Windows ME. Or wishes they could.
Yeah, I would say "it does not work" is a fairly significant issue for most people. They don't care why all this software won't work including Novell Client, Brio Intelligence Explorer, SecondLife Client, Crystal Reports, Microsoft SQL Server (both 2005 and 2007) and the myriad apps that require that. They don't care why all this hardware won't work including VIA KT400 chipset with radeon graphics controller, many popular tv tuner cards and nearly all Adaptec RAID controllers.
What they care about is that it is their computer and they want it to do stuff that Vista won't do. There are enough problems that they're not corner cases - they are the main stream. For goodness sake how does Microsoft make an OS incompatible with any flavor of Intel NIC? Who doesn't save files from a share to a pendrive, or upload pictures from their camera? Don't you think a normal person would want that to happen in under a month? iTunes? It won't work with iTunes? You don't think people are going to consider that a deliberate failure? Or a fatal flaw?
That's it. "It won't do what I must have my computer do" is the dealbreaker for everybody I've seen use it so far.