You start forcing people to accept injections of anything into their bodies and you lose the moral basis for that argument.
Proportion. 9 months of carrying a fetus plus 18 years of child care (unless you give the baby up for adoption) vs a 5 second needle stick and 10 hours of a sore arm. And if a woman decides to have an abortion after a condom breaks, that's not going to give her roommate the measles.
Brace Yourselves, False Equivalency is Coming. /insert Ned Stark pic here
On the left you have GMO food, and non-organics food.
Objecting to GMO food is perfectly rational, for a host of reasons: cross contamination, locking up even more food production with patents from companies like Monsanto, and lack of long-term studies of grafting octopus DNA into a carrot. Before you want to call it a day and declare GMO's safe for all time, because some scientist working on a grant from ADM tested one crop on a batch of mice for one year, consider how long it takes Asbestos exposure to result in cancer. Three or four decades is entirely common.
That's not "ZOMG this is going to be Legend 2 with Will Smith" FUD, that's saying we simply have no long term data with GMO food. And of course, if it's so safe for consumption, then why do producers fight tooth and nail for any requirements that their products be GMO labeled?
But illegally removed from office. Ukraine's constitution requires a 2/3 vote to impeach a president, but a 3/4 vote to remove him from office. 328 votes is well short of that 3/4 majority. An analogous situation would be if Republicans forced Bill Clinton out of the country if they had 60 votes to convict in the Senate - but the Constitution requires 67.
If you don't support what the protesters achieved in the Ukraine then you don't support democracy, it's as simple as that.
You're so far off-base you're off-planet, it's as simple as that. The United States has spent five biiiiiiiilion dollars propping up the pro-West faction of the country. The first thing the "interm" government did was to strip Crimea of it's autonomy while starting to crack down on ethnic Russians. Oh, and installed the founder of a neo-nazi party as head of the country's security. Like the right wing in Venezuela, they are trying to do by force what they failed to do at the ballot box.
By supporting this coup, you are opposing democracy.
Bullshit, the situations in the two countries are not even remotely comparable.
Of course they're comparable, since both protest "movements" are aimed at overthrowing democratically-elected governments.
They got rid of a completely corrupt vassal of Putin
So they can install an even more corrupt vassal of Obama, who will happily take those IMF loans with the standard requirement that the government pass crushing austerity measures?
The protesters in Ukraine have already fixed the date for a new election.
After oppressing ethnic Russians. Sort of like how Israel pretends to be a democracy, after denying occupied Palestinians the right to vote. If the elitist protestors in Thailand could just slice out the part of the electorate they don't like, they'd have elections too.
Wrong and wrong. Hunters and fishermen are the first to contribute to river/wetland protection and cleanup efforts. As far as wolves, show me one reference to hunters' hostility to wolves. Ranchers yes, hunters no.
Snort. You obviously don't live in elk country or have ever seen a documentary on wolves, where butthurt hunters compete with ranchers for hating on animals that got there first.
Ranchers in Idaho are asking the state government to help eliminate some of the state's elk population. The state is halfway through the wolf season, which was said to have been introduced to stop the wolves from attacking elk.
Elk hunters have actively encouraged thinning the wolf population. Some have established co-ops to shoulder the cost of trapping wolves that are eating the prized trophy animals. Wolf trappers are paid up to $500 per kill.
was formed by pogroms, serfdom, and conquering nations that hadn't attacked them
Irrelevant since I don't play whataboutery. Obviously, the point is that the United States has no moral high ground to criticize anyone on the planet. Obviously.
I really hope you're just trolling, but I can't rule out the possibility that you're simply an ignorant fool.
I can rule out the possibility that you're anything but a dim-witted projectionist.
Why stop there? There's plenty of Muck to rake up about pretty much any nation, go take a look at the history of England, France, Spain, Greece, Italy, France, and well damn near everyone else on the fucking planet.
Because, you fucking tool, the point here isn't to wing some game of whataboutery. The point is that no nation with the blood of a hundred million or so people on it's hands has any business throwing stones in a glass house. That the U.S. has zero moral high ground to criticize anyone on the planet.
Especially when some dipshit starts trying to act like Gitmo is anything at all like the Siberian prison systems
How stupid are you dipshit projectionists, anyway? The Soviet Union has been gone for over 20 years. Stalin has been gone for over 60. Whereas people even George W. Obama has admitted are innocent are being held in Gitmo right now.
Riiiiiiiiight. Lets say Putin has supported a far left-wing coup of the democratically elected government of Canada, after the far-leftists had lost an election. Any of you American Exceptionalists going to try and say with a straight face that the US Army wouldn't already been in Ottawa seeing to Harper's return to power?
The problem is that people have forgotten the atrocities of the Soviets.
The problem is that American Exceptionalists pretend their shit doesn't stink. You want to talk about Stalin's gulags? Great! But then lets also talk about how the United States was formed by genocide, slavery, and conquering nations that hadn't attacked us. You want to talk current events, start by explaining how Putin is in the same universe as torturing, democracy overthrowing, murdering, invading, droning, innocent-imprisoning universe as George W. Obama?
How did this get +4, Interesting? Ukraine isn't experiencing a revolution, it's experiencing a US-backed fascist coup by Neo Nazis. A coup overthrowing a democratically-elected government after the Fatherland party couldn't win at the ballot box.
This part is a replay of Syria, where a group that has been demonized by everyone are suddenly great allies worthy of U.S. support. In Syria it was Al Qaeda, and in Ukraine it's a bunch of anti-semetic Neo Nazis. But that's no problem at all if you're a neocon American Exceptionalist.
It may seem strange to you, but hunters tend to be one of the most conservation-oriented groups out there. They do care about the environment.
Only as far as it allows them to continue to shoot stuff. That river and lake system contaminated from a coal company spill? Not known for it's fishing or goose migration, so nobody cares. And that's just the apathy - there's outright hostility towards wolves, because they make it a little harder to get that trophy elk mounted in the den.
You seem to have forgotten that people have functioning brains. Next you'll be whining about why we haven't invaded Iran yet, since they forced down one of our drones flying over their airspace in an especially heinous act of war on the part of Tehran.
Oh, and I see you managed to tap down that migraine long enough to post here after all, despite the cognitive dissonance that must be weighing you down. As a proud Brownshirt yourself, no doubt you feel an overwhelming urge to support this fascist coup that overthrew a democratically-elected government.
But on the other hand, many of these people are openly anti-semitic Neo Nazis, which must necessarily conflict with your own Ziofascism. It's the unstoppable hackery vs the immovable depravity...which will win? Nevermind, I can probably guess your answer: the Ukrainian Jews all move to some nice West Bank settlement, once those troublesome Palestinian villages that have been there for hundreds of years have been properly cleansed and bulldozed to make way for subsidized condos. Then the fascists in Ukraine can turn their eliminationism to the non-Jewish Russians in the country. Two birds killed with one stone!
American Exceptionalism strikes again. How many invasions and regime changes has Russia performed over the last 10 years compared to your government? Is Putin asserting he has the right to have anyone murdered, anywhere in the world, based on his say so alone - and acting on those claims? How many military bases does Russia have around the world compared to the United States. Does Russia have special forces operating in more than half the world's countries?
Anyone with a half-functioning brain can see which country needs to have it's imperialistic wankers put in check first, and that it's not Putin.
US invaded Iraq, tried to reform the government, and eventually left.
Your post seems to have been truncated. Because you left out the million dead, the four million refugees, infrastructure bombed into the stone age, Abu Garib and other tortures, shipping innocent people off to Gitmo for 10+ years, and the use of chemical weapons (phosphorus) and depleted uranium (causing an explosion in birth defects).
And all for WMD's and ties to Al Queda that didn't exist. Whereas this fascist coup in Ukraine is really happening, and the fascists are really threatening ethnic Russians.
The non-aggression treaty was just as much serving Stalin as it was Hitler- if not more so. Stalin needed the time for the war to start and to build up his forces (not that the Russians really did well anyway, but they had even less when the pact was signed).
True. Stalin was expecting it would take Germany the better part of a year or longer to push through Western Europe, not a matter of weeks.
Even the name Nazi is an acronym for an abbreviation for the party - it's a socialist workers party.
Classifying parties via etymology instead of the positions they hold is an automatic fail.
You exaggerate (probably because you're some sort of Soviet apologist).
Your knowledge of history leaves something to be desired (probably because you're some sort of Western Imperialist apologist).
The Soviets were doomed without the help of the rest of the Allies.
Are you out of your mind? The Western Front, Africa, and the Pacific combined were a sideshow next to the Eastern Front. Western nations counted their casualties in the thousands to hundreds of thousands. Eastern Front casualties were counted in the tens of millions.
If there was no Soviet Union crushing German forces by sheer will and numbers, you could have forgotten about liberating France because Germany would have made short work out of Great Britain. Then it would only be a question of if the French and British fleets would return home, or flee to the United States in exile. But noooo, it was the Americans swooping in, suffering paper cuts in comparison, that saved the day and deserve the credit!
I'd ask about your level of self-awareness, given the fact that the U.S. and England set up all the governments in Western Europe - with copious amounts of military bases - to act as a buffer against the Soviet Union.
Let me summarize your repeated argument: The famine, caused by Stalin, that killed millions of ethnic enemies of Stalin in the Ukraine and Belarus ALSO killed millions of ethnic enemies of Stalin in Russia, therefore it's OK. Not reason for the Ukraine to fear the Russian government at all.
Let me sum up your repeated trolling: you're a tool attacking straw men. Hating Hitler means supporting or excusing Stalin on what planet? And Stalin's been dead for 60 years - but an open Nazi is head of the "interm" governments security right now.
Ergo you are on the side of Joseph Stalin. Death camps. Force labour. Expansionist military aggression. Civilian infrastructure retooled to produce a state-controlled war machine. Genocide of perceived "lesser races". Rejection of religious freedom. Restriction of travel. Secret police encouraging people to inform on their neighbours. Thought police enforcing the norm through "party membership" as a de facto prerequisite for employment.
Ergo you're a dim-witted demagogue that needs to brush up on his logical fallacies, starting with the False Dichotomy.
This isn't a revolution. It's a fascist coup from a minority that couldn't handle losing the last election, so they overthrew the democratically-elected government instead.
...in his place instead of mindlessly accepting his submissions now? Did fjord go on vacation or something?
What's going on in Ukraine isn't a revolution, it's a fascist coup overthrowing the democratically elected government because they couldn't stand losing the last election. Same as what the right wing of Venezuela is trying to do right now.
Specifically, neo-nazi fascists hating both ethnic Russians and....Jews. Maybe cold fjord's got a splitting migraine with the cognitive dissonance: he's a proud Brownshirt himself, but on the other he's also a Zionist troll, so he can't decide what to do.
But they have been told their entire life that to be successful you need a college education. Their parents push it, teachers push it, guidance counselors push it. The news pushes it, politicians push it, and eventually their own friends push it.
Don't forget conservatives. You get sneered at if you want anything better than McJob wages unless you make yourself more "marketable" by learning a valuable skill. So you take out student loans to learn a valuable skill.
But if that gamble doesn't pay off, the conservative sneers at you a second time, for taking loans you couldn't repay in the long run. It's a neat trick, which took decades to perfect....
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How about you use your brain for two seconds, or at least read the responses already in the thread, so you don't embarrass yourself. Hm?
Proportion. 9 months of carrying a fetus plus 18 years of child care (unless you give the baby up for adoption) vs a 5 second needle stick and 10 hours of a sore arm. And if a woman decides to have an abortion after a condom breaks, that's not going to give her roommate the measles.
Brace Yourselves, False Equivalency is Coming.
/insert Ned Stark pic here
Objecting to GMO food is perfectly rational, for a host of reasons: cross contamination, locking up even more food production with patents from companies like Monsanto, and lack of long-term studies of grafting octopus DNA into a carrot. Before you want to call it a day and declare GMO's safe for all time, because some scientist working on a grant from ADM tested one crop on a batch of mice for one year, consider how long it takes Asbestos exposure to result in cancer. Three or four decades is entirely common.
That's not "ZOMG this is going to be Legend 2 with Will Smith" FUD, that's saying we simply have no long term data with GMO food. And of course, if it's so safe for consumption, then why do producers fight tooth and nail for any requirements that their products be GMO labeled?
Um, yeah.
But illegally removed from office. Ukraine's constitution requires a 2/3 vote to impeach a president, but a 3/4 vote to remove him from office. 328 votes is well short of that 3/4 majority. An analogous situation would be if Republicans forced Bill Clinton out of the country if they had 60 votes to convict in the Senate - but the Constitution requires 67.
You're so far off-base you're off-planet, it's as simple as that. The United States has spent five biiiiiiiilion dollars propping up the pro-West faction of the country. The first thing the "interm" government did was to strip Crimea of it's autonomy while starting to crack down on ethnic Russians. Oh, and installed the founder of a neo-nazi party as head of the country's security. Like the right wing in Venezuela, they are trying to do by force what they failed to do at the ballot box.
By supporting this coup, you are opposing democracy.
Of course they're comparable, since both protest "movements" are aimed at overthrowing democratically-elected governments.
So they can install an even more corrupt vassal of Obama, who will happily take those IMF loans with the standard requirement that the government pass crushing austerity measures?
After oppressing ethnic Russians. Sort of like how Israel pretends to be a democracy, after denying occupied Palestinians the right to vote. If the elitist protestors in Thailand could just slice out the part of the electorate they don't like, they'd have elections too.
Snort. You obviously don't live in elk country or have ever seen a documentary on wolves, where butthurt hunters compete with ranchers for hating on animals that got there first.
Nope.
Irrelevant since I don't play whataboutery. Obviously, the point is that the United States has no moral high ground to criticize anyone on the planet. Obviously.
I can rule out the possibility that you're anything but a dim-witted projectionist.
Because, you fucking tool, the point here isn't to wing some game of whataboutery. The point is that no nation with the blood of a hundred million or so people on it's hands has any business throwing stones in a glass house. That the U.S. has zero moral high ground to criticize anyone on the planet.
How stupid are you dipshit projectionists, anyway? The Soviet Union has been gone for over 20 years. Stalin has been gone for over 60. Whereas people even George W. Obama has admitted are innocent are being held in Gitmo right now.
Riiiiiiiiight. Lets say Putin has supported a far left-wing coup of the democratically elected government of Canada, after the far-leftists had lost an election. Any of you American Exceptionalists going to try and say with a straight face that the US Army wouldn't already been in Ottawa seeing to Harper's return to power?
The problem is that American Exceptionalists pretend their shit doesn't stink. You want to talk about Stalin's gulags? Great! But then lets also talk about how the United States was formed by genocide, slavery, and conquering nations that hadn't attacked us. You want to talk current events, start by explaining how Putin is in the same universe as torturing, democracy overthrowing, murdering, invading, droning, innocent-imprisoning universe as George W. Obama?
How did this get +4, Interesting? Ukraine isn't experiencing a revolution, it's experiencing a US-backed fascist coup by Neo Nazis. A coup overthrowing a democratically-elected government after the Fatherland party couldn't win at the ballot box.
This part is a replay of Syria, where a group that has been demonized by everyone are suddenly great allies worthy of U.S. support. In Syria it was Al Qaeda, and in Ukraine it's a bunch of anti-semetic Neo Nazis. But that's no problem at all if you're a neocon American Exceptionalist.
Only as far as it allows them to continue to shoot stuff. That river and lake system contaminated from a coal company spill? Not known for it's fishing or goose migration, so nobody cares. And that's just the apathy - there's outright hostility towards wolves, because they make it a little harder to get that trophy elk mounted in the den.
You seem to forget that very Constitution makes treaties the second highest law of the land. Treaties like the U.N. Charter.
Now, you were saying?
You seem to have forgotten that people have functioning brains. Next you'll be whining about why we haven't invaded Iran yet, since they forced down one of our drones flying over their airspace in an especially heinous act of war on the part of Tehran.
Oh, and I see you managed to tap down that migraine long enough to post here after all, despite the cognitive dissonance that must be weighing you down. As a proud Brownshirt yourself, no doubt you feel an overwhelming urge to support this fascist coup that overthrew a democratically-elected government.
But on the other hand, many of these people are openly anti-semitic Neo Nazis, which must necessarily conflict with your own Ziofascism. It's the unstoppable hackery vs the immovable depravity...which will win? Nevermind, I can probably guess your answer: the Ukrainian Jews all move to some nice West Bank settlement, once those troublesome Palestinian villages that have been there for hundreds of years have been properly cleansed and bulldozed to make way for subsidized condos. Then the fascists in Ukraine can turn their eliminationism to the non-Jewish Russians in the country. Two birds killed with one stone!
American Exceptionalism strikes again. How many invasions and regime changes has Russia performed over the last 10 years compared to your government? Is Putin asserting he has the right to have anyone murdered, anywhere in the world, based on his say so alone - and acting on those claims? How many military bases does Russia have around the world compared to the United States. Does Russia have special forces operating in more than half the world's countries?
Anyone with a half-functioning brain can see which country needs to have it's imperialistic wankers put in check first, and that it's not Putin.
Your post seems to have been truncated. Because you left out the million dead, the four million refugees, infrastructure bombed into the stone age, Abu Garib and other tortures, shipping innocent people off to Gitmo for 10+ years, and the use of chemical weapons (phosphorus) and depleted uranium (causing an explosion in birth defects).
And all for WMD's and ties to Al Queda that didn't exist. Whereas this fascist coup in Ukraine is really happening, and the fascists are really threatening ethnic Russians.
True. Stalin was expecting it would take Germany the better part of a year or longer to push through Western Europe, not a matter of weeks.
Classifying parties via etymology instead of the positions they hold is an automatic fail.
Your knowledge of history leaves something to be desired (probably because you're some sort of Western Imperialist apologist).
Are you out of your mind? The Western Front, Africa, and the Pacific combined were a sideshow next to the Eastern Front. Western nations counted their casualties in the thousands to hundreds of thousands. Eastern Front casualties were counted in the tens of millions.
If there was no Soviet Union crushing German forces by sheer will and numbers, you could have forgotten about liberating France because Germany would have made short work out of Great Britain. Then it would only be a question of if the French and British fleets would return home, or flee to the United States in exile. But noooo, it was the Americans swooping in, suffering paper cuts in comparison, that saved the day and deserve the credit!
Morans.
I'd ask about your level of self-awareness, given the fact that the U.S. and England set up all the governments in Western Europe - with copious amounts of military bases - to act as a buffer against the Soviet Union.
Megol seems to be pro-Nazi or at least Fascist-admirer, to throw his judgmental crap back in his face.
Let me sum up your repeated trolling: you're a tool attacking straw men. Hating Hitler means supporting or excusing Stalin on what planet? And Stalin's been dead for 60 years - but an open Nazi is head of the "interm" governments security right now.
Ergo you're a dim-witted demagogue that needs to brush up on his logical fallacies, starting with the False Dichotomy.
This isn't a revolution. It's a fascist coup from a minority that couldn't handle losing the last election, so they overthrew the democratically-elected government instead.
...in his place instead of mindlessly accepting his submissions now? Did fjord go on vacation or something?
What's going on in Ukraine isn't a revolution, it's a fascist coup overthrowing the democratically elected government because they couldn't stand losing the last election. Same as what the right wing of Venezuela is trying to do right now.
Specifically, neo-nazi fascists hating both ethnic Russians and....Jews. Maybe cold fjord's got a splitting migraine with the cognitive dissonance: he's a proud Brownshirt himself, but on the other he's also a Zionist troll, so he can't decide what to do.
Don't forget conservatives. You get sneered at if you want anything better than McJob wages unless you make yourself more "marketable" by learning a valuable skill. So you take out student loans to learn a valuable skill.
But if that gamble doesn't pay off, the conservative sneers at you a second time, for taking loans you couldn't repay in the long run. It's a neat trick, which took decades to perfect....