Absolutely. The public should have access to the data. Public grants then also need to pay for curating the data. Libraries aren't free, archives aren't free, package data in an actually useful form takes precious time, which is scientists most precious resource. Having data in a form that is useful to the 25 people in your research group is very different than providing data that can be used by thousands of people. It's analogous to the difference between the quick bash script you have that backs up your movies to your external hard drive, and having something that you're willing to distribute to 1000 people and provide support.
Sure, I'll give you the data. But I wasn't funded to put the data in a format that's easy to understand. I've also got a job, and I don't get paid to support a competitor's data analysis attempts. Good luck.
Your so-called competitors will be sure to mention your viewpoints when your funding runs out and you apply for more. Not only is your research not easy to understand and you don't let others analyze the data to attempt to reproduce your conclusions, but you think that other members in the scientific community are competitors and you feel a need to sabotage their efforts by making it difficult for them to use taxpayer-funded data to advance science. If science is such a business to you, then how about you fund it all yourself from the profits you make?
The public pays for gathering the data, the public should have access to that data. Kinda hard to find fault with that.
No, it isn't. The fault is that the data may contain sensitive information. The Army collects data about enemies, should that be free access for the public? Nope. (I'm not arguing against making university data public, but your logic is flawed)
While you're absolutely correct in your exception, this discussion is about university researchers. I thought it was a reasonable assumption that they're not collecting and researching classified data.
Funny how nacturation is against sharing when it comes to other intellectual property, but 150% behind this one.
Ah, I have a secret admirer. How long have you been following me?
Anyways, if a movie were to be made made entirely through public funds, then you ought to be able to share that movie. Are you unable to see the difference between publicly and privately funded efforts?
Now if only the same rules were applied to the fraudsters who promote evolutionism...
Responding to a troll, I know... but if you really want the data on evolution (as opposed to foaming at the mouth and making up words to make yourself feel better about the mythology you chose that tells you that faith is when you blindly believe while being unable to show any data [Hebrews 11:1, bitches]): http://talkorigins.org/
Interestingly, uucp is still seeing some use in remote areas of certain countries, where the Internet infrastructure is not built up. The idea, as I understand it, is to use uucp to copy batches of email onto a mobile system (or just a flash drive), then physically move that system to the next computer, exchanging mail and whatnot, eventually exchanging email with the broader Internet. Slow, yes, but better than nothing at all.
Reminds me of the good old BBS days and dialing up long distance at midnight to exchange email between systems. <sniff>
Hmm, a parody of tyrannical IP enforcement involving Hitler.. wherever will we find source material for that one?
What you describe is a satire of the current state of IP enforcement and while the satirical elements (subtitles) would be original, that would not be the case for the Hitler video/audio.
If you are old, you have even given up thinking or given up compassion.
Dammit son, I still have enough vision left to notice that you're on my lawn! Why I was just reminiscing with my friends about how we had it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDaSvRO9xA
So the kids are going to bring their iPad into the store/mall/whatever every damn time it parks?
No, the parents are or they can take the risk of locking it out of sight such as in the trunk. Further, the kids don't need it for short trips to the mall and can leave it at home. Do you start playing a DVD on the in-car entertainment system for 10 minute drives?
12-20 hours? What the fuck? I downloaded 12 GB in less than 12 hours, and I'm on a fairly crappy plan. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your torrent settings.
Perhaps the GP only downloads Blu-ray rips? Maybe you need to re-evaluate the criteria for foaming at the mouth, or consider that not all people can sustain over 2 Mbps of download speed through their ISP due to BitTorrent throttling or due to places where such bandwidth plans aren't available.
a) Weird Al takes a portion of the audio track and overlays his own original audio and replaces the video portion with his own original re-performance.
b) Downfall videos take the entirety of the audio track and the entirety of the video track and simply overlays subtitles. Nothing at all is an original recording. They might as well show the original unaltered Downfall clip on one side and have a second video that plays beside it showing the subtitles.
A parody should mock the original work. The Downfall subtitle videos, while amusing, fall more into the camp of a derivative work as the subtitles do not poke fun at the original movie.
It is illegal. Passwords that protect company assets are intellectual property owned by the company. They don't belong to the employee any more than a company-issued laptop does.
And if you have a really good memory for things like passwords, even if you hand them over the company can still charge you with illegal copying of corporate trade secrets and force you to go to Total Recall and have your memory wiped so that you no longer possess a copy?
what about the stay at home mom who streams Netflix and Hulu 8 hours a day, or the patent examiner who works from home and is constantly streaming c-span reruns to help with their research? There are a lot of high bandwith uses for the Internet that don't involve piracy or torrents...so why is it only torrents are being targeted?
Possibly because for every patent examiner who happens to work from home downloading c-span reruns, there are 100,000 kids downloading DVD rips of movies they want to watch.
Dear lord, gui based management of a fleet of firewalls? You want to drag and drop things and make magic happen when you do that? Sounds pretty reckless and dangerous to me. That's like saying because you can ride a bicycle, you should be allowed to drive a hazmat semi at top speed through downtown LA. If you don't understand what the rules are and how they will be applied in the first place, you are likely just going to cause problems (like accidentally shutting off your company's ability to sell their trinkets online because you locked it down on accident.)
On the flip side, just because you can operate a text editor doesn't mean you should be modifying your company's firewall either.
Ah, but then there's Black. Released at the fag end of the PlayStation 2 era and developed by Guildford-based studio Criterion, this 2006 cult classic, was a stylised, hyper-kinetic deconstruction of the FPS concept.
I take it that's what non-British speakers would call "the tail end"? Otherwise, that's a pretty gay piece of tail they're smoking.
Sorry, but that's just wrong. If they're talking about one team, then it should be "the team was" otherwise clarify it by saying "the team members were".
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Absolutely. The public should have access to the data. Public grants then also need to pay for curating the data. Libraries aren't free, archives aren't free, package data in an actually useful form takes precious time, which is scientists most precious resource. Having data in a form that is useful to the 25 people in your research group is very different than providing data that can be used by thousands of people. It's analogous to the difference between the quick bash script you have that backs up your movies to your external hard drive, and having something that you're willing to distribute to 1000 people and provide support.
Mod this guy up... definitely excellent points.
Sure, I'll give you the data. But I wasn't funded to put the data in a format that's easy to understand. I've also got a job, and I don't get paid to support a competitor's data analysis attempts. Good luck.
Your so-called competitors will be sure to mention your viewpoints when your funding runs out and you apply for more. Not only is your research not easy to understand and you don't let others analyze the data to attempt to reproduce your conclusions, but you think that other members in the scientific community are competitors and you feel a need to sabotage their efforts by making it difficult for them to use taxpayer-funded data to advance science. If science is such a business to you, then how about you fund it all yourself from the profits you make?
The public pays for gathering the data, the public should have access to that data. Kinda hard to find fault with that.
No, it isn't. The fault is that the data may contain sensitive information. The Army collects data about enemies, should that be free access for the public? Nope. (I'm not arguing against making university data public, but your logic is flawed)
While you're absolutely correct in your exception, this discussion is about university researchers. I thought it was a reasonable assumption that they're not collecting and researching classified data.
Funny how nacturation is against sharing when it comes to other intellectual property, but 150% behind this one.
Ah, I have a secret admirer. How long have you been following me?
Anyways, if a movie were to be made made entirely through public funds, then you ought to be able to share that movie. Are you unable to see the difference between publicly and privately funded efforts?
Now if only the same rules were applied to the fraudsters who promote evolutionism...
Responding to a troll, I know... but if you really want the data on evolution (as opposed to foaming at the mouth and making up words to make yourself feel better about the mythology you chose that tells you that faith is when you blindly believe while being unable to show any data [Hebrews 11:1, bitches]): http://talkorigins.org/
Interestingly, uucp is still seeing some use in remote areas of certain countries, where the Internet infrastructure is not built up. The idea, as I understand it, is to use uucp to copy batches of email onto a mobile system (or just a flash drive), then physically move that system to the next computer, exchanging mail and whatnot, eventually exchanging email with the broader Internet. Slow, yes, but better than nothing at all.
Reminds me of the good old BBS days and dialing up long distance at midnight to exchange email between systems. <sniff>
The public pays for gathering the data, the public should have access to that data. Kinda hard to find fault with that.
Hmm, a parody of tyrannical IP enforcement involving Hitler.. wherever will we find source material for that one?
What you describe is a satire of the current state of IP enforcement and while the satirical elements (subtitles) would be original, that would not be the case for the Hitler video/audio.
If you are old, you have even given up thinking or given up compassion.
Dammit son, I still have enough vision left to notice that you're on my lawn! Why I was just reminiscing with my friends about how we had it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eDaSvRO9xA
So the kids are going to bring their iPad into the store/mall/whatever every damn time it parks?
No, the parents are or they can take the risk of locking it out of sight such as in the trunk. Further, the kids don't need it for short trips to the mall and can leave it at home. Do you start playing a DVD on the in-car entertainment system for 10 minute drives?
...to steal the factory installed DVD system than they are to grab the two iPads in your back seat.
Maybe one day Apple will develop an iPad which is portable so that it can be removed from the vehicle? One can only hope!
12-20 hours? What the fuck? I downloaded 12 GB in less than 12 hours, and I'm on a fairly crappy plan. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your torrent settings.
Perhaps the GP only downloads Blu-ray rips? Maybe you need to re-evaluate the criteria for foaming at the mouth, or consider that not all people can sustain over 2 Mbps of download speed through their ISP due to BitTorrent throttling or due to places where such bandwidth plans aren't available.
Let's see:
a) Weird Al takes a portion of the audio track and overlays his own original audio and replaces the video portion with his own original re-performance.
b) Downfall videos take the entirety of the audio track and the entirety of the video track and simply overlays subtitles. Nothing at all is an original recording. They might as well show the original unaltered Downfall clip on one side and have a second video that plays beside it showing the subtitles.
A parody should mock the original work. The Downfall subtitle videos, while amusing, fall more into the camp of a derivative work as the subtitles do not poke fun at the original movie.
Meringue.
It is illegal. Passwords that protect company assets are intellectual property owned by the company. They don't belong to the employee any more than a company-issued laptop does.
And if you have a really good memory for things like passwords, even if you hand them over the company can still charge you with illegal copying of corporate trade secrets and force you to go to Total Recall and have your memory wiped so that you no longer possess a copy?
Who said anything about funny? Read it again.
Why not take it upon yourself to right that wrong?
what about the stay at home mom who streams Netflix and Hulu 8 hours a day, or the patent examiner who works from home and is constantly streaming c-span reruns to help with their research? There are a lot of high bandwith uses for the Internet that don't involve piracy or torrents...so why is it only torrents are being targeted?
Possibly because for every patent examiner who happens to work from home downloading c-span reruns, there are 100,000 kids downloading DVD rips of movies they want to watch.
I didn't know a protocol could have a CEO. :)
It must get really confusing when you start talking about the fag end of a fanny pack.
Is your first assignment to write a program that produces no output?
Dear lord, gui based management of a fleet of firewalls? You want to drag and drop things and make magic happen when you do that? Sounds pretty reckless and dangerous to me. That's like saying because you can ride a bicycle, you should be allowed to drive a hazmat semi at top speed through downtown LA. If you don't understand what the rules are and how they will be applied in the first place, you are likely just going to cause problems (like accidentally shutting off your company's ability to sell their trinkets online because you locked it down on accident.)
On the flip side, just because you can operate a text editor doesn't mean you should be modifying your company's firewall either.
Ah, but then there's Black. Released at the fag end of the PlayStation 2 era and developed by Guildford-based studio Criterion, this 2006 cult classic, was a stylised, hyper-kinetic deconstruction of the FPS concept.
I take it that's what non-British speakers would call "the tail end"? Otherwise, that's a pretty gay piece of tail they're smoking.
The team were...
Sorry, but that's just wrong. If they're talking about one team, then it should be "the team was" otherwise clarify it by saying "the team members were".
Incompetence, yes that's what you call selling 85 million+ devices running the OS.
Right... because popularity always equals competence. You must be a Britney Spears fan.