It's like the difference between surveillance in park A being used to identify people spraying graffiti AND ARRESTING THEM vs. surveillance in park B being used to identify people criticizing public officials AND ARRESTING THEM.
Have any relevant analogies to make, because that isn't one.
Why people focus on the surveillance activities as some evil greater than the actual abuses of authority
Why have you missed out on "parallel construction"? It's when the government takes information illegally gained and launders it into a successful prosecution. Which is...wait for it...abuse of authority.
Apparently they're not aware that this is trivial compared to what nature dishes out. During the Last Glacial Maximum (only ~23,000 years ago), sea level was 400 feet lower than it is today.
Apparently, zombie wingers mindlessly repeating this talking point are not aware that rapid changes in climate closely correlate with mass extinction events. And apparently think it's going to be as easy for 7 billion people to move around to adjust to said changing climate tomorrow as it was for 700 million people to do it ~23,000 years ago.
France, 75% nuclear, some of the lowest rates in Europe.
Low only by discounting the taxpayer subsidies propping up the industry. Particularly the cost of dealing with aging power plants and storing nuclear waste for centuries to come. Germany isn't going to be paying for today's solar panels in 2400, A.D. It's quite similar to how the true price of gas is far higher than $3.50 a gallon, when you look at the subsidies propping up that industry.
They're never worth engaging. Ever. Apologies won't be enough, LGBT-friendly policies won't be another, nothing will be enough once you're in their sights. Despite apologizing, despite pledging not to change Mozilla's LGBT-friendly policies, despite giving in to all of their demands, the LGBT community would not let up and forced him to resign.
Were you also clutching your pearls in the 70's, as it became less and less acceptable in polite society to be a depraved bigoted shitsack towards blacks?
NSA/GCHQ/everyone_else spying, erosion of civil liberties, widening wealth gap, ever increasing police powers, etc.
Why are you worried about police powers when the NSA is spying on the electronic communications of the entire planet? Since this is we-can-only-pay-attention-to-one-thing-at-a-time month, or something.
As much as we would all really love solar and wind to scale to a level necessary for global needs that is not going to happen with current technology. Its many decades off. Lots of science and engineering are needed to get solar there. We need something to bridge the gap between today and that future date where solar scales.
Always amusing at fans of nuclear power, which requires billions to construct plants and house hazardous waste for dozens of generations into the future, cluck about how $30,000 for solar panels or a few million for a windfarm is "impractical".
Not the cheap panels currently being imported from China, which is what many local solar contractors are switching to. These things aren't being made to the specs and designs you are assuming.
So all solar is crap then, eh? Does that mean that all nuclear power is crap because the Russians and the Japanese have managed to screw the nuclear pooch, or does it mean you get what you pay for?
It should be the same for police officers: Sure, there are times they may need to turn the camera's off, but the reason should be clear and should itself be recorded. In the absence of a justification, the camera should always run.
The problem with that is that cops are not only trained to manipulate people into agreeing to searches without warrants or interviews without lawyers, but they are free to lie to you in the process. So Detective Mackey stops by your house to ask you about xyz and assures you that you are not at all a suspect. After he talks you into turning off his camera, because you're both reasonable fellows, he beats the shit out of you after claiming you tried to hit him or shoots you after claiming you "reached for your waistband".
Your suggestion seems more appropriate for Scalia's Utopia, where cops aren't corrupt, all citizens are well versed on their rights, encounters between civilians and heavily armed law enforcement agents are on equal ground, and duress whether subtle or blatant does not exist.
What if your boss told you "I want you to wear a camera that records EVERY SECOND while you are on the clock".
Does your work grant you great power over the average citizen? In your industry, are employees known for excessive force, falsifying evidence, committing perjury in court, and murdering the occasional innocent person? Are you likely to be merely fired if you commit a crime that would send anyone else to jail for years or even decades?
Pedantry. Fascism and communism are polar opposites on both economic and political scales. Are you and Ralph Nader alike because you have the same position on the Gold Standard?
Actually I was referring to Mussolini more that the National Socialists. Progressives liked the economic system.
You mean they liked the large scale public works projects that employed thousands and a policy of full employment. If we're going to pretend that if you like A you must also like B, do you support Obama having the power to have you arrested or killed without probable cause if you thought he did a good job killing Osama Bin Laddin? If not, why not?/painfullyfacile
Climate change will be disastrous, but there is a great deal of capitalist profit to be made in the process. Does anyone think that the same bipartisan batch of politicians that spent trillions bailing out the banks (instead of prosecuting the bankers) is going to stand in the way of said profits?
Methinks you're downplaying the significance of the CIA'a actions. Jenny McCarthy has been an anti-vaxer for some time. If it was proven that a few dozen kids had contracted autism via vaccines, what would it do to the size of her following?
They are like foolish children compared to educated Westerners who didn't grow up immersed in violent fundamentalist nutjobbery. Or perhaps they're closer to mentally ill.
Lets see how sensible the Christianists are after their lives, land and countries have been fucked with for a century by Muslim Imperialism. After the state-run oil companies in Venezuela and Iran get together and overthrow the governments of the U.K. and the United States. After the Revolutionary Guard spends 15 years threatening the United States with total obliteration if it made use of a nuclear weapons program that it says does not exist. And says crippling sanctions that killed 5,000,000 kids in the U.S. (adjusted for population) was worth it.
But I don't expect that partial list to make a dent in the cognitive dissonance in all the Bill Maher's running around in the comments.
Already been done....in the freaking Paleozoic era. No comparison to the most powerful man in the world giving credence to modern conspiracy theories as to the "real" purpose of vaccination programs.
Obama has been worse than Bush in many, many ways. Democrats would have been flipping a shit over the NDAA but yawned and went back to bed when it was their guy signing it into law. Or ignored the War Powers Act and the Constitution to start a war in Libya without Congressional authorization. Or broke up OWS protests, complete with the FBI planning on using snipers on protest leaders "if necessary". Or....
Both had the choice to do the former without the later.
Who do you think you're kidding here? All the channels have been designed to shut down whisteblowing, not protect it. Going to tell the brass at the CIA that the CIA is breaking the law, under the orders of the brass? Going to tell the DOJ that the Pentagon is breaking the law, following classified legal opinions written by the DOJ? Tell the Senate Intelligence Committee that the illegal programs the Committee has voted on are illegal?
It's pretty annoying when the only two realistic candidates are the right and far right candidates.
Just because they've rigged the system doesn't mean they're the only "realistic" options. Moreso when the Democrats are pushing right-wing policies that Republicans couldn't get elected to enact.
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Have any relevant analogies to make, because that isn't one.
Why have you missed out on "parallel construction"? It's when the government takes information illegally gained and launders it into a successful prosecution. Which is...wait for it...abuse of authority.
Apparently, zombie wingers mindlessly repeating this talking point are not aware that rapid changes in climate closely correlate with mass extinction events. And apparently think it's going to be as easy for 7 billion people to move around to adjust to said changing climate tomorrow as it was for 700 million people to do it ~23,000 years ago.
Low only by discounting the taxpayer subsidies propping up the industry. Particularly the cost of dealing with aging power plants and storing nuclear waste for centuries to come. Germany isn't going to be paying for today's solar panels in 2400, A.D. It's quite similar to how the true price of gas is far higher than $3.50 a gallon, when you look at the subsidies propping up that industry.
Were you also clutching your pearls in the 70's, as it became less and less acceptable in polite society to be a depraved bigoted shitsack towards blacks?
Yours wasn't. Walk and chew bubble gum....it can be done.
Why are you worried about police powers when the NSA is spying on the electronic communications of the entire planet? Since this is we-can-only-pay-attention-to-one-thing-at-a-time month, or something.
Always amusing at fans of nuclear power, which requires billions to construct plants and house hazardous waste for dozens of generations into the future, cluck about how $30,000 for solar panels or a few million for a windfarm is "impractical".
Also mostly vaporware.
"Only" for a few centuries. Nuclear power is the most expensive power source invented by man.
So all solar is crap then, eh? Does that mean that all nuclear power is crap because the Russians and the Japanese have managed to screw the nuclear pooch, or does it mean you get what you pay for?
Drink enough water and it will kill you! So never drink any water at all!
morans....
It wasn't the defense lawyer blocking video evidence or evidence of past excessive force from the same cop - that was the judge.
The problem with that is that cops are not only trained to manipulate people into agreeing to searches without warrants or interviews without lawyers, but they are free to lie to you in the process. So Detective Mackey stops by your house to ask you about xyz and assures you that you are not at all a suspect. After he talks you into turning off his camera, because you're both reasonable fellows, he beats the shit out of you after claiming you tried to hit him or shoots you after claiming you "reached for your waistband".
Your suggestion seems more appropriate for Scalia's Utopia, where cops aren't corrupt, all citizens are well versed on their rights, encounters between civilians and heavily armed law enforcement agents are on equal ground, and duress whether subtle or blatant does not exist.
Does your work grant you great power over the average citizen? In your industry, are employees known for excessive force, falsifying evidence, committing perjury in court, and murdering the occasional innocent person? Are you likely to be merely fired if you commit a crime that would send anyone else to jail for years or even decades?
Watched cops are less abusive cops.
Pedantry. Fascism and communism are polar opposites on both economic and political scales. Are you and Ralph Nader alike because you have the same position on the Gold Standard?
You mean they liked the large scale public works projects that employed thousands and a policy of full employment. If we're going to pretend that if you like A you must also like B, do you support Obama having the power to have you arrested or killed without probable cause if you thought he did a good job killing Osama Bin Laddin? If not, why not? /painfullyfacile
Because Stalin was real big on corporations?
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power"
--Benito Mussolini
Climate change will be disastrous, but there is a great deal of capitalist profit to be made in the process. Does anyone think that the same bipartisan batch of politicians that spent trillions bailing out the banks (instead of prosecuting the bankers) is going to stand in the way of said profits?
Why don't you take an extended trip to an area with a Libertarian water supply and find out, Slick.
Methinks you're downplaying the significance of the CIA'a actions. Jenny McCarthy has been an anti-vaxer for some time. If it was proven that a few dozen kids had contracted autism via vaccines, what would it do to the size of her following?
Lets see how sensible the Christianists are after their lives, land and countries have been fucked with for a century by Muslim Imperialism. After the state-run oil companies in Venezuela and Iran get together and overthrow the governments of the U.K. and the United States. After the Revolutionary Guard spends 15 years threatening the United States with total obliteration if it made use of a nuclear weapons program that it says does not exist. And says crippling sanctions that killed 5,000,000 kids in the U.S. (adjusted for population) was worth it.
But I don't expect that partial list to make a dent in the cognitive dissonance in all the Bill Maher's running around in the comments.
Bill Maher posts on Slashdot! Who knew?
Already been done....in the freaking Paleozoic era. No comparison to the most powerful man in the world giving credence to modern conspiracy theories as to the "real" purpose of vaccination programs.
You know those are polar opposites, right?
Obama has been worse than Bush in many, many ways. Democrats would have been flipping a shit over the NDAA but yawned and went back to bed when it was their guy signing it into law. Or ignored the War Powers Act and the Constitution to start a war in Libya without Congressional authorization. Or broke up OWS protests, complete with the FBI planning on using snipers on protest leaders "if necessary". Or....
Who do you think you're kidding here? All the channels have been designed to shut down whisteblowing, not protect it. Going to tell the brass at the CIA that the CIA is breaking the law, under the orders of the brass? Going to tell the DOJ that the Pentagon is breaking the law, following classified legal opinions written by the DOJ? Tell the Senate Intelligence Committee that the illegal programs the Committee has voted on are illegal?
Just because they've rigged the system doesn't mean they're the only "realistic" options. Moreso when the Democrats are pushing right-wing policies that Republicans couldn't get elected to enact.