This version of GEOS is available at BreadBox the copyright holder of the GEOS name, trademarks for all versions of GEOS (with possible exception of the Commodore versions of GEOS) since purchase of GeoWorks/NewDeal.
CMDRKEY.COM/Click Here! Software had acquired production rights and very much may have acquired the copyright of the Commodore versions of GEOS from GeoWorks several years ago - LONG before BreadBox acquired GEOS.
To find the Apple 8 Bit versions of GEOS for the Apple II series will be found at www.breadbox.com for download as well as other versions of GEOS is available from BreadBox including the PC/GEOS aka GeoWorks Ensemble.
Commodore version is found at www.cmdrkey.com along with the GEOS DeskTop upgrade (OS upgrade) called Wheels which upgrades the GEOS package with an updated DeskTop system.
CMDRKEY.COM/Click Here! Software is ran by Maurice Randall.
In my opinion, Tulip should make licensed arrangements to sell C-Ones.
BTW: CommodoreOne is now called C-One and it supports SD-RAM and is said to have some sort of FPGA implementation of SD-RAM controller features so we can have full bankswitching. The CPU that comes stock would be a 65c816 CPU. This CPU can directly address upto 16 MBytes but with the integrate SD-RAM control features, one can make full use of SD-RAM modules as large as upto 1 GBytes.
I am in contact with Tulip and want to gather more information. From my understanding, Tulip should provide service support to actual Commodore users which is the key user base that is apparently noted by Tulip. I would be interested in PDA devices that incorporate C-One technology as well as PDAs that hook up to real Commodore computers as well as the C-One. It is fairly simple. They should market products that are more then just another Windows PC with an emulator. It is no Commodore.
It will not clearly market well for just making Windows CE PDAs. It just isn't Commodore. We want something more worthy. For example, "Web.it" was a failure because it does not market well with Commodore users. I do see potential integration of modern products with upgrades to real Commodore equipment and C-One being a technology used in several Commodore branded products.
What is of concern to me is that Tulip may be damages existing synergy and never really improve things because they cause detrimental effects on the Commodore community (scene).
I know there are PC users here and am not saying that Tulip should't integrate PC technology but I think Tulip should not forget the real Commodore users. So guys, don't flame me. I see alot of different potential products they can correlate together but just opt to not mention it all in this message.
Thank You.
Perhaps Jeri implements it for that sake. The 65c816 is for the larger addressing. If you wait awhile longer we may be able to implement a project called the 65GZ032 being developed by Gideon Zweijtzer (sp?) which will incorporate some interesting features. 32 Bit and pipelining.
Thanks, then I can say he got the acronym WRONG and the WRONG subject. FPGA in terms of computers are Fied Programmable Gate Array. Don't mistake it with something similar sounding, FC-PGA (Flip Chip-Pin Grid Array) which has to do with pins. FPGA has very little to do with that except for the most pins are General Purpose I/O which means it can be used for multiple purposes and is redefinable.
65c02 not 6502. There are some differences. 6502 which is the NMOS fabricated model made by MOS Technology aka Commodore Semicondictors (CSG later used). C64 used 6510. The C-1 uses a 65c816 and the 6510 special features are cored into the FPGA (I think) Yet, the two FPGAs have to "emulate" (if you want to call it that) are the VIC-II and SID chip which are *NOT* made anymore.
Jeri Ellsworth made special features known as the Super VIC and Monster SID mode on top of the classic features. These include the full enhanced sound and enhanced video modes like 1280 x 1024 resolution and 65536 colors. (More then your eyes can distinctively tell in an animated motion) Dithered imaging - hehehe lets look at 4 Billion RGB Chroma values.
Hope you can tell.
Correct, for the acroymn - WRONG subject. Get into computers terminologies. Hints: It's not Fantasy Players Gaming Association.
It stands for "Field Programmable Gate Array".
Guess what with FPGA - it can even be the SNES in one chip and also include all the cartridges and all the VHDL implementation of every hardware add-on included in the cartridges and added in on the fly on little Flash Cards the size of a PS2 memory card. Now we may call this the Nintendo Advance - No. Its one chip, and may use less power and still equal ther performance. You could even build your own Gameboy Advance like device with one FPGA. Have 1280 x 1024 resolution. All you need is a 300 K gate logic device. You can even use the Nios core that is built in to such FPGAs as the CPU.
Hallo, the C-One can be many things. Lets not think so outright that the C-One is strictly about "Retro-Computing". It is in ways as ultra-modern by concept that hardware can be reconfigurable. One chip that can be turned into different kinds of hardware. That is a feat that will take incredible CPU power to make as virtual machines. With FPGAs its not virtual and its not emulated. Think of an array of silicon gates that can be rewired on the fly without use of soldering gun or expensive fabrication labs.
The C-One's C-64 mode and compatibility is a feat about retro but think of tha past and the future being put into one point. Futuristic hardware concepts can literally be "proven". Now we can make hardware alot like we can make software. We can make efficient hardware with the same efficient principles of efficient software programming with understanding of hardware.
What about real-world prototyping. Developers will love this. In all reality, we can even be a DVD Player as well. The future of the C-One would be the use of FPGA technology and a new revolution of software that incorporates hardware add-ons on CD-ROM. Now imagine this, I have this super fancy SuperNintendo cartridge, I can now incorporate a SuperFX chip all on CD-ROM. How, it is called VHDL the revolutionary bridge between software and hardware. Our ability to reprogram the hardware via software. The ability to incorporate our very own hardware in every CD-ROM we sell. Now, we can distribute hardware in 10-15 cent CD-R disc (CD-ROM). This is some of many possibilities we can see. This is only the beginning. Reconfigurable hardware is used in even modern DVD Players and digital setop boxes and other luxeries and state of the art products.
Dude, throw in a 50 Mhz eZ80i. Dude, throw in an FPGA chip with a RISC core and clock internal clock rate to 200-250 Mhz and an external clock bus at 50 Mhz and it isn't all to bad when you don't run 50 Billion lines of Bloated Bull$h**.
Yeah, can your monitor display at 300 fps. Its a waste of clock cycles dude. You freakin' eyes can't see that waste. Why bother doing 300 fps dude. I think DVD is cool and that could be done and seen with crystal clarity at 30-60 fps, dude.
The movie projector is only 30 fps. I think thats fast enough, man.
Do you understand what a gate array is. Think of it as an 30000 and a 100000 element array and the array elements have multistate relations. Its a tedious task for the CPU. Yet you need alot of chips. For $250, we can simply throw in an Altera Stratix with 1-3 Million gates. I think that there won't be the hardware technology even in 20 years. You need a Quantumn computer to get a real boost. Other than that, you'll need to have Bill Gates check book.:-)
Because its a Pentium III motherboard. There is no emulation. It is powered by Windows and why emulate. Also it doesn't use hardware that is completely dynamic.
Lets take some common sense, its no brainer to emulate an Atari 400 on a Commodore 64 so whats the difference that an XBox is to a PC. That is what it is basically. Same instruction set, same basic Direct X stuff. So what the he** are you doing. Just patching Windows XP with a few XBox special software. Its essentially the same OS for crying out loud.
The C-One website has not been updated since a few weeks. Many changes have been made in the past, especially changes that make the board a lot more versatile.
First there's to mention the SD-Ram socket. The board is not limited to 32 megs of memory, but it can take any 3.3V SD-Ram up to 1GB. Video/multimedia memory is also expandable to up to 128megs with a SIMM module. >>
Very good... Should we expand onto the features of the FPGA and some of the stuff we can do. I'll go from a message of yours. A 128 MB SIMM is to arrive.
Also let's go about a series of OSs that will be released for the C-One and some projects underway.
I figure you'll need 72.5 Terahertz to 75 Terahertz to emulate. Through in a Altera Stratix FPGA chip into the picture on an add on card and you'll need to emulate it - Especially when it would be reconfigurable too and guess what guys those can be 1 Million Gates or more. So kiss trying to emulate unless you got a 256 computer cluster with each computer having 65536 Pentium IV with the HT technology running at 3.06 Ghz. That's 16 Million CPUs. One of those will be quite expensive.
Before we start with why buy a C-One for $250 if I can buy an Intel MB for $75 and a 1 Ghz CPU and 512 MB of SD-RAM for $250~300. The C-One is not just a Commodore but a variety of computer platforms when you consider that the C-One is completely reprogrammable down to the hardware itself. The key components that makes this computer - Reconfigurable - is the two FPGA chips.
Ok, some of you will ask what is FPGA ? FPGA is an acroynm for Field Programmable Gate Array. Now what does this mean ? The FPGA is a chip that can be reprogrammed to function as different kinds of controllers/ICs/processors to meet a specific task. For more info about FPGAs, check out http://www.altera.com
The C-One is not only a c64 and many other platforms by simply reconfiguring the FPGAs and adding a CPU card (such as a Z80 CPU card) if the computer that you are trying to emulate needs something other than a 65c816. It may even be a custom platform of its own (customizable even by you).
If your concern is to buy the C-One to replace your existing PC. Then you got the wrong idea by thinking "replace". Try thinking compliment/add. If you are truly fed up with Windows, C-One would be a fine replacement computer.
The C-One is targeted for those who want to have fun with the computer. You are open to be creative. Sure it can be used for serious use. Think of it as a new platform that you can have part in shaping its future. Be involved and have fun. I even have some projects that I will love to work on for this machine. The ultimate point depends on how you want to do.
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I will simply suggest you all contact Tulip for precise information about plans to come since this is just the early stuff.
There is stuff that goes on but I am certain there is more stuff than just the USB devices and MP3 players or even the C64DTV.
Just wait and see.
(Hint: There is more stuff than that in plans and discussions but make "serious" suggestions will help. Thank You)
PS: Last note - Don't make final decisions yet. It may suprise you.
I will not be allowed to discuss what they be.
I simply will ask to not make final decisions yet. Just keep your eyes out.
This version of GEOS is available at BreadBox the copyright holder of the GEOS name, trademarks for all versions of GEOS (with possible exception of the Commodore versions of GEOS) since purchase of GeoWorks/NewDeal.
CMDRKEY.COM/Click Here! Software had acquired production rights and very much may have acquired the copyright of the Commodore versions of GEOS from GeoWorks several years ago - LONG before BreadBox acquired GEOS.
To find the Apple 8 Bit versions of GEOS for the Apple II series will be found at www.breadbox.com for download as well as other versions of GEOS is available from BreadBox including the PC/GEOS aka GeoWorks Ensemble.
Commodore version is found at www.cmdrkey.com along with the GEOS DeskTop upgrade (OS upgrade) called Wheels which upgrades the GEOS package with an updated DeskTop system.
CMDRKEY.COM/Click Here! Software is ran by Maurice Randall.
In my opinion, Tulip should make licensed arrangements to sell C-Ones. BTW: CommodoreOne is now called C-One and it supports SD-RAM and is said to have some sort of FPGA implementation of SD-RAM controller features so we can have full bankswitching. The CPU that comes stock would be a 65c816 CPU. This CPU can directly address upto 16 MBytes but with the integrate SD-RAM control features, one can make full use of SD-RAM modules as large as upto 1 GBytes. I am in contact with Tulip and want to gather more information. From my understanding, Tulip should provide service support to actual Commodore users which is the key user base that is apparently noted by Tulip. I would be interested in PDA devices that incorporate C-One technology as well as PDAs that hook up to real Commodore computers as well as the C-One. It is fairly simple. They should market products that are more then just another Windows PC with an emulator. It is no Commodore. It will not clearly market well for just making Windows CE PDAs. It just isn't Commodore. We want something more worthy. For example, "Web.it" was a failure because it does not market well with Commodore users. I do see potential integration of modern products with upgrades to real Commodore equipment and C-One being a technology used in several Commodore branded products. What is of concern to me is that Tulip may be damages existing synergy and never really improve things because they cause detrimental effects on the Commodore community (scene). I know there are PC users here and am not saying that Tulip should't integrate PC technology but I think Tulip should not forget the real Commodore users. So guys, don't flame me. I see alot of different potential products they can correlate together but just opt to not mention it all in this message. Thank You.
FLAME BAIT!!!! She is the designer. It is her idea and her project so shut the......
Perhaps Jeri implements it for that sake. The 65c816 is for the larger addressing. If you wait awhile longer we may be able to implement a project called the 65GZ032 being developed by Gideon Zweijtzer (sp?) which will incorporate some interesting features. 32 Bit and pipelining.
Thanks, then I can say he got the acronym WRONG and the WRONG subject. FPGA in terms of computers are Fied Programmable Gate Array. Don't mistake it with something similar sounding, FC-PGA (Flip Chip-Pin Grid Array) which has to do with pins. FPGA has very little to do with that except for the most pins are General Purpose I/O which means it can be used for multiple purposes and is redefinable.
Who the h~// the (uc are you. You do not know us.
65c02 not 6502. There are some differences. 6502 which is the NMOS fabricated model made by MOS Technology aka Commodore Semicondictors (CSG later used). C64 used 6510. The C-1 uses a 65c816 and the 6510 special features are cored into the FPGA (I think) Yet, the two FPGAs have to "emulate" (if you want to call it that) are the VIC-II and SID chip which are *NOT* made anymore. Jeri Ellsworth made special features known as the Super VIC and Monster SID mode on top of the classic features. These include the full enhanced sound and enhanced video modes like 1280 x 1024 resolution and 65536 colors. (More then your eyes can distinctively tell in an animated motion) Dithered imaging - hehehe lets look at 4 Billion RGB Chroma values. Hope you can tell.
Correct, for the acroymn - WRONG subject. Get into computers terminologies. Hints: It's not Fantasy Players Gaming Association. It stands for "Field Programmable Gate Array".
Guess what with FPGA - it can even be the SNES in one chip and also include all the cartridges and all the VHDL implementation of every hardware add-on included in the cartridges and added in on the fly on little Flash Cards the size of a PS2 memory card. Now we may call this the Nintendo Advance - No. Its one chip, and may use less power and still equal ther performance. You could even build your own Gameboy Advance like device with one FPGA. Have 1280 x 1024 resolution. All you need is a 300 K gate logic device. You can even use the Nios core that is built in to such FPGAs as the CPU.
Hallo, the C-One can be many things. Lets not think so outright that the C-One is strictly about "Retro-Computing". It is in ways as ultra-modern by concept that hardware can be reconfigurable. One chip that can be turned into different kinds of hardware. That is a feat that will take incredible CPU power to make as virtual machines. With FPGAs its not virtual and its not emulated. Think of an array of silicon gates that can be rewired on the fly without use of soldering gun or expensive fabrication labs. The C-One's C-64 mode and compatibility is a feat about retro but think of tha past and the future being put into one point. Futuristic hardware concepts can literally be "proven". Now we can make hardware alot like we can make software. We can make efficient hardware with the same efficient principles of efficient software programming with understanding of hardware. What about real-world prototyping. Developers will love this. In all reality, we can even be a DVD Player as well. The future of the C-One would be the use of FPGA technology and a new revolution of software that incorporates hardware add-ons on CD-ROM. Now imagine this, I have this super fancy SuperNintendo cartridge, I can now incorporate a SuperFX chip all on CD-ROM. How, it is called VHDL the revolutionary bridge between software and hardware. Our ability to reprogram the hardware via software. The ability to incorporate our very own hardware in every CD-ROM we sell. Now, we can distribute hardware in 10-15 cent CD-R disc (CD-ROM). This is some of many possibilities we can see. This is only the beginning. Reconfigurable hardware is used in even modern DVD Players and digital setop boxes and other luxeries and state of the art products.
Actually its Little Unix not Lunix because Lunix is a Linux based "hacker" OS for an Intel. It should be refered to as Little Unix or LNG.
Dude, throw in a 50 Mhz eZ80i. Dude, throw in an FPGA chip with a RISC core and clock internal clock rate to 200-250 Mhz and an external clock bus at 50 Mhz and it isn't all to bad when you don't run 50 Billion lines of Bloated Bull$h**.
Yeah, can your monitor display at 300 fps. Its a waste of clock cycles dude. You freakin' eyes can't see that waste. Why bother doing 300 fps dude. I think DVD is cool and that could be done and seen with crystal clarity at 30-60 fps, dude. The movie projector is only 30 fps. I think thats fast enough, man.
Do you understand what a gate array is. Think of it as an 30000 and a 100000 element array and the array elements have multistate relations. Its a tedious task for the CPU. Yet you need alot of chips. For $250, we can simply throw in an Altera Stratix with 1-3 Million gates. I think that there won't be the hardware technology even in 20 years. You need a Quantumn computer to get a real boost. Other than that, you'll need to have Bill Gates check book. :-)
Because its a Pentium III motherboard. There is no emulation. It is powered by Windows and why emulate. Also it doesn't use hardware that is completely dynamic. Lets take some common sense, its no brainer to emulate an Atari 400 on a Commodore 64 so whats the difference that an XBox is to a PC. That is what it is basically. Same instruction set, same basic Direct X stuff. So what the he** are you doing. Just patching Windows XP with a few XBox special software. Its essentially the same OS for crying out loud.
The C-One website has not been updated since a few weeks. Many changes have been made in the past, especially changes that make the board a lot more versatile.
First there's to mention the SD-Ram socket. The board is not limited to 32 megs of memory, but it can take any 3.3V SD-Ram up to 1GB. Video/multimedia memory is also expandable to up to 128megs with a SIMM module.
>>
Very good... Should we expand onto the features of the FPGA and some of the stuff we can do. I'll go from a message of yours. A 128 MB SIMM is to arrive.
Also let's go about a series of OSs that will be released for the C-One and some projects underway.
I figure you'll need 72.5 Terahertz to 75 Terahertz to emulate. Through in a Altera Stratix FPGA chip into the picture on an add on card and you'll need to emulate it - Especially when it would be reconfigurable too and guess what guys those can be 1 Million Gates or more. So kiss trying to emulate unless you got a 256 computer cluster with each computer having 65536 Pentium IV with the HT technology running at 3.06 Ghz. That's 16 Million CPUs. One of those will be quite expensive.
Before we start with why buy a C-One for $250 if I can buy an Intel MB for $75 and a 1 Ghz CPU and 512 MB of SD-RAM for $250~300. The C-One is not just a Commodore but a variety of computer platforms when you consider that the C-One is completely reprogrammable down to the hardware itself. The key components that makes this computer - Reconfigurable - is the two FPGA chips.
Ok, some of you will ask what is FPGA ? FPGA is an acroynm for Field Programmable Gate Array. Now what does this mean ? The FPGA is a chip that can be reprogrammed to function as different kinds of controllers/ICs/processors to meet a specific task. For more info about FPGAs, check out http://www.altera.com
The C-One is not only a c64 and many other platforms by simply reconfiguring the FPGAs and adding a CPU card (such as a Z80 CPU card) if the computer that you are trying to emulate needs something other than a 65c816. It may even be a custom platform of its own (customizable even by you).
If your concern is to buy the C-One to replace your existing PC. Then you got the wrong idea by thinking "replace". Try thinking compliment/add.
If you are truly fed up with Windows, C-One would be a fine replacement computer.
The C-One is targeted for those who want to have fun with the computer. You are open to be creative. Sure it can be used for serious use.
Think of it as a new platform that you can have part in shaping its future. Be involved and have fun. I even have some projects that I will love to work on for this machine. The ultimate point depends on how you want to do.